To all the Obama supporters, I have a question. Just suppose, for just a minute

[Democrat 4 Ever]

that Obama picks Hillary as his VP running mate. I'm NOT saying he should, is even considering it, but what IF he did? The hatred by the Obama supporters for any and all things Clinton seems to be beyond the pale. Could you still support Obama then? What that be a fatal flaw to your candidate? Would you question is motives, his reasoning, his sanity for picking someone you guys obviously think is unsuited for any position anywhere on the planet.

I have admitted numerous times I'm a Hillary supporter, hope she gets the nomination but if she doesn't I will support Obama. Period, no waffling or wavering of any kind. But the people who absolutely hate Hillary, can you still support Obama if she is on the ticket?

[shadowknows69]

1. I would question his judgement at that point.

[CaptJasHook]

38. Bingo

I would still vote for the Democratic ticket. No problem there. However, she would be poison on the ticket and for four years to come.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

77. it would drive rational thinkers away. because

such a move on his part would take away the best of what he represents. Picking her would be insane. Why put a monster in your house, if there is a perfectly good zoo nearby?

[Youphemism]

85. Yes, but only blackmail will get her on the ticket.

I'd vote for him with her on the ticket... I would even have voted for her if she'd won, just because it's so important not to let the Republicans win this year. But they might have had to clean vomit from the booth before the next person could vote.

If she gets on the ticket, though, it will only be because she blackmailed her way there. And it would be a liability, because she substantially undermines his message of change.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

78. it would drive rational thinkers away. because

such a move on his part would take away the best of what he represents. Picking her would be insane. Why put a monster in your house, if there is a perfectly good zoo nearby?

[PoliticalAmazon]

53. ITA. After Hillary's assassination shout-out, I would reconsider his SANITY. n/t

[JoFerret]

72. He's not Lincolnesque then

OK. No problem.

[WillyToad]

75. It is all about their egos...

This is what happens when you live in a 'yes man' culture where everyone who doesn't agree with you is driven away.

Hate does odd things to a persons sense of judgement.

[LakeSamish706]

2. I would seriously question his judgment, most especially after her comments of yesterday. n/t

[DaLittle Kitty]

25. Obama Would Demonstrate NOBALLs and Would of Course Be History! Throw "CHANGE" in Toilet!

:puke:

[MannyGoldstein]

3. I'd Have To Seriously Rethink Things

Don't know what the result would be... I'd rather not dwell on such things unless I have to.

[glowing]

4. I think she effectively sealed any bargaining tools she may have had

previously...

[Bucky]

5. I would question his marketing skills. It would be a dumb move

There's plenty of ways to heal the rifts in the party without rewarding the Vice Presidency to a candidate who can't handle the pressure of an intense national campaign.

[DaLittle Kitty]

27. John Edwards IS ... THE ONLY CHOICE TO GUARANTEE WIN IN 2008! Anyone else KILLS DOWNTICKET!

Just Da Facts!

[Arkana]

37. I'm inclined to agree, but I think Edwards has already said he has

no interest in a second go-round at the No. 2 spot.

[Meshuga]

6. It would be stupid not to support the ticket

just because of overly emotional bullshit. I would support the ticket and do what is possible not to allow McCain to win in November.

People who get outraged is because they are too into it. Relax take a chill pill and do the right thing which is to avoid another failed Republican administration.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

12. Thanks for your replies. I was honestly wondering if Obama supporters

could (would) look past the animosity of the primaries and look to the general election. Is even the word Clinton too nasty to even be used in polite society?

I'm not advocating Obama pick Hillary, in fact I don't think it would be a good idea. Several of you said you would have to question is thinking, etc. Does that mean you would actually consider voting for the rethugs? Really? Is she so repugnant that it would drive you to the other side? Because, as the game is played right now, that is your only viable option.


Edit for typos gremlins!

[Why Syzygy]

83. Third party or not voting are options too. I would never vote for McClone.

[Meshuga]

90. I am confused to whether you are old enough or have bad memory

But doesn't Nader and the 2000 election come to mind? Can't you see how harmful it is to vote for a third party if you don't want a McCain White House?

