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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:10 AM
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Rasmussen: PA Clinton 50% McCain 39%
Edited on Sat May-24-08 12:13 AM by DemGa
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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:11 AM
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1. Primaries: Dems still in... Rethuglicans out for weeks now. Thanks to Hillary.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:11 AM
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Our "presumptive nominee" is breaking even in Pennsylvania and losing in FL and OH
Meanwhile, Hillary leads decisively in all three states.

Only when Obama loses all 3 states this Fall will his cult realize that he was unelectable.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:17 AM
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12. I see you're changing your tone already, I like it!
Just a week ago you said he had no chance in PA or Ohio and now he's leading in both.

Oh sure, you'll come back and say "he's not winning by as much as Clinton!" and then I'll respond and say "true, but Clinton isn't winning by as much as Obama in some other key states" and you'll reply "it doesn't matter, because I don't listen to facts and even though I'm proven wrong time and time again, I keep throwing out bullshit excuses" and I'll just respond with a grin.

:)
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:19 AM
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13. What other key states?
The most important 3 states in the election, bar none, are Pennsylvania, Florida and Ohio.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:22 AM
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16. Yes, because we know those 3 states are the only ones that matter!
She's barely ahead of McCain in Washington, which if the Dems lose, will seriously fuck their chances in November.

It's all good, though, because now you even admit Obama has a 50-50 shot at PA and a better than 50% shot at Ohio (leading by almost 10-points). That's pretty amazing, since, you know, you were convinced last week he had 0% shot of winning either state.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:24 AM
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19. Obama is not leading in Ohio. I have no idea what you are talking about.
Both Democrats will carry Washington. It's a reliable Democratic state.

What other key states are there other than Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania?
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:02 AM
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27. HUH? Ohio: Obama 48, McCain 39
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:03 AM
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39. The partisan breakdown in that poll makes it bogus. n/t
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:03 AM
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28. haha, of course you don't. You ignore polls that don't favor Clinton.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 01:04 AM by Drunken Irishman
And it's because you're out of touch. You sit there and lie for the past month telling us Obama has NO chance of winning PA and Ohio, yet now he leads in BOTH states and you're grasping at an even more laughable argument.

As for Washington being reliable, that makes her slim lead there even more striking, eh?

Oh and here's that Ohio poll:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=b03c08ab-30b9-463d-8be2-5cb118e05b74

Obama by 9.

This PA poll also gives Obama an 8 point lead.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=162d4baa-59af-4ec5-9d9b-eb6e658e86c5

And he leads by 7 in Virginia.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=9901f8fc-034e-4a1d-ab36-f6e5c918614e

Doing the math, which I know you'll ignore, here's how the EC would shape out for Obama if these polls hold true:

Obama would win the EC 336 to 202. Doesn't sound like McGovern, eh?
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:30 AM
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23. If Hillary were a team player (which is a huuuuge stretch)
She'd campaign for Obama rather than work angles to promote her own career.
She can't win the Dem nomination but feels compelled to torpedo Obama.
She's smoked Richard Mellon Scaife's pole.
She and her surrogates have appeared on Faux news to promote their "fair and balanced" horseshit.
She's made campaign ads for McSame by saying the only she and the aged repuke candidate have the requisite experience.
She cannot and will not win and yet she feels compelled to shit on Obama.
Fu@& Hillary...she's Nader and even worse, because she lacks principals.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:13 AM
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30. 'Rasmussen Markets data gives Sen. Obama a 62.9% chance of winning in November"
Edited on Sat May-24-08 01:15 AM by Douglas Carpenter
"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead. Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 62.9% chance of winning in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

"Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

__________________________

Average National Polls:

Obama 47.8/McCain 43.1 = Obama + 4.7

Clinton 46.0/McCain 44.5 = Clinton = 1.5

The general election polls averages the latest polls from Gallup Tracking, Rasmussen Tracking, Quinnipiac,ABC News/Wash Post, Democracy Corp, LA Times/Bloomberg, IDBB/TIPP, Battleground

links:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_clinton-224.html

Gallup: Key Clinton voters are shifting to Obama



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"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead. Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 62.9% chance of winning in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

"Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:11 AM
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2. As long as they are polling Hillary, why not poll for Perez Hilton too.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:12 AM
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4. Hillary has 1800 delegates. Hilton has 0 delegates.
I don't see the comparison.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:13 AM
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5. Remember delegates can switch at the convention.
HILTON STILL HAS A CHANCE!
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:15 AM
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9. ......
LOL !! Good one.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:12 AM
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3. Fuck your polls and fuck Hillary. She is dead to the Democratic party.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:13 AM
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6. Yea! Fuck the polls! Who cares about who wins the most important swing states in November!
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:22 AM
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17. I thought the proportional delegation wasn't important, and all that mattered was the popular vote!
So as soon as Hillary wins the primary (scoff) we won't care who gets the popular voter, because it's all about key states? States like Virginia, South Carolina, Missouri, and Iowa that Hillary couldn't even be bothered to win?

