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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:49 PM
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Obama: "Be Nice To Clinton Supporters"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/18/obama-be-nice-to-clinton_n_102335.html

For Dems to win in November, he said, it will require a unified Party, adding: "That means all of you have to be nice to Clinton supporters."

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Okay Obama people - Are you in?
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:52 PM
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1. Can't we all just get along.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:19 AM
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40. If all were like you, it would be easy.
You've been consistently gracious. Thank you for that.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:35 AM
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72. Some people here have indeed been downright elegant. That's the way to be anyway.
We have had MORE than enough of the poor winners out there - the ones who determined to gloat, rub it in, throw their weight around, kick us when we were down. It's gone on since that dreadful December night in 2000. And what kind of feeling does it leave? What kind of taste in the mouth?

While I never hesitate to be willing to mud-wrestle and otherwise fight dirty and don't care for a nanosecond about "wallowing down at their gutter level, THIS aspect of their behavior I would not want to emulate or share. Obama supporters should be graceful in their victory - at least in relation to their Democratic brothers and sisters. I must admit that I know it's the thing to do, too, following a final Obama victory in November, but I'm wavering.

Even so - I remember this friend I had - a fellow artist who created some pretty nice work and was starting to get some local notice for it. I didn't realize how rabid a bush/republi-CON freak she was until after Selection 2000. She was utterly disgraceful. A bunch of us got together for an afternoon and there were a few of us who were really feeling rather sucker-punched by the Supreme Court-ordered stopping of the vote and what that then meant. She knew our politics and knew how we felt. And yet, here comes this gal strutting around in great smugness, describing a party to which she'd been invited, that she was eager to attend. It was to be in a few days. She described how she knew there were going to be quite a few Gore supporters there and that as a result she planned to gloat and wear a western shirt and cowboy boots and hat and really swagger up a storm. She went on to brag about how "It's gonna be so much better. I think he's going to unite the country and blah-blah-blah..." And I will never forget how I felt. I will never forget how I felt toward her. Suddenly changed my entire impression of her, and I'd known her for several years already. All of a sudden, I didn't like her anymore and didn't want to be around her or socialize with her anymore. And I haven't seen her in years.

I'd hate to leave that kind of impression on somebody else. I guess it would depend on whether they'd been a schmuck or not. There again, I have a problem, because there's a part of me that jumps straight into - "well, if they keep voting republi-CON and they keep swallowing that toxic shit again and again and they keep defending it and they don't bother to educate themselves and their minds are that closed, THEN, THEY ARE SCHMUCKS! By definition!!!

Oh well. At least HERE, Dem-to-Dem, we should be sweet to each other. Some of the wounds are deep and profound, and understandable. Those of us whose candidate does not prevail need time to be able to grieve, and a respect for that process. And those others of us whose candidate does prevail need to consider how best to carry the other's banner with ours the rest of the way.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:52 PM
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2. You first
Thats my way of saying its up to BOTH sides.

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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:59 PM
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7. Why do you hate Obama? And why are you sabotaging his campaign?
If he's asked you (nicely) to get along, why wouldn't you comply? It's no big thing to just bite one's tongue and get along.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:05 PM
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10. So you DONT think its up to both sides?
Thats says a lot.
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:17 PM
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14. Forgiveness is an unconditional act
It's sort of like traffic's 'right of way' it is something that only can be yielded, not assumed or taken. I am only suggesting if your candidate asks you to yield the right-of-way, you do it as it diminshes you in absolutely no way.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:30 PM
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16. When someone has beaten you up, it's ok to forgive him.
When someone is in the process of beating you up it is damned insane to forgive him between punches.

When the Hillary supporters STOP, then I will stop.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:31 PM
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17. remember Gandhi? Remember Jesus?
It's better to kill them with kindness than it is with anger.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:01 AM
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24. Gandhi got himself assassinated, and Jesus (if he existed) was
crucified.

