Crybabies Do NOT Always Get Their Way.

[NoodleyAppendage]

The office of Vice-President is not a consolation prize, and just because you have worked as a politician and your hubby was Pres does NOT entitle you to the position. If the shoe were on the other foot, I can guarantee you that Obama would not be scrapping behind the scenes to become Hillary's VP. Why? Because he has demonstrated throughout this primary season that he plays fair and by the rules...and he has a self-repect and dignity that would not allow him to grovel for a seat at the table.

Obama does NOT need Clinton. Clinton needs Obama. And, that's a fact Jack. This is all about the Clinton "legacy" (for whatever it is worth now) and the terror of Bill Clinton that Obama will outshine his Presidency. As usual, this whole lingering, festering boil of Hillary's campaign is about THEM, not what is in the best interests of our country.

I'm sick of the Bushes and the Clintons. It is TIME TO MOVE ON. Just because your last name is Clinton or Bush DOES NOT ENTITLE YOU TO HIGHER OFFICE. This is still a democracy, not a monarchy.

J

[Zuiderelle]

1. Personally, I think it's the only chance we have to win. They need to be on the ticket together.

And it IS in the best interest of our country, that we win.

[NoodleyAppendage]

8. That's a bullshit meme being promulgated by the Clinton camp.

Clinton on the ticket will only energize the right wing further to vote against the Democrats in the Fall. A middle-of-the-road VP choice from the "heartland" would fair MUCH better than Clinton.

Don't buy into the meme that the Clinton camp has planted in the media that "she is necessary for a win." The cold truth is, she is NOT necessary. She NEVER was necessary. She only thought she was necessary and it was that very sense of entitlement that sunk her campaign from day one.

J

[Zuiderelle]

10. No, it came from me. I'm not a puppet, it's was I believe, and have since last year.

I'm not buying into anything. Seems to me that you however are buying into your own bullshit.

[ShortnFiery]

21. Who, because you don't have FAITH in the American Voters - believes in WEDGE politicking?

Just asking because you posted CYNICAL below. :shrug:

[Zuiderelle]

25. Who? What? "CYNICAL" I'm very confused by your response.

Can you try again?

[polpilot]

26. Pro-War Clinton VP v. Pro-War McCain. Won't work. It's not about liking or disliking Clinton. She

has no credibility. She voted for and supported the bombing of Iraq and now claims she didn't know what she was doing. I know: flawed intelligence reports...blah...blah..blah. Well people died, the U.S. went into the dumper and nbow we have instability and $4 gas. This is called net return on your actions. If Obama has her as VP then the demos lose the election by 2-3% and the whining continues. Just a bit of political reality with Hill on the ticket:

(1) Repubs raise more money than God
(2) Repubs and independents rally: 'Well, she voted for the war, too & McCain has more experience...why NOT vote for McCain?
(3) Combine this mindset with 'and he's black'...why NOT vote for McCain?
(4) Well...it'll be another Clinton administration...why NOT vote for McCain?

We have an insurmountable lead in this country with the 'THE IRAQ WAR WAS WRONG AND HOW MUCH ARE GAS PRICES?'

Throw Clinton on the ticket and you'll hear the Repub celebration begin.

[Zuiderelle]

28. We are at polar opposites on this then. I think an Obama/Clinton ticket would unify us.

And give us just the numbers we need to pull this out.

[polpilot]

31. #'s suggest we shouldn't consider 'need to pull this out' but we need clarity on the

important issues. The #'s show the the Repubs are gone. McCain's link to Bush will kill him this fall. Obama will slam him to death on the Iraq War, the '100 years in Iraq' statement and combined with this economy he currently has 'no chance'. 'We sent our money and young soldiers 10,000 away to fight a war based on lies and you still, Sen. McCain, don't realize that it was a mistake'. This is very troubling, Sen. McCain, very troubling for most Americans'. 'When on destabilizes a region, like we did in Iraq, the natural consequence is higher gas prices and record profits for the oil companies and this is the policy you intend to continue and embrace..Sen. McCain..and this is very troubling for most Americans.' Most American families can't afford $4 gasoline because the Republicans want to fight wars in the desert 10K away from America. You can't continue down this path Sen. McCain. American families want jobs, and better schools, and relief from this $4 gas, Senator.' You can't continue to support George Bush's policies, American families can't afford the mistakes the Republicans have made.'

