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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:13 AM
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Did You Miss The New Republic's Scathing Article on Obama's Strat of Depicting Clinton a Racist?
Edited on Mon May-26-08 09:38 AM by Crisco
It would have been pretty easy to. I know I missed it, probably because I've accused them of fawning over Obama.

In mid-December 2007, one of the Clinton campaign's co-chairs in New Hampshire, Bill Shaheen, remarked entirely on his own on how the Republicans might make mischievous and damaging political use of Obama's admitted use of marijuana and cocaine during his youth.

The observation was not especially astute: Since George W. Bush, both the electorate and the press have seemed to be forgiving of a candidate's youthful substance abuse, so long as says he has reformed himself. Nor had the Clinton campaign prompted Shaheen to make his comment. But it was not a harebrained remark, given how the Republicans had once tried to exploit the cocaine addiction of Bill Clinton's brother, Roger, and even manufactured lurid falsehoods about Clinton himself as the member of a cocaine smuggling ring during his years as governor in Arkansas.

And it was not in the least a racist comment, as cocaine abuse has afflicted Americans of all colors as well as classes. Indeed, there have been persistent rumors that Bush abused cocaine as well as alcohol during his younger days--charges he addressed in the 2000 campaign by saying that when "he was young and foolish" he had done "foolish" things.

None of the reports at the time about Shaheen's miscue (and the Clinton campaign's decision to relieve him of his ceremonial duties) mentioned anything about racial overtones. Yet the Obama campaign kept stirring things up.

After being questioned for ten minutes about the drug allegation on cable television--and repeatedly denying that the national campaign had anything to do with it--Clinton campaign pollster Mark Penn mentioned the word "cocaine" (which was difficult to avoid in the context of the repeated questioning about drugs). "I think we've made clear that the issue related to cocaine use is not something that the campaign was in any way raising, and I think that's been made clear," he said.

Obama's campaign aides (as well as John Edwards's) immediately leapt on Penn and chastised him as an inflammatory demagogue for using the word that Obama himself referred to in his memoir as "blow." Since then, Obama's strategists and supporters in the press have whipped the story into a full racialist subtext, as if Shaheen and Penn were the executors of a well-plotted Clinton master plan to turn Obama into a stereotypical black street hoodlum--or, in the words of the fervently pro-Obama and anti-Clinton columnist Frank Rich of the New York Times, "ghettoized as a cocaine user."

...

(In New Hampshire) That evening, the Democratic campaign became truly tangled up in racial politics--directly and forcefully introduced by the pro-Obama forces. In order to explain away the shocking loss, Obama backers vigorously spread the claim that the so-called Bradley Effect had kicked in.


First used to account for the surprising defeat of Los Angeles mayor Tom Bradley in the California gubernatorial race in 1982, the Bradley Effect supposedly takes hold when white voters tell opinion pollsters that they plan to vote for a black candidate but instead, driven by racial fears, pull the lever for a white candidate. Senior Clinton campaign officials later told me that reporters contacted them saying that the Obama camp was pushing them very hard to spin Clinton's victory as the latest Bradley Effect result.


Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson, a cheerleading advocate for Obama, went on television to suggest the Bradley Effect explained the New Hampshire outcome, then backed off--only then to write a column, "Echoes of Tom Bradley," in which he claimed he could not be sure but that, nevertheless, "embarrassed pollsters and pundits had better be vigilant for signs that the Bradley effect, unseen in recent years, has crept back."


In fact, the Bradley Effect claims were utterly bogus, as anyone with an elementary command of voting results could tell. If the "effect" has actually occurred, Obama's final voting figures would have been substantially lower than his figures in the pre-election polls, as racially motivated voters turned away.

Later, Bill Schneider, the respected analyst on CNN, several times went through the data on air to demonstrate conclusively that there was no such Bradley Effect in New Hampshire. But even on primary night, it was clear that Obama's total--36.4%--was virtually identical to what the polls over the previous three weeks had predicted he would receive.




Remember the MLK / LBJ controversy? If you haven't read The Audacity of Hope, you're going to LOVE this:

First came the Martin Luther King-Lyndon B. Johnson controversy. Responding to early questions that he was only offering vague words of hope instead of policy substance, Obama had given a speech in New Hampshire referring to Martin Luther King, Jr. "standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial" during his "I have a dream" speech. When asked about it, Clinton replied that while, indeed, King had courageously inspired and led the civil rights movement, President Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act into law. "Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act," she said, adding that "it took a president to get it done."


The statement was, historically, non-controversial; the historian Doris Kearns Goodwin, among others, later said that Clinton "was absolutely right."


The political implication was plainly that Clinton was claiming to have more of the experience and skills required of a president than Obama did--not that King should be denigrated. But the Obama campaign and its supporters chose to pounce on the remark as the latest example of the Clinton campaign's race baiting. Representative James Clyburn of South Carolina, a black congressman--neutral in the race, but pressured by the Obama campaign arousing his constituency--felt compelled to repeat the charge that Clinton had disparaged King, and told the New York Times that "we have to be very, very careful about how we speak about that era in American politics."


Several of the Times's op-ed columnists, including Bob Herbert and Maureen Dowd as well as Rich, rushed to amplify how Hillary was playing dirty, as did the newspaper's editorial page, which disgracefully twisted her remarks into an implication that "a black man needed the help of a white man to effect change."

Clinton complained that her opponent's backers were deliberately distorting her remarks; and Obama smoothly tried to appear above the fray, as if he knew that the race-baiting charge was untrue and didn't want to level it directly, but didn't exactly want to discourage the idea either. "Senator Clinton made an unfortunate remark, an ill-advised remark, about King and Lyndon Johnson. I didn't make the statement," Obama said in a conference call with reporters. "I haven't remarked on it. And she, I think, offended some folks who felt that somehow diminished King's role in bringing about the Civil Rights Act. She is free to explain that. But the notion that somehow this is our doing is ludicrous."


Now - here's what Obama had to say about LBJ in his own book -

Ultimately Lyndon Johnson chose the right side of this battle, but as a son of the South, he understood better than most the cost involved with that choice: upon signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, he would tell aid Bill Moyers that with the stroke of the pen he had just delivered the South to the GOP for the foreseeable future.

That's right: Obama acknowledges that LBJ was aware that he was committing political suicide for himself and his party, and still did the right thing in pushing for and signing the act. The very same actions that Hillary Clinton was depicted as a racist for calling attention to. And yet, the people running his campaign, the campaign that he tells doubters they should accept as a working model of his leadership skills, were doing everything they could to push the story: "The Clintons are using racism to get to the White House."