If they stop their shit, I will too. But if they keep throwing punches, it is NOT over.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:30 AM
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48. good lord.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:33 AM
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94. dangit, i was just getting a full head of steam on
and you remind me of Ghandi. I dont know if im done fighting back yet. As long as they attack ill counter. Best bet for everyone is: "dont start none, wont be none"
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:56 PM
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21. We won, they lost, it's up to us to take the lead
Clinton supporters are human and they are going to be upset because a candidate that they were emotionally invested in lost. They will come around eventually.
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:55 PM
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3. It's all I've wanted from the beginning
I suppose it's hard for people to be disagreed with and swallow their pride without resorting to name calling. Truthfully, the toughest, most hard core arguments I've had have been with fellow Obama supporters.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:07 PM
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12. Me too
The only person who told me they put me on ignore was an Obama supporter.
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:21 PM
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15. I have exactly one person on ignore
I am aging quickly and have only two eyes. Given these facts, I simply choose to eliminate as much chaff as possible in my life. Some words and thoughts are too egregious and hateful to waste such precious time dealing with.
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Egalia Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:55 PM
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4. Too bad
it's too late.
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:57 PM
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6. So you don't support your candidate? nt
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:55 PM
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5. Self delete. Dupe
Edited on Sun May-18-08 10:56 PM by KSinTX
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:04 PM
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8. I'm in but, really, people should base their views of Obama on Obama not nameless, faceless people
on the Internet or other supporters not connected to the campaign.

I can honestly say my views on HRC are based purely on her and her campaigns' actions and words.


That being said, I completely agree with the "be nice" direction. Really, did anyone expect anything less from Obama?
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rove karl rove Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:24 AM
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69. nice does not mean submitting to
just showing them some respect, which Obama usually has - he's always been far "nicer" than the majority of his supporters, no offense meant to anyone here.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:04 PM
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9. I like them all.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:28 AM
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71. Katz - we like you a lot.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:06 PM
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11. I'm in
I've tried to be nice since I started posting here. I haven't been perfect...sometimes Clinton supporters have made me really mad. But I have tried and will keep trying.

After months of lecturing other Obama supporters, I'm glad my candidate is now saying what I've been saying for a while about not burning bridges. Hopefully they will listen to him more than they listened to me.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:11 PM
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13. I've already been in. I hope others follow Obama's lead as well.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:51 PM
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18. Bless you Pirhana !
I still love ya girl! We shall overcome this primary.:pals:
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:04 AM
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29. Awww!! You and I will overcome this primary, but
I'm afraid there has been alot of harsh words said and there will be bad feeling between some people for awhile.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:54 PM
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19. I was a fony hillaryclintonforum.net member to study them and Boy are they BITTER...
I have been roaming around there and commenting along side them (mascarading as another "Hater") and after being in their crowd for a short while i can honestly tell you that it really isnt about Obama's policy or his character as it really is an absolute HATE for his "not waiting his turn"....they see it in terms of a woman being denied the highest office by a man who they feel is trying to hold her down (and thus, all women in america) and those other men that support him (e.g. John Edwards, DNC, and yes even NARAL) are in a big conspiracy to hold back the rising woman...but it is Obama who is the living-breathing embodiment that is receiving their panic-striken, so-close its in our hands, frustrations they are all feeling.

I also know that some of their members (about 10%) are definitely openly racist and comment with such vile and distaste that it shocks me that the moderators dont ban the messages and the members. Interestingly, the rest of the community doesnt see anything wrong about saying direct racist things (like hanging the man from a tree) but i dont think it is because these women believe it, it is just that they are so frustrated that comments like those dont get fully processed in their minds since they are still caught up in the idea that she can still win...no matter how bleak.

Interestingly, they all think she still has a chance despite the math....they are looking through a narrow tunnel view and although Hillary and her campaign have made it clear that they cant win, her supporters dont even see that.

Many of her supporters are or have made it known that they will switch affiliations in support of McCain...several have made it clear that they "WON'T" stay home and give Obama a chance to win....for them it is to vote McCain so as to make Obama lose. To them its revenge rather than logic...sure, it ultimately destroys their values and way of life in the end by voting McCain but at this moment they dont care.

