If Someone In Congress Supports Hillary, Should They Lose Their Seat?

[Dinger]

Would it be worth losing a seat as a matter of principle?

Edited to add this link:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-clintonblacks25-2008may25,0,2206514.story

[DrDan]

1. this is not even worth a vote - how juvenile

[LostinVA]

2. My sentiments exactly

[DrDan]

8. I don't think a lot of these posters will be happy until we have public floggings

for supporters of their opposition candidate

[LostinVA]

11. I just hope all these people leave after the primaries

The troublemakers seem to never post anywhere else on DU. They just contribute to the hostility. Nothing constructive here or on other topics.

[DemVet]

59. Be gone then.

[comradebillyboy]

77. then there will be maybe 20 people left

[Dinger]

14. That Is A Good Point Dr. Dan (nt)

[BlooInBloo]

17. I assumed the poster was a Clinton supporter, looking for something else to be a victim about.

EDIT: But no matter who the poster supports, it's a stupid poll.

[Dinger]

20. Don't You Ever Post A Poll Because You Want To Know What People Think?

Even if it is "stupid"?

[BlooInBloo]

22. Here's a list (incomplete) of things I don't need to make polls about:

Do you like stuff?

Do you think water is wet?

Do you vivisect kittehs?


There are more - that's just a sample.

[sniffa]

28. Standard fare

[BlooInBloo]

29. WOOT!!! I was right!

:rofl:

[ampad]

72. That is exactly what it is

Just more boo hoo and shit. It doens't really matter what folks think on this board in that regard. Hillary should be worried about her Senate seat period. I don't think those who support her should be worried about their own.

[Douglas Carpenter]

6. agree - down right ridiculous

[DrDan]

your sig line is interesting.

I lived in the middle-east for 4 years. And you cannot have a better and more loyal friend than an Arab. I wonder why this vilification ever started (actually - no I do not wonder about it - I know why.)

[hokies4ever]

47. I think you're misinterpreting the original message

although the author should have worded it better. This issue has been talked about before in the media, mainly from the perspective of whether or not black superdelegates supporting Hillary are feeling the pressure to switch to Obama from their constituents. Thus the question, should someone lose their seat in Congress. Should they stick to their guns supporting who they believe even if the backlash might result in losing their next election?

[Dinger]

53. Yeah, Something Like That

Wish I'd have worded it better.

[hokies4ever]

74. Lesson learned :-)

You definitely got flamed quite a bit. :rofl:

I commend you on your efforts though. :patriot: Always remember to dumb things down. Newspapers are written on a 5th grade level for a reason you know. People will make snap judgments and skewer you if your post even smells of something bad.

[Bluzmann57]

3. No offense, but that is a ridiculous suggestion

Hillary has been a good Senator. And we need a majority of Dems in the House and Senate. Now more than ever.

[Dinger]

7. Well, I Read This Thread Here, And That's Why I Posted The Poll

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3324706

It made me wonder if Obama supporters want discourse or not, and where, if anywhere, they draw the line.

[kwenu]

4. No, they shouldn't lose their seats on that basis. However, Hillary's exit is long overdue.

[DrDan]

9. oh - obama has hit the number then - I missed that

[kwenu]

30. It's not that Obama hasn't hit the number it's that Hillary WON'T hit the number.

[MaineDem]

5. Of course not! This is a Democratic Primary

Good Democrats supporting good Democrats. It happens all the time.

This is a ridiculous proposition.

[Dinger]

13. I Think It's Ridiculous Too,

but like I said earlier in this thread, I wanted to know what Obama (& Hillary) supporters thought. The answer is obvious as far as Hillary's supporters go, but not as obvious to Obama supporters. If his supporters want her and other Hillary supporters in Congress, then I am mistaken in my assumption.

[MaineDem]

19. Well I'm an Obama supporter and I respect Clinton supporters

I firmly believe most Democrats will unite behind our candidate whomever it is. I am thankful DU is not real world politics.

[LeftishBrit]

10. As I understand it...

the Dems have as narrow a majority in the senate as is possible - essentially 50.5 to 49.5, as Lieberman plays for both sides. So why on earth would you want to hand the senate over to the Right just to punish Hillary? You'd be punishing so many other people (those harmed by the Right) much more.

It's not up to me of course; but it just seems like the very definition of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

[Occam Bandage]

12. Only if their constituents believe so. Otherwise, no.

[WA98296]

33. RIGHT! They can consider my next vote an opinion on this and their DLC ties.

Inslee, Cantwell, and maybe even Murray....head's up. Many of us aren't happy.

[book_worm]

15. No.

[NeedleCast]

16. No

That's just silly.