Thanks to lwcon for pointing to the Vastleft column with the links.



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RooferDem Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:14 AM
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1. This is a very, very long post with very many words and letters.
;)
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:22 AM
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8. I concur.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:27 AM
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18. I'll Break Up the Paragraphs For You
Seriously ...
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:33 AM
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28. You need to cut it to two paragraphs or risk having the thread locked/deleted
Check the rules. It is a copyright thing.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:40 AM
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37. It's Four Paragraps Per Source
Edited on Mon May-26-08 09:41 AM by Crisco
Read the rules. It's an English thing.

And people are allowed to go one or two over, on occasion.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 01:19 PM
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103. english or English
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 12:38 PM
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97. Well some of us can read...so I think we can handle it.
Welcome to DU.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:14 AM
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2. Will you support the Democratic nominee?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:45 AM
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Damn straight I will! nt
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:17 AM
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3. He used race to divide and conquer. He did not care who he hurt in the process
And he continues to this day to use those underhanded dirty tricks. With the RFK reference, he is the one who sent it to the media. MSNBC reported it this morning.

He says one thing to the camera while playing dirty behind the scenes, which would be politics as usual from someone who is touting "change"

He must laugh at those who are falling for his lies.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:24 AM
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12. Evidence please...
you make a lot of claims as to Obama using race to divide and conquer. Do you have any links to prove any of your ridiculous claims... or is the fact that he is black, evidence enough for you?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:28 AM
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20. there you go, calling me a "Racist!"
Edited on Mon May-26-08 09:30 AM by Evergreen Emerald
Evidence? Where the hell have you been?

Read the article.

Regarding the "evidence" of Obama sending the RFK story to the media, it has been reported now both on Cnn and on MSNBC.

What is so funny about the "evidence" meme: you never require it when attacking Clinton. With no evidence at all but distortions and twists you twirl in fauxoutrage at anything and everything.

Nodding in lemming like fashion while Obama plays the same old political games and touting change. Sound familiar? Yes. We have heard it for the last eight years.

And what happened to dialogue? Be quiet or you will be accused of being a "RAcist!"
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:36 AM
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32. He just proved your point
Enough with the politics of dividing and destroying the Democratic Party and its voters.

Calling good Democrats racist has to be the worst I've seen in a long time. Rove must be loving this.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:44 AM
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43. Ohh... so you have evidence to back up the ridiculous claim of race baiting?
because with out evidence the "he is playing the race card" is just a republican way of saying: "he is black."


So, evidence if you have it. If not then stop smearing the Democratic nominee.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:45 AM
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47. So Many Ankle-Biters, So Little Time
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:40 AM
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38. Well... if you stop using white racist republican talking points..
about how a black person is playing the race card(which you don't back up) then I'll stop implying that you are a racist. You STILL haven't put forth evidence of Obama playing the race card. The RFK thing has NOTHING to do with race. Don't change the subject just because you are caught with nothing to backup your claim.

Just take the Ferraro/KKK line that Obama is only doing so well because he is black...so that I can put you rightfully on ignore.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:42 AM
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42. Deception by Obama is the point being made
and we're very opposed to any candidate who uses dirty tricks and deception against fellow Dem leaders, as well as attempting to sully the good reputation of the Democratic Party.

Good Democrats don't engage in that kind of thing.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:45 AM
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45. Maybe if you type it enough it will magically become true...
evidence please? Come on. I'm waiting.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:53 AM
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57. Its been proven many times here
and you just gave a demonstration in the thread above.

Now tell us why Obama is such a great candidate that its worth letting him trash Dem's legacy on civil rights.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:57 AM
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61. Ohh you say it's been proven many times...
well I guess I should believe you then. :sarcasm:


Proof up or shut up!


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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:16 AM
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73. Here you go
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 01:06 PM
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100. Well.. nothing on that page(at least the first 8 links or so)
shows Obama playing the race card... you want to give me a real leak...

lol the funny thing is that when you googled "obama plays the race card" the only thing that showed up with that phrase was the News Stories link... yet when I click on that link the only story was "Clinton blames sexism for failure to overtake Obama"

You really are embarrassing yourself... I ask again: Proof please? A link to a reputable (aka not Clinton hack) news story with details about Obama playing the race card. Or are you going to admit that you can't find any proof and that "the you just FEEL that the black man must be using the race card and that it's true even though you can't prove it" :eyes:
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:18 AM
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75. mckeown1128 is Barack Obama?
Holy shit! Does that make you Mike Huckabee?
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 12:59 PM
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99. shhh don't expose me ; ) nt
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 01:09 PM
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101. Then tell Hillary to stop.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:45 AM
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46. I know it is so much easier to attempt to stiffle speech than to actually have a point.
But let me try AGAIN to explain it to you:

Obama had a planned attack: use race to win in SC. The "proof" you require has been posted numerous times on this board. Timmy in one of the debates as well as GStepho. both reported that the Obama camp was sending e-mails to the media calling Clinton "RAcist!" His surrogates were on TV daily calling Clinton a "Racist!" And it worked. Despite the fact that Clinton has been a strong advocate for civil rights her career.

Both CNN and MSNBC reported yesterday and today that Obama is the one who gave the "RFK" quote to the press and continued to push it behind the scenes through e-mails while saying something different to the media.

How you can continue to support someone who is trying so hard to divide the party is beyond me.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:51 AM
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56. Stop changing the subject and post some actual damn links...
and not links to Clinton hack sites like Taylor Marsh. Claiming that the proof is around... isn't proof. I'm asking you to back up your outrageous claim.

I want proof of an Obama campaign effort (not the lone nut variety) to "play the race card" as you claim.

Stop bringing up RFK. That's a whole different subject. Stick to the subject of race and stop trying to bring RFK into this. It just shows you have NOTHING to back up your claim.


On a side note: I'm not stifling free speech I'm calling out stupid speech when I see it. You CAN type all the nonsense you want to. But, I have a right to call you out when you start making stuff up to smear the Democratic nominee.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:20 AM
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76. It was reported that Obama sent the RFK story to the media?
Are they saying he sent it to Drudge? Thanks.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:25 AM
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15. Whaaaa? Obama's Campaign Pushed the RFK Assassination Story to the Media? Oh, Say It Ain't So!
HBO has been running The Human Stain, I really need to get around to seeing that.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:30 AM
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22. ewwwww
you are ugly this morning.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:50 AM
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55. LOL ... Not That Stain
Go check us.imdb.com

:)

But I haven't showered yet, now you mention it.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:31 AM
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24. Clinton is one sorry victim of the Obama ventriloquists
Damn those clever obamistas!
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:32 AM
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25. Was Clinton's mouth moving as Obama secretively said the words?
Sounds like this Obama character is near as underhanded as Bush.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:34 AM
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30. Anything statement can be twisted and distorted and then out comes the faux outrage
Just like he did in SC...twisted and distorted everything Clinton said, then sent an e-mail to the media saying Clinton was "Racist!"