After all my analysing i can say that i feel about 20% will go all the way and vote McCain or stay home while the rest will vote Obama despite how they feel right now. There is no evidence that i can provide to back that up except that my intermingling with them for these weeks made me feel that they are genuine, smart people (mostly women) who want a better world and who arent racist (most weren't -- some you could clearly see had a deep hatred solely because of color) and deep down dont want to vote McCain. In part to bring them back in will be some of Obama's future actions but i think most of what will change their minds to vote Obama will be mostly time (their friends i noticed were Obama supporters and since friends have impacts on peoples lives, will start to sway them back into the fold). In the end, to get them back will require hillary to drop out (and her making a speech about voting Obama and her doing "some" campaigning in support of him -- i strongly doubt she will do much)and for Obama to continue to highlight McCain's Bush-II storyline....as more and more people get to know McCain (this will be the 1st time for most americans really) then these Hillary supporters will realize how much a mistake it is to vote for him (e.g. he will take away their womens rights to choose).

We will see.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:03 AM
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27. In the interest of having some good opinion of humanity...
I know what you mean, but I take those worst as a fringe minority incapable of swaying an election. "There simply are not enough nutjobs around to make a real difference" is my official position.

At my age, having been raised with an easy acceptance of gender equality, to see demonstrated otherwise would be a serious blow...perhaps women are really unsuited for such things? I don't believe it...but doubt has been sown by HRC. She still has time to resolve things to the benefit of our party.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 02:12 AM
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106. "perhaps women are really unsuited for such things? I don't believe it..."
Edited on Tue May-20-08 02:12 AM by WinkyDink
Sure, you don't. That's why you brought it up.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #19
31. When that kind of zeal collides with reality, the results can get uglier than many imagine.
I'm not fully confident that the road to November will be entirely navigable. I lived through the 60s as an adult.

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:22 AM
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43. Somehow I don't think this is an accident.
The Clintons aren't just coincidentally dividing the country and helping out the party of big business, and I doubt it has much to do with 2012.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:06 AM
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32. Didn't you hear what Obama said?
Knock it off!

There are alot of people that have been supporting Hillary since day one.
They believe in her. Of course they are going to be angry....
as Obama supporters would be if Hillary was going to be the nominee.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #32
41. "Be nice to Clinton supporters" doesn't mean drink the kool-aid
much as you might like it to.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 02:07 AM
Response to Reply #19
103. And what makes you think you were the only "fony" posting there?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:55 PM
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20. Yup and I posted a thread about it a while back
Edited on Sun May-18-08 11:58 PM by Hippo_Tron
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:02 AM
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25. Yeah you did.
That was great :)
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:17 AM
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38. The problem is that some people on both sides think it's 1972 again
It isn't and frankly that's a good thing.

Obama and Clinton's coalition don't have the substantive differences between them that Muskie and McGovern's coalitions did. The difference is merely that one side prefers one candidate and one side prefers another candidate. That's not enough to fracture the party.

There's some generational infighting, in particular, and some other rivalries but people will come together by November.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #38
63. Ever hear of the DLC?
This is a fight for the soul of the party.

The DLC set up the FL/MI fiasco, just to discredit Dr Dean and the DNC. The DLC has taken the postion of being a 'Third Way' - which is neither Republican NOR Democrat. And their candidate continues to undermine the Democratic candidate who stands between them and the White House.

This isn't about gender. This isn't about generations.

It is about standing for Democratic principles against neo-lib imperialism.

The soul of the party.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:41 AM
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75. You're overdramatizing
Edited on Mon May-19-08 01:44 AM by Hippo_Tron
First of all, Dr. Dean was a member of the DLC back in the 1990's. He's moved a bit to the left since then but not drastically. I'm sure the DLC would probably like to get rid of Dean but not because of huge fundamental policy differences. They simply want one of their own in power. It doesn't even matter anyway because President Obama is going to get to appoint the next DNC Chair who will then take orders from President Obama. Dean won't be appointed again, either, because he isn't the type to take orders.

Also, you may not know this, but Dean's campaign manager after he fired Trippi was Roy Neel, who was Deputy Chief of Staff for Bill Clinton. If the Clintons and the DLC are really his enemies I can't imagine why he would let someone who was high up in the Clinton Administration run his campaign.

