Ferraro may not vote for Obama. In other news, in 2009 women may lose their right to choose

[virtualobserver]

Ferraro is so irresponsible.

http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/19/ferraro-i-might-not-vote-for-obama/

[DemVet]

1. Losing the right to choose...more scare tactics from the Oba-maniacs

[virtualobserver]

3. it is scary.....one more Repub president and the Supreme Court will be right wing for a....

generation

[DemVet]

22. Possibly, and I'm not saying that isn't a concern, but...

...I don't think we have to worry about that in the long run. Worst Case Disaster Scenario: I don't think even a Conservative dominated court will overturn RvW. It just isn't going to happen.

[virtualobserver]

51. I'd rather not test your theory.

[WeDidIt]

52. You've got four definite votes to overturn right now

One more and that's it.

And there will be at least two and probably three appointments made in the next four years.

McCain as president means Roe is dead. Done. Finis.

[virtualobserver]

83. Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tale"

When I read that years ago, it was a frightening story, but I never saw it as realistic. It was a cautionary tale. But after seeing the post-911 America devolve under Bush, I was shocked to see how close we came, and given the right circumstances I wouldn't put anything past the right wing.

[bowens43]

78. RvW is the only thing we have to worry about

a concern with even greater implications is the interpretation of the Commerce Clause. A re-interpretation, which is possible if not likely , could effectively decimate nearly all environmental protections. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

[Kittycat]

109. Worst Case Scenario Disaster = Bush then McSameasBush

[leftofcool]

5. as though reproductive rights was the only womens issue

[virtualobserver]

11. I'm sure that John McCain will be the champion of womens issues that Ferraro is looking for

A right wing Supreme court ain't no big deal anyway

[NewHampshireDem]

28. You are entirely correct ... so let's take a look at what could be on the line

http://www.now.org/issues/judicial/supreme/#decisions

Some highlights:

Equal pay
Equal opportunity
Access to contraceptives
Educational opportunity
Protection for victims of domestic violence


Take your pick. Which ones don't really matter?

[slinkerwink]

95. John McCain voted against the ERA, and against the Equal Pay Act

[cali]

10. Jeffrey Toobin wrote a piece about this recently

He stated that he had no doubt that Roe would be overturned within a year of McCain appointing a Justice to replace Stevens who is 88 years old. That's not a tactic. It's simply information. Do with it what you will.

[leftofcool]

16. Didn't everyone say the same thing about Bush Jr?

[DemVet]

25. Yep.

Didn't happen, did it?

[cali]

42. You're wrong. Please see my post below.

And we are now 1 justice removed from Roe being overturned. It doesn't even have to be an Alito/Scalia/Thomas sort who replaces Stevens for this to happen.

[ellacott]

100. He didn't have the majority

There are still dissenting voices. Those dissenting voices happen to be the oldest ones who will be retiring.

[virtualobserver]

26. and they were right.......we are right on the knife edge

moderate Justices were replaced by hard right justices in Roberts and Alito

[cali]

47. not entirely true. Roberts replaced Rehnquist who was hard right

Alito replaced the more moderate Sandra Day O'Connor.

[virtualobserver]

76. you are right, I guess I overstated it

[cali]

37. Actually:

No. Everyone did not say the same thing. With Sandra Day O'Connor the SC had 6 votes for retaining Roe: O'Connor, Breyer, Stevens, Ginsberg, Souter and Kennedy. Rehnquist was always opposed to Roe. When Rehnquist was replaced by Roberts, the status quo stayed the same. When O'Connor was replaced by Aliton, it shifted to 5-4. Should Stevens be replaced by a McCain appointment- and that will almost certainly be someone willing to overturn Roe- that will make it 5-4 against Roe. It's very difficult to keep a conservative appointee off the court as long as the person isn't unqualified or has a history of documented comments that would enable dems to keep him/her off.

I hope you look into this. It really isn't just scare tactics. I know you won't vote for Obama, but at least understand that it's very likely that Roe would be overturned by a very conservative court.