He has been using this tactic from the beginning. So much for "change."
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:37 AM
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33. You mean like "bitter?"
I don't remember your outrage then. Oh, that's right, you were PUSHING it.

:thumbsdown:
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:41 AM
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40. so, which is it Rummy? Is it ok with you to twist and distort or not?
And, I would like to point out the difference: Obama actually called people bitter.

Clinton's statment was taken out of context and turned around and made to mean something completely different than what she said.

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:10 AM
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70. And Clinton actually brought up the specter of assassination.
Evil? No. Irresponsible? Yes.

The point Obama was making was about wedge issues being used to divide the electorate, not a personal attack on voters. Not how Hillary played it, even though she knew exactly what he meant.

So she gets a dose of her own medicine and I'm supposed to be outraged? It's called poetic justice.


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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:33 AM
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87. I saw that clip dead cold - had no knowledge of it
just happened to turn on the TV and there it was. My mouth just dropped. My first thought was "She didn't really say THAT?" When I realized she had I thought "How totally fucking stupid can she be?" Whether Obama's campaign released it or not, they did not put the words in her mouth.
There are a million ways to say that things may yet change. Bringing up the spectre of assassination, especially in reference to a black man in a nation wrought with violent racial history, has to be about the worst.
The only people I saw defending her Friday night were right wingers who need the blood bath to continue inside the Democratic party. Tomorrow it will be funny to hear Limbaugh and Hannity and Reagan and Savage defending her.
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:33 AM
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27. Is there a point at which
you will stop trashing him? Is there a point at which McCain rather than Obama becomes the villain? My major criticism of Hillary at this point is her stubbornness to concede what is obvious and as a result her loyalists are left swinging blindly and making themselves look foolish in a political battle that has already ended.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #27
44. Obama's Chicago style dirty political tricks
keep him under the microscope. He's been very fortunate Clinton has waged a positive campaign. If he makes it to the GE, the GOP won't be nearly as nice or merciful.
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:35 AM
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91. "He's been very fortunate Clinton has waged a positive campaign"
What world are you living in? I have been around since Roosevelt and I have not seen a nastier primary campaign than that of Hillary Clinton. The only possible exception might be the one Bush waged against McCain in 2004. I am not a Hillary hater and I think she would probably be a good president but she took the low road when she did not need to. Obama with his superior organization and massive grass roots support took her by surprise. Instead of switching gears she and Bill out of desperation went negative. She still could have pulled this off but she got some pretty terrible advice. If she could have hung on to 30% of the black vote which I believe was possible it would have been a different story. Her campaign organization and those surrounding her such as GF and Bill have been pathetic and she deserved better.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 12:04 PM
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95. the delusional thinking in her remaining supporters is disturbing
do they really not know that she deliberately went negative? Do they not understand that the term 'kitchen sink strategy' came from her own campaign staff? Or are they just completely dishonest? I know Clinton supporters in the real world and they seem to understand that she lost the race and took her campaign deeply negative. I guess on the internets, in addition to nobody knowing that you are really a dog, the social prohibitions that tend to limit outright lunatic behavior also break down.

Senator Clinton is not delusional. She knows she has lost. Her remaining supporters should be angry at her and her manipulative behavior in keeping her campaign going. They are being played for fools by the Clinton campaign.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:00 PM
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111. 30 % dishonest, 20% delusional, 20% naive, and 30 ignorant. That's my guess.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #27
60. If you look at my posts you will see that they are not "trashing"
but in defense of Clinton.

I have noticed that you are all becoming so openly ugly and mean to anyone who disagrees with you on DU, as if you own the place, as if you are suggesting that there should only be one thought or leave.

I have not "trashed" but gave information in defense of the ugly twisted distorted posts.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:19 AM
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4. Not a surprising article. Wilentz is a huge Clinton fan.
Meaning it should be taken with a large grain of salt, just as any article about the Clintons should be were it written by a huge Obama fan.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #4
26. Its historically accurate
and it would be a shame for the Democratic party to allow one of its candidates to tarnish the party's legacy on Civil Rights to score cheap political points.

If we had real leaders in the Democratic Party, they would never allow such trashing of our party's good reputation, from civil rights to the successes of Dems in restoring economic prosperity and peace during the 1990's. No man's candidacy is worth falsely rejecting our own party's accomplishments.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:58 AM
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64. It's complete bullshit. An un-journalistic hit piece
Who are these unnamed Obama supporters and surrogate who are fanning the flames of racism? Is he incapable of giving us one name, either of the Obama person or the reporter they spoke to? Just one?

He's using the classic "some people" approach, which can be used to back up anything.

"Some people" say Hillary Clinton had Vince Foster killed.
"Some people" say the Clintons helped run drugs while they were in Arkansas
"Some people" say Hillary Clinton is having a lesbian affair with her closest aide.

See how that works?


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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #64
74. Here you go
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #74
79. Congratulations, you've finally learned to use The Google
I expect to see a fact to show up in one of your posts any day now.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #79
82. Now make your case
instead of whining.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #82
89. Me, whine? What to I look like -- a Hillary supporter?
Here's your case. Feel free to use your new Google toy to refute any of them. (Hint: a google search is not an argument)

12/10/07 Three Clinton volunteers resign after admitting to promulgating the racist "Obama is a Muslim" email

01/07/08 Hillary disses MLK and says that a white president did more to further black civil rights

01/07/08 First public mention of assassination by a Clinton surrogate

01/08/08 Bill's famous "fairy tale" rant

01/10/08 An unnamed Clinton adviser dismisses Obama as "your imaginary hip black friend".

01/10/08 Clinton surrogate Andrew Cuomo says Obama "shucks and jives".

01/13/08 Clinton surrogate Bob Johnson talks of Obama's drug use "back in the neighborhood" and compares him to Sidney Poitier in "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner"


01/13/08 Obama's first comment on their race baiting -- especially the fact that the Clintons were blaming the furore on Obama

"She made an unfortunate remark about Martin Luther King and Lyndon Johnson,” he said. “I haven't remarked on it. And she offended some folks who thought she diminished the role about King and the civil rights movement. The notion that this is our doing is ludicrous.”