[beezlebum]

35. it's not "overly emotional bullshit"

or do you think repeated threats and innuendo are nothing to get worked up over? these are the things that preclude serious and dangerous events.

i rarely get "outraged," and i've seen quite a lot of poutrage. i got irritated with the rev wright thing, and with the ABC "debate" thing, and with flag pin gate, and with bittergate. i was not furious at clinton for snipergate, and understood those calling it "valor theft," but i did not turn into a wearwolf and scream from the hilltops how wrong she was.

but this is beyond offensive. this isn't just dirty politics, and negativity- this is profoundly creepy and alarming. if you can't even admit she was way out of line, you are missing something.

and to answer the OP- i would seriously question obama's judgment after this incident, and with respect to his "change" mantra, i'd question my ability to trust him, which i have already been reluctant to do.

i would write in kucinich or edwards if hillary became the VP pick, but i seriously doubt this is a scenario that obama's people are even going to play with at this point.

[Meshuga]

52. She was out of line and should apologize

I am not arguing otherwise. The Clintons have lost a lot of points with me this year. However, you are a perfect example of the overly emotional type to a point where you seem to prefer a McCain administration over a hypothetical Obama/Clinton.

I certainly don't want to see this ticket. I would love see Obama pick someone else. But it would be dumb to help them lose.

[beezlebum]

64. i never fucking said i perfer mccain over clinton- YOU are out of line

it is quite one thing to VOTE mccain, and even a sit out vote might be reason to accuse me of such, but a write in is NOT preferring/voting mccain.

[Meshuga]

68. It is not what you say

It is what you claim you would do if Obama chooses Clinton as a running mate. A democrat not voting for the democratic nominee is aid to McCain.

[Why Syzygy]

84. If someone feels there's no difference

between Her and McClone, what's the difference. Nothing. She fits better on McClone's ticket. He's her favorite.

I would hate her even more if she squirms her way onto the ticket.

[Meshuga]

89. I don't want her on the ticket either

But let's be reasonable here. There is a lot of difference between HRC and McCain. People hate her so much because of the emotional baggage from this primary season. People get too much into it and come to these type of conclusions. The same goes with the HRC supporters who see Obama as this evil man whom they cannot vote for in November. It is just silly.

[Why Syzygy]

92. I agree, don't get the "evil man" persona. I write it off to delusion.

This is how I came to it. When the primary season FIRST started firing up, I knew there was one person I DID NOT want to see nominated. HRC. I like Kucinich, of course, and chose Bill Richardson as my favorite. He still is. My feelings for Her did not begin with her run this time. The Clinton's cozy situation with the Cabal always set wrong with me. Those people are our ENEMIES. Her behavior the past months have just proved (again) that my judge of character is usually spot on.

[Meshuga]

95. Hillary lost a lot of people in this election

Her behavior made her lose a lot of credibility and she has only herself to blame.

[DevonRex]

7. I will support the ticket no matter what. nt

[populistdriven]

8. I would think he has a deathwish, just like this cute puppy

[uponit7771]

9. if he took proper precautions such as putting her on the other side of earth, then yeah

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

48. "In a surprising development, Number One Observatory Circle has been barged to India."

:wow:

[Medusa]

10. FUCK that.

She doesn't deserve any consideration. She's shown absolutely none to him so why should he show any to her? And I damn sure wouldn't trust her as my VP. She's Lady MacBeth.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

16. But please address the "what if he did" put her on the ticket.

I'm not advocating, suggesting or even hoping that he does. I've stated up thread I don't think it is a good idea. But what IF he and his advisers decided that this would help heal the riff in the Democratic Party, could you support it?

And people who suggest she is Lady MacBeth are just continuing the hatred.

[Medusa]

Hillary started the hatred the minute she uttered those words

And no I could not support it. I would vote for him but I would immediately stop giving money to the Obama campaign. She deserves absolutely no consideration at all from this point forward. Nor do her enablers who still believe she's fit to have a leadership role in our party.

[DaLittle Kitty]

29. LAst Night Demonstrated Her Utter Disregard For ANYONE/ANYTHING... but.. HERSELF!

TOTAL :puke:

[MH1]

11. EASY: McInsane is worse than either.

I would seriously wonder what I am missing in this picture, if O picked her for VP. But I certainly know one thing: I don't know everything.