[JVS]

18. If their constituents decide to take their seat from them for that reason, so be it.

[rucky]

21. They should also be waterboarded in front of their families, put in the stocks

in the middle of the town square and have rotten vegetables thrown at them.

[Seabiscuit]

23. Disgusting. Welcome to Ignoreland.

[hokies4ever]

76. See my post #47

I think that the author was misinterpreted because he poorly worded a legitimate question, which is should superdelegates vote their conscience even if their constituents disagree.

[City Lights]

24. Best to leave that to their constituents. nt

[rock]

25. Are you a Democrat?

I'm just asking.

[Dinger]

26. No Shit I'm A Democrat (nt)

[rock]

41. OK

I'll take your word for it.

[Clear Blue Sky]

27. Huh? That's silly.

If you don't like who your member of Congress supports, vote them out at the next election.

[Warren Stupidity]

31. fuck no?

no fucking way?

teh fail! It Hurts?

[highplainsdem]

32. It's obvious some Obama supporters are fanatical enough to agree.

It's also obvious that most of his supporters are rational. Thank God. And Obama himself is much more intelligent and reasonable than many of his supporters here.

But there does seem to be an Obamob, a subset of his followers, eager to go after political "heretics" and punish them. And the more obvious that attitude is, the less chance there is of a general election victory for our party. I can't believe Obama is happy about so many of his supporters doing all they can to antagonize Clinton's supporters.

[Warren Stupidity]

34. 33-8. "Obamob"?

real nice post there. The general reaction to the OP was "fail".

[BlooInBloo]

35. This would be a wonderful time for Skinner to peek at just who is doing the voting.

[highplainsdem]

37. And I made it clear that the fanatical ones showing a mob mentality are a subset,

and not all his followers.

I've distinguished in other posts between his rational followers and the irrational ones.

It bothers me that there were ANY votes in that poll in favor of punishing Hillary's supporters that way.

[BlooInBloo]

43. The votes are from Clinton supporters, faking victimhood.

[highplainsdem]

44. I guess you missed all the posts from Obama extremists who said they'd rather

lose the GE than have Clinton on the ticket as VP. The Obama supporters who announced the Democratic party doesn't need her supporters. The Obama supporters who said that Clinton supporters aren't "real" Democrats.

Maybe you can't see that subset of Obama supporters, but others can. And after reading all those comments, I find it very easy to believe they'd vote that Hillary's supporters in Congress should lose their seats.

[BlooInBloo]

45. Nice non-denial.

[highplainsdem]

50. I pointed out the irrationality of your argument. There is no reason to believe

the Yes votes come from Clinton supporters when a large subset of Obama supporters here have sounded irrational enough to vote Yes in this poll.

If it's embarrassing to you that anyone voted Yes, then did you disagree with all the Obama supporters who said earlier that they'd never vote for him if Clinton was on the ticket? Or with the Obama supporters saying Clinton supporters aren't "real" Democrats and a "purge" of the party is necessary?

[Warren Stupidity]

52. I am missing all the posts here in support of the purge.

Near as I can tell: there are no posters chiming up that they want all the Clinton supporters to lose their seats. All we have is 8 (as of now) anonymous 'yes' votes, which you have chosen, in shit stirring fashion, to call the 'Obamob'.

You have no proof and your response is telling: you attempt to change the subject.

[Dinger]

54. Oh C'mon Bloo

You know better than that.

[ClassWarrior]

66. Yeah, disruptors would never do something THAT despicable! Link...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6103961&mesg_id=6103961

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

70. Hilly's disruptors are polite, well-paid disruptors!

:eyes:

NGU.

[apocalypsehow]

81. Yep - exactly right. More bilge from the "boo-hoo Obama took my binky" crowd.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[WeDidIt]

82. I voted yes

because that was the closest choice to my choice which is to run candidates against them during the 2010 primaries.

[ClassWarrior]

36. If Someone In Congress Supports Obama, Should They Lose Their Seat?

That's why many of the freshmen Congresspeople are uncommitted SDs, from what I understand. They fear that if they voice their support for Obama, the HRC defenders will defect from their slim Dem base, thus throwing formerly RW districts back to the Rape-Publicans.

NGU.

[sniffa]

38. C'mon fellow Obama supporters!

Let's help feed the persecution complex. Vote yes!

[BlooInBloo]

40. Clinton supporters are doing that without our help.

[sniffa]

42. Eh, I voted yes

I don't believe that, but I don't want some DUers having to stop hammering the nails in their palms.

Let's give them the vote they're looking for so they can hurry up and make their post in the Hillgeon bemoaning the results.