[Orangepeel]

105. Because Stevens is hanging on as long as he can n/t

[seabeyond]

31. it is a fact. how can that be scare tactic. get a repug in.... women may lose right to choose

you dont vote for a dem cause you are pissed a woman didnt make it in pres race (being a woman, i think this is a horrible way for a woman to progress)..... then you will get a repug in that will continue to fill the supreme court

not scare tactics... reality

[bowens43]

72. What is scary is that are Dems out there

who don't seem to understand the implications of another conservative on the Supreme court. Or even scarier, Dems who are so petty that they would sacrifice not only our party but our country and their children's futures because they didn't get their way.

[Zachstar]

91. Scare tactics? Do you deny that McCain will put a conservative Justice up and we will lose?

Or do you not care?

[Darth_Kitten]

94. Yeah, somewhere in between telling women they are irrelevant.......

and that women who support Hillary are out of touch and racist, they like to pretend they are all, like, progressive and stuff. :sarcasm:

[Occam Bandage]

107. John McCain isn't a scare tactic. He's the real alternative to Obama. Scary ain't a tactic here.

[mmonk]

2. Link or source?

[virtualobserver]

4. here

http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/19/ferraro-i-might-not-vote-for-obama/

[mmonk]

19. Thanks.

Those women really hate the cause of women. This will put the nail in the coffin for many advancements of women if the winner is republican. And they call us a cult.

[PFunk]

6. IF (and I do mean IF) this is true then it's a bad sign.

And maybe it is about time to for new blood to take over the democratic party. But only IF this is true.

[sfam]

7. Wait, she lives in NY, right? Who cares who she votes for. Her vote doesn't count...

BREAKING NEWS: If you live in a clear Red state or clear Blue state, your vote truly doesn't count. Whether you go or stay home, vote for the opponent or vote for your candidate, the outcome of your state has already been decided.

New York WILL go for Obama, even if Ferraro does not.


P.S. - if the above fact bothers you, perhaps you should be supporting majority vote for deciding the President instead of the electoral college. :)

[LizW]

14. Well, you finally said it

"You don't count"

We get it, really we do.

[sfam]

20. Perhaps you might count if you read my post...

But a sound bite is much better, ain't it, especially when it bears no resemblance to what I said.

[Blondbostonian]

58. Are you the same LizW over at Hillaryis 44?

If so, I don't want you anywhere near the Democratic party. Vote for whoever the hell you want.

[Benhurst]

17. Staying home does hurt, though. I live in NC and I think we have a

chance of booting Dole out in November. Sure, a vote for Obama down here will probably be a throwaway; but a vote against Lidda may very well matter.

[sfam]

32. Great point. There may be House or Senate races that make a difference...I just...

have envied those states who's votes actually matter in the GE, as I've never been in one. Till this year, that is. Finally, Virginia might have a chance.

And 2006, I had my first real vote for national office (Senate Race) since 1994. Was exhilarating! On top of this, Tom Davis is finally stepping down, so I might even get a real vote in the House race!

[virtualobserver]

21. by vocalizing this, she can influence many others....her voice counts even more than her vote

[NJSecularist]

8. I don't blame her.

Especially with how reckless Obama's campaign has been.

Obama is running the modern day Lee Atwater campaign.

[virtualobserver]

12. i blame her for not caring about the impact on women. Totally irresponsible

[NJSecularist]

23. I blame Obama for running a divisive campaign

And not caring about the impact it will have on women.

[yourguide]

30. You have yet to give one example

of how Obama has been sexist toward Senator Clinton.

[Colobo]

41. NJ Secularist can't. and won't, because there is none.

[yourguide]

59. Agreed and this nonsense is beginning

to tick me off.

A fellow dem (Ferraro) accusing the presumptive nominee of sexism when in fact there is NO sexism to be found.

[Colobo]

35. The only divisive thing about his campaign is that he didn't bend over

and let Hillary steam roll him. That's all some of you are truly complaining about- it was HER time to be president, and Obama dared to challenge her and beat her good.

Well, tough luck.

[sfaprog]

60. Bald-faced LIE

Is this all you have left? Completely baseless lies and smears against Obama?

[Zachstar]

92. Remember that if someone is posting Libel you can hit the alert button.

[tabatha]

85. Please provide examples.

The only thing that I have seen in this campaign is the kitchen sink being thrown at Obama.

And Obama has been nothing but a gentleman.

