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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:32 PM
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URGING from a longtime ARDENT Obama supporter, VERY opposed to HRC on the ticket: PLZ DO NOT GLOAT!
I feel like a true moron having to say this, but people I suppose through the medium of the internet perhaps have less shame than they otherwise would -- which in some aspects isn't a bad thing.

But you'd think that people would be too embarrassed to be so obviously gloating over Hillary's latest gaffe. I make no excuses for her -- I've been leery of Clinton(s) since 1993, when Bill "the Welsher" according to Larry Kramer followed eerily the script for someone pretending to be a reformer in order to sabotage the chances of reform outlined by Walter Karp in Indispensable Enemies . And after Clinton threw almost every progressive cause and interest under a bus (not excluding yours truly's concerns), he managed over the course of his career to balance the budget (good) on the back of the Democratic Party, and pursue McGlobalization (lousy), ditto. But he DID bring down the deficit and his administration adroitly presided over unprecedented prosperity. Clinton is the best Republican president in living memory.

When Obama started out, he was double digits behind in the polls, not just with the general population, but with African-American voters in South Carolina. Remember that? It was in the period of history B.W. (before Winfrey). Never been too interested in makeovers (I was over 40 when I first learned what "foundation" as a cosmetic term was). Now Obama is the inevitable Democratic nominee, having scaled what I thought simply wasn't going to be scaled -- the walls of the fortress constructed by the Democratic Party machine to prevent an insurgent candidacy such as his.

At this point, the choice of VP looms large. I have been URGING people to contact both the Obama campaign AND any glitterati they can get hold of, urging the former -- A WOMAN WHO NEVER SUPPORTED THE IRAQ WAR RESOLUTION, NOT HILLARY for VP, and the latter, if they agree NOT HILLARY, to get some other glitterati together and put out a full page NY TIMES type ad (Tom Hayden estimated the cost at $30-40K, which is peanuts for people in that class, even though I don't think I've ever had that much net wealth myself, at age 51), calling for NO HILLARY FOR VP. It would be especially interesting to have a HUGE number of female feminists sign it.

But this latest gaffe is nothing less than disgusting. OK, granted. But it was a blunder -- of someone under enormous pressure. Some people may not know what it's like to be under more unbelievable pressure than can humanly be borne. Well, if they did, they wouldn't gloat. And so OBVIOUSLY and SHAMELESSLY. It makes me embarrassed for many of my fellow Obama supporters. I understand the trashings that have gone on on DU, and have followed every nasty turn both here and of the HRC campaign for the last six months. No I haven't been living on top of a mountain in the Himalayas. I know race-baiting when I see it, and boy have I seen it! But when it gets to the point of actually GLOATING over something like that, and PUBLICLY ON DU, I have to say something, and now I have.

I don't know what more to say.

Now let's see what we can do to get the BEST VP possible on the ticket (my own pick is Barbara Boxer, but Sebelius, Napolitano, or Stabenow might be excellent picks), someone who will insure that Obama waltzes over McCain in November, b/c I for one am worried, given the nature of the MSM, who have already marketed McCain as a "maverick". Remember -- it may be fun to gloat, but what will it mean to spend another 4 years in Iraq, another few trillion, and the future of the planet's environment's investment squandered on sheer "crackpot realism" as C Wright Mills termed American militarism?

I hope that not a single more gloating thread about the RFK gaffe will appear from now on.
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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:33 PM
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1. I am not gloating. I am pissed and astounded at her supporters.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:36 PM
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2. Who is gloating?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:37 PM
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3. I don't see gloating. I see people that are angry and offended
and rightful so. I see some pathetic people still defending this woman, even though she has become indefensible. I think you are misreading the situation.
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:38 PM
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4. Who's gloating? I have moved from vomit to dry heaves after RFK remark.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:39 PM
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5. Who the fuck is gloating? People are pissed off, and rightfully so.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:40 PM
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6. who's gloating? I'm fucking disgusted.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:40 PM
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7. people are still trying to metabolize this shock
gloating is for later

I'm not going to read all that shit, sorry

don't tell people how to feel
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:41 PM
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i only gloat when i'm happy
Edited on Fri May-23-08 09:41 PM by NatBurner
this is justified anger

her silence on this issue is much louder than that fakeass apology, trust
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:41 PM
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8. not gloating.
offended and angry. period.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:41 PM
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9. What Clinton said wasn't a gaffe. It was intentional. i am not gloating, I'm loathing.
I'm beyond disgusted.

