For my 1000th post I'd just like to say how proud I am of Hillary Clinton. She is a wonderful person

[StevieM]

and a fantastic senator. And even if she doesn't win she will no doubt be the greatest president we never had. I consider myself better off for having associated myself with her campaign. I am still praying for a Denver miracle, but even if it doesn't happen history will surely vindicate her. As Cheryl Mills once said: "it's those facts...those stubborn facts." It helps to have them on your side, at least in the long run. They will easily outlast David Axelrod.

And an additional thumbs up to President Clinton, who is easily the best president of the last 40 years. And God bless Chelsea, too.

The Clintons have done so much for this party and this country. And I reject any patronizing, self-serving comments about how "they threw it all away," or "it's ashame their legacy will be mixed with this disgraceful campaign." That's just talking points by those who want to deliver a certain degrading message about our fine former president and first lady. I don't consider their legacy to be the least bit tarnished and I don't see any evidence that she is in any danger of losing re-election in NY in 2012. I also can't begin to imagine Obama winning the GE without some serious help from her--this "new coalition" just doesn't exist, at least not to the same extent that some would like.

Let me conclude this 1000th post by declaring--without apology--that I will be a Clinton-Gore Democrat forever. And of the three, Hillary is the best IMO. She is everything this country needs in a president and if she can't pull it off then I have no doubt that she will make a great Senate Majority leader (sorry Obama people, but she is still very popular in the Senate) or perhaps a tremendous Secretary of State in the O'Malley Administration some day.

Steve

[scheming daemons]

1. "I will be a Clinton-Gore Democrat forever"

Might want to amend that statement in a little while.



Big Al is going to endorse Obama. Just watch.

[Labors of Hercules]

9. yep. Better just tell the truth...

You're a Clinton-Clinton Democrat.

[ninja8590]

36. Well Duh

Everyone knows Gore is with Obama and has been (didn't he and Bill get in a fight during that administration?), I see no news in that....duh. That said....GoooooooBama!

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[quantass]

3. I had respect for her before the knee-capping, kitchen sink, say-do anything strategy started

[StevieM]

7. That accusation will be laughed out of the history books. Her campaign was mild, no harsher then

Gore vs. Bradley or Mondale vs. Hart. And Obama took some serious shots at her too. The way that Obama people talk--with such self-righteous arrogance--about her "tattered legacy"--says more about them then it does about her.

Steve

[RazBerryBeret]

11. ok, I guess I can admit it...

I have a tattered legacy...

hehehe...

but then, what does your quote say about you???

"McCain will be the next president and Obama will be the next McGovern."

[movonne]

14. I am an Obama supporter and I'm glad you feel so good about

your candidate..she put up a good fight..and I know how sad it is to lose a dream...I have had these same disappointments after the last two losses..and the take over by these war criminals..I hope Obama makes a great president..

[Writer]

10. Better than a whisper campaign beneath our noses. n/t

[elocs]

18. Exactly correct. Her scorched earth, do & say anything to win. Sad. n/t

[jillan]

4. Stevie - I do too!

Hillary wasn't even my first choice and I cannot believe how much respect I have for this lady.

Welcome to the 1000 club :)

[MannyGoldstein]

5. Just Curious - What Is It That You So Like? nt

[StevieM]

8. Her integrity, her commitment to the American dream, her loyalty to our nation, her love for

America, her fairness and decency, her belief in Democratic Party principles. I love everything she stands for.

Steve

[kid a]

6. and Obama isn't the "despicable race-baiter" you spewed at him either, sweetie

nt

[rpannier]

13. Where did the poster refer to Obama as "the despicable race-baiter"

[BlooInBloo]

16. In his 999th.

[rpannier]

22. OK Thank You

I have not seen that post, nor do I really have any interest in seeing it.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[BlooInBloo]

23. np.

[emilyg]

32. "Sweetie"? What a man you are.

[juajen]

12. You said it better than I ever could. So many of us feel this way

about this beautiful lady. I didn't think I could ever be prouder of her, after I watched her courage in the last years of Bill's presidency, but she has certainly proved me wrong. Through diversity, mudslinging and downright shenanigans, she shines through, like a beacon. We will never have a female or male candidate so right for America at the right time.

Rise, Hillary, Rise!

[ccharles000]

15. I agree.

Hillary is a wonderful person.

[dbmk]

61. ccharles000 - gotta hand it to you

You stick by her - and you are consequently being positive without feeling the need for bringing someone else or something else down. That is rather unique around here.