[cali]

13. Ridiculous hillbot bullshit. Quelle Surprise.

And yes, it's petulant and pathetic of Gerry. She's a sucky dem. Playing the stereotypical petualant pouting woman is something that I as a woman, really abhor.

[yourguide]

18. How...link please.

Give us any example of how sexist Obama has been towards Senator Clinton.

[seabeyond]

38. that is just crap. and we are talking about all the ills of our nation, it is petty

as a female who has ALWAYS stood up for the inequities of our gender, i cannot believe women are now protraying the wounded image of since a woman didnt win, i am not going ot vote for the best of our nation and you cant make me. it makes women not deserve to be considered if this is our response to a loss. shame on us as a gender.

[bowens43]

79. I am stunned by the inane babblings of the remaining hill supporters.

[tabatha]

87. Good lord.

What exactly did he do that was "Lee Atwater" like?

[Alexander]

9. Sounds like some of the resident Shillbots here.

I wonder if Ferraro has found DU.

[yourguide]

15. I want Ferraro to give one example

of how Obama has been sexist towards Senator Clinton. One. Just one.

He certainly did not say anything along the lines of "Women are not the weaker sex...as far as I know."

[sfam]

24. She's just pissed for being humiliated on the national stage, so she's taking it out on Obama...

Big surprise there.

[TommyO]

27. I guess Randi Rhodes was right.

[NashVegas]

29. Here's The NYT Article That Report Is Lifted From

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/19/us/politics/19women.html

Here's another quote from the article:

“I never heard anybody say she can’t be elected because she’s a woman,” said Ms. Napolitano

And she most likely won't, because most men who believe it know they'd get their asses handed to them for saying it.

[OzarkDem]

33. Very encouraging news

The fight for women's rights is always a difficult one as Americans are so comfortable with sexism. Its good to see the beginning of a movement in the Democratic party, one that's long, long, long overdue.

[yourguide]

34. Please provide one example of how

Obama has been sexist towards Senator Clinton.

[OzarkDem]

44. Obama isn't the only culprit

the DNC has had a lot to do with it also.

The entire message from beginning to end of Obama being the "winner" when he was behind or running even with Clinton is more than ample evidence.

The DNC's and Obama's interference in the campaign by suppressing the vote in FL and MI are two other very, very big examples.

Sexism isn't just about calling names or making offensive and demeaning remarks. Its also about using media messages and subterfuge to undermine a candidate when she's winning and she's a woman.

[yourguide]

56. BS

Give an example. You suggesting she is winning when she is losing does not make it true whether she is a woman or not.

Obama has been ahead in pledged delegates since the beginning.

Suppressing the vote??? HRC agreed that the votes in both states would not count, now she wants them to count.

Ozark...again provide me of an example of either the DNC or Obama behaving in a sexist manner toward Senator Clinton.

For your reference:

sex·ism (sĕk'sĭz'əm) pronunciation
n.

1. Discrimination based on gender, especially discrimination against women.
2. Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.

[virtualobserver]

70. Obama has led in pledged delegates from "beginning to end "

which is how the nomination is decided.

FL and MI decided their own fate.

Gov. Granholm, a Hillary supporter, was the primary proponent of the Michigan date change in direct opposition to DNC rules.

This fiasco was engineered by Hillary supporters

[Colobo]

36. Obama beat Hillary fair and square, but just because some of you wanted her to win

you plan to protest because he managed to beat her. It's pretty transparent and it's lame.

[Barack_America]

Clever strategy. To combat sexism, vote for the candidate who publicly calls his wife a cunt.

And one committed to appointing judges that will end reproductive freedom.

It all makes sense!

:eyes:

[OzarkDem]

48. Women are choosing NOT to vote

Your childish whining and lying are noted.

[mmonk]

57. Plenty of women will be voting.

Especially those that don't want to be set back a generation.

[Barack_America]

64. Actually, I was noting the childish whining and lying of Hillaryis44

Whose members WILL be supporting McCain.

[virtualobserver]

39. "It became necessary to destroy the village in order to save it."

[OzarkDem]

50. The village is destroying itself

and if you think Obama will win the GE, you're very naive.

The GOP will dispatch him shortly after Clinton is pushed out of the race.

Anyone want to take bets on how quickly that happens?

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

96. ooh. I would LOVE to take that bet.

