***LIZ TROTTA CALLS FOR OBAMA'S ASSASSINATION: PRECEDENT FOR SENDING HER TO JAIL?***

[Barrymores Ghost]

Keep this alive, folks: Kick & Rec this Thread!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjYpkvcmog0

She made use of the MSM to advocate for the assassination of a presidential candidate. In my book, that constitutes a threat to a "major candidate to the Office of President of the United States."

Under The United States Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter XIV, Section 879:

(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully threatens to kill, kidnap, or inflict bodily harm upon—
(1) a former President or a member of the immediate family of a former President;
(2) a member of the immediate family of the President, the President-elect, the Vice President, or the Vice President-elect;
(3) a major candidate for the office of President or Vice President, or a member of the immediate family of such candidate; or
(4) a person protected by the Secret Service under section 3056 (a)(6);
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

(b) As used in this section—
(1) the term “immediate family” means—
(A) with respect to subsection (a)(1) of this section, the wife of a former President during his lifetime, the widow of a former President until her death or remarriage, and minor children of a former President until they reach sixteen years of age; and
(B) with respect to subsection (a)(2) and (a)(3) of this section, a person to whom the President, President-elect, Vice President, Vice President-elect, or major candidate for the office of President or Vice President—
(i) is related by blood, marriage, or adoption; or
(ii) stands in loco parentis;
(2) the term “major candidate for the office of President or Vice President” means a candidate referred to in subsection (a)(7) of section 3056 of this title; and
(3) the terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” have the meanings given those terms in section 871 (b) of this title.

[libnnc]

1. Kick

DUers have been questioned by the SS for less than what she said.

:kick:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

266. *Speak up - Complain about Trotta - see below:

Speak up - Complain about Trotta

On Fox News this weekend contributor Liz Trotta openly and laughingly wished for the assassination of US Sen. Barack Obama.

In discussing Hillary’s Friday remarks referencing the assassination of RFK in June Trotta says

And now we have what, uh, some are reading as a suggestion that somebody knock off Osama, um uh, Obama, well both if we could (laughs)

How is this in any way acceptable in our country?
These are OUR airwaves, being used to encourage the murder of a high ranking member of the US Government and a presidential front runner.

Report her comment to the FCC

File a complaint with the FCC. You can go to the form for a general media complaint here.

It is a brief form and will only take a minute or two to fill out.

Complain to Fox Noise

Also please make a complaint to Fox News here

There is an email feature there and also a text box to enter news tips,
their phone number is 1-888-369-4762.

Ms. Trotta is also an author.

What comments will find their way to her book reviews at sites like Amazon.com, BarnesandNoble.com, etc. ?

Here is a link to her writings at Amazon.

Here is a link to her writings at Barnes and Noble.

[George II]

276. Trotta is the ULTIMATE media whore....

She's been bouncing around on NYC television stations for years, fitting that she wound up on Faux News, hopefully one of the last stops as her career spirals down to oblivion.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

285. Corrected FCC FORM LINK HERE

my apologies. The other link is bad

Here is working link to fill out FCC complaint form.

https://esupport.fcc.gov/sform2000/formE!input.action

[Barrymores Ghost]

295. Thanks! n/t

[patrice]

299. What is the name of that guy with LT and what is his show called, please and thanks very much. nt

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

Liz Trotta made the comment on Eric Shawn's show, "Fox News on Sunday"

The show Trotta did the dirty deed. (She has "apologized" since on a different show)

Fox News Contributor Apologizes for Joking About Bumping Off Obama

By E&P Staff May 25, 2008

Appearing on Fox News on Sunday, Liz Trotta, a former editor with the Washington Times and reporter for the Chicago Tribune and Newsday, was asked by the host, Eric Shawn, about the Clinton controversy and the 2008 race. This led Trotta to refer to the Clinton misstep.

Trotta, according to video, replied, "And now we have what some are reading as a suggestion that somebody knock off Osama, uh Obama. Well, both, if we could." She laughed.

...This morning, Trotta appeared on Fox News with Bill Hemmer and offered an apology, while also suggesting her remark was nothing particularly unusual this year.

Here's the apology video

She said, " Oh yes, I am so sorry about what happened yesterday and the lame attempt at humor. I really just fell all over myself, making it appear that I wished Barack Obama harm or any other candidate, for that matter, and I sincerely regret it and apologize to anybody I have offended. It is a very colorful political season, and many of us are making mistakes and saying things we wish we had not said."

Bill Hemmer hosts the Fox News show "America's Newsroom"

[patrice]

308. Thanks! I got the time and everything for the FCC off of the video, but I wanted Shawn's name and

all for complaint to Fox itself.

[patrice]

304. Done. Thanks for the links! nt

[11Bush]

311. A Minor Point

Just for the record FNC is a cable channel and doesn't use "our" airways.

[BlooInBloo]

2. And the people who set the assassination-talk-friendly environment...

can fucking go to hell with Trotta.

[PoliticalAmazon]

256. Hillary's assassination strategy was a turning point for me...

and now that we see her supporters on Fox repeating the strategy, I think we only have one option for dealing with the mentally unstable Hillary and Bill, and their supporters:

We need to collectively turn and face them and then back slowly from the room, slamming and locking the door after us.

They can no longer discern right from wrong, truth from lies, acceptable from unacceptable, heinous from glorious.

AND they may very well be dangerous.

[papau]

270. Nonsense - JFK's son said Obama is smearing/lying to claim it was more than ref to June

[Name removed]

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[Politicalboi]

292. Is that from the grave?

And if it wasn't more than the reference to June how come she didn't stop at her husbands primary. But we find that to be a lie too. He was the nominee by March of 92. All these lies and you still support her. And besides Obama wants to let it go, not to smear Hillary.

[grasswire]

278. you always were an authoritarian alarmist...

...even back on AOL FSZ.

[nxylas]

3. She didn't threaten to kill him, though

She just wished someone else would. What does the law say about that?

[Barrymores Ghost]

7. "Both, if WE could..."

...can certainly be construed as "{she} and others would be willing to make the effort."

[Clovis Sangrail]

42. that's bullshit

I wouldn't want her to get busted for that anymore than I liked seeing the drunk idiot go to jail for the burning bush joke.

jeeesh.. freedom of speech ?

[Barrymores Ghost]

50. Public advocation of assassination is freedom of speech?

You, Clovis, are a fucking tool.

[DS1]

55. Seconded

[DerekJ]

59. "Thirded"

[me b zola]

74. Fourthed

:mad:

[BlooInBloo]

79. 5thed

[papapi]

87. 6edth

[FlyingSquirrel]

97. 7thed

[SeattleGirl]

113. 8th

[The Doctor.]

149. Ohferfuck'ssake 9TH'D!

Can't tell the difference between 'I wish we could kill him' and an indirect reference to a burning Bush?

Clovis, please... don't defend this.

Next you'll be saying that Randi Rhodes threatened to shoot Bush.

[madrchsod]

151. 10th

absolute bullshit....ever threaten any government official? i have and it`s not something i`d ever do again. the feds do`t fuck around..

try typing what was said on any website..you`ll get a call from the feds

[quantass]

174. XI'th it

[Divine Discontent]

177. twelfth in agreement - you cannot approve of her speech as being legal

imagine if every day Faux News said the same thing over and over about Obama.... does this Clovis guy actually think that would legal for them to keep saying "kill 'em both, if (which) we could"?????

It's the major candidate from the Democratic Party for office, and it must be stopped - they have to be fined for this and she needs questioned.

[SeattleGirl]

182. Absolutely.

And for anyone, ANYONE, who thinks this is okay, let me tell you something.

I would find this kind of shit just as offensive if it were directed at Clinton or McCain.

Some lines ought not to be crossed.

THIS is definitely one of them.

I hope the Secret Service grills the fucking shit out of this woman.

[Clovis Sangrail]

215. do you hope they 'grill the fucking shit' out of her even if she didn't commit a crime?

what if somebody hasn't committed a crime but has called a public officials wife a whore..
Would it be OK for that public official to have the person picked up and grilled?
What will we use as the yardstick to measure what's offensive enough to warrant turning loose the dogs on somebody?

or would that be harassment ?

[SeattleGirl]

268. Strawman argument.

There is a real difference between calling for the assassination of a presidential candidate (and sitting senator), and calling his wife a whore.

I'm not saying that calling the wife a name is okay, but it is not criminal. Calling for assassination, even in a "joking" way, is.

[Clovis Sangrail]

291. it's illegal no matter what?

so I guess the movie that just came out about the killing of the president was illegal...
do we lock up everybody or does the crew get cut loose for just doing their jobs?

;)

[SeattleGirl]

321. You are still doing it.

So I'll leave you to your business.

[Barrymores Ghost]

325. I've watched "Death of a President"...

...and, in fact, it in no way advocates for assassination, nor does it portray the end result of such a scenario in a positive light.

But you go ahead and keep grasping for whatever straws you can reach, if it makes you feel good.

[Clovis Sangrail]

339. not surprising

that the point of that sailed right over your head.

[grantcart]

334. are we talking about water boarding or just Law and Order bad cop good cop?

[helderheid]

221. thank you - you speak for me.

