Clinton is wrong about 1992

[Hope And Change]

Clinton is wrong about 1992


by http://kos.dailykos.com/">kos

Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:30:06 AM PDT

By now, we now that Hillary Clinton will do or say anything in her mad pursuit of power. It's her only motivation at this point, trumping concerns about party unity, this fall's elections, and even her family's legacy. It's sad, no doubt.

But as much attention and outrage has been generated by the RFK references, I'm still ultimately more bothered by her willful and repeated distortions of truth. If one is so inclined, the RFK thing can be chalked up to her misspeaking. Whether you want to be that charitable to her or not and give her the benefit of the doubt, at least the possibility exists that she didn't mean to say what she said.

But her distortions on things like Obama's electability, her "only big states matter" b.s., her "small states don't matter" b.s., her "the only swing states are the ones I won primaries in" b.s., her "I'm winning the popular vote" b.s., her "I was for punishing Florida and Michigan and signed a letter to that effect, but now changed my mind because it's politically expedient" b.s., and her "Obama can't win states in the fall in which lost the primary" b.s. Her rank and willful dishonesty drives me up the wall, because while it may show that Clinton will do and say anything to win, it also shows that she'll use Karl Rove tactics to make it happen.

While everyone was rightfully focused on her assassination analogy, she was also http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5963">lying about 1992.

What she said:

My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right?

Reality:

The 1992 primaries ended on June 2, 1992, a day earlier than this year. Several states, including California, had primaries that day. It was not mid-June.

According to wikipedia: "Clinton effectively won the Democratic Party's nomination after winning the New York Primary in early April."

Clinton's chief rival was Paul Tsongas who dropped out of the race in mid-May, 1992.

According to polls, Clinton led in every remaining state except California where Jerry Brown was polling well (his home state). Brown was not going to catch Clinton for the nomination in any scenario.

From the May 11, 1992 New York Times: "Aides to Mr. Clinton say that in most of the remaining primaries he will ignore the former Governor of California, Edmund G. Brown Jr., and will try to give voters a clearer sense of his own personality and his positions on major issues, in preparation for a general election campaign against President Bush."

Add one more bullet item to this list -- in 1992, the first caucus, Iowa, took place February 10th, more than one month later than this year's January 3rd caucuses. Five weeks, in fact.

If Clinton wants to argue that she wants all the votes to be counted, that is a defensible position, but she's not really interested in waiting for the votes to be counted. She's hoping that she can scare or blackmail delegates into overruling the will of the electorate in all 50 states, DC, and the territories. Since the math has proved for months that she had already lost, arguing for all the contests to take place wouldn't make sense. So, like she has done for most of the campaign, she has to create an alternate reality to fit her spin.

Hillary isn't stupid. She knows all this. But it doesn't matter. I don't know about you guys, but after eight years of Bush rule, I'm sick and tired of politically expedient alternate realities.

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[thewiseguy]

1. Someone should ask Bill to clarify Hillary's remarks.

Her habit to exaggerate for political advantage is stunning.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

3. Noooooooo!

I can't take his crap any more than her B.S.

This is a fiasco and no amount of digging will get her out of that pit.

:kick:

[thewiseguy]

4. I dont believe Bill appreciates Hillary distorting his 92 run

[anigbrowl]

10. He doesn't care - that's what war stories are for. .nt

[tbyg52]

2. Thank you!

I love reality checks! :kick:

[Barrymores Ghost]

5. Exactly, and please see my post regarding this, and RFK's short primary run in '68

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6111215&mesg_id=6111215

[gabeana]

6. the last paragraph says it all

and its to her supporters on DU, what a joke the both of them

[Hope And Change]

7. ..

[Hope And Change]

8. Kick!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

9. she should know what her husband did?

oh but wait

[Mimosa]

11. Great REALITY CHECK

Just the facts, m'aam. LOL

[Garbo 2004]

12. NYT 3/20/92: Tsongas Abandons Campaign, Leaving Clinton A Clear Path Toward Showdown With Bush

March 20, 1992
THE 1992 CAMPAIGN: Primaries; TSONGAS ABANDONS CAMPAIGN, LEAVING CLINTON A CLEAR PATH TOWARD SHOWDOWN WITH BUSH
By ROBIN TONER,

Former Senator Paul E. Tsongas of Massachusetts withdrew from the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination today, a decision that many in his party said all but insured the selection of Gov. Bill Clinton of Arkansas.

Mr. Tsongas announced his departure at a news conference in Boston, where he said his campaign did not have enough money to continue. His move leaves only former Gov. Edmund G. Brown Jr. of California to compete with Mr. Clinton in the remaining primaries and caucuses in 21 states.

Without adequate money to win, Mr. Tsongas said, "the alternative was to play the role of spoiler." 'That Is Not Worthy'

"That is not what I'm about," he continued. "That is not worthy. I did not survive my ordeals in order to be the agent of the re-election of George Bush." < Excerpts, page A14. >

Mr. Clinton is already close to the halfway mark in the number of delegates needed to win the nomination and has a 7-to-1 edge over Mr. Brown, who is running a maverick, anti-establishment campaign. Many Democrats said that barring an unexpected collapse by Mr. Clinton's campaign, it is difficult to see how Mr. Brown can overtake the Governor.

"It certainly brings it much closer to a conclusion," said Ronald H. Brown, the Democratic national chairman. "You could argue that it's theoretically possible for Jerry Brown to mount a come-from-behind challenge, but the math and the reality of Bill Clinton's momentum certainly work against him."

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE0DE1F3FF933A15750C0A964958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print

[mod mom]

17. I wish someone in media would call her out on this. She's gotten so many passes by

playing the victim.

As a woman, I am offended how she represented her failures in this campaign as sexist attacks against her personally. It is really too bad that the first serious woman contender wasn't an admirable, honest woman instead of someone who would rather spin and parse words in attempt to get ahead. It was shameful. She surrounded herself by the lowest common denominator-Penn, Wolfson and McAuliffe. He allowed her husband, a former admired Democratic president to adopt rovian smears that helped divide the party and forever tainted his legacy. I only hope this destruction will spread to other DLC members and they fade away from the party.

[kevinmc]

13. Hillary is a great story teller ..... she should write fiction novels. n/t

[Tinksrival]

14. I would like to kick this

[Skrelnick]

15. She is a pathological liar and then patronizes those who call her out

Just like Dubya.

Say anything...lie, lie, lie, distort....then deny, deny, deny and patronize the critic: "No, you've got it all wrong, ignorant citizen. It is YOUR fault for misinterpreting what I said! But hey, I'm sorry....sorry that you were so stupid you misinterpreted me!!"

[mod mom]

16. Yes, this was brought up on KO last night as well-an convenient lie, like so many others.

What I don't understand is why these obviously lies don't seem to bother her supporters.