I'm saddened that any human could be so despicable. Especially a woman who claims to be a Democrat.

This was the 3rd time (first on camera) said said essentially the same thing.

She's in it to win it if and when someone assassinates our front runner.

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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:36 PM
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12. Well said John Q
If some right winger had said this I would be angry but from a former dem first lady whom we all defended for years? Nothing to gloat about there, loathing--- yep.
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TimesNY Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:45 PM
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10. I am not GLOATING! I am expressing ANGER.......there's a big difference
How anyone could have been elevated to the stature of a U. S. Senator, without EVER holding elected office, how that person, no matter who he or she is, no matter what race, how THAT person could scandalize and insult and assault the feelings and hopes and dreams and fears of Americans and still think they should be elected President...............what unadulterated GAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gloating? no! Anger YES!
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:50 PM
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11. It's impossible to gloat. I'm too disgusted beyond words.
Watch the video with her comments today.

Realize that her words today were intentional.

Then take a moment and try to understand the historical context of it all.

A presidential candidate defending their right to stay in the race because, as far as we know, the other presidential candidate could get shot and killed, because it's happened before.

Pointing this out is not gloating. It's putting it into a real perspective. I'm not dancing on Hillary's grave. I'm mourning the fact that she used this cold, calculated, intentional comment in an attempt to further her candidacy.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:42 PM
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13. Who's gloating? We're too busy
fucking trying to save our country from the death squad.

Jeezus..let's spare hilary any embarrassment by all means.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:31 PM
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14. I don't know how anyone can mistake gloating...
for anger and sorrow. The memories that she has evoked of every painful part of our country's history is just unbelievably sad.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:38 PM
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15. Gloat? What is there to gloat about? We are rightfully angry. There's been more
Edited on Fri May-23-08 11:38 PM by WA98296
than today. She's brought the RFK assassination up three times according to MSNBC. It isn't a mistake, it's a dog whistle, or a thinly-veiled suggestion to some lunatic. That is the extent of her greed.


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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:38 PM
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16. Another "nanny thread?" Right on time.
:eyes:
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:42 PM
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17. GLOAT? This almost sounds like push-poll framing.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 12:37 AM by Tatiana
No one is gloating over this.

Hillary's comments were sad and tragic. We've CRIED over Hillary's comments. Shed tears because she's invoked something that is so horrific, we don't want to remember it.

As a Democrat, I wish she had never uttered those words.

I'd never want to see her go out like this. Never.
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iconicgnom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:57 PM
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18. gloating? no. sad, in a way? yes. Hopeful? definitely

y'know, the GE campaign has started. McCain started it alone long ago. But now Obama has entered the ring and he's taking on McCain 1-on-1, and have been for some time. It's way past time to realize that. It's way past time to leave behind Hillary's antics - and that's what they are. It's time to turn our focus 100% on defeating McCain and the criminals that he represents.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:46 AM
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19. OK -- I'M CALLING BS ON THESE PROTESTATIONS!!!!!!
Edited on Sat May-24-08 05:54 AM by cloudythescribbler
(for the record, I agree that her nauseating, disgusting remark was most charitably described as appallingly stupid, and many including myself cannot help but react accordingly, but there sure ARE plenty of expressions of the kind of gloating attitude I call out on DU -- I just preferred not to start out calling out individual threads ...)

Here's a list merely of SELECT instances of threads that are snarky and or especially gloating, some of them more brazenly, some more between the lines:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6105543

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6104629

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6103605

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6102826

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6102556

PRIOR to my posting the thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6101443

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6100803

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6100722

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6099974

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6099602

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6099094

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6098272

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particularly telling is this one, w/responses to an apparently innocent query:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3333592

... and this is just a light sampling folks -- if you go thru comments and comb through threads going back further or examine more closely, no doubt this list could be expanded mightily

Still, the mean-spiritedness of this response from one particularly harsh Hillary apologist/Obama-trasher cannot be overlooked:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6102132

I confess, folks, this last one takes the cake ...

BUT STILL MY "NANNY THREAD" POINT STANDS


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