Admit it, this is a great opportunity for you to get your anger out at the Clintons

[2rth2pwr]

Your frustration has been building for months, Hillary just won't stop.

Why can't she just leave Obama alone so he can get on with his date with destiny on Mt. Rushmore? We all know he's going to be the President so why can't she just

shut her mouth? You have twisted her determination to have the Rules Committee reconsider the penalty on the citizens of MI and Fl as cheating, on Thom Hartman's show

this morning he said 10% of his calls in regard to the possibility of Hillary being VP focused on the fear that if that happened, the Clinton"s "would take him out".

She continues to win primaries and is favored to win big in Puerto Rico, the wins are blamed on the faults of the voters, not anything to do with the candidates.

The pure hatred and vitriol that has irrationally been driving Obama supporters to the edge of insanity has finally traveled all the way there.

Anyone who thinks the Clinton's would assassinate, are planning to assassinate, dog whistling for assassination, praying or hoping for assassination have literally

crossed the line into what is referred to in the medical community as Looney Tunes. Step back and let the hate and anger out if you must, but realize that the

comments she made don't mean what you are trying to make them mean. Release all the pent up aggravation and disbelief that she just won't defer to the "better"

candidate and then move on.

Everyone knows that this is a story that goes nowhere and has nothing to give it legs.

[last1standing]

1. And yet "bittergate" as so important.

Stew in your own hatred. Karma's a bitch.

[anonymous171]

6. Exactly.

You reap what you sow.

[Botany]

2. You have no shame

n/t

[Whisp]

3. Obama's a better 'woman' than Hillary could ever dream to be.

at least in my dictionary of whatever feminism is.

she is Not representative of woman, she is just a pantsuit that likes cluster bombs and war.

feh.
send Chelsea to Iraq to prove how manly you are, you fake.

[Cheap_Trick]

38. she's an empty pantsuit!

empty pantsuit! empty pantsuit!

[BlooInBloo]

4. Clinton supporters truly think we're as base as they are.

[ossman]

5. I would be mad at anybody wishing my candidate dead.

[TheZug]

7. An opportunity, yes, but a sad one. I honestly didn't think anyone would say such a thing.

[americanstranger]

8. She. Has. Lost.

Even blogs that have been cheering her on for months are now calling for her to step down and give it up.

She is being condemned by people on the Left and Right.

She's done.

Keep whistling past that graveyard, though. whatever makes you happy, or less miserable, or whatever.

- as

[madeline_con]

9. ".... driving Obama supporters to the edge of insanity ..."

BLAH BLAH BLAH:nopity:

[NanceGreggs]

10. Yeah, you're right ...

... it's all just pent-up, totally irrational, baseless Hillary bashing.

She has done nothing to deserve it.

It's not like she lied about sniper-fire, apparently thinking the voters too dumb to know she was lying. It's not like she talked about the "hard-working WHITE voters" she's concerned about. It's not like she suddenly became all-consumed with the unfairness of not counting MI and FL votes after realizing she was losing and needed them. It's not like she ever said McCain was the better bet for POTUS while her fellow Democrat was "just a speech". It's not she like discarded entire states as being "not important" when she lost them. It's not like she stirred the Reverend Wright shitpot every chance she got. It's not like she quoted Karl Rove, or ever uttered the words "as far as I know".

No, she didn't do any of those things. If she HAD, we would have a reason to be angry tonight, perhaps over-react to an off-the-cuff "gaffe" that has been repeated over and over.

But being as she has run a clean campaign and NEVER done any of the above, I guess we should all just laugh along with the slap your thigh silliness of raising references to "assassination" in the middle of a hotly-contested campaign in which one of the candidates just HAPPENS TO BE the first black candidate - a fact which many nutjobs in this nation are already not to thrilled about.

Get a fuckin' clue.

[Bicoastal]

11. Gasp! Nance IS pissed...

...or else she wouldn't have dropped the F-bomb.

[NanceGreggs]

17. You're damned real I'm pissed!!!

The only thing more shameless than Hillary's comments today are the people who are singing la-dee-dah, insinuating that we're all just in a tizzy for no good reason.