I'm naive? You're full of shit. You have been asked repeatedly to provide one concrete example of sexism by Obama or the DNC, and you can't do it. Hillary had the deck stacked in her favor from the beginning, and she lost to a better candidate. Most candidates have the grace to drop out when it is clear they will not be able to win.

[seabeyond]

40. and fight for blacks has not been difficult? if this is the response

women give to a loss, then do we deserve to win? it is petty.

[Colobo]

43. For Ozark, "sexism" (whatever her definition is) > racism.

[seabeyond]

74. i am so fuckin tired of the sexism that seems to grow leaps and bounds last decade

it is disgusting. pure filth. and i am the first to be in the front lines.

i am also disgusted with the racism that is growing leaps and bounds the last decade. it is disgusting. pure filth

but to suggest hillary losing the primary is a result of sexism is going to exactly create a backlash of a greater atmosphere of sexism. the comments coming out of women because their candidate lost is poor loser, not a valid argument and stance against the rampant sexism in this nation

[Barack_America]

81. That's a very good point.

I never thought of "backlash sexism", but I agree that it is a dangerous possibility here.

[EmilyAnne]

45. Wow. That is incredibly selfish. I'm stunned.

[Barack_America]

46. Then Ferraro *might* not be a Democrat.

Maybe that's what she's been trying to tell us all along with her little outbursts.

Message received, Geraldine.

[OzarkDem]

53. ....

:rofl:

Lee Atwater is your hero, eh?

[Barack_America]

65. No, Carl Levin.

And John Conyers.

[earthside]

49. Ferraro and McCain ...

... are the same age.

This is a perfect example of why it would be dangerous for the U.S. to elect a cranky old geezer as President.

Poor judgement and brittleness.

[OzarkDem]

You choose to support Obama

which gets you McCain. You may want to consider doing a little vetting of your candidate next time.

[Buzz Clik]

54. And to think ... if the vote had turned out differently, she'd have been a heartbeat away.

:scared:

[CreekDog]

55. but she was very racist

although she doesn't see anything wrong with that. :eyes:

[Freddie Stubbs]

61. I don't think that Ferraro is at much risk of an unwanted pregnancy

[Barack_America]

80. And it's well known that younger women haven't been as "supportive" of Hillary.

So I'll guess we'll be getting our punishment for not monolithically supporting a woman.

That's some *liberation*, eh?

[Peacetrain]

62. Voting

This will be my first post in Democratic Underground..though I have lurked here for years and read news snippets etc, and enjoyed the opinion posts, I never felt the need to post anything of my own..This type of silliness has changed my mind..I am from Iowa, and we went for Obama in a big way.. I took the opportunity to see everyone, and Senator Clinton, was unimpressive and assumptive of her getting the nomination..just a couple of the reasons why we did not vote for her.

But the one thing I would NOT do is endanger our hard won rights to our own bodies because of not having my candidate in win..and Mrs. Ferraro is just symptomatic of what I have seen posted in here for the last couple of months..I would vote for Senator Clinton in a heartbeat if she were the candidate.

Senator Obama has never attacked Senator Clinton in the way so many of his supporters on this board and out in the real world seem to have taken on,... In fact it has been the other way round.. who you are mad at is each other.. be mad.. throw cups at the monitor.. what ever works..but do not risk our rights on perceived hurt feelings

[mckeown1128]

75. Welcome to th posting side.

:) Please feel free to post again. No need to lurk. Share your opinions. ;)

[liberaldem4ever]

82. Hi peacetrain

It took me 6 years of coming to DU and reading to finally start posting but I am so glad that I did. I feel like I finally have a voice and something to contribute.

I wish that all the people who hadn't had to make the heart breaking choice to have an abortion would stop and listen to the people who did have to make that choice like I did. I am not proud to say that I had an abortion but I am proud that my government gave me the choice to chose whether or not to do it.

Please don't let your dislike of Obama or anything else keep you from voting Dem in Nov. I don't know what would have happened to my family if I hadn't had the choice that I had 10 years ago. Please don't give a Repub the chance to appoint more Supreme Court judges who might overturn RvW. Please think of the women who will need to make that choice in the future.