Obama won OUR map. Hillary lost. Get over it.
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:49 AM
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25. Hey Sporto -- Obama's BEATING McCain in Pennsylvania
And he'll be beating him worse once Lucretia Rodham Borgia gets off the stage and the party gets united behind a DECENT candidate.
John
Two points or twenty -- the Presidential race is still decided by the Electoral College and the winner takes all.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:15 AM
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8. Wow, you speak for the entire Democratic Party? Did Harry Reid hire you? (eom)
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:27 AM
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21. Educated O supporter?
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:42 AM
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40. Wow - nt
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:15 AM
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7. This does not change any fuckin thing
sick and tired of these spin polls.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:16 AM
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10. Clinton still won't be the nominee; her inclusion in these polls is nonsensical.
They might as well poll how John Edwards does against McCain, because at this point that's just as relevant as how Hillary does against McCain.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:16 AM
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11. I am guessing this poll was taken before today's comments.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 12:17 AM by Gore1FL
see also Thomas Becket.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:20 AM
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14. Of course shes up big. Nobody is attacking her.
She's running against herself right now while Obama and McCain are running against each other.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:20 AM
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15. PA is irrelevant.. They can join in or not.. it;s totally their call
same for OH & FL and maybe even MI (although MI will be for Obama)



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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:24 AM
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18. How do you figure Georgia, NC, LA, and MO?
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:25 AM
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20. It's just an Obamacult pipe dream.
Obama is winning none of those states.
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:57 AM
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26. Well, History Clinton isn't going to win them, either
Because she's through in a very, very few days (maybe just hours) now.
John
The time has come for her to say sayonara.
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jbm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:28 AM
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22. Obama didn't carry any rural counties in Missouri..
He had St Louis, Kansas City, and Columbia. Those areas were enough to barely give him the state during the primary, but it won't be enough for the GE. Missouri will go red.
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:09 AM
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29. In that case, we write off Missouri
Ain't much we can do about Homer, Jethro and the rest of the mouth-breathers.
John
Harry Truman's dead and he ain't coming back.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:03 AM
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38. Hillary will win Missouri. Obama won't.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:32 AM
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24. Bob Barr... Ron Paul and some help from John Edwards
Landrieu is polling surprisingly well, and Lousianans are not at all fond of the idea of a BushIII regime..

and MO is do-able..definitely..Mccain is NOT a popular guy..
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:21 AM
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35. Nope. We HATE Bushler here in Louisiana.
And a subtantial majority loves Obama.


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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:16 AM
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31. "Rasmussen Markets data gives Sen. Obama a 62.9% chance of winning in November
"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead. Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 62.9% chance of winning in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

"Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

__________________________

Average National Polls:

Obama 47.8/McCain 43.1 = Obama + 4.7

Clinton 46.0/McCain 44.5 = Clinton = 1.5

The general election polls averages the latest polls from Gallup Tracking, Rasmussen Tracking, Quinnipiac,ABC News/Wash Post, Democracy Corp, LA Times/Bloomberg, IDBB/TIPP, Battleground

links:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_clinton-224.html

Gallup: Key Clinton voters are shifting to Obama



----------------

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead. Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 62.9% chance of winning in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

"Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
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Martinovich Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:18 AM
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32. Wow! Hillary by 12% while Obama is statistically tied with McCain
good news for Hillary. Looks like we are about to choose a weak candidate in Obama.

God help us.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:19 AM
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33. Next week, Hillary's poll numbers will take a nose dive.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:20 AM
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34. let's see how the polls are after the weekend. n/t
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silverlil Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:02 AM
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36. After her comments today
she will be lucky to for run dog chatcher. She is now toast.
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RNdaSilva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:09 AM
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37. Polls in general...
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