I would still wholeheartedly support Obama to win in November. It's obvious and there is no thought process required.

[TexasObserver]

13. I'm old school. The nominee picks his VP, and we all get behind it.

I would be shocked if he chose Hillary, but if he does, I'm still on board. I will conclude he has figured out a way to muzzle her and Bubba.

[TBF]

14. If you think that will happen after yesterday you have not been paying attention

Let's suppose you were running for president with a big lead, OP. Your rival made vague references to assassinations when asked about why he/she was still in the race. Would you pick him/her to be your right-hand person? There are millions of people in this country. Obama is surely smart enough to pick one that doesn't secretly harbor feelings of ill will towards him (or after yesterday, not so secretly).

[Democrat 4 Ever]

21. I don't think it is possible. I don't think it is even a good idea.

But if Obama made her his VP could you still support him? I guess I'm questioning the difference between the support of Obama and the hatred of Hillary. How strong are you an Obama supporter that you will stand by his decisions no matter how wrong you might think they be?

[TBF]

45. During a campaign the voters judge who would make the best president. If he picks her for a VP that

shows really bad judgment and yes it would be something I'd have to think about in overall assessment of his capabilities, skill set, and judgment.

Let's think about this rationally. Obama has basically been ignoring Hillary the past few weeks. Does his own thing, quietly campaigning and racking up his delegate lead. My best guess on this situation is that she is acting out in order to get his attention. I don't believe he has offered her the VP slot - I believe he is just continuing to ignore her until she goes away. He'll continue to ignore, and she'll act out even more or she will have to gracefully exit.

Obama is not stupid. He's seen the math. All he has to do is sit back and wait.

[Catherina]

80. It's not a personality thing with Obama. If he accepts HRC as his VP

I'll lose all respect for his movement to change things and will have to rethink my support.

My loyalty is to his agenda for change, not his personhood.

[burythehatchet]

15. no

[B Calm]

17. Many believe Kennedy was assassinated by VP Johnson. . .

[Hippo_Tron]

60. And those people haven't a shred of evidence to prove that

Just absurd speculation bout how Kennedy was a threat to the military industrial complex even though he really wasn't.

[mckeown1128]

18. I would still support the ticket...

but I would be disappointed in Obama for doing something so stupid. She adds nothing to the ticket and even hurts the ticket somewhat.

[WeDidIt]

19. There is absolutely no possibility he'll pick her as veep. NONE

One cannot ever pick somebody as one's vice president if that somebody has publicly specluated on one's assassination.

[Pab Sungenis]

20. No.

If I can be convinced that his hands were tied, then maybe I'd vote for him, but I'd do it on the write-in line with Kathleen Sibelius or Bill Richardson as my VP choice. I can't cast a vote that would go to her under any circumstances any more.

[Renaissance Man]

22. Voting.

Of course I'd vote for him. It would be a vote for him -- NOT for HER or her despicable politics.

[Midwest_Doc]

23. It would damage Obama ...

... and harm the ticket.

[NorthCarolina]

24. Its obvious that the GOP tactic now is

to push for Hillary as VP. If they can't have have her at the top of the Dem ticket, having her ON the ticket as VP to energize their base of Clinton haters is FAR better than not having her on the ticket at all.

[quaker bill]

26. it would be entirely

out of character as generally his moves have been more politically astute. However, if the party decides that Obama/Clinton is the ticket, I will support it. I was not too thrilled by the selection of Holy Joe-mentum in 2000. Nor was I particularly optimistic about Kerry in 2004. However, I worked hard for both campaigns. I expect I would do the same this time around.

[CreekDog]

28. i hate Bush, not Clinton

i get angry at Clinton much as I would against a member of the family who really disappointed me.

that's the difference. Hillary is not my enemy but she is not acting like a friend to the Democrats, something I would expect from any Democrat in the primary.