And we still hadn't gotten to:

+ Bill Clinton dismisses Obama's South Carolina win by comparing him to Jesse Jackson

+ The Clinton campaign distributes a photo of Obama in "muslim garb", then sends out surrogates to call the outfit his "native clothing".

+ Clinton surrogate Ed Rendell says white voters in his state of Pennsylvania are "not ready to vote for an African-American candidate".

+ Geraldine Ferraro says that Obama is lucky he's black and implies that he wouldn't be winning if he wasn't.

+ Hillary Clinton talks about her base as "hard-working Americans, white Americans".


Since I know your next response will be "link?", here's one to a great DU article that covers some of the early offenses in greater detail: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:21 AM
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5. The same New Republic that cheered on the Iraq invasion?
I sense credibility issues......


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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #5
13. It's just facts. And truth. Something so many have long since forsworn.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:26 AM
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16. Yeah, That One
Which is largely why I missed this article when it was published.

Every now and then someone slips a little truth in under the fence.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:21 AM
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6. Sean Wilentz is a Clintonista from 'way back.
He has been an outspoken, hard-core Clinton backer (and Obama slammer) from the beginning. His writings on the subject are not exactly objective.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:47 AM
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52. Very true. But much of the op-ed writers cited here are in the tank for Obama too...
Two sides to all stories.

We've got two great candidates and the Republicans' choice is already tanking. Let's enjoy the ride!
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:22 AM
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7. You need to trim this post
You can't reproduce that much of a copyrighted article. Only a snip and a link. You have a high enough post count to know better.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:54 AM
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59. Four Paragraphs
It's been split up tremendously to make for easier online reading. People in forums seem to not like 16-line paragraphs for some reason.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:10 AM
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68. Sorry. Maybe it used to be two. nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:24 AM
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9. Wilentz is absolutely not credible. Period.
Not on this issue. Sean is a very close family friend of hilly and billy. He's dishonest by not disclosing that fact.
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Renaissance Man Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:24 AM
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10. Are you serious?
I guess it was Sen. Obama that made Hillary make the "working, hard working Americans, white Americans" comment while she was in West Virginia and Kentucky, right?

Sometimes truth is stranger than this OP (fiction).
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:59 AM
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66. Another Perfect Demonstration of Intentionally Trying to Make Clinton Look Like a Racist
That was said of the people in a state with a white population that was planning to vote for HC in overwhelming numbers.

Had she not added "white Americans," it could easily have been inferred that people in that state who were not white were not hard-working.

Had she not made the distinction, her opponent would have had an even bigger field day. But heaven forbid she slip up and use the same terms the media and marketing people use.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:24 AM
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11. Everyone's Entitled To Their Take On This
Every time I try to give The Clintons the benefit of the doubt, I picture Bill pre-South Carolina with his poorly-suppressed smirk, unleashing his Jessie Jackson crap. He knew exactly what he was doing.

The Clintons are not amateurs - they are professionals at the use of words.

The LBJ example is deeply flawed. Anyone can sign a bill. It doesn't mean that he had a substantial role in getting that bill to the point of signature. And comparing the political courage of LBJ in that incident to Mrs. Clinton - who has shown zero political courage since botching health care reform - well, it's a poor comparison.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:09 AM
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67. "Anyone Can Sign a Bill"
Wow. Just ... wow. You have no idea how instrumental he was in getting it passed into law.

Forty years ago, Johnson set out to do what he had done in 1957 and 1960 as Senate majority leader—steer a civil rights bill through a Congress controlled to a great extent by southern Democrats who so strongly opposed it. But he was no longer majority leader and could not buttonhole wavering members in the cloakroom or do horse-trading with them to get what he wanted or promise rewards or punishments.

This is the story of how Lyndon Johnson set the stage for this legislation years before and how he choreographed passage of this historic measure in 1964—a year when the civil rights movement was rapidly gaining strength and when racial unrest was playing a role in the presidential campaign.



You can read the rest here - http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2004/summer/civil-rights-act-1.html
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:25 AM
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14. Thanks for the link!
K&R.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:26 AM
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17. The Same New Republic that constantly denigrated the black underclass throughout the 1990s
While Clinton was president.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:27 AM
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19. I miss everything The Neocon Republic writes.
They went over to the dark side quite a while ago.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:29 AM
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21. K & R
The insults to Dems like LBJ who knowingly sacrificed their careers and split the party to advance the Civil Rights Act are unforgiveable and wrong.

Attempts at historical revision by Obama supporters are humorous given most of us lived during those times, read the papers and new what was going on.

As for a strategy of playing the race card (alternating, apparently, with the assassination card) is a sick, failed strategy. Democrats should NEVER allow one of their candidates to manipulate and divide voters in such a way. Its unethical, immoral and just plain wrong.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:31 AM
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23. I did miss it -- just as I miss Bill O'Reilly and Rush on a daily basis
Edited on Mon May-26-08 09:31 AM by nichomachus
It just feels right
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:33 AM
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29. Yawn........
When are you people going go quit this shit about race?
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:35 AM
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31. The New Republic=Republican lies and propaganda
What else would you expect from a Rovian tool of the Party of Evil?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:38 AM
Original message
Except for the articles where they praise Obama, eh?
:eyes:
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:58 AM
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63. No, that was a naked attempt to sow dissention among Democrats
just as this latest article is.

We have to weigh the sources and what their real goals are.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:38 AM
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34. i continue to be in awe of the genius that somehow turns being black into a political advantage
if all this is true and somehow, magically, with just a few cynical accusation, the obama campaign managed to turn centuries of racism on its head, and suddenly, being black is an ADVANTAGE instead of a DISQUALIFIER in the arena of presidential politics, ....

then i say IT'S ABOUT TIME WE HAD THIS KIND OF POLITICAL GENIUS ON OUR SIDE!!!!!

i can't WAIT to see what this team has in store for mccain!!!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #34
36. Obama only helps Obama, though
Edited on Mon May-26-08 09:39 AM by OzarkDem
He's done far more damage to the Democratic party in advancing his candidacy than the GOP could ever do.

No, we don't need him in the Democratic Party - let the GOP have him.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:46 AM
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48. that is the most nonsensical post i've seen in a long time
let the gop have the biggest fundraiser we've ever had?
let the gop have the one who's signed up more new democrats than anyone ever?

look, if hillary didn't think race and gender would come up at some point, and didn't have a strategy to handle either, she's too naive to handle presidential politics.
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Renaissance Man Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:46 AM
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50. You're a nut.
He's done damage to the Democratic party by energizing the base, by breaking records with fundraising numbers, by bringing in new voters into the party, by not slamming the "activist" base of the party, and by making the GOP shit their pants (and have them lose three Republican held seats in special elections for the House)?

