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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:12 AM
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Yes, Hillary will still be campaigning in June. And August. It will never end.
Yeah, yeah. Hillary will still be campaigning in June. That's only one week away.

And she's made it clear she's taking this to Denver in August.

Do you really think she'll quit if she loses? I mean, officially loses?

No.

She'll be drowned out by the general election campaigning by McCain and Obama, but she'll still be pounding the drum. She'll capture every photo op possible (even if that means *gag* campaigning for Obama).

And she'll fire up the machine again in December. Get ready for yet another 4 full years of Hillary Clinton campaigning for president.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:14 AM
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1. They'll probably finally have to bring out the straight jacket when she is clawing
at the podium next January, as Obama recites his oath of office.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:18 AM
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She's not certifiably psychotic . . . as far as I know
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:48 AM
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30. She is certainly not advocating Obama's assassination... as far as I know
No more Bushes or Clintons!
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:17 AM
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2. NOPE ! It's all over on June 4th. Obama will have the delegates, and it's ALL OVER !
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:18 AM
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5. That day can't come too soon!
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:20 AM
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6. That fact will not slow her down.
She'll continue to raise the bar and shift the goal posts.

In her mind, the fat lady will never sing.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:27 AM
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16. Never say never
There comes a point where the pain of being universally dismissed as irrelevant and basically a boil on the ass is greater than the pain of giving up your life-long ambition. Most of us would have thought that crossover point would have been a month ago when she was eliminated for all practical purposes. Evidently we underestimated the size of that blind ambition.

But at this point, if she wins 50 of the remaining 86 PDs, she still has to win over 196 of the remaining 208 superdelegates. So the point of absolute elimination is about 12 superdelegates, and there are almost that many Pelosi Club SDs. Any normal, sane person would pull out at this point so that she could at least claim that she did it on her own terms and acted for the good of the Party. But it seems she is determined to sink deeper into shame. Fuck her. She's irrelevant now.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:30 AM
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20. We keep waiting for someone to lance that boil.
Please??!!!
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:54 AM
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33. I agree.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:17 AM
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3. That's silly. nt
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Blondbostonian Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:18 AM
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4. It'as almost over
The endorsement by US Rep. Dennis Cardoza (D-California) of Obama today sends an extremely firm message to the Clinton campaign, and not only because he was, until today, a Clinton superdelegate.

The Field has learned that Cardoza is the first of a group of at least 40 Clinton delegates, many of them from California, that through talking among themselves came to a joint decision that all of them would vote for Obama at the convention. They have informed Senator Clinton that it’s time to unite around Obama, and that they will be coming out, one or two at a time, and announcing their switch between now and the convention if Senator Clinton doesn’t do the same.

Cardoza is one of the leaders of this effort (which includes not only superdelegates, but here’s something that should set off some paranoia in Camp Clinton: there are pledged Clinton delegates in “The Cardoza 40,” too). One Field Hand reports that during a recent Cardoza fundraising event in California the effort was discussed openly in front of other Democrats. Cardoza’s announcement, today, sent the message that the effort is serious and for real.

This is not “excellent news for Hillary Clinton.”

An exodus of 40 delegates from Clinton to Obama, mathematically, increases his lead by 80 delegates, because she loses one for every one he gains.

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:24 AM
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12. But, that's not official, right?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:20 AM
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8. We'll see.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:20 AM
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7. I don't believe the Super Delegates will allow this to be taken to the convention /nt
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:22 AM
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10. We were told they would "end it" after Obama achieved half the elected delegates. Didn't happen.
She toned down her rhetoric briefly after West Virginia, but she's cranking it up again.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:26 AM
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14. I think they are waiting for the primaries to end officially. We shall see soon enough
I share your skepticism however.

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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:53 AM
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32. Some people are saying that the remaining ones are ...
... mostly party hacks (who always try to steer clear of offending anybody because they are trying to keep career opportunities as open as possible) and those elected Democrats of the invertebrate type who have made a career by not taking any solid position on anything.

That is why they are still undecided. They are always looking for the safest place to be. In very short order, the safest place to be will be in the declared-for-Obama camp, because they will start to stand out in a really big way -- a negative way -- and they can't handle that. In other words, the tipping point is only a few days away for them.