[Lady-Damai]

30. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN! HE ALREADY SAID NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6074987&mesg_id=6074987

[Democrat 4 Ever]

32. Jeez, calm down. I'm not saying he will, what I'm trying to determine is

how strong your support of Obama actually is and not just the alternative because of some supporters hatred of Hillary. Do you trust your candidate? Do you trust his decisions, could you still support him if he did chose Hillary? If this was decided by his team that this was the best thing for the general election for the Democratic Party, that this is what is needed to win in November. I'm not saying any of that is TRUE - just wondering if it is a deal breaker for some people.

Again, I don't think he should or will and I don't want Hillary as a VP candidate but how deep does this riff go?

[liberalcommontater]

31. Yes, of course.

[texas_indy]

33. Ain't gonna happen, so why even think about it. HRC is pure poison and Obama isn't that stupid. ..

[CreekDog]

34. being a Democrat absolves the candidate of any fatal flaw

i would vote for a yellow dog if it was the Democrat this fall, even if it was Hillary.

i will not let my anger get in the way of voting to advance my ideals and Hillary is closer to those than any Republican that could be running against her in the fall.

[Mooney]

36. I would think that she would be a drag on the ticket and not much else.

My opposition to the idea of nominating HRC has always been that I simply don't think she can get elected. I think she would be a drag on a ticket if she were the VP nominee as well. So it would affect my view of Obama only in the sense that it would reveal him to be less savvy about the electorate than I thought he was.

I have no problem with Obama picking someone as VP who I find completely repugnant, provided that person can really help the ticket. But I've never believed that Obama was the messiah or that he was going to radically change politics. I've also never really been influenced by a candidate's VP pick --- I've always thought that Joe Lieberman is a fucking idiot, and he brought absolutely nothing to the ticket, but I still voted for Al Gore.

[Tippy]

39. Throwing Obama over board if he doesn't do what you want is as childish as it gets....

To all who are RETHINKING......Boy it is a good thing you are not running for President or any political office, you changed your thinking to stinking thinking. I never realized how much you all resemble Bush...It's your way or the highway. Sound familiar? Thats exactly what you are saying. You know best what should be done, yep thats what Bush said too. And look at the mess we are in now. DU has been a place of sanity , but your reactions and been insane. You are hurting your candidate your reactions to what Clinton said are out there for all the world to see, you are aiding the opposition. You know we are not privy to everything the Obama campaign is doing, and that is good, good Lord if he did decide to talk to Clinton about VP he would be bombarded so badly he would probably feel like throwing in the towel. Something I have noticed Hillary supporters stick with their candidate, to bad some of you act like spoiled brats wanting to pick up your marbles and go home.....If this opens one eye I'll be grateful if none is opened well I'll still support Obama. I'm not a quieter.

[cali]

40. I can't take seriously anyone who still insists Hillary has a chance

she's been effectively the loser for months. And yes, I've always said I could support an Obama Clinton ticket- though it's certainly not my favorite matchup.

[hokies4ever]

41. I trust his leadership skills

If he wants Hillary as his V.P., then I will support him on that decision. However, I am against people trying to force him to take her as his V.P. . I doubt that he wants to choose her. They just don't seem to have any political chemistry, even before it became a vicious one-on-one battle. For comparison, look at the interaction between Sebelius and Obama when she endorsed him at a rally in Kansas. They looked like they had been close friends for a long time.

[gal]

42. No I would not.

I have said it here before, I am an independent and voting for Barack Obama based on the principles I see in him. I do not like what Hillary Clinton represents, she is not an option for me.

He puts her on the ticket it will go agnist everything his campaign has stood for.

[Orangepeel]

43. I'd be disappointed, but realize that he and his campaign thought it was necessary

but then, I don't *hate* Clinton. I'm mad at her and Bill and disappointed in the campaign she has run, but I don't hate her.

[Crunchy Frog]

44. You're making a mistake in thinking this is about hate.

For me it's simply about Hillary's liabilities as a candidate, and that it would be those liabilities that she would be primarily bringing to the ticket.

I've never hated her in the past. If I'm coming to hate her now, it's because of the feeling that she's holding the party hostage to her own ambition, and that her behavior is endangering our chances against McCain in November.

If Obama were to pick her as running mate, it would make me severely question his judgement, and my support for him would be considerably less enthusiastic, mainly on the basis that I think it would kill his chances in November. Again, this is not about hate, but about the liabilities she would bring to the ticket.

