is there room for Clinton supporters in the Democratic Party anymore?

[IdClaire]

I'm what you would call a lurker here and its hard not to notice the downright hatred/displeasure whatever you want to call it that many posters feel towards Hillary Clinton. Isn't the Democratic Party supposed to be an inclusive party? Forget Hillary for a moment. What about the millions of people who voted for her for whatever personal reasons they may have. Do you want to alienate them or include them? Which do you think would be the best course toward winning the White House back for our party?

[populistdriven]

1. Alert The Internets!

http://trollalert.ytmnd.com/

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[DemVet]

2. You may be a "lurker", but I think...

...you have a lot of wisdom. Out with it!

:)

[gaiilonfong]

3. winning the white house

FIND NEW AND BETTER DEMOCRATS
rebuild the Democratic party WITHOUT the ClintonS which is what Obama is doing

THEN we will win the White House

[floridablue]

4. It is my impression lately

That the forum has turned into a bash Hillary on a daily basis. Members seem to show the same paranoia that Nixon had about the Kennedys. They are terrified that she will find a way to win so she is bashed because there is nothing else they can do.

[roguevalley]

80. she can find a way to win? When will you open your eyes. only stealing

the election will accomplish that. rules don't apply to her obviously. we aren't terrified of anything but what she said yesterday. any decent person would be.

[JVS]

5. They have to accept that she's lost and support the nominee.

Sitting around and hoping for an assassination or a huge scandal to overturn the results of the primary is unacceptable. If that's too much to ask, fuck them.

[IdClaire]

12. thats exactly what I'm talking about

are you saying "fuck them" to people like me who support Clinton? Think about what you are doing. Thats all I"m saying.

[JVS]

17. Sure. Look. Hillary won't be running for anything this fall and if one insists on voting for her..

they're a stupid jackass who can go fuck themselves.

In the 2004 GE, I was a former Dean supporter, and in the 2008 GE former Clinton supporters are welcome.

[SoFlaJet]

6. Look Claire

for the thousandth time. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US who has been here since DU's inception vigorously fought for and defended the Clinton's-AND LOVED THEM. They've changed and shown themselves to be a dark force whose intent seems to be one thing and one thing only; gluttony for power. It has gotten way too ugly for a lot of us. She needs to stop and then yes, we can all go back to trying to forget about the past 5 months. We are a forgiving lot.

[Geek_Girl]

8. Oh please the Clinton's haven't changed

They are and always will be absolutely brutal when it comes to campaigning. They play to win at all cost they always have and always will.

[IdClaire]

9. look SoFlaJet

despite your personal feelings towards the Clintons, half the voters so far think differently.

[SoFlaJet]

13. what are you talking about

I just said we ALL loved and defended them vigorously for years-I don't hate the Clinton's in fact I want to love them again. The other day when Hillary came out and defended Obama against president Idiot I was cheering saying "go get him Hillary". I and MOST other loyal DEMOCRATS want to be fans again.

[JerseygirlCT]

38. Yes. nt

[roguevalley]

82. and 90% of them will vote for Obama just like all the Edwards,

Dodd, Biden et al supporters will. If dead ender Hillary voters don't, then they can go fuck themselves. In the end, if they matter to the outcome which I doubt, I will be glad about only one thing. That the females who stayed home pouting, putting idolatry before country can stew in the shit storm to come with four years of McCain. They will have blood on their hands, four more years of environmental destruction and the war with Iran. They will prove once and for all that women are not ready for prime time. Men don't even have to open their mouths. they will do it to themselves.

[americanstranger]

90. This is a myth.

'Half the voters.'

You really think millions of voters are going to turn their backs on their party out of loyalty to a candidate that didn't even have the chops to win the goddamn primary?

Real up, for chrissakes.

- as

[meow mix]

19. K&R this post.

spot on

[Hepburn]

40. What he said!

:applause:

[dkf]

7. I'm surprised people are still happy to be supporting Clinton.

After this latest fiasco I'd be laying low myself.