[global1]

17. Three Strikes And Your Out.......

I can't believe that 59+ million people can get it wrong again for a third time. John McCain is a third Bush term - and the American people know it.



My prediction is - it won't matter who Barack's VP choice will be - we will have a Dem president Jan '09.

[Zuiderelle]

24. You're absolutely right. Without and Obama/Clinton ticket, McCain will be the president.

I would put good money on it, as depressing a thought as it is.

[slinkerwink]

18. I don't think that's true.

[Zuiderelle]

27. Can you say why you don't think it's true?

[NoodleyAppendage]

32. Crickets chirping incessantly...

It's only a "feeling," I guess. Typical of those not grounded in reality.

J

[Oceansaway]

2. well said...n/t....

[ShortnFiery]

3. Well Put. I'd only add that the VP slot is not DUE to some Clintonian DLC lackey either. eom

[NashVegas]

4. Obama Needs Clinton's Electorate: Fact

Without HC's voters, BO does not get elected.

[K Gardner]

6. A few crybabies does not = Electorate: Fact.

[ShortnFiery]

7. The Clinton Electorate will vote for an Obama ticket withOUT her or one of her lackeys on it.

I have more faith in the "good judgment" of the American People.

[Zuiderelle]

15. Faith in the good judgment of the American People? LOL!!!

Yes, that would be why we've had the shithead we've had in office for the past 8 years. Because of the "good" judgment of the American people.

[ShortnFiery]

19. Because we PLAYED THE SAME GAME that the GOP has ... welcome to "a change"

And YES, when given "straight arguments" vice race baiting and ad hominem attacks, I do HAVE FAITH in the good judgment of the lion's share of the American People. :patriot: :hi:

[Zuiderelle]

29. Why would you have faith, when Bush was elected by them twice?

I have complete faith in the American people that McCain will be our president if it's not Obama/Clinton on the ticket for us.

[ShortnFiery]

30. And here you say you're NOT Cynical?!? Your response is pure cynicism. eom

[Zuiderelle]

33. Learning from the past is not cynicism. It's being practical.

[Zuiderelle]

12. Agreed.

[Occam Bandage]

14. Obama doesn't need to make her VP to get them: Fact.

[NC_Nurse]

5. I think she would sink the ticket.

[ShortnFiery]

11. Having the HillBillys on the ticket would be like Obama adopting The Menendez Brothers.

Not a good option. :scared: He'd also have to hire a FOOD tester.

No, we are done with all THAT, i.e., politicians who play off of racial prejudices (use dog whistles) to divide an electorate.

[rucky]

9. True,

but there are valid strategic advantages to inviting her onto the ticket. Some by her own design, and some just because she has a loyal following.

[NoodleyAppendage]

13. You can't change the system when your VP was a big part of the problem.

Deeper down I suspect the push for her as VP is seen as a last ditch effort by the DLCers to maintain their power base in Washington. Without VP representation they worry that there will be true reform and the Repuke-lite system they have estabished over the years for their own benefit will be lost.

J

[ShortnFiery]

16. Let go of "the dream"? It's not gonna happen just because HRC holds her breath or throws a tantrum.

:(

[rucky]

22. It would be almost as spiteful

to count her out simply because of that. And for the record - i can think of 5 better VP candidates off the top of my head.

Obama has to be really really objective about this decision - it's a delicate situation.

[ShortnFiery]

23. No, the award for "spiteful" fully rests in The Clinton Campaign. HRC wins on THAT score. eom

[crankychatter]

20. I wish it WAS self interest that drives them

but it's not

it's their war profiteer owned consigliere's

fuck 'em

she's dangerous and disingenuous

not to be believed

hell, I barely believe Obama

[NoodleyAppendage]

34. Agreed. The real problem is faux Dems like Hillary, Schumer, Feinstein, Lieberman, etc.

Sadly the party is overrun with them now, so it is going to take someone like Obama to restructure the system...I hope.

j