And, of course, there is the inevitable irony: I've noticed a lot of posters who are dismissing this entire episode as nothing worth being pissed-off about as the same people who kept SNUB-GATE going because it was the most important story EVAH!

[VolcanoJen]

44. La-dee-dah

I sense a Victim Movement coming on.

[grasswire]

20. or said "to" when she meant "too"? (eom)

[Bicoastal]

23. Eh, typos happen to the bset of us.

[2rth2pwr]

13. So bcuz she spoke incorrectly about Tuzla, it's ok to make the accusation that she wants Obama dead?

Looney Tunes.

[NanceGreggs]

22. No, she didn't "speak incorrectly" .. . she LIED.

Just like she lied when she said she didn't realize how her remarks about assassination might be misconstrued.

But let's, for the sake of argument, give Hillary the 110% benefit of the doubt. If, after her "vast experience of 35 years in the political arena", it never entered her empty little head that a reference to assassination might be misinterpreted, misconstrued, or misunderstood - that means SHE'S TOO FUCKIN' STUPID TO BE PRESIDENT.


Clear enough for you?

[2rth2pwr]

25. I've read here tonight that she has said something similar 3 or 4 times before,

Nobody misinterpreted, misconstrued, or misunderstood what she meant before, why would she think the fake outrage would happen today?

[NanceGreggs]

32. Because when she'd said it before ...

... it wasn't as widely disseminated as it was today. (Which I cannot understand for the life of me, given the credibility of the MSM and their ability to discuss issues of real importance as they happen.)

And get this through your head: The outrage is far from "fake" - it's real, visceral, deep-seated - and it ain't going away.

Blondie is done. And as they lower her campaign into the grave in the days to come, we will all remember the cause of death: suicide.

[chill_wind]

31. AMEN !!

eom

[fortyfeetunder]

40. Good point Nance -- and makes me recall the time --

when Sen. Helms made the threatening comment about Pres. Clinton. I bet Hillary was worried then...eh?

[musicblind]

33. I know you'll never actually agree with any of this, but I'll try & take time and write well thougt

One, she did lie about Bosnia. That was not good and I was very uncool with that. However, Obama also lied about Reverend Wright in his statements that he had never heard Re Wright say such controversial statements. You would have be to daft not to think that. The question, of course, is whether it should MATTER that he heard those or not. This is true. But it doesn't change that most people feel he was, at the least, misleading about his knowledge of Wright's positions. So it is rather hypocritical to freak out about the Bosnia incident and not the Wright incident. I have been consistent and called them BOTH out on it.

You imply here that she used race baiting. I don't feel like either candidate exploited race horribly, BUT if you are going to point out tactics Clinton used then you could just as well point out ones used by Obama. Clinton relied on hard working "white" voters in states like West VA and Obama relied on hard working African American votes in places like MISS and SC. This fine. EVERY voter gets a voice. Once person, one vote, and no vote is more or less important. The people who claim things such as Bill's "Fairy Tales" line or the LBJ line were racist are obviously bias in their opinion. The same as the people who claim that Obama has abused his status as a black man to achieve greater success in this election. Both statements make about as much sense as an argument against one of the candidates.

She did make a dumb statement regarding Obama experience. She should have simply said that she feels McCain has more experience than Obama. THAT statement would be true. McCain does have more experience than Obama. He has more experience than Clinton for that matter. It is also true, that MOST people (outside of DU), can agree Obama has slightly less experience than Clinton. That's not THAT awful of an issue though, because it takes a lot more than experience to be president. There are people who have worked for companies for decades and no amount of "experience" will qualify them to be the CEO. But lets be honest in what this statement was about. She used hyperbole and later people from her circle attempted to clear up the issue as such. She NEVER endorsed McCain. Endorsing McCain would require her to say "I ENDORSE McCain" not "McCain has more experience".

out response.

I have listed and agreed with you on some of the faults of Clinton in this post. If you are unable to agree with me on some of my comments on Obama or claim that he has no faults then that is a problem and it becomes obvious that nothing I can say would make you see things in a fair and balanced light. However, I hope that you can step back and see that each candidate could be PAINTED in a bad light, but that neither are really bad people. I think some folks are taking this primary more personally than they should.