Yeah, that Sen. Obama. He's done so much damage to the party.

:rofl:
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:38 AM
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35. Actually, I did
Edited on Mon May-26-08 09:39 AM by Prophet 451
I stopped reading the NR due to their coverage of the run-up to the Iraq war but I'll have a look. Got a link?

EDIT: *kicking self* I'm gonna call that one a senior moment.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:41 AM
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39. How's that war working out for the New Republic?
Who do they think they are kidding?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #39
72. If We're Going to Discredit Sources for Pimping Iraq
Josh Marshall and Talking Points Memo will have to be eliminated, as well.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #72
104. Well bloggers may be a "credited source" for you
but they are just as likely to be some guy with a computer and a lot of free time as a reliable source. Maybe I am old, but I don't hold bloggers to the same standard that I hold standard publications, and I also don't consider them a "source", only a sometimes useful tool. But hey, if you want to buy this "analysis" from a guy who is in the bad for Clinton in the Neocon Republic, be my guest. Oh by the way. She lost.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:42 AM
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41. The self-proclaimed "kitchen sink" campaign.
That is all you need to know. It's really that simple.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:46 AM
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49. There is a subtle difference between making the point Johnson knew he was
treading on thin ice (because he knew of the opposition to integration in the south?) and diminishing MLK's efforts by implying that LBJ was in the drivers seat. Indeed - MLK was the driving force in the civil rights movement at the time.

Obama simply explained said that the remarks were not his own (so how can he possibly know what she MEANT to say) and that the remarks probably (rightly so) pissed some folks off.

If anything, this more clearly demonstrates a level of (Clintons) insensitivity and lack of awareness in these matters, something one would not expect since she has spent considerable time in the deep south.


This article in the OP "appears" to be aimed at characterizing Obama as a manipulative finger pointing whiner who uses racism as a political tool - is that right? If it was meant to do anything else, it fails miserably.

Note: Italics - my own color commentary
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:47 AM
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51. The BO campaign was always as dirty as it gets
Too bad BO supporters are blind to it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #51
53. your blanket statement shows evidence of nothing in the way
of dirty campaigning from Obama. You pulled your statement out of the obvious place.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:57 AM
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62. Umm, I was referring to the OP
Edited on Mon May-26-08 09:58 AM by DemGa
I was not aware that I needed to provide links and evidence to agree.

It sounds very much that you are angry your Obama is exposed as little more than an illusionist. This is very sad indeed.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:59 AM
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65. Politics IS illusion. And calling BO supporters blind IS a blanket statement.
Edited on Mon May-26-08 10:00 AM by bluerum
On edit: caps for second occurrance of "is" and removed name calling language - sorry.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:50 AM
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54. Bringing out the Princeton Boyz
Interesting to me that Wilentz and Krugman, both Princeton profs, appear almost simultaneously to come to the damsel in distress's aid with anti-Obama pieces.

I am surprised at Wilentz's somewhat revisionist take on this recent history. Having been there to witness it first-hand (like the rest of you), I find his charges against the Obama campaign weak indeed. But, whatever: we all know by now that history is seen through particular cultural lenses, and is accompanied by all the baggage of the chronicler. Everybody's entitled to see it in their own way.

But I find it bizarre that these kinds of whining accusations keep being leveled. I don't think it helps her legacy in the end, and will make it more difficult to regain the stature she will need to move on to do what will surely be incredible things in whatever capacity she will continue to serve. She and her defenders need to start owning up to some responsibility for a campaign that got off track or was just slightly out of sync with a new political reality in the country they hadn't anticipated. That would do more to restore her credibility than any number of these Princeton-produced blame pieces.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:54 AM
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58. Written by the guy who thinks Fox News has "sophisticated reporting" and that Rove
is "very, very knowledgeable"?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0508/Sean_Wilentz_Fox_provides_campaign_coverage.html

Presidential historian Sean Wilentz—who’s also a New Republic contributing editor, Bob Dylan enthusiast, and prominent Clinton backer—talked to MarketWatch about campaign coverage.

And like many Clinton supporters these days, he didn't shower praise on CNN or MSNBC.

said the best coverage by far came from the Fox News Channel. Wilentz observed that Karl Rove, contributor to Fox News and architect of Bush's two successful presidential campaigns, among others, had sounded "very, very knowledgeable."

"What it showed is that the reporting of politics doesn't have to be bad," Wilentz said. "If you respect your audience without a partisan imperative, then you can have some sophisticated reporting."

Wilentz now joins Fox-loving Clintonites like Ed Rendell, Terry McAuliffe, and Lanny Davis.



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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #58
92. Well hot damn!
In that case I'll believe everything the author says with his "some people" sources. :rofl:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:10 AM
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69. Once again, I have to repost the crash-course in Clintonian race baiting
Of course, you probably already know these, you just "forgot" to include them in your OP.

12/10/07 Three Clinton volunteers resign after admitting to promulgating the racist "Obama is a Muslim" email

01/07/08 Hillary disses MLK and says that a white president did more to further black civil rights

01/07/08 First public mention of assassination by a Clinton surrogate

01/08/08 Bill's famous "fairy tale" rant

01/10/08 An unnamed Clinton adviser dismisses Obama as "your imaginary hip black friend".

01/10/08 Clinton surrogate Andrew Cuomo says Obama "shucks and jives".

01/13/08 Clinton surrogate Bob Johnson talks of Obama's drug use "back in the neighborhood" and compares him to Sidney Poitier in "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner"


01/13/08 Obama's first comment on their race baiting -- especially the fact that the Clintons were blaming the furore on Obama

"She made an unfortunate remark about Martin Luther King and Lyndon Johnson,” he said. “I haven't remarked on it. And she offended some folks who thought she diminished the role about King and the civil rights movement. The notion that this is our doing is ludicrous.”

And we still hadn't gotten to:

+ Bill Clinton dismisses Obama's South Carolina win by comparing him to Jesse Jackson

+ The Clinton campaign distributes a photo of Obama in "muslim garb", then sends out surrogates to call the outfit his "native clothing".

+ Clinton surrogate Ed Rendell says white voters in his state of Pennsylvania are "not ready to vote for an African-American candidate".

+ Geraldine Ferraro says that Obama is lucky he's black and implies that he wouldn't be winning if he wasn't.

+ Hillary Clinton talks about her base as "hard-working Americans, white Americans".