[SoFlaJet]

10. she actually did us a big favor yesterday dkf

she took her name OFF the Veep list. My wife even said that Michelle must be pissed and that she won't allow her as his running mate-and we all know who the bosses are in the family (hint; not the men)

[dkf]

27. Yeah, I knew Michelle would save us in the end.

[mitchum]

11. Seems that's entirely up to the Clinton supporters

[IdClaire]

14. Exactly.

[Bread and Circus]

15. Let me ask you a question. Which candidate, Hillary or Obama, has said more

divisive things and negative things about the other candidate's supporters?

By my calculation, Hillary has been far more negative and perjorative.

So, I'd say yah, Hillary supporters are welcome in Obama's Dem Party. I can't say the same for us "activist eggheads" who aren't "real working Americans" under a Clinton regime. Especially since Clinton would install Fox news as official "state news".

In other words don't focus on DU, focus on how the candidates ran their campaign. There's your answer.

[SoFlaJet]

21. But but but

there was an Obama supporter in a Clinton crowd who was holding a sign that said Iron My Shirt...Gerry Ferraro

[newmajority]

89. I wouldn't trust Ferraro to iron my shirts

But if I needed sheets bleached whiter than white, she would be the first racist I asked. :rofl:

[IdClaire]

54. Obama has the nomination wrapped up

why not shake off the anger? It might help welcome Hillary supporters into "Obama's Dem Party".

[jgraz]

69. Why should they need "help" to support the nominee of the party?

Most of us have had to give up on our initial choice and switch to Obama. Why do the Clinton supporters need an engraved invitation?

[breakaleg]

73. Hillary supporters need to face that fact. They are the ones whose denial is causing problems.

[Why Syzygy]

92. That's right. Obama has reached out to Clinton supporters.

All she has done is kick Obama's. I don't know what the OP would have us do.
The only "fair" thing in their minds is complete victory for HER!

[Renaissance Man]

16. There's certainly room for Clinton supporters.

However, there is no tolerance or "room" for any discourse, continued political posturing, or acceptance or hope for an assassination as a political justification of continuing to pursue a course of personal self-destrution.

[IdClaire]

51. no room for discourse?

in a democracy?

[Bucky]

18. Absolutely yes. When Obama said "cling to" & Rev Wright

I admire loyalty. Clinton's supporters are neither fanatics nor pro-violence. And they can't have "cult" either; I'm using that. :)

When the convention is over, we will all be united for fixing the damage Republican misrule has done to this country. Barack Obama has a big heart. I intend to follow his example.

[Perry Logan]

20. The very question exposes the fraudulence of Obama's campaign.

Politics of unity, my ass!

[Carolina]

63. you're finally right about one thing

there's no unity with Hillary ever NOW. She and Bill need to get lost and take with them McAwful, Carville, Lanny Davis and the whole fucking DLC !

[rucky]

22. So the obnoxious Obama supporters represent the whole party...

while the obnoxious Hillary supporters don't?

I have civil conversations with people all the time (even republicons) - just not on GD-P.

[IdClaire]

52. did I say all Obama supporters are obnoxious?

Please don't put words in my mouth and I won't put words in yours. I don't think that, never said it.

[CreekDog]

23. yes, if you support Democrats in the fall

not just *your* Democrat.

many of us, including me, supported other candidates throughout the primary, coming to be Obama supporters later.

as a Democrat, I have frequently and enthusiastically shifted from my preferred choice in the primaries when it became clear that the nominee was likely to be someone else. Thus, I gave to Kerry even though I really liked Clark and Edwards, I knew that Kerry was going to win very early on and I didn't want to hobble him in vocal support of the others and negative campaigning against him.

there's always room in the party if you support the nominee. :hi:

[Marrah_G]

24. Of course there is room - we are half the party- DU does not represent the real world

[Asgaya Dihi]

25. For her supporters, sure. For her tactics, no

A thread was posted here some time back by a Clinton supporter who was sure all the attacks on her was baseless so they asked for a list of the charges, and boy did they ever get a list of them. More has happened since, this is some weeks out of date, but as many, many others have said here in the past it's not really Clinton that people hated or turned against. It's the tactics and these are some highlights from the past.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5659361

I for one didn't like her a bit more or less than I liked Obama until she gave me reason to feel different and when the primary rolled through here I didn't like either enough to pick between them so I sat it out. In the end for me it came down to a choice. The dem who campaigned like a dem, or the "dem" who campaigned like a repub and kept tacking to the right before they had bothered to win the more left leaning primary of their own party. I picked the dem who campaigned like a dem rather than the repub in dem clothing and there wasn't a lot more to the choice than that. In policy there's not a lot of difference between them and there never has been. Sure seems to be a difference in moral fiber though, in how far they'll go against their own stated principles if the price is right. Politics of personal destruction ring a bell?