[yardwork]

237. I agree - anybody should be appalled by this, no matter who is being targeted.

This is not ok. I would feel the same way if somebody said this about George W. Bush - which, by the way, has never happened. That alone should be an indication of how unacceptable this is.

[Divine Discontent]

283. love her forced apology today... "clarification noted" the faux news guy ends with! barf... eom

[Clovis Sangrail]

211. this Clovis guy thinks you and other are acting like rabid sheep

and having 12 or 2000 idiots agree with something doesn't make it right.

I don't approve of what she said and I never said I did.
I also think what she did clearly doesn't violate the law posted by the OP because it wasn't a threat.


There are many here, however, who feel that she should face some sort of criminal punishment anyways.
Believing somebody should be convicted of a crime because they offended you, or the state, or the ruling party, is about the most UN-democratic and UN-patriotic thing you can do.

I realize most of the people blowing air about this won't get it in the slightest, but this is really pretty similar to people think torture is OK as long as we're doing it 'against terrorists'.
...sacrificing our rights at the alter of some political holy cow for an illusory sense of control.

[WhiteTara]

214. advocating assassination is hate speech

and is not protected under the 1st amendment. Clovis guy...early humanoid with the sloped forehead? Sounds right

[Clovis Sangrail]

217. oh... now she 'advocated' assasination

that's pretty cool... you get to hear what you want

does it work that way when you need money too?

[QueenOfCalifornia]

250. !!!

Your argument is irrational.

[Clovis Sangrail]

257. like I said... I think a lot of people here won't get it /nt

[QueenOfCalifornia]

260. I "get it."

I think the woman is a total POS for saying what she said.

If I went on TV and did the same thing but replaced McCain for McVeigh and suggested it was hunting season - I would be charged with a crime.

I guarantee it.

I know someone who was hauled into the FBI office here and had his cell phone and computer seized just for alluding to something that was about the same threat level - he said it on a radio program here. The Secret Service and FBI contacted him in less than 30 minutes. My phone numbers, home address and email address were on his computer and cell.

I think YOU have painted yourself into a corner and instead of weighing any of the many arguments against you, you are on the defense and will not back down no matter how irrational you get.

I understand your initial post in this thread. I know you probably watched the same video I watched and thought the OP went a bit overboard with the ALL CAPS and citing law - BUT even though I felt the OP was a bit over the top, I had to come to the conclusion that this was a terrible thing for some twit on TV to say.

Instead of running 'round in circles here I would kindly suggest that you stop making it worse and retreat.

[Clovis Sangrail]

262. LOL

I have nothing to retreat from.
I never suggested Liz's comment weren't repugnant; I said she hadn't committed a crime.

nice try though...;)

[QueenOfCalifornia]

265. You have said

many things beyond that in this thread.

Her freedom of speech does not include placing a bulls-eye on a presidential candidate.

I don't think you "get it." :D

[Clovis Sangrail]

297. well then pick something I've said and debate it

if you just go for the amorphous "things you've said" I'll assume you can't actually make an argument

[Barrymores Ghost]

310. Many already have. You've responded with emoticons.

Rock on, Clovis. Rock on.

[Clovis Sangrail]

331. other people I respond to... you get emoticons :P

:) :-) x( :-( :( ;-) ;) :o :D }( ;( :P :9 :* :* :+ :7 B-) O8) :evilfrown: :evilgrin: :hippie:

but you don't get all of them... I think your head would pop and I don't want to do that to you. ;)

[Divine Discontent]

282. saying they should kill 'em both clearly includes a candidate for office - you're not listening eom

[Veilex]

286. In this case, your wrong....

Suggesting that someone in office should be assassinated is illegal. Joking that someone in office should be assassinated is illegal. Even hinting or inferring that someone in office should be assassinated is illegal.

Your personal opinion is irrelevant in this regard.

Talk with regard to ending someone else's life is not merely an insult. Insults you can shrug off to no or little effect. The suggesting that someone end another person's life is akin to conspiracy to commit murder and is of course illegal...and potentially permanent.

[Clovis Sangrail]

296. ah....

so should we start locking up all the little kids that say "I'm gonna kill you" ?
Threatening to take somebody's life "isn't merely an insult"... right?

[liberalcanuck]

303. Let's not forget she's an adult on the god damned tee vee. She's in a much more

influential position speaking to the tards who watch Fox - in other words the morans that are most likely to follow up on her "wish". That's a lot different than immature children threatening each other.

[Clovis Sangrail]

305. it was stated that a threat of murder was a threat of murder

I agree that there is a vast gulf between a child on the playground and somebody holding a knife to your throat.... so where is the line drawn?
I would think that would be the law... which clearly differentiates between real threats and somebody who is less than serious.

[calimary]

306. Thirteenth.

If this were voiced against a sitting president, the Secret Service, FBI, and other law enforcement figures would be at the door NOW. And it wouldn't just be some social call, either.

[Zambero]

231. This is most definitely a threat AND an invitation to violence

Wishing violent death on a prominent candidate before a media audience of millions is no less than an open invitation for fanatical surrogates to carry out that wish. Does this "legitimize" such an act in the eyes of those who might consider carrying it out? Yes it most certainly does, and it constitutes a threat in every sense of the word.

[Clovis Sangrail]

233. if you're right I expect Liz is currently in jail

is she?

[Barrymores Ghost]

238. Laws are broken, felonies perpetrated by Repugs on a daily basis...

...how many are in jail?

What should be, and what will happen are two different things. I'm sure someone of your intellectual import appreciates the difference.

Assuming you're as smart as you think you are.

[Clovis Sangrail]

242. of course...

but we strive to enforce those laws right?
People commit murder everyday and never set foot in a police station, but their act isn't generally broadcast on national TV and doesn't inspire an army of ditto heads to demand justice.

If this is nearly as cut and dry as any of the bobble heads on this thread think, then surely the authorities will have at least detained Liz by now.

well... has she been detained?
surely one of the good citizens here can relay the precanned answer they got when they called the TIPs line.

[Barrymores Ghost]

329. Regardless...

...it must gall the fuck out of you that most in DU seem to agree with me....huh?

Just guessing...you aren't an Obama fan, are you?

[Clovis Sangrail]

332. ROFL... that demonstrates just how limited your understanding is

I hate to disturb your safe little world view by stepping outside of the box you put me in... but your flat wrong on both counts.
:O

First, I don't want the approval of the group.
If you need that kind of validation your priorities are seriously fucked up.
So it doesn't bother me in the slightest that others have come out to agree with you.
As far as I'm concerned it's a good thing... it gives the phoney progressives a chance to self identify.

Second, I voted for Obama.
I don't think there's much question he's by far the best candidate in the race.

care to make another ASSumption?
...you're good at this being wrong thing...

:rofl:

[Name removed]

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[Dr. Strange]

272. As long as it's a joke, yes.

I said that Henry Hyde should be stoned to death for his role in the impeachment. It was a joke.
-Alec Baldwin

Trotta better come out and say it's a joke.

[Clovis Sangrail]

289. she did exactly that

there's a link down thread at 240

[Yael]

70. Yeah, like yelling FIRE in a crowded theater.

What are you, a Libertarian?

[Barrymores Ghost]

72. No...

...just a blithering simpleton with a keyboard.

[Yael]

80. Pssst -- that wasn't directed at you...

[Barrymores Ghost]

82. Tap...tap...

...{nudge}...I know. I was just adding to your already excellent point.
:hug:

[Yael]

102. Doh!

Sorry 'bout that!

[Clovis Sangrail]

98. how the hell is that remotely comprable?

this is actually pretty funny

I guess I touch a nerve because I suggested a person with the wrong ideas should have freedom of speech just like everybody else.

should she lose her job?
sure

should people be outraged?
sure

did she commit a crime?
no fuckin' way
no more than Rush or Hannity or Malloy or random callers do on their shows 5 days a week

It's amazing to watch people line up like this

[Name removed]

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[Yael]

107. To add: Send the pics where they are "interrogating" with the rubber gloves on.

Be sure and get us a shot of the expression on your face.

:rofl:

[Clovis Sangrail]

122. you naughty monkey...

If you're into that sort of thing pm me. ;)
I charge $200/hr.. but I've been told I fist like nobody else out there. :loveya:

[Clovis Sangrail]

121. I've done that :P

pre 9/11 and yes, I did go to security land as I fully expected.
it's not a smart thing to do but it's not a crime either.

The whole "can't say the b word" at the airport is fucking STUPID.
Like somebody who plans on bringing a bomb on a plane is going to be talking about bombs in the fucking terminal.
How stupid can you get?

These sort of things just chip away at our freedom of speech.

[Barrymores Ghost]

131. The old adage "When you find yourself in a hole, quit digging" seems to have...

...taken on new life with you.

You seem to be looking for a bigger shovel.

Bravo to you for your persistence. It's really a scream to watch.

[Clovis Sangrail]

139. don't worry... I'll stand up for you too

when the time comes.. no matter how repulsive I find you ;)

[Barrymores Ghost]

324. Don't bother...please. n/t

[Clovis Sangrail]

336. aw... you say that now...

but I'm sure you'll feel different then. ;)

[helderheid]

223. Hand him this, will ya?

[Barrymores Ghost]

328. A shovel to be reckoned with.... n/t

[Yael]

104. She thought it would be awesome! and funny! to assassinate a candidate

for the Presidency of the United States of America.