[DesertFlower]

17. congratulations on your 1000 post. nt

[elocs]

19. Even "if" she doesn't win? Reality is going to be a harsh mistress. n/t

[Skip Intro]

21. In November too.

[elocs]

30. Right now is certainly much, much clearer than November.

You appear to relish or be delighted by a Democratic loss in November with Obama. Let's hope you are disappointed. You would like to be disappointed in your implied prediction, wouldn't you? Or is it Hillary or nothing?

[Snarkoleptic]

20. She's doing a great job of widening the Joe Leiberman turncoat model.

Oh well, at least she's doomed her own political career and will soon fade out of sight.

[Beacool]

38. Fade out of sight?? You're too funny................

:rofl:

[ProSense]

24. How anyone can be proud of

this is puzzling.

Hillary sounds like she has gone off the deep end, going on about how she would win, how she's leading in the popular vote (lie), and claiming that Obama has refused to debate her. Debate her? She lost!

[Skip Intro]

25. K&R. What a pleasure to read your great post about such a great lady!

Many, many of us feel as you do.

And I'm sure she'll win whatever office it is she runs for in 2012, if she doesn't win this one.

Thanks for your words.

:kick:

[Major Hogwash]

26. You can't choose your family, but you can choose to stand by your husband.

While he lies his ass off about the Democratic party not being as progressive as the Republican party.

I think Bubba is just pissed off because he can't get any "pizzas" delivered to his house these days.

[Skip Intro]

27. I thought it was Obama who said the repukes were the party of ideas...

:shrug:

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[murielm99]

29. Thank you for this post.

K&R

[theHandpuppet]

31. Great post, StevieM

Thanks!

:thumbsup:

[emilyg]

33. Thank you for this great post.

[StevieM]

34. Emily, this Mets fan is always happy to treat a Braves fan to a good post honoring Sen. Clinton! eom

[Tresalisa]

35. 'Grats on number 1-0-0-0.

Although neither candidate was my first choice, (it was Kucinich) I'd have happily voted for either one in the GE. It looks like it's going to be Obama, but I do admire Hillary. She's tough, and it shows, against all she and Bill have been through these past 16-plus years.

I'm enough of a political junkie, though, to want to read any of the tell-alls, if any, that come out about her campaign about what really went on behind the scenes, since she started out as the one who was heavily favored to be our nominee. I'd also like to see one about Rudy G., the nominee for the other party, and how his campaign sank so quickly.

[Beacool]

37. Congratulations and thanks for your post.

The Clintons saved the Democratic party in the 90s, a fact that many seem to want to forget. We Clinton supporters won't forget it and will watch closely how Hillary is treated in the upcoming weeks. Mess with her and there are many who will fight against the anointed one with as much vigor as we fought for Hillary. Hell hath no fury and all that jazz.........

[Kablooie]

39. For the first time let me say how proud I am of George Plimpton. He was a wonderful person.

and a fantastic writer. u

[JoFerret]

40. She has been an excellent senator for NY

even though she did come in carpet bagging and determined to win with that gratuitous death penalty support. (Upstate is very conservative on the whole. Or at least way more so than NYC). She sandbagged Lazio and sailed to victory.

[Maribelle]

41. Great post, StevieM!

Thank you!

[DemExpat]

42. Thanks so much for this wonderful post!

:thumbsup: :kick:

DemEx

[ShortnFiery]

43. That makes one of us. HRC is an embarrassment to Our Gender. She shames us with

her repeated race baiting and overblown self-righteous sense of entitlement. :thumbsdown:

[rodeodance]

44. And you shame 'us' by your continued smears on Hillary as a race-baiter!!

......hat makes one of us. HRC is an embarrassment to Our Gender. She shames us with her repeated race baiting and overblown self-righteous sense of entitlement.

[Maribelle]

46. It seems that this morning ...

the poop dripping from their Obummas is more runny and stinkier than ever.

[ShortnFiery]

48. If you can't see that from her LBJ "made the difference" to her recent "WHITE hard working

Americans" racial sputum are NOT positively identified as *race baiting,* then I hold out no hope for your enlightenment. :(

I know that, if anything, HRC has set back women's rights. You don't falsely accuse sexism while you disenfranchise the AA Community and NOT pay a dear price.

Your *love* for a WOMAN President above all else has put blinders on you.