[Lady-Damai]

26. Huh...

The polls show Hillary supporters are more likely to vote for McCain or sit home. Why do I have to be nice to them?

I'm not going to kiss your feet and beg you to vote for Obama. Get the fuck over it. You don't want to vote for Obama? FINE! It's your fucking choice. But if you think the Goddess of Shit has any chance winning in 2012.....you better think twice.

[Carolina]

64. LOVE YOUR POST

the goddess of shit... wish I'd thought of that one.

:hi:

:hi:

[paulk]

66. "Goddess of Shit", huh?

This is the change, hope, and unity I've come to expect from a certain segment of the Obama camp. If that segment is even in the Obama camp, which is something I've come to doubt.

[Lady-Damai]

72. Again your vote....your choice.....

If my opinions can determine your path in life...

Then I feel sorry for you.

Damn...I didn't think there was still so many ppl who couldn't make their own decisions and they desperately relied on other ppls views to do things.

My dislike for Hillary Clinton has nothing do with her supporters. It simply has to do with her and Bill. Nothing else...

[paulk]

74. well, actually, your opinion will have no bearing on how I vote

so you don't need to feel sorry for me...

Maybe you should ask yourself why you are so full of hate, though - especially since your candidate is preaching the opposite. If he is even your candidate.

Or are you just one of those generic hate Hill/Bill posters who have been trolling the left blogosphere these last several months?

[Lady-Damai]

77. I don't need to QUESTION myself. I'm not full of hate. I'm full of sunshine.

So, ppl disliking Hill/Bill are full of hate? I have no reasons to dislike Hill/Bill?

Their lies, fear mongering, and warmongering should be just fucking ok for me? Right?!


I would never agree with a person who replies the US could ‘totally obliterate" another country in hypothetical question. Innocent ppl dying is not ok to me.

[Meshuga]

28. DU does not represent the Democratic part as a whole

It never did. Remember that. Obama is winning and is probably the nominee but Clinton has a lot of delegates.

[Adelante]

29. There is room for all Democrats in the Democratic Party

If for whatever reason you don't support the Democratic nominee in November, that's on you for taking yourself away from the Democratic Party.

[Seabiscuit]

30. Of course. But very little room for them on DU Primaries, which has become

www.hatehillary.com thanks to all the thousands of newbies who have signed up here since this winter just to spread their irrational Hillary hate. I call them "Obamanoids". Freeps, pseudo-freeps, wannabe freeps, and quasi-professional ignoramuses who wear Obama buttons on their sleeves.

My "ignore" button has never been able to keep up with them all.

Most Hillary supporters have left DU and moved on to saner, greener pastures.

[cboy4]

41. If it was okay for me to talk about how I believe many are

paid by the Obama camp to spam DU, I would.

But I've been instructed I'm not allowed to do so.

[Seabiscuit]

46. And if it was okay for me to talk about how I believe just as many

are paid by the RNC to spam DU, I would. I haven't received any instructions about that yet. Maybe I will. So I'll just say this: I suspect we're both right, in some proportion.

[roguevalley]

85. and you complain about people dissing hillary. jesus. look in the mirror

[shadowknows69]

31. I'm thinking we need a couple more parties in the mix next GE

I'd love to see a strong independent party and clearly we need a DLC party all their own.

[quaker bill]

32. I expect

they will be given the same warm welcome that I and a number of other Dean supporters were given when we showed up to work for Kerry in 2004.

There is no mystery here. Yes, if you speak to the veterans at DU, you will find that the primary battle in 2004 on this site was no less bloody and unfortunate. I was there for it and I am sure others will so attest.

[ccharles000]

33. I am a Hillary supporter.

When I registered as a Democrat I pledged my all to this party. I ain't going any where.

[Hepburn]

43. Thank you, Charles!

I have to agree with what I have read in other posts about you ~~ you are probably the nicest Clinton supporter around!