[livingmadness]

46. I would be disappointed.

But I have complete faith in Senator Obama's judgment, so I'm sure I'd get over it.

[my3boyz]

47. I would question his judgement and his message

The main thing he has been saying is that we need a change. We need to turn the page. He said Clinton plays the same old politics. So if he chooses her his whole message of change would go out the window. Barack knows this and would never choose her. Besides, she is a despicable human being that he could not trust. You have to trust your VP or it simply won't work.

[billyoc]

49. I'm in full-on McCain removal mode.

Good luck, SD's, I'm busy. Don't call us, we'll call you.


http://aflcio.org/issues/politics/mccain.cfm?source=mccainrevealed

[Orsino]

50. I would understand.

I think he could do better, but her appeal to millions is undeniable. I suspect he will pick a veep who sees more eye-to-eye with him, but I do believe that Obama-Clinton would still be unbeatable by anything up to and including McCain-Jesus.

[barack the house]

51. I would support him as I know he is smart and wise enough to handle it..

Even with my disagreements with the Hillary campaign. In this instance I feel HRC only mis-spoke but was poorly timed with Ted's illness.

[Pisces]

54. If martians landed and no one was around what would you do type of question???

This question is fantasy land. Not going to happen in this dimension.

[Buzz Clik]

55. Do you hate your mom when she remarries and chooses a total dick?

Of course you do. You'll be disgusted with her and you may never grow to like her new hubby, but you never stop loving your mom.

[JoFerret]

56. It's a non job

and waste of her ability.

However - I do remember reading an Obama comment somewhere where he was commenting on Lincoln's cabinet as described by Doris Kearns Goodwin. Lincoln put his rivals in his cabinet.

[Hippo_Tron]

57. 150% behind the Democratic ticket in November

And not only that, if the campaign believes that picking Hillary is their best chance to win then I think they should pick her.

[Hippo_Tron]

58. Dupe n/t

[Tatiana]

59. I will vote for the Democratic ticket. Period.

Whether I do so joyously or holding my nose.

There simply isn't any alternative.

[TexanDem]

61. NO. If she (they, Hill & Bill) are VP, Obama will be an ineffective pres.

[hfojvt]

62. I worry about people with absolute hate

I hope it's just internet hyperbole and not a true absolutist philosophy.

I have been ABC from the beginning of this primary. I have joked that I am a Hugh Hillary Hater, and never thought her candidacy would be good for our party or for our country. Nor do I think her scorched earth campaigning before Ohio and Texas has been good for our party, and I think she's clearly lying when she says she has the most votes and that Bill hadn't won his nomination until June. But I don't agree with Olberman that she has done or said anything unforgiveable.

She clearly has a base of support and ability to debate and knowledge of the issues as well as connections with Bill and party leaders. Like it or not, and I am sure many of us do not, we need the Clintons on our side. I don't think she'll be good for the ticket, but it's possible she may insist on it and have her supporters back her up. Like Hillary supporters we have to accept that we cannot always get what we want.

[otohara]

63. I Don't Know How He Could Trust Her

or feel that she would be loyal to him - but I'd vote for the ticket and hope for the best

[SoonerPride]

65. I would think he had lost his mind

[Willo]

66. I don't aid in assassinations. n/t

[LaurenG]

67. I'm voting for him anyway.

I think it would be a mistake but only after what she said last night. Maybe she made a mistake but it was a very stinky one and so thoughtless. It was kind of like the last straw in trusting her and Bill. If Senator Obama does choose her I'll get over it.

[BlooInBloo]

69. Surely you must realize that it's not even remotely close to a possibility.

[graycem]

70. I will support Obama

no matter who he chooses, unless it's Karl Rove or George Bush. I strongly support Obama, but before even that, I'm a Democrat, and I believe our ideas are better, period. People are hurting in this country and in Iraq and that's the only thing that truly matters on election day. Not my hurt feelings or disappointment in any one human being. I would hope that everyone else wouldn't be so selfish to forget what's really at stake.

[rainbow4321]

71. There is no way he can..it goes against his theme of bringing change

to Washington....how can he promise THAT and drag HRC along for the ride??? Out with the OLD means OUT with HRC.