Consider watching the actions of the average AA - their working and middle class views on "The Clintons" from this point on? Why? The Clintons will NOT EVER regain the trust and support of the lion's share of that community. AA know the "dog whistles" that are racially laced ... as do many others not "in love" with The Clintons.

[Maribelle]

51. You posted this in the wrong place

[ShortnFiery]

52. No, I assessed that my reply to your "thoughtful" post above was MOST worthy.

;)

[Maribelle]

54. I made a general statement to Rodeodance not you. But, hey, if the shoe fits ...

plese do feel free to wear it.

[rodeodance]

55. yes.....I have

noticed it got more stinky today--but from that poster-it can not get more
stinky. She got the Stinky award for race-baiting a long time ago.

[StevieM]

58. Wow, you speak for all women? Impressive! But you're still lying about the race baiting (eom)

[cali]

45. Glad to see such enthusiasm. Sorry you marred it with the nonsense

about how Obama can't win.

[Zachstar]

47. She is very likely going to make Majority Leader

No I do not like it but it is getting more and more likely if Bill would stop attacking.

Better than nothing I guess. Would be historic if you still have Pelosi in the House.

[ShortnFiery]

49. No she won't. Dodd, Kerry, Kennedy, et. al., are all in support of Obama ... they saw

what her campaign did in an attempt to "USE RACE" as a wedge. She'll be lucky to be re-elected to her Senate Seat. In fact, if it's legal, I'll send money to her next democratic primary challenger.

Now, HRC's just considered merely ANOTHER junior Senator, nothing more.

[Zachstar]

53. The Clinton Machine is one of the most powerful in Congress

Don't forget that. She is still extremely powerful and will likely get it.

[StevieM]

57. There is no evidence, beyond McGovernite wishful thinking, that Hillary is in any danger

of losing her Senate seat. No respectable bookmaker would give better odds to Obama winning the presidency then to Clinton winning re-election to the Senate.

Clinton didn't use race, that's a blatant Obama lie. He is the one who used race.

You can have your feelings about HRC, but you can't volunteer other people to share them. Hillary has a lot of support in the Senate, and I even expect Kennedy to support her bid for majority leader. And after Obama goes down like McGovern the nonsense attacks on her character will have worn off.

Steve

[sfaprog]

59. Her reputation may never return

It will take some serious campaigning for Obama to even begin to regain some of her former luster.

[StevieM]

60. You really believe that, don't you? You honestly believe that she needs him more then

he needs her. That is the arrogance that defines a losing GE campaign. Obama will be in desperate need of her support if he gets the nomination. This "new coalition" just doesn't exist.

Hillary doesn't need Barack in order to redeem herself. Barack needs her in order to get elected. And you may think that her legacy is in shambles, but you don't speak for all Americans. And that kind of arrogant, self-righteous attitude--"her legacy has been destroyed"--sets up a lot of satisfying high-five moments for Obama people. They don't, however, get him elected.

Steve

[sfaprog]

62. THAT's the arrogance that defines a losing campaign.

that somehow her support is conditional. It is THAT attitude, that she even has the choice at all to decide whether or not to support Obama in the GE, that defines arrogance.

[StevieM]

64. She always has a choice, and I'm sure she will chose to support him, even though if the roles

were reversed I can't imagine that he would work too hard for her.

The point is that she doesn't need him--he needs her. Her legacy will be fine. His election prospects won't be.

Steve

[Garbo 2004]

63. Clinton's a back bencher in a Senate that values senority for M.L. & more have endorsed Obama

than Clinton in the 2008 Presidential race. That doesn't appear to be indicative of a "lot of support" in the Senate for HRC.

[usrbs]

50. Great Post. I;m very proud as well of my choice, no matter how it turns out, n/t

[susankh4]

56. Brava! To you and to Hillary!!

Keep up the positive message!

"Let me conclude this 1000th post by declaring--without apology--that I will be a Clinton-Gore Democrat forever. And of the three, Hillary is the best IMO. She is everything this country needs in a president and if she can't pull it off then I have no doubt that she will make a great Senate Majority leader (sorry Obama people, but she is still very popular in the Senate) or perhaps a tremendous Secretary of State in the O'Malley Administration some day."

No apology needed. I feel the same way.....

[DDQ]

65. I agree

Thank you

[Occam Bandage]

66. I'm pretty sure Al Gore is a better President We Never Had.

She's one of the better ones, but not sure she's in my top three.