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The Political Jerk Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:36 AM
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Obama should defend Clinton. It's the gracious thing to do.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 11:39 AM by The Political Jerk
There is no need to punch someone who is already down. He should give her a hand up instead.

It's the right thing to do. And I think Obama will do it.

Would Clinton do it, if the shoe was on the other foot? Probably not, but that is not the point.

It's time for Obama to demonstrate, once again, why he is better than her.

-The Political Jerk

Edited to fix some bad grammar.
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:38 AM
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1. You started off okay
But I am really tired of these "he's better than her" "she's better than him" comments, as if this is an Olympic sport.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:39 AM
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2. Obama has been more than gracious already.
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:40 AM
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3. What?
he is proving himself better than her by staying out of it.
period...

She dug the hole.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:41 AM
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4. Nope. The Obama campaign should just keeps its distance.
They don't have to defend her or attack her over this. She has done all the damage all on her own and will have to do the damage control on her own as well. The Obama campaign has reached out multiple times to try to bring this mess to a graceful unifying conclusion, and Clinton won't go there. There is nothing left to do.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:44 AM
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14. From a practical standpoint, either way is fine. They've run a stellar campaign so far...
I don't expect that to change anytime soon.
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chitty Donating Member (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:41 AM
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5. You mean the way she
defended him during the "bitter" period?

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The Political Jerk Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:42 AM
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8. This is my point. The time for "tit for tat" is over.
The race is over. A winner shakes hands.

-The Political Jerk
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:07 PM
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38. Until she drops out he can't claim victory, so I don't think he should involve...
himself in her troubles at this time.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:09 PM
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41. As soon as *Hillary* acknowledges the race is over,
*then* I agree.

I don't see any need to shake hands when one party still thinks the fight is on. He's staying out of it, and that's gracious enough for me.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:42 AM
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6. He didn't pile on,
unlike what Hillary has done at every opportunity. Expecting more is pretty unrealistic.

He's taken the high road here by not commenting anymore. She should be grateful for that.
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The Political Jerk Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:44 AM
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15. Why not take it further? Defend her. How will it harm him?
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:47 AM
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22. lol
Edited on Sat May-24-08 11:48 AM by Blue_Roses
oh, I'm sure Hillary in her own tacky way would find a way to say something stupid.

Axelrod came out yesterday saying they knew it was no big deal, so to speak, and it's over. Obama doesn't have to bow to her.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:47 AM
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23. Ummm, how would it *help* him?
His camp called the comments "unfortunate" and that was actually quite graceful. Nothing else needs to be said by him.

She, on the other hand, owes Obama an apology. I'm not holding my breath.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:25 PM
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49. Why fucking bother?
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:42 AM
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7. He has catered to her.....
.....defended her, been gracious to a fault. So, by the way, has the Democratic Party as whole, for that matter. I have never seen so much pussyfooting, kid glove treatment and sugar blowing (you know where) towards any losing Candidate as I have seen this time..... What more could one want?
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:48 AM
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24. Couldn't have said it better!
This time she is on her own!
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:43 AM
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9. Best thing for Obama to do
is Pretend it never happened.

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:43 AM
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10. He should let her swallow this stone
Enough with the good grace.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:44 AM
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11. "Defend" Hillary? What planet are you living on?
Edited on Sat May-24-08 11:44 AM by L0oniX
:crazy:
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:44 AM
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12. Why? She didn't waste any time jumping on his small town comment
Edited on Sat May-24-08 11:44 AM by BrentTaylor
she couldn't wait to score political points
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The Political Jerk Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:47 AM
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20. Right. Hillary's bad. But Obama's Good. So Defend Her!
I won't think any less of him if he doesn't. But it seems like the right thing to do.
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digidigido Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:04 PM
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35. Think of this
Hillary is in this thing purely for power. either she gets the power of the presidency, or negotiates her agenda to drop out.
Right now, Obama is wise to let her swing in the wind so he has more power in the negotiations. She got herself into this
mess, and it would be one thing if her goals were for the good of the republic, but let's not get confused. HRC's goals
are for the benefit of HRC and her interests. The Clintons have made $50 mil since Bill left the presidency. His business
dealings have been questionable as were his pardons of Mark Rich et al. Obama needs Hillary, but Hillary needs to repair
her legacy too. The more she damages it carrying on like this, the more she needs him and his graciousness. She's dug her
hole, if she wants a ladder out she can damn well ask for it nicely.
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:44 AM
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13. A generous, but calculating, thought. Any other time I'd agree, but this is beyond the pale.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:45 AM
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16. From smear campaign to "gracious" one
At any rate, the Obamas will lap it up.
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:46 AM
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17. I agree, no need to kick her when she's down...but he does't need to help her up, either.
I suspect some of the HRC supporters on DU would say "she doesn't need his help!"
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:46 AM
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18. He should also defend her for the Zimbaw comments!
Edited on Sat May-24-08 11:46 AM by thewiseguy
She does not need a hand. She needs to get the F out and find her voice.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:46 AM
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19. If Clinton needs to be "defended" by Obama for saying something stupidly outrageous...
... then she has no f'n business running for President.