The DLC isn't a cohesive group either. It has members that voted against the IWR and almost every other right wing pieces of legislation. Obama has DLC members supporting him. And frankly his policies are marginally different from Hillary Clinton's.

The netroots may be more idealistic than the DLC but they generally support candidates that are just marginally to the left of the DLC.

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:43 AM
Response to Reply #75
85. DLC is not about 'right' or 'left'.
It is about neo-lib economic and, if necessary, military imperialism. The DLC is essentially the corporatist wing of the party, and they try to draw everyone in, but real democrats refuse. Dean refused, and they killed him in the 04 primaries. Gore's turning away from the DLC cost him the election in '00. The DLC undercut Kerry/Edwards in '04, to set up Hillary's run this year. They are anti-labor, anti-progressive, anti-populist, and if they want a "third way" they are welcome to leave MY party and go start their own fucking party.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:03 AM
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87. Gore, Obama, and Dean are marginally less neoliberal than the DLC
And I'm being generous in that assessment. Gore is out of elected office and is now able to speak his mind and so naturally people like what he has to say a lot better. He still thinks NAFTA was a good idea and hasn't changed his position on trade.

Dean used anti-NAFTA rhetoric in his campaign just like Clinton and Obama are doing now. And on policy they're all about the same. When Obama gets into office he's going to find that there's not a whole lot he can do to make the countries we trade with clean up their human rights or bring back outsourced jobs.

And Kerry and Edwards were DLC members back in 2004 so I really don't think the DLC undercut them. Hillary may have secretly not wanted them to win so she could run in '08, but that's mere speculation and impossible to prove.

The bottom line is that Obama and Dean are not fundamentally different from Clinton on economic issues. What we have is battle over egos, not a battle over principles.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:34 AM
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51. And being mean to Obama supporters silly n/t
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:38 AM
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54. Once of the 5 stages of grief is anger
Some Clinton supporters are in a grief period right now. They were very emotionally tied to their candidate and she will probably not win. Naturally they will take out some of their anger on Obama supporters.

Some of them are Republican trolls. I can tell the difference a lot of the time. Sometimes it's hard, though.

So, no, I don't think their meanness is silly at least for the time being. In a month or so that might be a different story.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:58 PM
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22. We were always nice to Senator Clinton's supporters. I maintain
that Senator Obama cannot win without her supporters. Why are you broadbrushing us?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:00 AM
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23. Some Obama supporters are plain nasty
And while I don't think most of them are, a few bad apples give us a bad reputation. Some Clinton supporters are nasty as well. But I assume that some of them are just going through grief because their candidate is going to lose. Some of them are not and will remain nasty and likely get TS'd.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:04 AM
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28. I know, both sides have been awful, however, I ignored those posts and
never put anyone in ignore. I wanted to see the arguments on both sides. Some of Senator Clinton's supporters were really obnoxious, they put the obnoxious Obama supporters to shame. That is behind us now, let's look forward and support the presumptive nominee. No point going backwards!
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:03 AM
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26. I've been nice all along.
I'm running out of patience, though.

I'd like for more on both sides to follow suit, but I don't see that happening until some things change.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:05 AM
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30. Of course. But does that mean you'll be nice, too?
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:08 AM
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33. I'll take that with a grain of salt! That person never wasted any time
to lambaste Senator Obama. If it is coming around, then am all for it! But will have to wait and see!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:08 AM
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34. I'm not an Obama supporter - so I don't have to.
Joking!