Since I know your next response will be "link?", here's one to a great DU article that covers some of the early offenses in greater detail: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4193768

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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #69
78. OMG! You're Still Pushing the "Fairy Tale" Bullshit?
Edited on Mon May-26-08 10:23 AM by Crisco
In response to a student's question about a misjudgment made by Mark Penn, the New York senator's pollster, who sent a memo after the Iowa caucuses that dismissed, prematurely, as it turned out, Obama's bounce in the New Hampshire polls, the former president veered off to attack Obama.

An indignant, finger-pointing Clinton said:

"But since you raised the judgment issue, let's go over this again. That is the central argument for his campaign. 'It doesn't matter that I started running for president less a year after I got to the Senate from the Illinois State Senate. I am a great speaker and a charismatic figure and I'm the only one who had the judgment to oppose this war from the beginning. Always, always, always.' "

"First it is factually not true that everybody that supported that resolution supported Bush attacking Iraq before the UN inspectors were through. Chuck Hagel was one of the co-authors of that resolution. The only Republican Senator that always opposed the war. Every day from the get-go. He authored the resolution to say that Bush could go to war only if they didn't co-operate with the inspectors and he was assured personally by Condi Rice as many of the other Senators were. So, first the case is wrong that way."

"Second, it is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, numerating the years, and never got asked one time, not once, 'Well, how could you say, that when you said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution? You said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war and you took that speech you're now running on off your website in 2004 and there's no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since?' Give me a break.

"This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen...So you can talk about Mark Penn all you want. What did you think about the Obama thing calling Hillary the Senator from Punjab? Did you like that?"


I'm guessing you didn't even read the OP or the article it links to.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #78
80. Care to refute any of the other 99% of my post?
Or do you just want to discuss the 1% for which you have a talking point prepared?
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:10 AM
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71. It's never her fault. never...
x( I suppose Obama makes Clinton say all sorts of stupid things and he's been doing it since before he was born. :rofl:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #71
83. How sad
I thought you supported the Democratic Party, but instead you choose to support a candidate who wants to tear it down.

I've always thought the party was more important than any candidate. Sorry you don't feel the same.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:54 AM
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94. Well in order to keep from tearing anyone a new one
I'll just say that I don't have any idea where that came from but no I shall not ever support a war monger who lives in the past unless I am forced to because they are the democratic nominee. There are so many things I could say about Senator Clinton that are not nice but it would just be a re-hash of all the other things that Senator Clinton's supporters deny ever happened so I'll save us both some pain and misery and end it with your words.

"you choose to support a candidate who wants to tear it down". "I've always thought the party was more important than any candidate. Sorry you don't feel the same."
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:21 AM
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77. Funny how you link to an article two months old
her campaign has also done a lot of race baiting since Feb 27

here is an article from this week

"What was once coded is now explicit. Clinton openly talks about her appeal among “working, hard working, white voters.” The implication here is that blacks are lazy, shiftless and on the welfare dole and that perhaps only half of their votes should count. But shouldn’t someone remind her that her husband dismantled welfare? Perhaps her former mentor Marian Wright Edelman should make the call."

"Coming from a Wellesley grad who just loaned her own campaign nearly $12 million, Hillary’s attempts to peg Obama as an elitist requires a degree of chutzpah that might make Alan Dershowitz tingle with envy. But when the Clintons tag Obama as an elitist, they don’t mean primarily that he is rich (which he is) but that he’s an “uppity nigger.”

snip//

"For the dull-witted, Clinton’s surrogates are sent out spell it out in capital letters. Obama used cocaine (Bob Johnson). Obama’s middle name is “Hussein” (Bob Kerrey). Obama is a master of “shuck and jive” (Andrew Cuomo). Obama is another Jesse Jackson (Bill Clinton). Obama’s story is a fairy tale (ditto). And, most recently, Geraldine Ferraro told the Los Angeles Times that Obama is a “sexist” (most black men are, right?) and she won’t vote for him if he is the nominee."

"To sum up: Obama is a drug abuser, a huckster, a secret Muslim, a con artist and a misogynist. And that’s without dragging Jeremiah Wright into the scenario."

http://counterpunch.org/stclair05212008.html
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #77
85. Even Funnier How So Many of the False "She's a racist!" Attacks It Debunks Get Trotted Out
Edited on Mon May-26-08 10:29 AM by Crisco
As substitute for a rational, credible response.
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #85
88. actually it hasn't there not false
and your source is from one of her ardent supporters, the source I have is not an Obama supporter

plus has a lot happened since Feb. 27, hasn't it?

her constantly bringing up wright, her hard working class white voters, Geraldine Ferraro
you have an out of date article from a Hillary hack, good work
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:25 AM
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81. Quick get this to Montana ASAP!
Seriously? What is the point. Even if all of this is true, it doesn't matter. Obama won. He is going to be the nominee.
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Duder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:27 AM
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84. Mahatma Gandhi...
"He ran a gas station down in St. Louis."
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:30 AM
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86. If so, she has really made his work easy for him by acting the part.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:51 AM
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90. Are you a jr. high student or what? How many times does a story have to be debunked?
Edited on Mon May-26-08 10:53 AM by grantcart
This was a major story at that time and it left Wilentz reputation in tatters.

It exposed him as an academecian so desperate to help the Clinton's get their reputation back and his career into the State Department that he would seriously distort the record.

Here are some of the threads that we had at DU
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5314720&mesg_id=5314720
Now that uber-racist and Clinton partisan Sean Wilentz is being relaunched as a World Famous Historian, it might be instructive to see how his fellow New Republic hacks assess two of his TNR articles, including his infamous "Race Man" article of Feb. 27:

1. Wilentz's first article: "The Delusional Style in American Punditry"
by Sean Wilentz, TNR, Post Date Wednesday, December 19, 2007:

Forget experience: Opinion-slingers are mooning over Barack Obama's instincts. Don't they remember how badly that worked out last time? Every now and then in American politics, normally balanced people get swept up by delusions of greatness about a presidential candidate, based on an emotional attachment to the candidate's oratory or image.

link: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=1f22d28c-ced2...