The Obama camp has handled this gracefully, by staying out of the fray and choosing only to call her comments "unfortunate." Once again, the Obama campaign looks presidential, while the Hillary camp retreats into their now-predictable Victim Stance.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:47 AM
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21. Clinton does THIS shit and you suggest it's ANOTHER HOOP for Obama to jump through?
give me a fucking break
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The Political Jerk Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:50 AM
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25. I'm not saying he has to do anything.
But it is a chance to elevate himself. I would consider it a missed opportunity if he didn't.

-The Political Jerk
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:59 AM
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33. Axelrod stated unequivicolly it was an innocent gaffe
If asked Obama will repeat this precisely

nothing ELSE needs to be said
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ebdarcy Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:50 AM
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26. I have to disagree.
I think he and his surrogates need to stay away from it. They're not piling on. And that's more than she should expect, and definitely more than she deserves. There is no need to help her. And I gotta say, there probably is no desire to help her. I can't imagine either Barack or Michelle are happy with her comments, especially after her non-apology. It's best to let this situation just sort itself out. There is really nothing he can say that will help her. The people who are pissed aren't going to stop being pissed just because he defends her.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:51 AM
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27. The official campaign statement was far more gracious than she
deserves. They should remain silent on the issue after that.
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remember2000forever Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:54 AM
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29. I Agree
The Best Way To Diss Someone Is To Ignore Them. Obama was onward and upward to P.R without skipping a beat. Very Presidential In My Book.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:53 AM
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28. All these post suggesting *the wrong thing* is really *the right thing*
Hillary's comment was horribly wrong. Obama need not, but more than that, should not reward her or excuse it.


Nor should he, simply for expedience, reward or excuse MI and FL for their very blatant, in-your-face wrongdoing wrt to the primaries.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:55 AM
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30. He doesn't need to defend her
Just ignore her
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:55 AM
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31. Obama should defend Clinton? Then what would you say -
he's implying she's weak and being sexist? Give me a break.
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The Political Jerk Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:00 PM
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34. I am by no means a Clinton supporter
But the race is over. It's time to be nice, even when you don't have to be.

-The Political Jerk
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:58 AM
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32. Absolutely not. She made the bed again and again
She needs to be out there on her own and let this thing get pounded into her with no defense from anyone. This is the last fucking straw for me and I hope she fucking burns for it. How dare she even bring that word up, she's like a goddamned vulture waiting for something bad to happen to Obama.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:06 PM
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36. No, he is ENTITLED to sit back and watch her self-inflicted implosion.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:06 PM
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37. You must understand that he wants to defend her
I guarantee you that Obama's campaign already has a forgiveness memo drafted and Obama has a paragraph or two to add into his next stump speech. However, they're waiting for Hillary to apologize to Obama before Obama accepts her apology publicly. It's really that simple. His campaign is waiting for Hillary to apologize to Obama so that he can accept her apology and ask people to move on the important issues. Hillary's ego and pride keep her from cooperating and she just won't apologize to him.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:13 PM
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43. Good point.
He can't accept an apology that hasn't been offered.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:21 PM
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45. Agreed
And the sad thing is that everybody knows that Obama isn't going to try to make political hay on this issue. He's clearly shown that he doesn't want to tear her down over these kinds of things. As soon as Hillary apologizes to Obama he will forgive her publicly and beg everybody to come back to the issues.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:24 PM
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48. Very good! I wouldn't have thought of that angle -- it IS a logical tack to take. (nt)
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:07 PM
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39. A part of me is inclined to think that way, but another part says to do would give Hillary....
...some foolish hope to cling to.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:08 PM
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40. No. He should let her deal with it, and if asked say "unfortunate comments."
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:11 PM
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42. I think he should just tell his supporters " Thank You , ..........
But enough is enough I've let her coments go I pray you do too.....
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:13 PM
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44. Absolutely, yes. A good leader unites. A good man forgives.
But a smart man doesn't forget.
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The Political Jerk Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:46 PM
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51. This is it! Exactly!
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:22 PM
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46. He, at least, is smart enough to know that no threat or incitement was intended...
...and it would be gracious--even presidential--of him to squelch this non-story. He's supposed to oppose distractions, after all.
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:23 PM
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47. Nah, just don't pile on.
But she surely deserves to twist in the wind.
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:26 PM
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50. Nope. He shouldn't...instead being seeing as gentlemanly, he'll be seen as soft and weak...
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:49 PM
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52. Accept the apology, maybe. But defend what she said?
Edited on Sat May-24-08 12:51 PM by AngryOldDem
No. Hell no. Oh hell, no.

On edit: And I think this is a much more acceptable alternative. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6110908
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