I'm usually nice. Yes, I've had my moments - but I think we all have.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:32 AM
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96. Fair enough.
:)
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:42 PM
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97. You do know that I was joking - right?
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:11 PM
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98. Of course.
:hi:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:09 AM
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36. Of course not. Clinton supporters want free shots.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:40 AM
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101. Of Crown Royal.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:08 AM
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35. I want Dems to win every office in the land, I want to have a strong, unified party
Damn right I'm in. There'll be people on both sides that won't, however. Don't let that discourage you, though. I am first and foremost a Democrat, and will try to change my screen name if Skinner will let me, just to have a more generic Democratic moniker. It is not about one candidate, it is about a party that stands for the rights of ordinary people like ourselves. The Democratic Party.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:13 AM
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37. Touche, every progressive person wants that and the world wants
America to be the democracy she proclaimed, but shit, when is that gonna happen. More Clinton's, don't think so!
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:17 AM
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39. You know, I think many are trying,
Edited on Mon May-19-08 12:25 AM by Lisa0825
but it's really hard when putrid crap is still being posted by some still rabid Hillary supporters who are still hoping for something akin to a "dead girl or live boy," since that is the only way they can win at this point. My answer has been to stay away as much as possible, and just wait for the concession.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:22 AM
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42. I think you are wrong. Most Senator Clinton supporters know it is over,
please allow them to grieve and understand that she is not in the runnings. Why pile on them when they are down? That is when they are gonna dislike you. Let Senator Clinton's people be, sympathise with them and eventually try to bring them in. Insults have never worked!
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #42
47. I did say SOME.
Are you denying that there have been any awful posts about Obama by Clinton supporters? I could go pull some links for you if you like, but I think that would be contrary to the spirit of the OP.

And FWIW, *I* have not been piling on. I have just begun to resent the calls for us to keep turning the other cheek only to keep getting smacked. Why not start calling on fellow Clinton supporters to stop baiting Obama supporters? My point is that it is a two way street.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:20 AM
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82. I understand it is hard for you to forgive and forget, but I have never
said anything bad about Senator clinton. I never rallied with some of the obnoxious Obama supporters. I maintained that we have two great candidates running and either one would be better than a republican! Let bygones be bygones, that is the only way we can move forward, going backwards in not worth it!
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #82
90. I am not talking about forgiving and forgetting -
I am talking about the ONGOING spats. This shit is still going on. I am not holding grudges against those who have stopped, but there are quite a few still taking swings.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:31 AM
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49. Bingo.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #39
56. Lashing out isn't the way to feel better--
And posting stuff, especially angry stuff in this forum is not about to change anyone's opinion. The truth is, we're all die-hard partisans, not about to flip on a word or a whim of someone else's ! ;)

Obama supporters understandably have been happy with the results of the primaries. I hope our happiness as Obama's won more and more delegates isn't taken the wrong way. It's not gloating if we are just happy our candidate is winning. We wish all Dems would find a way to celebrate, because it really looks like he'll win big in November, too!

If it were the other way 'round, and Hillary was the presumptive nominee, I guess I'd be lurking mostly, not lashing out at her supporters. When John Kerry lost the election, it broke my heart, but I didn't lash out at anyone. A bunch of us got together in the DU-JK group and got through it. I can only hope the HRC supporters in here will do the same thing in their forum. I sympathize because it's rough.

At least she lost to another Dem, not some turnips-for-brains ideologue idiot that we already knew was horrible and could only look at the doom of another four years with extreme anguish!
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:58 AM
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59. I was a Deaniac who stood 15 feet from him during the infamous scream
I worked in my home state and traveled to New Hampshire and Iowa for Dean. Believe me, I know what disappointment feels like. But when his chances faded away, I did not lash out and try to tear down Kerry. I took my time to mourn, and then fell in line. I admit I didn't work for Kerry the way I did for for Dean, but I also did not work against him once he was the obvious presumptive nominee. The ones I have a beef with are those who are still trying to discredit Obama. It's over. I know what "over" feels like. I live in Texas. Almost every candidate I have ever voted for has lost. I do understand.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:24 AM
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44. i have been nice to hillary people. i have also argued and disagreed. is that allowed?
and,.... do hillary people get to own any of it?
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #44
46. You have to understand that their heroine is not going to be the nominee,
is it that hard to have some compassion. Gosh, I loved her in the beginning, still do. But I support Obama more. He is what America needs at this time!
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #46
50. None of the supporters of other candidates demanded this kind
of ass kissing.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:54 AM
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58. The other candidates have been out for months
Edited on Mon May-19-08 12:54 AM by Hippo_Tron
And lets be honest. First of all, there were very few attacks on the other candidates. Secondly, other than Edwards none of them had more than an outside chance and even their die-hard supporters knew this.