2. Cass Sunstein's denunciation: "A Mere Smear: Sean Wilentz's unfair attack on Barack Obama and his supporters"
by Cass R. Sunstein, TNR, Post Date Thursday, December 27, 2007:

Wilentz does deserve considerable credit--this is one impressive smear. Saying nothing about Obama's career or positions, Wilentz announces that there is a "delusional style" in American political punditry, typified by support for inexperienced, unqualified candidates on the basis of the delusional belief that those candidates have good "instincts." In Wilentz' view, the presidential candidacy of George W. Bush was merely the latest beneficiary of the delusional style.

link: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=129d0545-4db1...
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3. Wilentz's notorious "Race Man" article: "Race Man: How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton"
by Sean Wilentz, TNR, Post Date Wednesday, February 27, 2008:

After several weeks of swooning, news reports are finally being filed about the gap between Senator Barack Obama's promises of a pure, soul-cleansing "new" politics and the calculated, deeply dishonest conduct of his actually-existing campaign. But it remains to be seen whether the latest ploy by the Obama camp--over allegations about the circulation of a photograph of Obama in ceremonial Somali dress--will be exposed by the press as the manipulative illusion that it is.

link: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2...


4. Jason Zengerle's rebuttal: "Did Obama Play the Race Card?"
by Jason Zengerle, TNR, 27.02.2008:

Over on the home page, you can find Sean Wilentz's long brief trying to make the case that Obama has played the race card in his campaign--by accusing the Clintons of playing the race card. Or, as Wilentz puts it, by "deliberately, falsely, and successfully portray Clinton and her campaign as unscrupulous race-baiters." I'm unconvinced. To see why, let's take one of Wilentz's examples:

link: http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/0...
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5317144&mesg_id=5317144

For those in love with Wilentz's credentials and writings: he has taken a beating from his fellow historians not because of his support for Clinton, but because he throws out historical methods in the process of making assertions that don't pass the blush test.

Wilentz jumps the shark

I'd spend time refuting Wilentz point for point if I thought he was trying to make a reasonable case here. But he spends most of the article just shrieking "race baiter race baiter race baiter!", punctuated with occasional whiny, Clintonesque accusations of pro-Obama media bias. (One of the many targets of Wilentz's wrath, Frank Rich, has recently pointed out the problems with that line of argument.) But, in general terms, in order to buy what Wilentz is selling here, you'd have to believe all of the following:

# That there'd be no conceivable political advantage whatsoever for the Clinton campaign to paint Barack Obama as solely "the black candidate" ("It has never been satisfactorily explained why the pro-Clinton camp would want to racialize the primary and caucus campaign.") Hmm. Anyone have a theory on this? Dick Morris? Hitch? I can't for the life of me imagine how such a tack might've helped the Clintons, here in our post-racial America.
# That there were no racial overtones whatsoever to Billy Shaheen and Mark Penn et al, just sorta accidentally invoking drug hysteria, even once the campaign got explicitly Willie Horton with it and called Obama weak on mandatory minimums.
# That, similarly, there were no racial overtones whatsoever to Bill Clinton comparing Obama's huge Carolina victory to that of Jesse Jackson, something that bothered even ostensibly neutral observers such as Josh Marshall and Glenn Greenwald.
# That people (such as myself) who at first wondered in shock if a Bradley effect had anything to do with the fifteen-point New Hampshire turnaround were actually operating on orders from the Obama campaign.
# That African-Americans unaffiliated with the Obama campaign such as Jim Clyburn and Donna Brazile, among countless others, who took umbrage at the dismissive tone of the LBJ/fairy tale remarks (which I've said were not racist, just tone-deaf) were also "deep undercover," at the sinister behest of Obama's race-baiting shock troops.
# That the Clinton campaign has been the unfairly aggrieved party throughout this election cycle, and would never dream of indulging in "outrageously deceptive advertisements."
# That rather than trying to defuse racial controversies as they've emerged during the race, Sen. Obama has personally sought to exploit them for nefarious purposes.
# That Clinton staffers just innocuously sent out the Somaligate photo to Drudge, having no earthly idea at all that it might play to the whispering campaign about Sen. Obama's religion. I mean, who woulda thunk it?


Obama in the valley of insinuations and lies

Scholars uphold equivalent standards, but in today's New Republic, the Princeton historian Sean Wilentz shows us only the arrogance and opportunism of a man who'd hoped to be the Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. of a Hillary Clinton Administration. Here, Wilentz treats one of his forays into journalism as slumming to help his side and mess up Barack Obama's effort by spinning charges that Wilentz doesn't trouble to substantiate with interviews or research of his own.

Wilentz plunges Obama into a hall of mirrors and insinuations by stringing others' reports to accuse him of accusing the Clintons of accusing him of calling them race-baiters. Got that? I get it, having written a lot about racial politics for The New Republic myself, not to mention for the New York Daily News, where I had many black readers. ...

Obama is shrewd, and no doubt he's not pure; but if Wilentz has something to show us, let him show it, not pass off his speculations as charges sanctioned by the judgment of history.


Taylor, Wilentz and Race

Wilentz also goes out of his way to defend Bill Clinton’s performance in the South Carolina primary. Wilentz’s long article doesn’t mention Clinton’s pre-primary statement that “as far as I can tell, neither Senator Obama nor Hillary have lost votes because of their race or gender. They are getting votes, to be sure, because of their race or gender—that’s why people tell me Hillary doesn't have a chance of winning here.” (By that standard, of course, it would have been hard for Obama to have won anywhere, since women have been a majority in every Democratic primary thus far.) And the Princeton historian pooh-poohs the former President’s post-primary linkage of Obama’s performance with Jesse Jackson’s two victories in the state.

In this respect, Wilentz appears to be more royalist than the king: even most in the Clinton campaign have conceded the harm caused by Bill Clinton’s attacks on Obama.

Portraying Obama as a race-baiter, I fear, will be no more successful than any of the other “kitchen sink” attacks from Clinton supporters in recent days.


Cass Sustein

Is Wilentz actually trying to make a claim about American history? Or about American journalism? Sure, American political commentary has had its fair share of delusions, but the idea of a general "delusional style" is much too vague and abstract to be illuminating. There is no such "style" in American politics. (Wilentz is playing here on Richard Hofstader's illuminating, substantive, and influential 1964 essay, "The Paranoid Style in American Politics.")


Is Sean Wilentz playing history or politics?

That said, is the Obama team's referencing of Kennedy and Lincoln (as well as the Reagan years) really to be characterized as "absurd"? In fact, couldn't one argue that Wilentz himself is necessarily engaged in the same "misuse of history" that he directs at the Obama team as a result of his public statement of support for Clinton? Wilentz is treading on slippery ground here depending on how he wishes to be identified by his readers. In my own case I find it close to impossible to identify Wilentz as a historian rather than as a Clinton partisan. Wilentz's criticisms must be understood as a reflection of his support for Clinton rather than as a commentary on how to properly interpret the past. In other words, there is no fact of the matter in these comparative claims or to put it another way, Wilentz is far from carving the past at its joints. ...