:hi:

[ccharles000]

44. Thank you.

:hug:

[stray cat]

34. Absolutely! However, some want to opt out and vote for McCain

and just like in 2000 it might throw the election to the republicans

[me b zola]

35. LOL, LIEberman supporters used to say the same thing

...before he lost the Democratic primary and then left the party. :hi:

[JerseygirlCT]

36. Absolutely.

No question.

[cboy4]

37. Many Obama fans feel they can win the White House

without Hillary Clinton supporters voting for him in November.

Now that's funny. :crazy:

[Asgaya Dihi]

47. Nahh

What's funny is the Clinton supporters who even with full awareness that McCain has stated he'd model his Supreme Court nominees after the Bush ones they would still allow him to gain the office so they can "show those misogynist Obama supporters not to mess with us".

Going to be a rather hollow "victory" in the end, isn't it? And they think they are going to teach some sexist guys a lesson with it.

The irony there would be funny as hell if it didn't carry such a high cost and so many other lost issues along with the fairly certain loss of Roe v Wade, too many innocent victims that would suffer along with those who are more deserving of it. With two justices likely to retire next term the court will be shaped for a decade or more in the next few years, either to keep these things somewhat safe or to give the repubs a secure majority to reshape our world in their image.

[cboy4]

50. I've already stated that if he's the nominee .. I plan on

voting for Obama with a giant clothes pin on my nose, because I'm a loyal Democrat.

But I will not be doing a single thing to help him win in November, other than vote for him, throw up quickly next to the voting booth, and then go to my car and drive home.

And I did not imply in my OP that Hillary supporters would not be voting for him.

[Asgaya Dihi]

55. I didn't suggest that you had.

I simply observed that I think the irony and humor of the situation is on the other foot and in this case the Obama supporters more right than wrong.

Won't campaign or contribute? Fine, for you and everyone else, and you can vote for whoever you'd like as well without needing to explain it to me. But on the face of it Obama it seems can win as it stands now, even with the large numbers Clinton of voters who claim they won't vote for him. Look at the polls. Obama is polling as well as or better than she is already and that's with her people saying they won't vote for him.

Some of them actually mean it, they'd tend to be either Limbaugh's chaos, too sexist in their own reverse sexism way to accept defeat or the loss of the dream, racist, or whatever else. Most though are sane in the end and capable of rational choices so let's examine them for a moment.

If they hold out and don't vote, or if they even refuse to donate and campaign for him and Obama loses that means a McCain Surpreme Court and the nearly certain loss of at least some of our most important issues. With him kissing up to the far right like he is these days Roe v Wade seems certain to be among them.

But if he wins and without them, and again he's doing as well or better than her in national polls even without her supporters so he just might, that's even worse for them. That would prove that with crossover and independent support we can rebuild the party with no concern at all for what the now unneeded power block wants or thinks about anything, they'll have rendered themselves politically irrelevant. Replaceable.

It's a lose lose proposition no matter how we look at it so the only observation I was intending to make was that your laughter seemed misplaced. Probably pretty badly misplaced. We all lose if you're right and he does lose the election, but only the Clinton supporters lose if he wins. Joke is either on you or on all of us.

[cboy4]

57. To quote DUer "zlt234" --

"The democratic party would not be a party if it weren't for unity between moderates and progressives."

You're living in a fantasy world if you think Democrats have such an advantage over Republicans that you can disregard moderates.

The country is evenly divided from an ideological standpoint.

The only reason Democrats had an advantage during the 06 midterms is because of the war.

Democrats need every single registered Democrat to win, and in my opinion, it's dangerous to throw them away as you seem to suggest would be just fine.

[Asgaya Dihi]

59. No fantasy here

I think the fantasy is in assuming that Clinton supporters represent something like moderate in American politics. Something you'll find with me is I can generally explain why I think things, there's no fantasy to it and never has been. Not even when I was a kid.

Clinton has what she has now and no more, her negatives have done nothing but climb through the race and what supporters she has tend to be both partisan and ideological, more prone to accept and approve of the more divisive policies and politics of the past. That's not moderate these days, she's about 4 to 8 years late for that to work like she wanted it to.