Many Edwards supporters were very upset when he dropped out and at times did lash out at Clinton and Obama. People in both camps tried to be sympathetic and draw the Edwards supporters to their side. Now that Clinton is likely going to drop out soon we should begin the process of doing the same for her supporters.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #58
67. "there were very few attacks on the other candidates"
And there's some VERY selective memory at work there. We never heard a thing about UFOs and haircuts and houses. We never heard any other candidate called a phony, or commie, or a corporate shill, or a has been.

Please don't try to rewrite history here.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:26 AM
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70. Edwards got way too much flack for the haircut and the house, I'll give you that
But as I recall the whole UFO thing with Dennis lasted for like a week and it was over. Edwards got some more attacks than the other candidates did because he actually stood a decent chance.

Honestly, though, there have been far more attacks between Clinton and Obama supporters simply because they've been going one on one for months now.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #50
61. Just be nice ok, Obama cannot win without Senator Clinton's supporters. Please
bear that in mind. Why are you being so divisive?
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #61
73. I'm not going to coddle
a bunch of grown ass men and women. The people posting this crap about wanting to have their ass kisseed on a messageboard before voting a certain way are pathetic, self centered, attention craving dipshits. They need to get over themselves and the worst thing to do is enable that kind of behavior.

That said, most of my posts have been about VP selections and the GE. If there were a GD: GE I wouldn't even visit GD:P
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:43 AM
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76. I understand, I have always admired you! Sometimes we want to
get really angry and say fuck it, but hang in there. Am trying my best to bridge the gap. So close and yet so far!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:37 AM
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53. we are adults, dealing with the real world. this is life. people handle it no better than creating
a politician as a herion then they surely set themselves up. i just went on a thread stating hillary should continue regardless. a poster says obama is a liar and yada yada yada.

i think it is ridiculous, and so childish that there are people actually asking then expecting to be treated with kid gloves

grow up

and yes i am a compassionate person
i understand disappointment
and i have never been flat out mean or just throwing insult

still

grow up
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #53
62. All I ask of you is to be nice to Senator Clinton's supporters. Senator Obama
need their votes in the GE. Come on, you know that is realistic!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #62
66. i KNOW that there will continue to be people that attack obama thru out the campaign
Edited on Mon May-19-08 01:17 AM by seabeyond
against obama while obama is trying ot go after mccain. and i know that they will do damage to obama for their own selfish reason and trying to "appease" them today will do absolutely nothing for me as i try to contain damage tomorrow.

i watched it with kerry

people didnt like that he won and the dlc did not like that kerry won. NO ONE was doing anything to them let alone "not being nice" and still they continued to jump on board with every bullshit rhetoric line msm and repug fed, helping to feed the very bullshit kerry supporters where trying to fight. perpetuating lies.

i have never been one to honor lie. even for the sake of begging for someones vote. it doesnt work. either they have the character and integrity to know what they have to do to get a dem in the whitehouse, or they dont give a fuck. what i do wont matter a hill of beans

and i have said.... i am already nice

but what you are looking for will do nothing to stop the hate, chaos and destruction of obama. that is the reality

i am not fighting what you are saying. i am disagreeing with you. and if i disagree with a hillary supporter, even with respect, it is not being mean.... it is disagreeing. i wont give that right up, to not agree with someone.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:40 AM
Response to Reply #66
74. Thank you for that lengthy message, but won't you agree with me
that we have to stop this stupid attack on Senator Clinton? Why can't we take the high road like our leader, Senator Obama? Gosh, he was really nice to Senator Clinton even when she shouted ... Shame on you Barack Obama ... shit, she found my weed, LOL. Let us take the high road, he is winning! Stay with me and let's support our guy! And now heavens is gonna open up and no celestial choirs coming down! That is when she totally lost me. How anybody can support her after that is beyond me, but not only children have been left behind in George Bush's legacy, a lot of adults have too!
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:45 AM
Response to Reply #66
77. exactly how I feel. thank you.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #62
68. And any Dem who will refuse to vote for Obama because someone
on a political board was not 'nice' to them

is not a Dem and can just fuck off.