Obama having her as VP is just creepy. She would spend her time undermining/sabotaging Obama and his decisions.



He needs someone new... and someone who doesn't have EVERY diagnosis listed in a DSM-IV.

[cyndensco]

73. I think Hagel as VP would be preferable to hillary.

At least that ticket would support change.

I'll vote Obama regardless, but seriously wonder about his judgment.

[PVnRT]

74. I would wonder why

She does not really bring a lot to the ticket that can be accomplished by figures not so divisive. However, i would still vote for the ticket, and hope she doesn't try running against him in the 2012 primary.

[Swamp Rat]

76. Almost any Dem is preferable to McNuts.

There are a couple of exceptions. :D

[TeamsterDem]

79. I'd vote for the both of them at that point. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

81. Fallacious statement #1: "The hatred by the Obama supporters for any and all things Clinton"

I don't "hate any and all things Clinton".

Shit, I used to have a lot of Respect for Hillary Clinton.

It's gone downhill. Starting around the time of her IWR vote. Continuing as she has to this day refused to admit that vote was a mistake. I make no bones about the fact that her conduct in this campaign, I think, has been reprehensible.

But even so, I don't "hate" her. In fact, I've always said I would support our nominee- like you, period, no waffling or wavering. Of COURSE I will support the Obama ticket if he picks her for VP.

But none of that pertains to what I see as very pointed criticism of Hillary -some of it deserved, some maybe not- but criticism aimed at her tactics, the things she's said, the way she's gone about this campaign.

And most importantly, none of that pertains to very legitimate questions- like the question she was obstensibly answering with her RFK comment- as to what the fuck she thinks she's accomplishing, by lying about the "popular vote", hypocritically crusading against DNC rules she agreed to and that Terry McAuliffe himself fucking enforced 5 years ago, by pretending "the race is still on"...

Which cuts to the core of this whole thing- why the fuck are we still even talking about Hillary? Why do we still have a GD-P at all? She has LOST.

I think the minute she stops her slash-and-burn, divisive, stay-in-until-the-convention-even-if-it-destroys-the-party crap, you will see a lot of what you perceive as "hate" towards HRC around here disappear.

[Why Syzygy]

82. No. And I would never vote for another Democrat. Betrayal has no place in our House.

[Skidmore]

86. Hillary has a lot of convincing to do.

SHE would need to start making some very pointed remarks that communicate to me that she will embrace a policy of reform and would truly be on board with Obama on changing the way things are done in DC and the nation. I think she is too much a part of the DC establishment and has trouble thinking outside the box on a host of issues. And then, there's that trust issue. I do not trust her. Period. I don't like the way she has cozied up to the RW machine and adopted their rhetoric. Then there's the whole issue of dynasty, which in America includes spouses too. I want someone else besides a Bush or a Clinton. In fact, I don't these families should be allowed near the nation's power centers for at least 3 generations hence.

[Why Syzygy]

94. If another DLC sweetheart is elected,

we will have HELL to pay forevermore. Forget about a liberal party.

[Pushed To The Left]

87. I would still proudly support Obama. Anybody who would turn against him based on a VP pick was never

a true supporter in the first place. And any Democrat who doesn't support the Democratic nominee in November is throwing away decades of civil rights by allowing McCain to implement a right-wing Supreme Court.

[Political Heretic]

88. She's pretty much destroyed any chance of that happening this week.

But I said I would vote for Clinton if she was the nominee, and I would vote for Obama if Clinton was on the ticket.

[Vinca]

91. For starters, you're overblowing Hillary hate. I dislike her, I don't hate her.

If she's the VP nominee I will be very disappointed, but I'll vote for the ticket. I would vote for the ticket if it was Hillary without Barack. We cannot allow the Republicans to continue to ruin this country. That's what's important and that's the bottom line. If you give a damn about the country, you'll vote Democratic.

[Johnny__Motown]

93. Yes, I will vote for Obama even with Hillary as VP.

[GalleryGod]

96. After Friday's GHOUL-FEST..no worries,pal!

Peeking into the dark soul of the Pantsuit Princess was not a surprise:

It's ALL here-years ago. Sorry.



Here's Bill...the GOOD BILL !!!!