The dem party started to move away from that as soon as Clinton left office, it hardly took any time at all before we started to notice that everything from NAFTA to media consolidation to the drug war hadn't worked out like we planned and we had lots of unwelcome and unexpected results along the way. By 2004 we were ready for change but the nation wasn't, wouldn't have worked in our primary then though it might have in the general. Judging by the http://ultimatejohnmccain.com/blog_post/show/17?eid=35f115ef74d62ec3303825bab766831c">cries of pain from the repubs and the three straight special elections we won in strong and historically conservative areas recently it seems the nation as a whole is on the same page as well now. Finally ready for that change.

I can point to dozens if instances where crossover supporters for Obama wouldn't touch Clinton, if it's not Obama they seriously will either sit the election out or vote for McCain. They don't have a stake in our Roe v Wade, they don't care about dems or our causes in general for the crossovers or for our special interests for the independents. The only stake they have is that they are tired of business as usual and want change, less divisive and less ideological than in recent years. They won't cross to Clinton.

Many of her supporters WILL cross to Obama. They do care about Roe V Wade, they do care about dems winning, and they do care about the civil rights, the poor, and other more traditionally dem issues.

Fantasy? Not even on a bad day. The "moderates" you are thinking about don't exist anymore, the landscape has changed and so have the reasons why they cross the lines. I thought this through long, hard, and well before I ever posted my first word in the campaign and I've discussed and thought about it more since. He's got a better shot than she does, with or without her supporters, and I'm betting in the end for most it'll be with. The partisan divide isn't what it was a few years ago.

[DevonRex]

39. Absolutely. Most are really great democrats. And the ones

who have voted for her on the issues or even just out of loyalty will vote democratic in November for those very reasons.

Now, the ones who will vote McCain or stay at home in November might be rethinking which party they belong in anyway.

[Larkspur]

42. The Clintons didn't want progressives in the Dem Party

They wanted to turn the Dem Party into Repuke-lite. That's why they chased after corporate money and did the bidding of corporations in regards with NAFTA and welfare reform. They didn't reform corporate welfare, just welfare to the poor.

If the Clintons and their supporters don't like the Democratic principles, why, I ask, are they in the Democratic Party?

It's not the Democratic Party throwing out the Clintons. It's the Clinton's huffing and puffing that if they can't get THEIR way, they will storm off and leave.

[BzaDem]

45. The democratic party would not be a party if it weren't for unity between moderates and progressives

It would be relegated to getting no more than 25% of the vote if your vision was realized.

[IdClaire]

49. I'm more moderate

I'm learning I'm more in the middle politically. I don't see myself as a Republican but I'm not so far to the left either.

[Larkspur]

79. The Clintons aren't moderates. They're corporatists.

That puts them to the right of moderate and they've been leaning more to the right ever since Bill left the White House. Bill's Prez library is funded by plutarchs from other countries as well as this one, all expecting favors that would hurt ordinary Americans, if Hillary was President.

[Unbowed]

48. There is a HUGE difference between an voter, a supporter and an apologist.

Many people voted for Hillary Clinton. Many were and are good Democrats. Most of these Democrats do not necessarily define themselves by their candidate and they will have other candidates, including our party's nominee,Barack Obama.

Supporters so blinded by their support that they accept any and all behavior from their candidate at the expense of the Democratic Party are not Democrats. Anyone who harms the Democratic Party for the sake of any one candidate is not a Democrat and should find no safe harbor in the Democratic Party.

Anyone who condones Hillary Clinton's Republican-like tactics and outrageous statements are as guilty as she is of dividing for the sake of ambition. With "Democrats" like these who needs Republicans?

Maybe the party is at a defining moment. Are we going to be the party of decency and integrity or are we going to be exactly like the other side? If Hillary Clinton apologists don't feel welcome in the Democratic party and they leave, so be it. The party will only be stronger for the house-cleaning.

[paulk]

53. according to many (if not most) at DU - no.

otoh - if DU ran the Democratic Party we would lose all 50 states this November.

[LeFleur1]

56. Absolutely Correct

If the DU Obama supporters and their beloved media (the one that actually attacks when facts are stated) ran the Democratic party who would want to belong?