Thank you for your time,

:)


I provided a link to an article in another post you made that requested links to articles, in an effort to clear up your confusion that Hillary had never shown any concern for the voters of MI until she needed those votes to beat Obama in a last ditch effort. The article I cited included people from her circle, and her campaign stating that they were unhappy with the choice to not include MI. That they were also unhappy with candidates pulling their names off of the ballot because they felt the voter's needs WERE important. Those needs being the need for the much sought after attention the race would provide. They also stated, well before the election took place, that the decision to disenfranchise MI was a bad idea because of MI status as a swing state. And yes, one of the quotes is from a well known Hillary "supporter" but since most on DU take anything NEGATIVE a supporter says as reflecting Hillary's views then the POSITIVE statements should be taken in the same way. Here is the link to that article again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/us/politics/10cnd-michigan.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


And finally, in closing, yes her comments on Robert Kennedy were HORRIBLY stupid. But no, most people do NOT think she wants Obama assassinated. As they all pretty much agreed on Anderson Cooper tonight... it would have done her NO benefit and she KNOWS this. She merely put her foot in her mouth yet again with another statement, but in the context of the interview (and Anderson Cooper stated this several times directly) most American's will be able to see that she was taken out of context. Is this a sign that she'd make a great president? She does have a tendency to say things that sound bad. I know a lot of people like that. I do not know, however, if this tendency means she herself is a horrible person. It may raise questions about how closely her political speech writers need to follow ahead of her if anything.

[NanceGreggs]

39. As always, musicblind ...

... I welcome your comments, which are invariably well-informed and articulately expressed.

However, her remarks of today are beyond being excused as a mis-speak, a gaffe, an inconvenient comment - and I really don't care what Anderson Cooper or his audience think. These remarks were oft-repeated, and thanks to the wonderful world of videotape, were not "taken out of context". They are there, IN CONTEXT, for all the world to see and listen to.

I have come to love you dearly, musicblind - along with many other posters here who's opinions differ with my own - but that come, nonetheless, from a truly good place.

But this time I cannot look the other way and pretend that the implications inherent in Hillary's comments were not meant to provoke an abhorrent image in the minds of American voters to HER benefit, and to the detriment of her fellow Democratic opponent. Assassination is not a topic to be raised lightly, nor without an ability to foresee its possible consequences.

If Hillary is legitimately THIS out-of-touch with the consequences of her words and actions, she is TOO out-of-touch to lead a nation. It's that simple.

[musicblind]

42. I will agree with your last line.

I can see why you would make that argument. I don't, though, believe it is really THAT bad for her and that she is THAT out of touch with her words. I just think it has been a horribly grueling campaign season for both of them. I remember leaving a comment stating how silly I thought it was for anyone to get on Obama for misspeaking the number of states in the US. A clear misspeak brought about by the tiring campaign, and in that case there was no reason to have even a single thread. In this case there is reason to be upset. I can understand people being upset. Her comments were insensitive and inappropriate. I think she needs to work on getting her speech writers to do a more comprehensive scripting of her public speaking. She has always seemed awkward. Obama is a great communicator (which will be a good tool to use mixed with foreign policy and explaining positions to the people sitting accross the aisle).

I really do not believe she WANTED Obama assasinated. Or that she was trying to imply that she thought he would be. If I did think this then I would be sickened by it and would denounce her on the spot.

If she did want Obama assasinated, or think he was going to be, she would never say such a thing in public because it would lead to ever finger in the room pointing in her direction were the horrible event to (I pray it NEVER does) occur.

She also, in my opinion, would not have said those things intentionally, she HAD to know how bad the reaction would be. It was similar in some ways to the Kerry joke when he said something that came off in a way that he clearly did not mean them.


Thank you for your kind words and taking the time read through what I wrote.

[NanceGreggs]

46. I am so sorry, but we have to agree to disagree ...

... on this one, my friend.

It was Hillary herself who raised the specter of being "ready on day one, fully prepared to answer that 3:00 a.m. phone call."