On air.

As a journalist.

It is called ethical responsibility.

She has no ideas what redneck ears are picking up on that dog whistle.

And yes, it was fucking criminal.

Democrats hold people responsible for their actions. She needs to be held accountable for this extreme lapse of judgment and extreme lack of journalistic integrity.

Before the next one thinks it is "ok" or "funny".

There are limits.

Sorry if you don't agree but I could give a shit. She is joking about a man's life. A man with a bright future and small children.

If you want to protect her "free speech" on this, I am sure that libertarianunderground.com would love to have you. I don't even think the Freepers would stoop that low (but you can try).

[Clovis Sangrail]

125. your right... she sucks

no journalistic integrity blah blah blah
but she didn't commit a crime.

You just refered to her "joking about a man's life"
.. because you know it wasn't a threat.

so what is it then?
off color jokes are a crime?

or should we just let the 'spirit of the moment' decide what journalists (your description not mine) go to jail for saying?

do you realize how frightening that sounds?

[Yael]

153. *PLONK*

To the clueless dungeon with you...

[Clovis Sangrail]

160. why am *I clueless? enlighten me

The poster acknowledges "she was joking".
Given that it's no longer a question of it being a threat, what exactly is the criminal act that is to be punished?
It's not the one in the OP; that doesn't cover jokes.

"Joking" about killing somebody is richly deserving of boycotts, getting a license pulled, firing, and all sorts of other things but asserting it is deserving of criminal punishment is mockery of the first amendment.

Not seeing that is indeed worthy of being sent off to the 'clueless dungeon'.

[populistdriven]

175. She deserves to be dragged into a SS interrogation room for several hours

and questioned just like they would you or me.

and just like you or me put her on the no fly list and keep her on it until President Obama abolishes it.

[Clovis Sangrail]

207. aren't you the vindictive one

since you think they would do something fucked up to you or me they should do it to her too?

I'd prefer not to live in that sort of society.

[populistdriven]

229. I would prefer not to as well, you are elitist if you think the media whores should be given special

treatment any different from you or me. I said the list should be abolished. Until then lets hold everyone to the same standard of conduct. If we don't then what hope is there the 4th estate will give two cents about us little people and nothing will avoid further sliding into fascism.

[Clovis Sangrail]

235. I never said the media should be given special treatment

but I agree that I am elitist (so are you) :D

If something is wrong it's wrong... regardless of equal application.

[populistdriven]

251. I agree, it is wrong, and so is my schadenfreude if supporters of the current fascism are hurt by it

but its true :)

if im wrong so be it :)

I wont feel sorry for her shes part the problem

Maybe I will be more virtuous in my next existence :P

[Voltaire99]

198. Why...

...are you wasting your time on these dullards?

Surely you don't think closed minds can be opened, do you?

[Clovis Sangrail]

218. one can hope /nt

[OnyxCollie]

234. Here you go. Educate yourself.

Yates v. United States, 354 U.S. 298 (1957)
http://supreme.justia.com/us/354/298/case.html

Facts of the Case
Fourteen leaders of the Communist Party in the state of California were tried and convicted under the Smith Act. That Act prohibited willfully and knowingly conspiring to teach and advocate the overthrow of the government by force. This case was decided in conjunction with Richmond v. United States and Schneiderman v. United States.

Question
Did the Smith Act violate the First Amendment?

Conclusion
In a 6-to-1 decision, the Court reversed the convictions and remanded the cases to a District Court for retrial. The Court interpreted the Smith Act in the following manner: First, the term "organize" was construed to mean the creation of a new organization, making the Act inapplicable to subsequent organizational acts. Second, the Court drew a distinction between the "advocacy and teaching of forcible overthrow as an abstract principle" and the "advocacy and teaching of concrete action for the forcible overthrow of the Government." The Court recognized that instances of speech that amounted to "advocacy of action" were "few and far between."

I'd say advocating the assassination of a major candidate fits the definition of "concrete action for the forcible overthrow of government".

[Clovis Sangrail]

241. and that is supposed to show..... what?

In relation to the Smith Act the court found there was clearly a difference between mentioning forcible overthrow and actually advocating concrete action for same.
IOW: they are NOT to be treated the same.
Not that the Smith Act applies here, but if you honestly think Liz was "advocating concrete action" you must hold some pretty scary views.

The Smith Act is one of the more tragic forays of our legislature.

[OnyxCollie]

271. Doesn't matter if *I* think Liz is advocating concrete action,

if someone else does and acts upon it, THAT'S why it must be prohibited. Too bad you can't understand that.

It's all fun and games until someone gets assassinated.

[Clovis Sangrail]

288. it really doesn't matter what that other person thinks

it matters what the court thinks

[Barrymores Ghost]

327. Which is exactly why I say a court should take it up.

You seem to be adverse to that. Why?

[Clovis Sangrail]

333. oh this is rich!!

If you read through my responses, I NEVER said the authorities shouldn't decide if she committed a crime.
You're the one that has just started to come around to the if proposition.

As I've said on this thread multiple times, if the authorities believe she actually threatened Obama they'll bring her in.
As I've asked you before... have they done this?

Do you think people should be brought before courts to decide if they committed a crime.. when they haven't even been arrested or formally charged with a crime?

that's just a tad ...mmmm... what's the word...
oh yeah... fascistic ;)

[Voltaire99]

195. *PLONK*

And to you, fascist.

[lame54]

232. Here is a petition that ask fox to fire trotta

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/fox-news-has-to-sack-liz-trotta

[Swamp Rat]

236. kick for this

[Frisbee]

254. Thank you...

Exactly the point I was going to make if no one else did. The SCOTUS has already said there are limits to free speech, and I think what she said would probably not pass the test for protected speech. Just like hate speech is not protected, I doubt that advocating the assignation of a presidential candidate is either. Nor should it be. And furthermore, if it can be proven that Faux News is on a time delay (which I'm sure they are), they should also be help responsible for allowing it to air. I'm sorry Clovis, but this is beyond indefensible, and those involved need to be held accountable for it.

[TheFarseer]

162. she was on TV, not at a bar

telling hundreds of thousands of people that it would be a GOOD thing if a presidential candidate got assassinated.

[madrchsod]

178. can`t do that in a bar either....

[DUlover2909]

179. Threats aren't considered free speach.

Nor is incitation to riot or the commition of any felony. I think a conviction and a fine would do in this case, since it was a national broadcast.

[Clovis Sangrail]

220. nor did she make a threat /nt

[DailyGrind51]

192. You can't "yell 'fire!' in a crowded theater..."

and, you can't tell "bomb" or "hijack" jokes at an airport. You also can't use speech to incite a riot.
In the case involving the First Amendment and using inflammatory speech to incite another to commit murder:

"...The Committee asserts that certain types of speech do not enjoy First Amendment protection, and the Response lists a number of First Amendment cases which speak to "fighting words."143 Arguably, many of Hale's teachings and literature can be construed as fighting words, to which the Committee concludes that "he First Amendment does not provide safe harbor when racial enmity motivates conduct."144

The case of Matthew F. Hale: Implications for First Amendment rights, social mores and the direction of bar examiners in an era of intolerance of hatred

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3975/is_200007/ai_n8912301/pg_11

[Clovis Sangrail]

230. errr.. did you actually read your link?

1)The "Committee" referred to is the "Illinois Committee on Character and Fitness"
2)This had nothing to do with finding Hale guilty of a crime or limiting his freedom of speech, it was about admission to the Illinois bar.

In other words... your link is irrelevant.

[IsItJustMe]

201. What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Fovea]

280. Google

Oliver Wendell Holmes Fire Theater.

That should get you to the applicable quote.

[liberalcanuck]

302. I'm not sure where we are as far as agreeing you're a complete tool - 13th'd? nt

[POAS]

188. Exactly

It suggests that she has talked with at least one other person and seriously considered assassination as a possible option. That is what conspiracy charges and "theories" are based upon.

Reminds me of people who cheered when Kennedy was assassinated. Yes, it happened!

[RNdaSilva]

163. Accessory after the fact...

Accessory?

[calimary]

307. Welcome to DU.

I'm still reeling over this, and over the utter recklessness of Liz Trotta - a broadcast veteran who CERTAINLY should have known better. What an abject disgrace!!!!!!!!! And to think I used to look up to her as a role model...

[Maraya1969]

269. I think the fact that she said it to hundreds of thousands of people is what

is important here. Also the fact that she probably has fans and dubious ones at that, (well maybe crazy is a better word).

It only takes one crazy person to hurt another terribly and she just told a bunch of that it would be funny if it happened.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

4. uh Bill Orelly threatened Michelle Obama with lynching

he got some award.

[dmr]

173. I didn't know that

wonder if it's on YouTube.

Fox needs to be investigated and punished. They are going too, too far with kind of talk. If you don't stop this now, it will continue.