I know many people who have said they'll just stay home this year. They say the "party" has become something they cannot support.
1. Messing up Michigan and Florida and alienating voters. THEN, not correcting their mistake.
2. Allowing the sexist attacks on Hillary to go on without censure from the leaders.
3. Advocating hate.
4. Allowing debates hosted by nincompoops who wouldn't know a serious question if it were stuck in their ears.

Who says Obama believes differently than McCain on issues? Just because they are good at insulting one another doesn't mean either of them have a detailed plan for America. Yesterday I heard Obama say he would not stand for Cuba to be under dictatorship. So what is he going to do? Invade Cuba?
People are so intent on treating this like a football/soccer game where the watchers storm the field and hurt one another that things like Cuba, and real plans for our soldiers in Iraq, what will actually be done to fix the economy and jobs, etc. have not been discussed, only touched on. Half of what the candidates say they will do they cannot do without the full support of the House/Senate and the voters. At least Hillary has some details.
Sorry, the party, and many of those who have suddenly appeared, saying they support the party, has become something that gives people the creeps.

[Crunchy Frog]

58. Hillary and her supporters need to get behind the nominee.

When Hillary makes the decision to get behind Obama, I'm sure that many of her supporters will go along with her. I know that I and most other Obama supporters will welcome them with open arms. I hope that this will happen sooner rather than later. At this point the ball really is in Clinton's court.

I was a Clark supporter last time around, I know it really helped me come to terms with things when Clark quit his campaign and went to campaign for Kerry.

[paulk]

67. right now there is no nominee

despite what the Obama camp (and it's media allies) are saying. We'll have a nominee when one of the two candidates running drops out or one is chosen at the convention.

[Crunchy Frog]

71. Yes, and as long as Hillary and her supporters keep thinking that way

it will be premature to talk about "inclusiveness" as the OP is. That will only be possible once we all agree that there is a nominee.

[paulk]

75. No - we're all Democrats

and we will get behind the nominee

when the party chooses one.

[BklnDem75]

60. Don't get it twisted...

There's Clinton supporters and there are posers. The supporters are the ones who will fight for their candidate and actually backup why they prefer her over Obama. At the end of the day, they understand that they're still Democrats and vote for the Democratic nominee. The posers are republicans posing as Clinton loyalists. Their objective is chaos, posting flame bait whenever possible to divide us, plain and simple. They have no intention of voting for Clinton even is she ended up being the nominee. No true Democrat would threaten to vote for McCain. If they can pull even a few emotionally driven voters to their side, then they've accomplished what they set out to do. I have yet to see an Obama supporter threaten to vote for McCain. Threaten to go Independent? Sure, but never a crossover with a threat to take others with them.

As a lurker, I'm sure you can see the difference.

[MilesColtrane]

61. Not sure many HRC supporters want to be included.

The primary has dragged on for so long now that supporters in both camps have a huge emotional investment in their candidate, and more importantly, a great deal of animus for his/her opponent.

The winner will have to really talk up the loser and emphasize the common goals of both candidates.
However, that simply won't be enough for some people. Instead of really contemplating the chilling prospect of a McCain administration, they'll continue to hold a grudge and sit out the GE.

[LaurenG]

62. There is nothing wrong with being a Clinton supporter, I may not agree

with them, and I may pitch fits and throw words around but I think everyone has a right to their opinion and we all choose by whatever means guide us. Whether or not we agree with each other and no matter how out of control we get, the bottom line is the democratic party doesn't toss people out. We choose where to hang our political hat.

I can only speak for myself though and I am one of the least politically savvy people around.

[Triana]

65. I have no problem w/ Hillary supporters - just Hillary

But it seems like if they want to be included, at this point, and we / they know Obama has the nom pretty much, then they should face that their candidate isn't going to be the one (and yes I KNOW that's heartbreaking and disappointing), and galvanize with us behind the winner, Obama.

I see it (in a lesser sense, sure) the fault of Hillary supporters, too.

I have nothing against them though. Never have. I've gone off about Hillary here but don't think I've ever gone off on one of her supporters. They don't control her behavior. SHE does.

They have a right to support whoever they want, but there comes a time when it's time to come together behind THE nominee.

I guess the real argument is WHEN that time should be?