[Peacetrain]

84. Thank you for the welcome

and I will post again I am sure.. This is just one of those things that should drag everyone off the sidelines..In my heart of hearts I know Senator Clinton would not want or approve or desire this type of reaction..and I would not have posted on it now, except that Mrs Ferraro is such a powerful part of our democratic history.. and for her to take this attitude, just floors me.. I can't for the life of me understand it.. and just for reference I am a 59 year old woman..I am just amazed..

[liberaldem4ever]

98. I loved Geraldine Ferraro so much when she ran for VP

I had so much respect for her. I just think she has so much invested in getting seeing a woman elected President in her lifetime that she has said things she will regret later. Or maybe she wasn't the person I thought she was in the first place. Either way it makes me sad.

It's good to hear from you peacetrain. I took me a while to get started posting but it's been fun to speak my mind on DU. :hi:

[Peacetrain]

111. Amazing

I was remember what you posted yesterday ld4ever..and I was thinking also how excited I was at that time, when Geraldine Ferraro was a beacon for women to move forward in politics..and now, I feel sad and disheartened by the attitudes she expresses..Maybe you are right, maybe she never was the person that I so admired.

And you are right.. It is much better to get into the discussion and not side on the sidelines

[high density]

63. Something doesn't add up here

After reading the NY Times article, I'm amused by these female Clinton supporters that say in one breath "it was their time" and then whine about sexism in the next breath. Clinton lost because she offered nothing but "I'm a woman" and a trip back to the 1990s.

[marshall]

66. Throwing something away is not the same thing as losing it

[WeDidIt]

67. Ferraro proves to be an ANTI-CHOICE PETULANT CHILD!

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Ferraro becomes a Repuiblican.

Ferraro becomes Anti-Choice.

Sad, truly sad.

[sfam]

73. Well, she does work at Fox. She might be trying to get in good with her meal ticket....nt

[WeDidIt]

77. I never expected to see her become anti-feminist, though

It's truly sad.

[MrsT]

68. Well then she may not be very intelligent.

Sad.

[Name removed]

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[powergirl]

71. Notice that there has not been a single public official - current or present who has threatened

to NOT vote for Clinton if she was the nominee. Not one. That shows you who the people are that really care about this party. Ferraro ought to be ashamed.

[Renew Deal]

86. Ferraro isn't fond of black people.

So that's no surprise.

[Vinca]

88. When I read posts such as this - Hillary supporters who won't vote

for Obama - I am grateful for my husband. He's a Canadian and if McCain is elected, we're out of here. The country is at a tipping point. We can take it back, or we can cede it to the right wing nutjobs. The choice, apparently, is with Hillary supporters.

[jgraz]

89. What does she care? As long as she gets to choose bourbon or scotch, she's happy.

[meow mix]

90. K&R good job on supporting ferraro, hillary fans

fucking sick asses

[TheZug]

93. "They’re animals anyway so let them lose their souls."

[Darth_Kitten]

97. Let me get this straight, Obama supporter, women are now ANIMALS?

:eyes:

[virtualobserver]

99. that is a quote from "The Godfather" rationalizing the selling of drugs to black people

sounds like an unfriendly joke to me

[Independent-Voter]

101. I can't say I'm surprised at this. Hillary's "Vagina-Only" crowd is bitter as hell

[Oilwellian]

102. "irresponsible" is too kind

"vile" comes to my mind.

[BklynChick]

103. that just speaks volumes about her.

[madrchsod]

104. "we won`t go back"

[The Ghost]

106. How ironic. Ferraro is the sexist.

[eridani]

108. Ferraro to Lily Ledbetter--FUCK YOU! n/t

[Toucano]

110. First of all, that ship has sailed. Bush has already tipped the court.

2004 was the year that mattered. Roe v. Wade is as good as dead.

As for the other matter, Ferraro will come around. It's just hubris. She is a good and hard-working Democrat who thought this was the election cycle for Sen. Clinton. She bought the inevitability argument and it's a bitter pill to swallow when it didn't come true.

We need to stop overreacting to every little thing, and demonizing people who have a different opinion.

[book_worm]

112. Who was the last person who cared what Ferarro thought?

[cbc5g]

113. not voting for obama this november or a vote for mccain

is a vote to roll back womens rights for a generation.

make your choice wisely.