I don't want that middle-of-the-night phone call to be answered by someone who doesn't understand - in the fullness of time and the light of day, no less in a moment fraught with tension and global consequences - that some statements are inappropriate, ill-advised, or may be misconstrued.

To say that "she would not have said those things intentionally, had she known how bad the reaction would be" makes my point. Why didn't she know how bad the reaction would be?

"It was similar in some ways to the Kerry joke when he said something that came off in a way that he clearly did not mean them." I'm sorry, but I find NO similarity between a poorly worded 'joke' and a poorly-worded reference to the assassination of a presidential candidate.

Perhaps I've just lost my sense of humour. I have a tendency to do that when a LOSING presidential wannabe implies that something 'terrible might happen' that requires her staying in a race that she's already lost - ya know, just in case.

[VolcanoJen]

43. Thank you thank you

I've been struggling for words, and you provided them.

You're the best, Nance. :hug:

[mcctatas]

12. dude (dudette?)...

Hillary fucked up, deal with it...

[slinkerwink]

14. No, it's not a great opportunity. I'm hurt and saddened by this.

[Bicoastal]

15. But you? You don't have any anger or bitterness towards Obama at all!

I realy don't hate Hillary or Bill. I still have many nice things to say about both of them, which is more than I can say for some people regarding Obama. The difference is I was defending them as recently as January--quite ardently, in fact. "They're Democrats," I said, "and sure, they've made some mistakes. But let's live and let live! Let the best candidate win!"

I don't waste my breath defending them now--they simply aren't worth it.

[billyoc]

16. Yet another opportunity, to be more specific.

The DLC's sins are legion.

[casus belli]

18. She's a walking gaffe. That's most of the problem.

There isn't any sense in not letting her finish the remaining contests, but her contributions to the primary have long ceased to be of any lasting value.

[AlCzervik]

19. What power are you actually speaking truth to? Your name is so wrong for you.

[2rth2pwr]

21. The power on DU are the overwhelming Obama supporters. My guess? 625:1 ratio.

[AlCzervik]

24. ok we're just angry at you, Clinton was just the lightning rod. that ratio for donors

is about right as well.

[cboy4]

26. Oh it must have been "fun" around here today....I'm glad I

missed it all.

[grasswire]

27. I never saw anything like this.

While fighting the VRWC and monitoring the freepers for years, I never dreamed I would see Democrats in such dithering hysteria.

I thought we were the calm, rational ones. The tolerant and generous and flexible ones.

Nope. Apparently not.

It's pretty frightening.

[2rth2pwr]

30. Even die-hard Obama supporters that have said "I don't think that's what she meant" are

being barbecued to a crisp.

[AuntPatsy]

36. Boy were you ever wrong huh?

[StevieM]

28. Yep. This is the very face of McGovernism. Irational hatred of the "system." Oh well, on the

bright side, at least McCain will probably only look to serve one term.

Steve

[havocmom]

29. and another opportunity for you to make excuses for the inexcusable

[pointsoflight]

34. I don't think she was encouraging anything.

I personally accept her explanation of what she meant. But her statement was still reprehensible. It was insensitive, irresponsible, reckless, and downright dangerous. The fact that she could say such a thing, and do so repeatedly, and fail to even acknowledge the inappropriateness of such a statement... all of that shows how completely tone deaf she is and shows what horrible judgment she has. Isn't that bad enough?

[kennetha]

35. Excellent post!

Obamaniacs need some deep therapy! They have gone over the deep end. They can't stand the thought that their messiah can't put away that she-devil of a woman, who just won't lie down and enjoy it.

They have lost all credibility.

[wileedog]

37. Spin spin spin

Please don't take it seriously that my candidate said something utterly fucking stupid, ok?

[TwilightGardener]

41. Anger? I applaud her verbal diarrhea. Reminds me of why she would

have made a lousy President. I am ever grateful that she never will be.

[VolcanoJen]

45. I prefer the way RudePundit put it:

"To Clinton’s campaign and its supporters, who have been holding out for some gaffe by Obama that would take him down: How’s that working out for ya?"

Stay classy, there, Hillary. Helluva campaign you're running.