[Autonomy]

68. yes

[Forkboy]

70. Yes. Next?

[NC_Nurse]

76. Who's trying to get rid of her supporters? Not me. I just want HER to quit

before she completely buries herself. You know - when you're in a hole, stop digging?

She could've stayed in with no complaints from me if she had stopped being divisive. She
hasn't. Time to take what's left of her dignity and go home. She's still a Senator, what's wrong with that?

[Zomby Woof]

78. You can't win without us

This morning's headline in the L.A. Times states that in the general, Obama would beat McCain in CA by 7 percentage points. A substantial number of Obama's votes would come from Clinton supporters. Quite simply, he would be swept away without us.

Be glad that the rest of the nation's Democratic and independent-but-leans-Democratic voters do not mirror the histrionics and high drama of the posters in this forum. The vast majority of Clinton supporters are reasonable, and when the chips are down, loyal to the party and the cause.

As another DUer said recently (rough paraphrase here): "Relax! We're voting for him!" :-)

[smiley_glad_hands]

81. The bigots--NO--they can leave and vote mcsame.

Everyone else sure. Group hugz.

[bridgit]

83. DU, being a site forwarding Lib/Pro concepts is one thing. But the levels...

of some Obama supporters simply and flat-out not understanding what makes America are note worthy

This land is your land,
This land is my land,
From California
To the New York Island,
From the redwood forest,
To the Gulf stream waters,
This land was made for you and me.

As I was walking,
That ribbon of highway,
I saw above me
That endless skyway,
I saw below me
That golden valley.
This land was made for you and me.

I've roamed and rambled
And I've followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts
And all around me a voice was sounding
This land was made for you and me

The sun comes shining
As I was strolling
The wheat fields waving
And the dust clouds rolling
The fog was lifting a voice come chanting
This land was made for you and me

As I was walkin'
I saw a sign there
And that sign said no trespassin'
But on the other side
It didn't say nothin!
Now that side was made for you and me!

In the squares of the city
In the shadow of the steeple
Near the relief office
I see my people
And some are grumblin'
And some are wonderin'
If this land's still made for you and me.

Nobody living can ever stop me
As I go walking
That freedom highway
Nobody living can make me turn back
This land was made for you and me

[Jed Dilligan]

84. I don't think the Hillaryis44 faction represents

a significant minority of the people who voted for her.

[Warren DeMontague]

86. Of course. The primaries are almost over, so it's just about time to unify behind our nominee.

That's what we DO. We are Democrats.

The nominee is very likely going to be Senator Barack Obama.

The party looks forward to and enthusiastically welcomes the work of good Democrats to elect Senator Obama to the White House, so we can start fixing the myriad problems facing our nation and planet.

We're all on the same team- we want many, if not all, of the same things-

glad we can count on you!

[americanstranger]

87. It is not our obligation to cater to Clinton supporters.

I always used to argue with wingnuts who would equate criticism of Bush with hatred of America, and I would remind them that 'George W. Bush is not America.'

I'll offer a variant here - Hillary Clinton is not the Democratic party.

One of Bill's favorite expressions is 'In the primaries you fall in love, in the general election you fall in line.'

Time for Hillary supporters to follow Bill's advice. It is not Barack Obama's obligation - nor is it his supporters' obligation - to beg supporters of a losing primary candidate for their votes.

It is every Democrats obligation to vote for the nominee in the general election - or they need to ask themselves if they're really Democrats.

Enough of this. Hillary has lost. Her supporters need to get with the program.

- as

[still_one]

88. The campaign, not the supporters, that have used division as a strategy happens to be

the Clinton campaign

From words to the effect that whites are my base, to how hillary and mccain are qualified to be president, but Obama is just an empty suit

From what I have read on this forum it is mostly the Clinton supporters who are saying they will not vote for the Democratic nominee if it isn't Hillary

Personally, if a Democrat doesn't vote for the Democratic nominee for President in the general election they don't give a damn about the country or the party

The issues have never been clearer between the Democrats and the republicans, and anyone who can't see those differences is either a complete idiot, or doesn't really care about the issues that will affect future generations for years to come

[Celeborn Skywalker]

91. Yep.

Most of my friends support Clinton and they are good Democrats.