As I said down-thread, it's too easy for people to become de-sensitized to things that are considered bad. We can't let that happen - no matter who the potential, present or past president they are talking about.

Edit:

Found something over at YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1sPlGfpAiE

[DUlover2909]

181. wish we didn't pay attention to him any more lol

:hippie:

[TomInTib]

5. Hate has made that woman ugly as sin.

Unless the sin is mine.

I just love sinning.

But that woman is as hateful-ugly as hell.

Maybe that's why she is so evil.

[Tikki]

69. Small lips know and would run away....

and hide before they would touch hers.

...just ugly, no grace.


Tikki

[pleah]

6. The last thread that was posted about this was

locked and archived. Why? It seems to me that it is a major thing to discuss. Can someone explain what happened, re: this topic?

:shrug:

[Barrymores Ghost]

9. Link? n/t

[pleah]

36. I tried to access the archives and it said that it was down right now!

:shrug:

[yardwork]

10. What?

[shraby]

13. I noticed that too when I wanted to post

to it. Anyone know the answer?

[Barrymores Ghost]

14. Link, please. THX! n/t

[Why Syzygy]

150. Here ya go>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3339311

[Crunchy Frog]

28. That's because it was posted in GD rather than GD/P.

[thoughtcrime1984]

8. Who knew that all of the sudden it would be in vogue to kill a Senator?

You can't be cool unless you want Obama offed.

[Barrymores Ghost]

11. Thanks to Hillary, EVERYBODY's thinking out loud these days.

The f*cking cretin.

[Cha]

31. Who knew hilary was such a fucking shithead inciter?

Fucking Warhog.

[yardwork]

12. Keep this kicked. Watch the video. Call the FCC and the Secret Service.

[Swamp Rat]

16. Let's not inundate the Secret Service with calls

I imagine they already know about it.

However let's DO inundate FUX Noise and their sponsors with calls. :)

... as well as MSNBC and CNN. ;)

[yardwork]

19. Ok, that's a good point. I'll switch to bothering Fox News.

I just filed a complaint with the FCC but now I read that the FCC won't care about cable. Isn't anyone overlooking cable? I find it hard to believe that if Fox News ran a clip of a naked woman dancing, the FCC wouldn't take an interest. Seems to me that somebody laughing about how she wants somebody to take out Obama should qualify for their interest.

[Swamp Rat]

23. I am sure MSNBC and CNN would be interested.

:evilgrin:

Maybe we can get them to start polls on their websites regarding what should happen to FUX, Murdoch, and Liz Trots-Her-Pants. :D

[ruby slippers]

56. yeah, especially with the feud now between Oman and OReallY? and their

respective bosses....Good way to take FOX down....

[Swamp Rat]

62. And hilariously FUN!!!

:evilgrin:

[dmr]

186. Even Abrams shows the faux-pas

including his own!

[Yael]

71. The FEC has no jurisdiction -- this is a cable program

And I would guess that the SS has enough copies of the YouTube by this late in the day. Poor guys. They thought it was going to be a quiet weekend and the blogosphere is hounding them, ringing their phones off the hook.

:rofl:

[Clovis Sangrail]

99. yeah... tell them about Bill your neighbor too /nt

[Name removed]

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[Name removed]

123. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[jordi_fanclub]

15. K

:kick:

[anigbrowl]

17. I wish non-lawyers would not interpret the law. Incitement and threat are differnt things.

Though she did engage in incitement, and there may be some other penalty for that, I hope there is.

[yardwork]

21. Her exact words

"....somebody to knock off Osama, I mean Obama, well, both if we could."

Sounds like she's saying that she wants somebody to kill Senator Obama.

[Barrymores Ghost]

32. "We" = it sounds like she'd help if she could. n/t

[anigbrowl]

73. No offense, but you're not thinking about what I said

Threat = I am going to kick your ass.
Incitement = someone should kick that person's ass.

A threat is not the same as incitement. It might still be an offense, it might still be subject to criminal sanction. I'm just saying that when it comes to legal terminology the words are not interchangeable and it's a waste of time to draw conclusions without knowing the law in greater detail.

[Barrymores Ghost]

78. What is it when she says "WE should kick his ass?

...or, more to the point, "WE could knock him off?"

[anigbrowl]

166. It's incitement. She's not speaking as representative of a group.

If she's prosecuted (which is unlikely, sadly), it would be hard to make that stick as a threat in a court. A prosecutor would prefer the narrow interpretation of incitement, which is easier to demonstrate, harder to dismiss, and more likely to refer in a conviction. I don't know what all the law relating to this is, and have no plans to spend an evening researching just for the academic satisfaction, but I do know that any prosecuting attorney would prefer to win on a lesser charge than lose on a technicality or by overreaching.

[yardwork]

83. I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't reference threat or incitement.

I'm pointing out that the woman's exact words were, "Well, both, if we could." That sounds like both an incitement and a threat to me, but I'm not a lawyer.

Are you defending her statement?

[anigbrowl]

165. Of course I'm not defending it. What a ridiculous idea.

I replied to yours because it's an untidy thread, is all.

[yardwork]

261. Oh. Sorry. We had some folks defending - even laughing at - Trotta's comment last night.

I see now that you were simply discussing the difference between two legal terms, and accidentally responded to my post.

I'm not a lawyer and wouldn't pretend to know the legal issues here. I do know that what Liz Trotta said is wrong, on any level. I'm sure that if someone had posted her exact words here on DU, Skinner would be visited by the secret service. He's been visited by them for far vaguer posts.

[Clovis Sangrail]

337. her exact words are posted in this thread

as is a link to a video of it

[TexanDem]

91. Did she say "both if we could" or "both would be good" - (link)>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T5eDDL1WuM
(at counter 1:29)

Either is horrific but sounds like "would be good" to me.

[Barrymores Ghost]

108. "Both, if WE could." n/t

[Swamp Rat]

116. To me, is was clear that she said "could." Notice the reaction of the man to her right.

"Talk about how you really feel," he said, as if to punctuate her joke about Obama getting 'knocked off' along with Osama. This is not something 'journalists' should ever joke about. She really screwed up, but I also blame FOX News Corp for creating an environment where this kind of behaviour is permissible.

[Why Syzygy]

154. the youtube vid isn't working for

me. It loads, but no sound and no movement on the status bar. Anyone else?

Is there some other place to see it?

[musicblind]

157. yeah it sounded like "both would be good" to me as well

[The Gunslinger]

76. I'd settle for Fox news being taken off the air. NT

[yardwork]

86. Yes, I think that would be a fair outcome.

[Barrymores Ghost]

111. Add Liz Trotta to the NO FLY LIST

For fucking EVER.

[blonndee]

18. Thanks to Poll_Blind: **Contact information for the FCC**

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6125119&mesg_id=6126144

. . .

FCC - File an FCC complaint: http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm?sid=&id=d1e640

if you have problems with that link use this one: http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm

NOTE: Those filling out FCC complaint, note time (FOX video indicates 8:58 PT)

You must include the URL on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjYpkvcmog0

. . .

edited to delete Secret Service link

[Swamp Rat]

25. Let's not bug the Secret Service anymore please.

Let's inundate MSNBC and CNN with calls and emails instead. They would LOVE to smack down FUX. ;)

[blonndee]

26. Okay, edited, but the FCC link is a good one. I tried FOX earlier but their message box was "full."

LOL.

[Swamp Rat]

33. The more we call and email CNN and MSNBC, the more likely they will cover it ASAP.

It would be great to see it appear in their late evening broadcasts and online. If enough of us contact them, they might start online polls. :evilgrin:

[ShortnFiery]

20. Such statements are "unacceptable" - like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. UNACCEPTABLE! eom

[Window]

22. K/R.

:kick:

[H2O Man]

24. There needs to be

a consequence for what she said.

Nominated.

[Swamp Rat]

30. I think we DUers can be most effective regarding 'consequences'

by calling and emailing MSNBC and CNN, FUX Noise's competitors. ;)

[marions ghost]

39. YEP

to the point.

[H2O Man]

46. Very good idea.

I hope that ou will consider starting a thread with the information that DUers need to do exactly that. Really good idea. I will certainly call and e-mail.

It might be worth including contact information for one or two good people in Congress.

[Swamp Rat]

61. I thought THIS thread was 'L'Homme Armé' ... the 'call to arms'!

:D

Since I am not using my regular computer, it is hard enough just posting replies. I had to locate links online to what little of my artwork I could find in order to post a few pix here and there. I have no 'history' or 'favorites' on this computer other than the past couple of days... in other words, I feel incompetant to do the small task you ask of me.... HELP! :D

Hopefully I will hear about the status of my computer tomorrow.... pins and needles. I may have lost a months worth of work. :scared: I was just backing up my files when the logic board *POOF!* died. THAT never happened to me before (on a Macintosh). Fortunately, I was able to create at least one DVD of my newly completed Masters thesis... THANK YOU JESUS!!!! The computer died the morning after graduation last weekend. WHEW!

[yardwork]

124. Congratulations on your graduation and newly completed Master's thesis!

That is a bright spot of news! Congratulations!

[Swamp Rat]

132. Thanks!

:bounce:

see PM

[ClayZ]

161. She should at least be arrested and tried!

It might make the next yayhooo think twice!