[JVS]

62. I voted yes. I don't believe that HRC supporters in congress must be ejected per se...

but let's get down to the local level here. If a congressman or congresswoman is from a district that went 75% for Obama or some similar magnitude, those voters have every right to toss that congressperson out in favor of another Dem, and I really couldn't hold them at fault.

[sniffa]

64. I just want the follow-up thread to hurry up and get posted

I've got a busy day ahead - laundry and a trip to Ikea.

[JVS]

65. So what are you getting at Fürni?

[sniffa]

69. End table, lamp and Swedish meatballs

:9

I've never had them at Ikea before, so I hope they're good.

[WeDidIt]

39. They should defnitely be primaried in 2 years

if they continue to support her after Friday's opening of the wounds and this mornings' rubbing of the salt.

[Adelante]

46. Of course not

But it's always up to the voters in the district who they elect or reelect.

[Dinger]

56. That's The way I Look at It Too (nt)

[MrsT]

48. Absolutely not.

I hope you aren't serious.

[Doityourself]

49. Obama supporter here,,and I say Hell No! Not for just supporting her...

[blogslut]

51. I don't understand the connection to the article and your OP question

Maybe I skimmed it too quickly but I didn't see any reference in that article to anyone's elected office being threatened because of their support for Senator Clinton - except Senator's Clinton's.

[Dinger]

58. I Read It In A Thread Here, And To Me, It Begged My Question

And In know this is mainly an Obama forum, and I wanted to know what Obama supporters think. There have been many good replies here, and to me, it's interesting reading this thread. I'm kind of boring I guess.

[blogslut]

68. Hey, it's all good

No, I don't believe a person's elected office should be threatened simply because they support Senator Clinton. But then, elections should always be the result of the will of the people.

[LoZoccolo]

55. Yes, we will unseat all superdelegates who vote for Hillary. n/t

[JVS]

63. and feast on their gooey innards!

[newmajority]

57. That would be a decision for the voters of that congressional district.

But if they happen to be a corporatist warmongering DLC'er, I would hope they had a primary challenge from a real Democrat.

[Dinger]

61. How Often Is There A Primary Challenge To An Incumbent In Congress?

Sorry, but I plead ignorance here. Anyone know?

[BlooInBloo]

67. It happens regularly. Lieberman lost his and changed parties. We got Al Wynn out in MD.

[newmajority]

80. Al Wynn is the best example of how the Obama campaign is succeeding.

Wynn, a DLC DINO, defeated Donna Edwards in the 2006 primary, but Edawrds won this time around. The difference? New voters who Barack Obama brought into the process. And those new voters also made the difference in capturing Fat Bastert's seat in Illinois, and Trent Lott's old congressional seat in Mississipi.

The general mood of the country is probably more anti-incumbent right now than it has been in a long time, and deservedly so. All the Republicans deserve to be voted out of office, and sadly, so do a lot of so-called Democrats. Hopefully, the Democrats who need to go will be taken out in the primaries, so we can keep the seats.

[sniffa]

60. C'mon people, vote yes!

The follow-up thread(s) is being delayed.

[ContraBass Black]

71. Where is the option for "irrelevant?"

[Dinger]

73. In Your Mind (nt)

[saltpoint]

75. No. Voters, by district, decide their representation.

[sniffa]

78. Kick for more votes

:kick:

The Swedish meatballs were ok.

[CreekDog]

79. no no and no

Democrats for the White House, for the Senate and for the House of Representatives.

get them elected, we'll sort the good from the bad later. :banghead:

[mudesi]

83. Anyone still supporting Hillary at this point is part of the problem

No more conservative DLC corporate slime in the Democratic party, please.

[Dinger]

85. lynyrd I Am Not Conservative, Nor Am I Corporate Slime

And neither is Hillary Clinton.

[Pisces]

84. After the lastest Hillary gem, yes. She is beyond redeemable and anyone who holds power should

be of sound mind and body. You can not be of sound mind and still support this power hungry gollum.

[Blue-Jay]

86. Ridiculous.

[Oak2004]

87. No, it takes more than one bad vote to warrant losing one's seat

While Hillary has marched herself, in my mind, straight from admirable leader to public disgrace, I've cast a few votes in my life (rationalizing away all the warning signs that my chosen candidate was a disaster in waiting), that I've later wished I could change.

No, one act of stupidity doesn't warrant losing one's seat (unless, say, that act was suspending the Constitution and appointing Bush the next Caesar). It takes a pattern of stupidity and betrayal to warrant losing one's seat.

[ecstatic]

88. If they're voted out for that reason, they may have been doing a sh#tty job

and the Clinton support was just the straw that broke the camel's back? :shrug: