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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 06:53 AM
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It's Deja vu all over again!
I think it was Yogi Berra that coined that phrase, but I am feeling it very strongly about the up comming election.

In 2000, I ran around like Chicken Little and I wasn't warning about the sky falling! I was worried that Bush was going to win because of his passion for campaigning, but folks were so sure Gore would win because he was so much smarter, etc.etc.etc.

Just look at how this week has played out. Kerry played right into the pretenders hands, when Bush threw down the gauntlet about Kerry's vote on the War.

Kerry's response was not the best, and it showed. I am sick to death about this election, and Kerry and company better revisit the 2000 election and figure it out soon, or all of us will lose.

Bush and Cheney are tag teaming Kerry and it ain't pretty.

I apologize for my attitude this morning, maybe I need a DU'er to slap me back into reality.


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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 07:08 AM
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1. When you're ahead and winning the battle

there's no point in getting into an argument with the opposition.

The economy is weak and the recovery is stagnating.

Iraq is still a quagmire.

The threat of terrorism from Al Queda is still there - probably worse - and OBL STILL hasnt been captured.

More and more scandals and slapdowns of executive actions by the courts.

And all Bush-Cheney can come up with is Stay The COurse and not a clue as to how they will change things.

I think many people are getting the point that Bush doesnt have a clue on his own and his administration power centers are incapable of admitting wrong and changing course.

Bush fatigue is gathering strength and people want a change. They will figure that, at worst, Kerry couldnt be any worse than Bush and is likely to be better.

There's time enough to confront these things in the debates when Bush is out there naked on his own without scripted campaign stops and selected groups.
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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 07:37 AM
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5. i think you are right..
Kerry is not engaging in this stuff...his popularity is growing in the polls..ALL Bush has is an attack mode campaign because he doesn't want to talk about how awful our country is right now...

I do have to see how much of his record he is going to mention in his speech...cuz I think its all gonna be about "turning a corner" instead of "the last 4 years have been a good 4 years"

they were all over Kerry's ass for not bringing up his stupid senate record...but how much do you wanna bet he won't bring up his PRESIDENTIAL record???

no worries...its a long road to November 3..just keep telling the truth...

People are MUCH more angry than they were in 2000...and We all know what GWB is about now...he can't run on promises...because some of the promises he made in 2000 are empty promises...

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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 07:13 AM
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2. Calm down.
There is a big difference between 2000 and now. A lot of people didn't know much about Bush in 2000. I don't know why people think its going to be a repeat of the same. Kerry has time to recover from his remarks. All Bush can do is continue the negative attacks because he's got nothing positive to say. Incumbents always campaign on their record. Bush has not. That's because his record stinks. This is not 2000. A lot of people know what Bush is about and they aren't happy.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 07:23 AM
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3.  a legislative vote from 2 years ago
is trivial compared to what is transpiring over in Iraq and how badly the results of that vote have been implemented.

In the ever inspiring words of *, "results matter." We've lost any hope of "winning the hearts and minds," by not having any respect for Iraqi culture, not abiding by the rule of law or the Geneva Conventions, creating 70% unemployment in one of the most educated and sophisticated cultures in the ME, killed, imprisoned, and tortured innumerable innocent citizens, lost nearly 1000, and maimed well over 6000 American soldiers.

And the stand off in Najaf around the Iman Ali shrine (one of the holiest sites for the Shia) is ready to blow. Alawi, a Sunni, (America's Saddam) was interviewed on ABC saying that American forces wouldn't attack the shrine but Iraqi forces would.
Al Sadr is rumored to be holed up in the shrine with 2000 followers. Are there even 2000 Iraqis who'd be wiling to fight for the occupation forces? Doubt it. I tremble to think of the global repercussions of martyring Al Sadr and his followers. America will pay dearly for this stupidity.

Results do indeed matter.

Just remember. . ."It's the incompetance, stupid."

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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 07:27 AM
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4. I can understand your feelings
Sometimes I share them. But truthfully, I think whatever it is, win or lose, it's not 2000 all over again. Bush has to defend a dismal record. It think Kerry is a much stronger candidate than Gore ever was. I don't mean that his policies would differ all that much from Gore, but I think he can make a case much better. The DNC is smarter and tougher. Kerry's remarks might not have resonated well this week, but I think he's crazy like a fox and there's probably some very good reasoning behind the things he's said. Keep in mind that the Bush camp has to change their message every time Kerry mocks it. Bush is trying to the same with Kerry, but I don't think it's going to work.

It's hard to keep the faith when it's so important and when events outside of our candidate's control are subject to such wild change. I'm trying, though and when I succeed it's by having a lot of faith in Kerry.
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