Obamarama part II

Sean defends Hillary’s self-serving correlation of LBJ and MLK—as King the movement leader needed Johnson the politician to inscribe civil rights in law, so Obama the orator needs Clinton the bureaucrat to achieve the Democratic agenda—by getting all historical on us. Now, Sean Wilentz is a distinguished historian, no doubt about it. But he leaves out a lot of what he learned in doing the research for The Rise of American Democracy (2006), a brilliant book that is as wide as my kitchen (I am able to use it as a barrier against dog forays into cat territory).

Sean wants us to know that this is serious business: “So—let us look very, very carefully at the historical record.” But he works backward, as it were, from the 20th to the 19th century. “Her point was simple,” he begins: “Although great social changes require social movements that create hope and force crises , elected officials, presidents above all, are also required in order to turn these hopes into laws. . . .Clinton was also rebutting Obama’s simplistic assertion that ‘hope’ won the American Revolution, the abolition of slavery, and the end of Jim Crow.”

Without any transition, with only a paragraph break, Sean leaps into the 19th century, using a rhetorical frame that suggests any disagreement with him must be nearly demented: “The historical record is crystal clear about this, and no responsible historian seriously contests it.” Uh oh.

“Without Frederick Douglass and the abolitionists, black and white (not to mention restive slaves), there would have been no agitation to end slavery, even after the Civil War began. But without Douglass’s ally in the White House, the sympathetic, deeply anti-slavery but highly pragmatic Abraham Lincoln, there could not have been an Emancipation Proclamation or a Thirteenth Amendment. Likewise, without King and his movement, there would have been no civil rights revolution. But without the Texas liberal and wheeler-dealer Lyndon Johnson, . . .there would have been no Civil Rights Act of 1964 or Voting Rights Act of 1965.”

And then the subtext of fierce, unfinished debates about the Sixties resurfaces: “Behind this argument over Clinton’s comments lies a false, mythic view of the 1960s in which the civil rights movement supposedly pushed Johnson and the Democrats to support civil rights against their own will.”

False? Mythic? Not just debatable? Do you mean to tell me that Southern Democrats were signing on to the civil rights revolution between, say, 1963 and 1968, when Black Power superseded integration as the agenda of African-American emancipation? Do you mean to tell me that Johnson didn’t know his party and his region would be held ransom for at least a generation by a so-called Southern Strategy that enfranchised Republicans like Jesse Helms? Please. The corrosive divisions that dominated the Democratic Party’s nominating conventions of 1964 and 1968—not to mention George Wallace’s successes in the 1968 primaries—are good indexes of how conflicted the party was on civil rights and its ideological corollaries.

As Obama said on Monday, MLK Day, “change does not happen from the top down.” You would think that Sean Wilentz, who made his bones as a labor historian in Chants Democratic, that prize-winning book of 1984, understands this essential premise of the new social history, which, as David Thelen points out, is now the essential premise of Obama’s campaign. It seems not. Sean would prefer to let the wonkette get ‘er done—because she knows what’s best for us, because she suffers not from false consciousness.


ETA:
http://alterdestiny.blogspot.com/2008/01/sean-wilentz-g... "Sean Wilentz: Good Historian, Political Hack
It's clear that Wilentz wants to be the Clinton's Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., a historian in service of the nation's most powerful Democratic family.

That's fine and all. But don't bend your historical interpretations and make dubious assertions to do so. That's what Wilentz does in his Los Angeles Times op-ed. Wilentz attacks Obama for comparing himself to Lincoln and Kennedy, saying that Obama is wrong in claiming that they didn't have tons of experience before becoming president. Wilentz is just not right about this. In fact, Lincoln's experience matches up quite reasonably with Obama's, for whatever that is worth. Wilentz is also wrong, like the Clintons, in discussing Obama's claim that under Reagan, the Republicans were the party of ideas. Obama is, of course, exactly right. Clinton attacked him for saying this, accusing him saying they were good ideas. Obama never did that. Yet Wilentz reinforces that bogus argument.



Now here are just the threads that covered this article on DU


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=351653&mesg_id=351661

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/?az=archives&j=1485&page=3

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=printer_friendly&forum=334&topic_id=11309

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3733617&mesg_id=3736274



You can also read the 801 comments left at the end of the article and 90% of them ripped this article big time.

The whole episode ruined Wilentz's reputation.


Yours on the other hand remains the same - somebody that will cut and paste any garbage without googling it or searching the DU archives. What's next the startling expose of Wright videos? Obama's a muslim? Rezko?

You simply have no scruples or ethics and will cut and paste anything as new without any consideration that it has been dismissed by Wilentz' peers and sychopantic toadism.

edited to add a link
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 12:05 PM
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96. grantcart,
You....so....totally....rock! Love Ya!!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:24 PM
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109. thanks------ i thought i was having an acid flash back
i saw the feburary date and thought--this was discussed then...this old hippie sometimes have problems remembering my name........:rofl:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:48 AM
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93. Nice job of bolding and italicizing. Blaming Obama for racism in
this campaign is just another shitty little campaign trick Hillary uses because she doesn't have a clue as to how to win an election on the up and up.

Fail.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 01:17 PM
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102. Hey, Thanks!
Edited on Mon May-26-08 01:18 PM by Crisco
For the compliment. I put a lot of thought into that and really appreciate your noticing it.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 12:40 PM
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98. God, the Repubs love her!!!
She's a goddess to them. All hail Hillary, queen of the right wing Repub assholes!
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:51 PM
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105. New Hampshire polls predicted a large win by Obama
I stopped reading the article (and the thread, sorry) after this blatant bullshit:

from the OP:
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Later, Bill Schneider, the respected analyst on CNN, several times went through the data on air to demonstrate conclusively that there was no such Bradley Effect in New Hampshire. But even on primary night, it was clear that Obama's total--36.4%--was virtually identical to what the polls over the previous three weeks had predicted he would receive.
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Look at RCP, polls predicted, on average, an 8.3% win by Obama, versus a counted 2.6% win by Hillary.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_primary-194.html

The annoying thing about HC, and her 'supporters' is they have been trying to outspin the neocons, rather than speaking out against all the freaking spinning.

The article, like the New Republic, stinks of bovine excrement.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:18 PM
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106. Feb 27th 2008 ? anything more recent ?
this horse was beaten to death in feburay...but you are free to dig up the bones and beat on them if it makes you happy.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:20 PM
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107. lol Wilentz is an old friend of the Clintons and therefore is completely bias.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:20 PM
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108. dupe
Edited on Mon May-26-08 09:21 PM by anonymous171
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:50 PM
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110. I think the author is smoking crack.
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