K and R

[Window]

27. Stinking bitch.

[emilyg]

34. Guessing you're a male.

[Swamp Rat]

35. Why?

[emilyg]

38. You know why.

Calling a woman a "bitch."

[greguganus]

40. Well she can't be a bastard now, can she? n/t

[emilyg]

43. Not funny - my daughter

ended an abusive marriage where that word was on the menu daily.

[Barrymores Ghost]

47. Your projection of a personal situation...

...doesn't change the fact.

Sorry for your daughter, honestly.

[emilyg]

49. Surely other words can be used.

[Barrymores Ghost]

51. I can think of plenty...

...but they're not any nicer.

[greguganus]

52. yeah but you will complain about those too. n/t

[emilyg]

54. 'nite.

[greguganus]

48. Well she should of stopped calling him a bastard then. n/t

[Blondiegrrl]

65. Women call other women bitches. Men call other men assholes, dickheads, etc.

Why is it you think if a poster uses the word "bitch," that person is a male? That doesn't even make sense.

[emilyg]

147. Not this woman. Not the women I know.

[Swamp Rat]

66. Tragic

:hug:

[ladeyday]

141. sorry about your daughter also, but

that bitch IS a bitch.
And I'm not a male

[Swamp Rat]

45. That does not mean the poster is a man.

I have seen more women call Hillary, what can be construed as sexist, names in the past 48 hours than men. MANY more female posters. Personally, out of respect to my fellow female DUers, I have refrained from using such remarks, but I am not about to tell female DUers they cannot use those types of terms.

[Oilwellian]

60. Thank you kindly Swampmeister

:hi:

This woman is vile. Makes a perfect addition to my assassination mashup. It's going to be stunning.

[Swamp Rat]

64. George Oilwellian!!

:hi::hug:

My Mac died (probably the logic board) last Sunday before I could back up a lot of my recent art (last two months?). :( I'm using a PC I built for scientific research, so what art I am posting comes from links I found using Google.

If only I had Photoshop right now.... :evilgrin:

[helderheid]

227. I'm a woman and I use the term bitch often.

:shrug:

[rhett o rick]

226. Come on swampy, bitch is the new "n" word. nm

[Yael]

77. This female says

STINKING BITCH.

But no worries, I was really thinking the C-word.

:hi:

[Barrymores Ghost]

81. I like the adjective!

Adding an odiferous quality to her b*tch-ness really completes the ensemble.

[Yael]

110. Yes, but the pumps or the sandals?

Decisions!

[a la izquierda]

259. me too...n/t

[calimary]

309. Hey, in this case, I think it fits.

liz trotta has earned it.

[thewiseguy]

142. 5 posts under this thread and you did not bother condemning Liz's comments

You must be an awful Hillary supporter.

[emilyg]

145. Seems you're not so wise

I did in another op.

[thewiseguy]

148. No you did not. Even there you thought the OP was about Hillary.

Once you realized that the OP was about Liz you just edited your post and did not condemn her comments.

[Window]

205. You guess wrong. I'm a woman who's sometimes a bitch...but a good one.

I'm a lady in the livingroom, a bitch in the kitchen and a _______ in the bed.

[NorthernSpy]

287. Guessing you're a Trotta apologist...

:puke:

[Blondiegrrl]

67. I'm thinking there's a better word to describe her.

It starts with a C and ends with a T.

[Barrymores Ghost]

75. Carrot?

Conduit?

Curt?

[Blondiegrrl]

84. You got it! LOL

[Window]

204. LOL! That will do, too.

[99th_Monkey]

29. glad to k&r

:kick:

this shit cannot continue, period.

once again, HIllary and the lunitic RW fringe on que, spouting the same toxic meme. yuk.

[ruby slippers]

37. I gently "reminded" MSNBC and many other news outlets so

hopefully they will pick up on it and air it in MSM...Tuesday news might be interesting, once this holiday is over. Lucky Hillary!

Thanks for the link.

[Swamp Rat]

68. By Tuesday, MSNBC and CNN will have full email and voicemail boxes

:evilgrin:

[MonkeyFunk]

41. Fox isn't the "public airwaves"

Whether or not she committed a crime, I couldn't say. But she didn't say it over the public airwaves.

[Barrymores Ghost]

44. Edited just to make you happy...

Not that I disagree...but your approval is all I really crave.

[TexanDem]

135. I think it's a crime even just to say it, period - just like you can't joke about bombs or yell fire

[NBachers]

169. Public easements and rights-of-way

Yeah, I know, I don't really know what I'm talking about, but it seems to me that most of the cable is strung over, or under, public easements and rights-of-way. So the signals, on their way to millions of TV's, go through public space until they hit private property. Also, isn't satellite service broadcast through public air space?

This is probably legally detailed and worked out somewhere, but it seems to me that the cable signals through public rights-of-way would be similar to broadcast airwaves.

[chknltl]

53. Liz Trotta's telephone number and address is in that link!

Look below in the responses, someone dug up her address, phone number and age. I was afraid to add it here, I looked at the rules again and found nothing about doing so but.....

[Barrymores Ghost]

95. Good thinking not to put it here.

DU is NOT Michelle Malkin.

[chknltl]

109. um... well....

I PMed ya with it. I wasn't sure regarding the rules and I just wasn't brave enough to just stick it in your thread... I figured just in case you were braver than I you might add it here. Now I am glad for not posting that info and I am feelin' guilty for even PMing it to you.

Sorry 'bout that.
:blush:

[Barrymores Ghost]

114. Don't worry about it.

[marions ghost]

57. the idea that this is a fine thing to say....ha ha ha

:nuke:

The scary thing is that this is obviously a talking point in a LOT of places (places I guess I don't go)...

How wide is this concept in "mainstream" America? :scared:

And are sane people around the country really joking and cackling at the suggestion that Obama might not make it to November?

[NBachers]

171. 1963 . . . 1968 . . .

Man, I've been on eggshells of apprehension about this. I don't think I could bear it happening again . . . I still feel the loss of King and the Kennedys. Maybe it's good to discuss it out in the open, instead of pretending it's not an issue . . . Please God not again. We don't have many chances left before the forces of fascism and brutality are too strong to overcome. They're getting too good, too efficient.

[pleah]

58. Archives is still unavailable.

:shrug:

[pleah]

63. I think I have it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3339311&mesg_id=3339311

[papapi]

85. I'm with you on this one BG...

...I have sent a not so pleasant email to:

[e-mail]

[Barrymores Ghost]

88. Thanks, papapi...

...I'm sure they'll get right back to you on that.
;)

[yardwork]

130. Thanks for that link.

[ruby slippers]

89. I just got a bulk email from someone on an Obama website group

so the fuel is fanning the fire. He is planning on buying a ticket tomorrow and going to FOX studios for a boycott. Look like some fun heating up.

[Barrymores Ghost]

90. F*cking AWESOME!!!

Can you re-post the email (sans addresses?)??

[ruby slippers]

101. Here is the email from the bulker......

THIS IS A (EXPLETIVE) ABOMINATION!

DAMN THESE ASS HOLES.... WHO IS THIS WOMAN? I DO NOT WATCH FOX ENOUGH TO IDENTIFY THESE HATE MONGERING MORONS.

SHE SHOULD BE HUNG UP AND SLOWLY DRAINED OF EVERY OUNCE OF LIFE!

THIS IS BY FAR TWICE AS BAD AS CHILLARY's ABOMINATION AND FOUR TIMES WORSE THAN HUCKABEE.

I WILL NEVER CONDONE THOSE CLOWNS... BUT THIS CREEPY NEEDS TO BE ARRESTED!

I AM BUYING A TICKET....
GOING TO NEW YORK DC TO CAUSE A RUCKUS ON THE STREETS
IN FRONT OF THE FOX TEMPLES.

ANYONE KNOW IF THE O-CAMP HAS BAIL MONEY TO RESCUE ME WHEN I GET ARRESTED?

Love
Duffey.....

[MonkeyFunk]

222. LOL!

"She should be hung up and slowly drained of every ounce of life!"

"love,
Duffy"

[hiaasenrocks]

316. Pretty clear that the email is a joke.

[Cha]

100. I'll give that a second Fucking Awesome!

We need to do something..this will not slide down the wabbit hole.

[tledford]

92. Uh... Who or What is "Liz Trotta?" Never heard of her. nt

[tledford]

94. Okay, are we talking about *Lysistrata?* nt

[Swamp Rat]

106. Your sigline...

GREAT cartoon! :D

[yardwork]

129. Liz Trotta is a Fox News commentator who called for Obama's assassination today.

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjYpkvcmog0

[ObamaKerryDem]

172. She should be given the Don Imus treatment..

FIRED! :grr:

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

143. Wiki - Liz Trotta

From Wikipedia,

"Liz Trotta is a Fox News contributor and former New York bureau chief of The Washington Times."

Controversy

"On May 25th, 2008, Trotta made news after expressing a desire on Fox News that U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama be assassinated<2> in the run up to the 2008 presidential election. Prior to calling for his assassination she referred to Barack Obama as "Osama".