There are also a fair number of delegates that are uncommitted because they are add-ons that simply have not been named yet.

It is an obtuse, ugly process. We just have to be patient for a few more days and this will be completely out of Hillary's hands.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:29 AM
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19. It IS happening.
After you account for the Pelosi Club SDs, we are now in single digits of SDs that Obama needs in order to mathematically eliminate her without FL and MI. And just a few more are needed to eliminate her if there is some reasonable compromise on MI and FL.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:22 AM
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9. Hillary will be lead out the door if she refuses to leave
I don't want to see her tar and feathered and carried out on a rail.

I hope she has the grace to see what a sad state her campaign has fallen into.

Yet party leaders and SuperD's can end it tomorrow if they wanted. And if she continues to humiliate herself (from exhaustion more than anything) somebody needs to have the courage to knock on her campaign's door and show her the way out.

Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Al Gore? Time to do what's best for the party, even if Hillary and Bill are unable to see the forest for the trees.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:23 AM
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11. Lead out the door? By who? Who has the nads big enough to do that?
Dean? Pelosi? Reid? Gore? Carter?>

If they try to "lead her out the door" they'll all get a prompt "fuck off," as they should.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:24 AM
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13. Only Hillary is so equipped.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:28 AM
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17. She takes this to the convention, she will be finished in the Democratic party /nt
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:31 AM
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21. She is already finished, May 31 when the DNC rules fairly will be the last nail.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:33 AM
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25. Better yet, enough SuperD's get off their ass to make the May 31st outcome moot.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:35 AM
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26. I think after the last primary is done, the Super Delegates will make it clear /nt
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:14 AM
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31. Hm. Maybe. There's political capital in being early. There's also capital in being the key vote.
I get the impression that the Super Ds are playing this for their own benefit, whatever that might be.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:32 AM
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24. If Hillary wants to drag the party through a morass till August...
She will face proverbial lynch mobs at every turn.

"Fuck off" will feel like a compliment.

Despite her reckless comment yesterday, I still think she can leave now and salvage some political capital. But if she goes beyond the second week in June, I think she will be on her own facing a hostile crowd --- that only gets worse.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:42 AM
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28. I'd be in favor of not seeing either her or Bill anywhere near the podium at the convention
I wonder how that is looking. Normally a person that came in a close second would be welcomed to the podium to give a gracious, uplifting speech.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:26 AM
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15. People have already stopped paying attention to her.
She can campaign as long as she wants; she'll just become a sideshow.
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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:28 AM
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18. She is serious need of psychiatric help.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:31 AM
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22. What form of mental illness is it to believe that the nation just cannot live without you
at the helm--and that surely, any day now, the little people will wake up and grasp that fact, and put you into your rightful place of power? Is it narcissism, delusions of grandeur, Napoleonic complex? The shrinks will have a good case study when this is over, that's for sure.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:40 AM
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27. Hillatosis
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Dancing bolt Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:32 AM
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23. I think she won't take it to July.
June will be the end.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:47 AM
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29. That would be wonderful, but she is making no indications that will be the case.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:01 PM
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34. The whole thing should be over in 10 days
The committee meets on May 30, I believe. Unless they give her a deal that is really unexpected, that should put an end to the FL and MI reason for staying in the campaign. Then 4 days later the last of the primaries is over, and more than enough SDs will commit right after that to end it whether or not Hillary withdraws.

She can keep campaigning if she wants, but she will get the same treatment that Huckabee gets. I can't imagine why she would want to end her national political career on that note, but I've stopped trying to make any sense out of the woman.

I'm coming to understand why so many Republicans despise her. And I can now more easily see why she failed so miserably when she tried to pass health care reform. She is not a pragmatic or reasonable person. You cannot lead a change like that when you are so self-absorbed.

I think we are going to really see a big difference with President Obama. Many of us are old enough to remember when the two parties were able to work together on 75% of the issues without big conflicts. Today's polarized climate, which the Clintons played a big role in creating, is really bad for America. I look forward to a period of leadership where our politicians work for Americans instead of their Party's own narrow interests.
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