A Democrat will support the Democratic candidate. If you don't, you're not a Democrat. And I don't need to be nice if you're not a Democrat.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:53 AM
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78. I am on your side, for the first time in the last decade, an honest person
is on the horizon and I know you are feeling like I do. But by goodness, I want Senator OBAMA to be the next President of the US. The world is rooting for him, trust me and we in Canada want him to be President. As I type this, yeah am a woman, but tears are in my eyes, that much I am emotional about wanting him to be the next President! Go OBAMA, the world is rooting for you!
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:27 AM
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45. I'm in, for the most part.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:36 AM
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52. One Problem
There are some Hillary supporters a very small minority posting things like Obama supporters are abusive husbands. Everytime they see a unity thread they go absolutely crazy.

One of my favorite people on here is a Clinton supporter. We have bonded over a shared love for meatballs. So I have no problem being nice.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:40 AM
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55. Put it this way: There's a difference between a *Clinton supporter* and an *Obama hater*...
To the extent that the two circles don't coincide, it's really only the latter we take issue with, and will continue to vigorously oppose.

And no, just mouthing the words "I don't hate Obama" doesn't suffice people. And ye shall know them by their fruits, so sayeth a well-known work of fiction.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #55
57. and it's supposed to be against the rules to trash a Dem
I don't understand why the mods let so much of it get through. It's fine to promote your candidate, or even critique the other candidate on the issues. But smears and insults? To both the candidate and his/her supporters? How is that productive and why is it allowed?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #57
60. And to advocate for republicans. I know. I don't understand it either.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #60
64. Who is advocating for Republicans? Do you mean Senator Clinton's people who saying they will vote
for McCain if she is not the nominee. Well let them go vote for that old useless idiot! And good riddance to pricks who say that!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 02:08 AM
Response to Reply #64
104. Who on DU has said this?
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #52
80. Jake, our guy is winning, Let us take the high road and follow his
example. No matter who tries to bring him down, let's be positive and support him. Ignore the dicks who do not want him. The majority of Americans want him. Just looking at him coming on stage, makes me so proud. Good luck to him, to all Americans and to the wider world. He is our salvation to put America on her rightful place after 8 years of bush fuckery!
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:14 AM
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65. I'm in, I've always been in
I have a tendency to be blunt and impatient. Its the anonymous internet, right? Why play games? Say it, deal with the fall out, apologize if appropriate and move on. But I will try to be as nice as my natural sarcasm will let me be.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:53 AM
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79. Very good advice - if we want to win! recommended!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:03 AM
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81. Wow, look at all those recommendations.
:(
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:23 AM
Response to Reply #81
83. K&R, my pleasure BB
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:30 AM
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84. :)
UNITY!
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:53 AM
Response to Reply #84
86. BB, am all for unity! I just wish we could come together and support
the Democratic candidate, whether it is Senator Clinton or Obama. The Primaries not over yet. Am supporting Obama.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:07 AM
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88. it's a good idea, but his supporters can only call hillary a bitch and us racists so many times befo
before votes start getting lost for good.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:16 AM
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91. Oh give it a fucking rest


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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:30 AM
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89. great news
Now lets unite as a family to kick some GOP ass in November.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:30 AM
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92. Sorry. If you're still a Clinton supporter, you're denying reality and hurting the party
Once you accept the facts and become an Obama supporter, all is forgiven. (Well, most)
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:31 AM
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93. I am trying SO hard. I slip every now and then. nt
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:45 AM
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95. I would but I cant find any here....
...in Oregon...:shrug:




:popcorn:
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:13 PM
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99. NOT SO FAST!!!!
It's not over until Clinton says it's over...suck it up!
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:15 PM
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100. Sure thing, pirhana! Hugs
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:41 AM
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102. Don't act like pricks, and we'll be nice to you.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 02:10 AM
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105. It's kind of hard when they won't stop fighting.
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