In reference to Hillary Rodham Clinton's controversial reference<3><4> to Robert F. Kennedy's June, 1968, assassination in a discussion of the ongoing 2008 Democratic primaries, she stated,

"<...> and now we have what some are reading as a suggestion that somebody knock off Osama. Um, uh, Obama. Well them both, if we could." <5>


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Trotta

[thoughtcrime1984]

176. It's that mucus looking stuff that covers a turd.

It is quite disgusting.

[Triana]

96. "a person protected by the Secret Service..."

Obama IS protected by the SS - so it appears this may be a violation of US law. CALL your local field office:

http://www.secretservice.gov/field_offices.shtml


And tell them what has occurred. They may already know. Express your concern nonetheless. Don't expect details about anything from them. I think they need to hear from people about this. Give them the date, time, the lunatic's name (Liz Trotta), and of course the name FOX "news" and the quote, if you can.

I don't think the FCC covers cable channels and that's what Fox is so not sure what they can do.

[AZBlue]

112. What the eff is going on in this country??!?

K&R

[cbc5g]

115. THANKS A LOT HILLARY - ASSHOLE n/t

[superkia]

117. I like how she says Osa...cathces herself and then goes on to...

"accidentally" say Osama, I mean Obama. Why people continue to try and connect the two is just crazy, to actually say well both hopefully or whatever...thats just nuts!

[TBF]

120. Yeah, we should probably get used to this. I have a feeling we'll be hearing it from alot

of Republicans this fall. We'll be wishing for the days when all we had were a bunch of pissed off Hillary44 people calling him "Barry".

[cbc5g]

118. After all the threats she is going to get over this...

I dont think she will EVER go on Fox News anymore. They probably wont even have to fire her.

[cbc5g]

119. Sounds like she said "which we could"

Still it's wrong and Hillary is definitely partly to blame for this.

[Berry Cool]

126. This is incredible, even for this awful network.

This calls for someone to be fired so fast it will make her head spin. Not to mention a phone call from Agent Mike and his buddies.

[RBInMaine]

127. Where the hell if Olberman and the rest of the more reasonable press when we need them?

[thewiseguy]

128. Liz will be very sorry tomrrow.

She usually has a slot on the Fox weekend show where she comes and criticizes the liberal media for how they covered a particular story.

They will be more than happy to have her exposed.

[cbc5g]

133. After listening a few times i'm sure she didn't say "If we could"

She said either "which we could" or "wish we could"


Both of which are even worse if you ask me.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

134. kicked AND recommended. put her in jail and anyone else who wants

to pull that shit.

[ZinZen]

136. K&R

[ekwhite]

137. I think she needs a visit from the Secret Service

They need to let her know that joke was NOT funny.

[NCDem60]

167. I don't think it was

intended as a joke. That was a nervous laugh after she realized what she just said over the air.

[calimary]

312. Welcome to DU. It is no laughing matter whether she thinks so or not.

And I think she was chuckling in part because - "Obama, Osama, who the hell cares? What's the difference?"

That cavalier superiority attitude that looks down its elitist nose at those of us in the liberal/progressive/Democratic realm with our disgusting, childish "do-gooder" bleeding hearts.

She advocated rubbing Obama out. Plainly. She expressed the wish that he would be killed. She should be under arrest at this very hour. Her actions were tantamount to inciting some gun-nut to commit a capital crime.

[Kablooie]

138. Oh God. I can see this being a theme all through the election from the conservatives.

They will keep suggesting it until somewhere someone tries it.
And they will be so proud.

[samsingh]

140. big kick

[ladeyday]

144. I've written an email protest to Fox

@ [e-mail]

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

146. Arrest Now

let her attorney sort it out - in court.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

152. At least they could fire her and then arrest her before she gets away

[rucky]

191. Or they could cuff her on the air?

[whistle]

155. "Knock off Osama...ah...ah...Obama...well both if we could...heehehehe"

...What a total repuke Witch!

[Khaotic]

156. I can't take this shit!

:grr:

[SusanaMontana41]

158. kick

eom

[Revlon10]

159. Kicked and Recommended.

[quantass]

164. Wow!

[matt007]

168. This is where News-tainment leads eventually

this is a nightmare

[dmr]

170. Those in the media have a moral responsibility

not to inflame or incite. There are plenty of emotionally challenged people in this world, some of whom, sadly, are mentally challenged as well. All they need is one little nod, for them to do - in their mind- the "right" thing. Then all will be well in the world.

I cringed this past Friday wondering if some sick-minded knucklehead somewhere was thinking Hillary's gaff was a "sign" to do something. It's no joke. There are people out there who do not think rationally.

This woman was wrong. "Or both if we could" Jesus, Mary, and Joseph! What in the world is wrong with the people that have been placed in a position of trust? Her co-hort sitting next to her treated it as a joke. It is not a joke. No way! No how!

If anything, Fox needs to be investigated and penalized by the FCC - that is after the Secret Service finished with them.

It's very easy to become de-sensitized. Do we want to be de-sensitized by this kind of talk? I don't care who is saying it - including myself. You do not make jokes about this - most especially on air.

I went through it in the 60s. It is incredibly painful. There are no words to adequately describe how devastating this would be for our country. We are on rocky ground as it is!

For the poster up-thread who said he'd dance if something happened to Bush* - My God, man! Who the hell do you think you are? As much as I hate that bastard, I would never, ever want this to happen to him. It would be a travesty beyond belief. If anything, let me appeal to your sensibilities that they would crown him into sainthood martyrdom if something were to happen to him. You don't want that. It's bad enough they created a Saint Ronnie.

Edit: Correction

[SeattleGirl]

183. Yep. Doesn't matter who that woman was referring to.

She needs to be looked at by the Secret Service. Obama, Clinton, McCain, Bush, or whoever. Does not matter. That kind of talk is ugly, irresponsible, and absolutely out of line. She needs to have the facts of life thrown in her face.

[NBachers]

180. Faxes to Boxer & Feinstein

I've got 12 faxes off to my Senators Boxer and Feinstein at each of their offices:

Dear Senator Boxer,

I am a San Francisco resident, a Boxer contributor, and I subscribe to your newsletter.

I am outraged about Liz Trotta's comment on Fox News advocating the assassination of Senator Obama. It happened on Memorial Day weekend, the time we set aside to honor our fallen Americans.

There can be no equivocating or explaining away the words she said. It is becoming common to joke about Senator Obama being killed. We need to put a stop to this meme before someone acts on it. For God's sake, he's got a wife and two young daughters.

I have lived through the assassination of Dr. King and the Kennedys. Our nation still has not recovered from these egregious political atrocities.

I believe Liz Trotta has broken Federal law, and I demand that Congress use its power and influence to see that she is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Fox Network needs to be fined and censured. And a Zero Tolerance limit must be established for any and all Obama assassination advocates.

This is a crucial election. We Can Not Afford to have another promising Democrat murdered.

Please do something now!
Thank you,

[SeattleGirl]

184. Great letter.

May I borrow some of it from you, to email my Senators?

[NBachers]

189. Do It!

[NBachers]

187. Oops- I originally said Trotter, not Trotta

I had to go back and correct them all before I sent them off.

Trotters are pigs feet - maybe I should've left it.

[Swamp Rat]

202. THANK YOU!

:patriot:

[SeattleGirl]

185. Liz Trotta can suck my.....

...oh wait. If I said what I actually thought, about a certain body part, the FCC would be all over me.

Sex = bad.

Violence = good.

What the goddamned FUCK have we become? :grr:

[mwb970]

190. She should be arrested and jailed.

No different from the other wackos that send threatening letters and e-mail to public figures. Imagine her joking about such a thing in front of millions of Fox viewers, a high percentage of which are mentally unbalanced in various ways!

Gasoline on embers. Republicans are disgusting.

[Joe Bacon]

193. Keep this kicked!

This Pre$$titute needs to be nailed!

[remember2000forever]

194. Write To Drudge Tip Line! Easy To Do! He Put The Cantor Thing Up Immediately! n/t

[Android3.14]

196. The fascist most difficult to see is the one staring from your own eyes

Sure, I'd love to see her fired, and I love to see Faux News embarrassed and its credibility tarnished.

But if any one thinks this woman was threatening Obama because she voiced more clearly what HRC so obviously implied is simply falling into the same Republican scream mode that always annoys people with the ability to think critically.

Just as HRC should crawl under a rock for the crap she voiced, so too should this talking head.

Clovis was right upthread; she did not break the law. What she did do was cross a line of good taste, promote a dangerous meme for the presumptive candidate that horrifies Democrats and delights many Republicans, and demonstrate the moranic inability to refrain from spreading feces on herself.

Let's not become the fascists we are fighting.

[calimary]

314. Welcome to DU. We should STILL be making a stink.

The remark was uncalled for, and as far as I can see, it sounds like she's expressing a wish that someone kill Obama.

It will be taken that way. It HAS been taken that way. She claims it was a joke and she just really went overboard. But it's not a bit funny, and liz trotta is NO spring chicken or newsroom ingenue. She's been at it for a LONG TIME. She should absolutely know better and be far better able to police herself in whatever smart-ass quips she throws out spontaneously. Hell, anybody in broadcasting for even a year knows that much.

[meow mix]

197. K&R

she needs to be jailed for a long long time.

[zulchzulu]

199. I think she's too stupid to even know what she's talking about...

...so to send her to jail would be a waste of taxpayer money. Karma will take care of her soon enough.

[windoe]

200. Having Barack Obama as president

will cause lunatics to come out of the woodwork on a continuous basis, and we have to expect this. Who is to say this is not a manipulation to distract and derail the left? F'd News is ADEPT at FEAR TACTICS and I strongly suspect this to be the motivation here, it was just done waaay too smoothly and with too much skill, I was amazed to see this.

I fully support demanding a response from the Secret Service, there must be repercussions for a public figure giving voice to violent threats on the public airwaves.

My hope for this incident is that Liz Trotta loses her job, and this sets a standard for mainstream media. It is amazing to me that Bush & Co were able to control dialog leading up to war and such, silencing dissent yet this is allowed. It tells me they are fully able to reign people in.

I can tell you one thing I (unfortunately) had to learn about stalkers, and it was that they feed off of attention!! This scenario cannot be allowed to take on a life of it's own, I beg each and every one to channel your energy into the work that needs to be done.

Let us follow Barack Obama's lead, let cool heads prevail and let the Secret Service do their jobs.

Watch out for fear tactics, we are weak when we are in a state of fear, and we have already shown just the thing that can set us off--do not be manipulated.

[Swamp Rat]

209. The best case scenario:

1) Liz Trotta is fired.
2) Murdoch publicly apologizes, pays a huge fine, and changes policy at FOX News Corp.
3) Cable networks cover this issue only ONCE, declaring ZERO tolerance on the matter.
4) This topic is avoided in public discourse.
5) If FOX News, or any news network, or radio show does it again, they will be hauled before Congress.

IMHO

[windoe]

216. Agreed, exactly.

We are taking our country back from a cartel that will use every means to stop us. F'd News is their main mouthpiece and it may be the best response from the Obama camp to make a clear example of this, so it will not happen again. Then move on to bigger and better things.
Thanks Swamp Rat, may the computer faries come and do their magic dance to fix your machine (works for me) :hi:

[Clovis Sangrail]

224. agreed /nt

[Barrymores Ghost]

239. If there ARE grounds for it, Liz Trotta should be charged.

If the system clears her, then, by all means, your scenario kicks in. If laws have been broken, she should should pay the price. Period.

[Clovis Sangrail]

245. but you were so adamant that the law *had been broken

if you really think that you should keep calling the SS about it.

If they won't do anything call your local PD.
Call somebody.
Scream at them.

After they hang up call back and scream some more.

:rofl:

[Barrymores Ghost]

273. In my reading of her words, yes, I believe she has made a threat...

...by comparing him to Osama bin Laden and stating that she (using the "royal we") would love to have him and bin Laden both "knocked off," as she says, "if we could."

Now, you can parse and historically revise what you've said and what I've said and "rofl" until you piss your panties, but that doesn't change my interpretation of her words, spoken on national television, or that I believe it constitutes a threat under the U.S. Code as I've delineated above. I've never claimed to be a legal professional, but have only said that I'd like to see her hauled in, questioned, and if there are grounds for it, charged and incarcerated. I take this shit seriously. I remember RFK's assassination, as well as Dr. King's, in addition to every attempt made on a U.S. President or candidate since.

You don't like outraged "group-think?" Tough shit. Deal with it.

[Clovis Sangrail]

290. ROFL... now I *am 'pissing my little panties'

another term for 'outraged group think' is 'mob mentality'
Interesting that you're not an unwitting participant, but fully embrace being a part of it.
Not something most people care to admit.

I'm sure that's resulted in lot's of good times joining in the beat down of the day.

At least you've finally admitted it.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Barrymores Ghost]

294. Oh good...you're "rofl" three times as much.

I guess you showed me!
:hi:

[Barrymores Ghost]

323. P.S. I think how I think....

...if others agree, especially to the extent that those in this thread do, then I'd say that it is less mob mentality than it is a general consensus.

It seems that this bugs you.

Too bad.

[Clovis Sangrail]

335. you really need to get out more

:rofl: :rofl:
(2 of them just for you)

You appear to think that opinions on DU are an accurate representation of the real world.
They're not.

I'm amazed you didn't realize that.. but then again I guess I shouldn't be suprised. ;)

[windoe]

252. Agreed. Law. The bounds of the First Amendment

are at stake here. Bush & Co. used fear tactics for a witch hunt we have yet to uncover-they distorted law beyond all recognition and now it is time to return to normal operations.
A healthy society sets clear boundaries--NO to public life threats.

[beezlebum]

203. kick

and rec

[zanne]

206. It didn't sound like she was suggesting it at first...

But when she said "Well, both if we could", her snarkiness went way over the line. She definitely should be called on this. There should be some repercussions, but I don't think the law should get involved.

[lonestarnot]

208. These freaks have just gone to far! Is she in jail yet?

[Gman]

210. This thread is absolutely ludicrous

[Arugula Latte]

264. Oh, really. Care to explain?

[Gman]

279. That's not possible to do

in reality based terms that the Obama surrogate minions would understand. I can't talk down to that low a level.

[Clovis Sangrail]

338. lol

I am an Obama supporter and I think a lot of the people on this thread are fricken' bonkers.

[papapi]

212. I have FAXED a protest of Trotta's outrage to my Senators....

Sen. John Warner (R) VA, FAX [phone]
Sen. Jim Webb (D) VA, FAX [phone]

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

[meow mix]

213. K&R

[helderheid]

219. I think I just threw up a little. Osama, Obama, well both if we could?!?

[greengestalt]

225. How 'bout "Even in Jest"?

I thought, during the Reagan years after Hinkley tried to kill him, they passed a measure that made it a federal crime to "Talk about killing the President, even in jest"? And that was interesting, because Hinkley had never talked about killing Reagan I think, just lots of lurid fan letters to Jodie Foster...

[calimary]

315. Welcome to DU. The problem is - it was just a really fun, hilarious little joking aside to her.

To someone else, especially when you consider the mentality of some people who gravitate toward Pox Noise and other such wrong-wing hate media, it might not be such a casual little joke to be snickered at in smug "superiority" and then moved on from. It might be considered an assignment.

[rhett o rick]

228. This is nothing. It is going to get a lot nastier. The fascist cabal has pushed beyond the limit in

every aspect of democracy. They will not go peacefully. I bet nothing happens to Trotta and it will open the gates farther for Limpballs and O'reilly, Savage, etc. How on to your butt. How far are you willing to go to fight for freedom?

[papapi]

240. Trotta 'apologizes' if you can call it that. If you build it, they will come.....

Trotta's original obnoxious comment:

http://www.youtube.com/v/BjYpkvcmog0&hl=en

Trotta's so called 'apology':

http://www.youtube.com/v/aKlv6vQca8k&hl=en

[mystieus]

243. At least she took responsibility for her comment. Hillary seemed to gloss over the whole main issue.

[cbc5g]

246. A RW pundit has more ability to apologize than our Dem candidate Hillary...imagine n/t

[Clovis Sangrail]

249. the sincerity was questionable

but it was a no holds barred "I done fucked up" apology.

[closeupready]

253. You can tell she doesn't mean it, but it is still an apology, but not much of one.

The arrogance of these people knows no limits.

[closeupready]

244. K&R.

Can't believe she said that.

[closeupready]

247. And in case someone has failed to explain this aspect of why her words are very troubling, consider

the Son of Sam case, or cases of schizophrenia, where disturbed individuals believe they hear voices from TV or their dogs telling them to do awful things. When someone like that actually DOES hear someone suggesting the unthinkable... What she said was definitely not acceptable, and she CLEARLY should have known that. At a minimum I think she should be fired.

[IndianaGreen]

248. Similar or lamer words uttered against Bush would have triggered a Secret Service visit.

Clearly there are some Hillary nutcases out there that want Obama done away with in the same fashion as Ann Coulter is constantly doing with her nazi groupies. Faux pundit Liz Trotta is another of those nutcases, this time from the RW, that should be investigated and charged for using public airwaves to call for assassination of a candidate. Faux should have its license revoked!

[Tribetime]

255. How she could say that and laugh is sickening

What f***en sick people are allowed on TV. The other guy just let it go also like no big deal. She must be called out, jailed, but something needs to be done to her.

[Barrymores Ghost]

342. Hmmm....

...something else? Waterboarding?

Just thinking out loud.

[windoe]

258. Humor or no humor, this is a security issue.

I do not advocate creating a 'new taboo' that forms it's own magnetic field for radio personalities, comedians and commentators who would no doubt rally around free speech issues, yet MSM cannot be allowed, even in jest, to voice threats, hate speech, or use racial epithets. This is a security issue.

*I wanted to add: Bush put limits on free speech by attempting to destroy dissent. Dissent has to do with disagreement over ideologies and policies, while at the same time the hatemongers (Coulter & Co) were allowed (if not enabled) to do character assassinations on people who disagreed with the status quo. This is yet another example of the Orweillian twisting of our Constitutional law. It is character assassinations, the hate speech that needs to have limits on, not actual bonified debate over issue!!

Ironic that we on the Left are pointing out First Amendment breaches, and so interesting we have been manipulated into doing so. We need to tread carefully here or we will be backing up 'war on terror' laws on the books we wish to abolish.

If we look at this like a chess game, we can control where it takes us, we need to be a couple of moves ahead.

[Arugula Latte]

263. I wonder if it has crossed Liz Trotta's mind that she very may have put herself in danger

by spouting such vile crap.

Seriously, if I were her, I'd be losing sleep thinking about the possibility of some nutcase seeking revenge upon her for that comment.

[gregjones]

267. This must be dealt with

Black Americans, and many of all races are EXTREMELY disturbed by Hillary's insinuation of a possible assassination of Barack Obama. To imply that her reason for staying in the race is because anything can happen, then nonchalantly say that even Robert Kennedy was assassinated in June, meaning therefore she should stay in, is not only pitifully diobolical but incredibly dangerous.

As I read some of the comments, I sense that some do not understand the true impact of her deadly insinuation. Keep in mind, when it was first announced that Obama was running for President, the initial concern in Black America was his safety. "Would some nut sniper him"? Obama had to hire secret service security right out of the gate.....why? Because of the true possibilty of some nut doing harm to him or his family.

Also, during the last 50 years, the people who have been assassinated have ALL been leaders who were working toward equality for ALL. John F., Robert and of course Dr. King. So just the WORD assassination brings to us not only an extreme fear but is a reminder of the incredibly sad loss to America, particularly Blacks, at the hands of the sick and wicked. For Hillary Clinton, a so-called leader, to insinuate, for WHATEVER reason assassination....is beyond disgusting. It subliminally sparks the hatred, bigotry and destruction that most Americans have worked so hard to overcome.

Greg Jones
www.Blacks4Barack.org
A Multi-Racial Org...Dedicated To Truth !

[windoe]

274. Great link

Senator Obama's speech to Howard seemed to me to reinforce where this discussion is going, that violence cannot be tolerated. I truly feel we are in the right to stand up against all hate speech, 'just joking' or not.
Hate speech is the first step toward dehumanizing a group of people, and we in this country have turned our heads away too many times. This is where the line needs to be drawn.
I wanted to add :hate speech includes advocating victimization of women, children, foreigners and the gay community too, as well as people of other countries--so it would be a better place for everyone if this was not part of the national discourse. What a great opportunity for growth.

[Swamp Rat]

281. Thanks for the link

I've been saying the same thing here since Friday, over and over.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[calimary]

317. Welcome to DU! And yes, it must be dealt with.

Good additional links in this thread. I've used a few of them already for complaint purposes.

[kenny blankenship]

277. k&r

[Major Hogwash]

284. Book 'em Danno.

No doubt about it, she was advocating violence against a presidential candidate over the FCC controlled airwaves.

Where's John Stewart when you need him?

[Joe Chi Minh]

293. Deleted by self.

[buff2]

298. I fear for his safety.

Too many racist nut cases out there. I hope he has PLENTY of protection. Bu$h never lacked it and neither should Obama. I pray every day for God to keep him safe. We need him so much.....and he doesn't deserve this. All he is wanting to do is help us... and turn this country around to the way it used to be.Why would ANYONE be against that? :shrug:

[patrice]

300. What's the name of the guy LT is talking to and what is his show called please and thanks very much.

[hiaasenrocks]

320. I think he does have lots of protection and may have been the first to receive it

for the very reason you state: the race factor. As well he should, with the way society is.

So we agree on that, absolutely, but we'll have to disagree on your portrayal of Obama as some kind of messianic figure. Come back to reality. He's just a man, with faults, like all people. And everyone thinks their candidate wants to "help us...and turn this country around the way it used to be." That's not exclusive to Obama or his supporters.

[Joe Chi Minh]

301. They're just low-lifes. She reminds me of the woman who "joked" about

the other golfers, the "also-rans", getting Tiger Woods in an alley and lynching him. But at least that wasn't dangerous.

Sometimes it's difficult to come to terms with the Gospel precept of not looking for figs to grow on thorns, but some people just do live in a different dimension.

[NewEnglandGirl]

313. Video is Amazing

She should be fired and arrested. Don't these a-hole people realize that some moron even stupider than themselves could hear them and get ideas?

[NBachers]

318. Yes, of course they realize that

Why do you think they keep suggesting it over and over? Putting it out there until it becomes an accepted reality that it will happen.

[calimary]

319. Welcome to DU! At the very least, she should be yanked off the air.

David Shuster was suspended for two weeks - for far less. His was a tasteless, thoughtless, sexist insult. This involves advocating a capital crime.

[Barrymores Ghost]

322. Yes, but our dear friend...

...Clovis Sangrail, thinks that we are given to mob mentality, that we are the ones who are hysterical, that it is us who should be reigned in.

Never mind that fact that we have MSM pundits who are openly advocating for political murder.

I think I am in a parallel universe, sometimes.

[Clovis Sangrail]

347. not everybody here... but definitely some on this thread

are given to mob mentality.
You yourself have attempted to use 'everybody here thinks that' as an argument to prove you're correct.
That's how people in lynch mobs have been convincing themselves of their correctness for years.

Not that your lack of comprehension skills are a shock, but I never advocated 'reigning anybody in' for stating their opinion on what should happen to Liz.
I might have pointed out that they were stupid, but that's a far cry from wanting anybody 'reigned in'.

Nice try at assigning an opinion to me though... not quite as funny as the last time you did that but amusing none the less.

My personal feeling is that the world needs all sorts of opinions... even ones that, like yours, are insanely - even laughably - wrong. ;)

[ruby slippers]

326. Keep her mailman busy........

[Barrymores Ghost]

330. Got it...thanks! n/t

[kdpeters]

340. You must be some sort of fascist.

Good lord, please don't put me in the position of having to defend this nutjob, but you are really stretching the circumstances here and advocating a remedy that takes an anvil to squash the fly. It's frightening, almost Bushian, how far over the top your prefered redress to this action goes. Please reel it in. It's a matter of principle, not partisanship.

[Barrymores Ghost]

341. Yeah. That's me. A fascist.

I'm sure that everything I've posted points to my belief that government and industry should be indiscernible, that nationalism -- uber alles -- is what America needs, that dictatorship is the mode of government I prefer, that the rule of the state trumps the needs of the individual, that I am afraid of foreign contamination, etc., etc., ad nauseum, ad infinitum...

Thanks for your thoughts.
:sarcasm:

[suston96]

343. The headline of this thread is a lie. Liz Trotta said no such thing.....

Please print exactly what she said.

"And now we have uh, what some are reading as a suggestion, that we knock off Osama, uh Obama.....".

She made no threat.

[Barrymores Ghost]

344. "Well, BOTH, if we could (laughter)!"

...sounds like wishful thinking done out loud, to me. Oh, and a really classy comparison of the two, lumping them together as a terrorist threat, just for good measure.

From the Huffington Post:

This from the Secret Service website: "The Secret Service is interested in legitimate information relating to threats, plans or attempts by individuals, groups or organizations to harm Secret Service protectees. However, the agency does not desire or solicit information pertaining to individuals or groups expressing legitimate criticism of, or political opposition to, the policies and decisions of the government or government officials."

The questions the Secret Service should be asking are: Were Liz Trotta and FOX News criminally negligent in using the public airwaves to suggest the assassination of a presidential candidate; Is the suggestion of political assassination an example of legitimate criticism; and, if the First Amendment doesn't allow one to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater or "Bomb!" on an airplane, how could it allow a public "joke" about assassinating a political candidate?

And what is the question the rest of us should be asking? How about, what kind of world are we creating for ourselves and our children where we allow our political divisions to become so deep that the suggestion or even the joke about a political assassination is in any way acceptable?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-seitzman/is-the-secret-service-inv_b_103565.html

[NeedleCast]

345. Good Lord

Hyperbole so over the top.

[Barrymores Ghost]

346. From HP:

Assassins throughout our history have repeatedly claimed to find their motivations in the media. John Hinckley claimed his attempted assassination of Reagan was because of his obsession with Jodie Foster, Mark David Chapman cited The Catcher in the Rye and the film Ordinary People as inspirations for his assassination of John Lennon, and Charles Manson claims his murders were a result of his twisted interpretation of The Beatles' "Helter Skelter."

While these so-called motivations are inexplicable to a healthy mind, it is foolish and naive not to accept as a terrifying fact that psychotics can and will be triggered by almost anything, which is why it's not only vulgar but completely reckless, irresponsible and bordering on criminal for those who comment on politics and political figures to say the kind of disgusting thing that Liz Trotta said. It's also, not incidentally, why the world pounced so quickly and decisively on Hillary Clinton's comments about the RFK assassination.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-seitzman/is-the-secret-service-inv_b_103565.html

***

If someone on CNN or MSNBC had made the same crack about our Little Freakish Prince presently occupying the White House, they'd have gotten a one-way ticket to Gitmo.

[Clovis Sangrail]

348. and that would have been wrong too... /nt

[and-justice-for-all]

349. Yeah, she qualifies....nt