Not_so_fast "Not so fast" full-page ad in this morning's USA TODAY (HRC) *****

[rodeodance]

You go Hillary-





Not_so_fast "Not so fast" full-page ad in this morning's USA TODAY (HRC) *


http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/


'WomenCount' says it's too soon to count Clinton out







Not_so_fast "Not so fast ..." the full-page ad in this morning's USA TODAY declares. "Hillary's voice is OUR voice, sand she's speaking for all of us."

"We want Hillary to stay in this race until every vote is cast, every vote is counted, and we know that our voices are heard," it concludes.

The ad was paid for by WomenCount PAC, which USA TODAY reporter Fredreka Schouten tells us is a newly formed political action committee that includes among its founders Susie Tompkins Buell, a major Democratic fundraiser and a supporter of Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Buell, Fredreka reports, is based in northern California and is a co-founder of the Esprit clothing line. She's a "Hillraiser:" Clinton's designation for fundraisers who have collected at least $100,000 for her presidential campaign.

WomenCount says it was created "to ensure that the 51% of American citizens who are women have their values and votes counted in the political process and supports candidates in support of progressive, political values.


Posted by Mark Memmott at 11:13 AM/ET,

May 16, 2008 in Ads, Democrats, Interest groups, Presidential race,



Better photo in the ad:

[democrattotheend]

1. She doesn't speak for me

I respect and admire her and her supporters for their tenacity, but I object to this ad's claim that she speaks for all women. She does not speak to me, or my 50-year-old mother who hobbled around on a broken foot canvassing for Obama on the day of the Pennsylvania primary, or my 78-year-old grandmother who marched with MLK 45 years ago and would be just as proud to see an African American president in her lifetime as a woman and thinks Obama is the better candidate and would make the better president.

As a woman and a feminist, it really bothers me when Clinton and her supporters play the gender card and try to make me feel guilty for not supporting her. I will vote for her if she is the nominee, but I feel that her strategic use of feminism has in many ways set the womens' movement back.

[gateley]

10. And the 'feminists' on some Hillary sites

diss Michelle Obama in very un-feminist ways.

They're not feminists -- they're just Hillary supporters using sexism as an excuse for her not being the presumptive nominee.

[rodeodance]

96. Feminists i know, including my self so do see themselves as victims. too bad you have

to make up lies about people you do not know. Very petty of you.

[gateley]

131. Well I'm a feminist, too -- and I've NEVER thought of myself as a victim.

But you're right - I AM petty so even though I don't know these people to whom I referred - you obviously know me. You're just so very smart.

[rodeodance]

163. your responses are silly and make you look foolish.

[gateley]

184. And your responses are in direct contrast with one another, and make

you look confused.

[rodeodance]

196. you should have figured it by now

[gateley]

204. Nope, I'm too foolish. nt

[malta blue]

146. Seeing yourself as a victim only feeds the beast...

:shrug:

If you consider yourself equal - than be EQUAL - not a victim...

[Barrymores Ghost]

155. Excellent point!

And I do have to ask: is your bumber sticker the Hebrew spelling of Barack's name, or does it translate as "Bitter NY Jews for Obama?"

:toast:

[rodeodance]

157. you have a reading comprehension problem since I said we do NOT see our

selves as victims. you are one lying and saying we are.

[gateley]

164. YOU have a memory problem - you said you DO see yourselves as victims --

and you sure do like calling people liars, don't you.

[Barrymores Ghost]

180. Can you please school me...

On how you do a post capture like that, so I'm not relegated to plugging in URLs?

[gateley]

182. I just PM'd you -- nt

[Barrymores Ghost]

179. Can you not f*cking remember what you post, from one minute to the next????

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6000262&mesg_id=6001023

[Barrymores Ghost]

152. "Lies?" Take a gander at Hillaryis44.org and read what a few of your...

...precious victims-in-arms are saying about Michelle Obama. Why, they even link to FreeRepublic to drive home the point of what a hootchie-mama she is.

REEAAAALLLLL classy. Yes, ma'am.

[rodeodance]

161. that is their business. I am not responsible for their behavior.

[Barrymores Ghost]

177. Just as I thought.

But, Obama is somehow responsible for the behavior you take exception to here in DU?

Denial must be a really pretty planet. You seem to spend most of your time there.

[rodeodance]

187. Stick to the topic of the OP and stop being rude by changing the topic.

[Barrymores Ghost]

188. Dodging and deflection.

Answer the question, if you please.

[rodeodance]

191. that is exactly what you are doing. bye

[Barrymores Ghost]

192. Thanks for ducking my question. n/t

[emilyg]

170. Take a look at DU

see what a few of your precious are saying about Clinton.

[Barrymores Ghost]

175. So, this is your response?

"Obama supporters are saying mean things about Hillary, so we'll drag another woman through garbage because she happens to be Obama's WIFE????

You epitomize everything that is wrong with your candidate, and her campaign.

Congratulations for making my point better than I ever could have dreamed.

[emilyg]

181. Glad I could help.

It's OK to attack Clinton, Cindy - but not Michelle?

[Barrymores Ghost]

183. Who's attacking Cindy? Her own husband called her a c*nt and a whore...

...and you give a free pass to a bunch of loonies who call for a protest vote for him?

And you support the idea that anonymous Obama supporters' comments about Hillary should be met with slander of another woman, who had nothing to do with any of this?

You are certifiable.

Please defend this position...I can't wait to hear it.

[rodeodance]

167. should read -- Do NOT** see themselves as victims.

[Barrymores Ghost]

185. Nice try.

From the content to the contrary of your previous posts, I extrapolate exactly the opposite.

[mamalone]

203. Hey... don't you be dissin' gately!

I happen to agree with her... I think she pretty much nailed it.

[cui bono]

114. Exactly. Just like the Clinton campaign uses every thing only when it benefits them.

[rodeodance]

126. " Exactly. Just like the Obama campaign uses every thing only when it benefits them."

[cui bono]

140. No rebuttal and no examples. Great argument for your side.

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

156. can't rebut your nonsence.

[rodeodance]

12. oh stop the drama. The represents the groups that are putting it up. Too bad for

feeling guilty. stop playing the crying victim

[gabeana]

38. A hillary supporter saying

stop playing the crying victim,:rofl:

Thanks for the laugh

[rodeodance]

67. The ad is empowering. You sure get things wrong.

[gabeana]

88. No I didn't

the Hillary campaign was based on victim hood. In it's last throes thats all it has left. Again thanks for the laugh

[rodeodance]

89. Stop with the lies.

[gabeana]

97. What lies

crying sexism when there isn't any is a perfect example of playing victim hood

so please list my lies

come on tell me if Hillary husband was not the former president would she even be a senator let alone a serious contender for president. You know the answer -- no

And all this "I'm you girl" that was a message, vote for me because I'm a woman
and now when things have gone horribly wrong it had to be because of sexism-- thats bull Shit and you know it.

Want to admire a great woman politician look no further than Barbara Boxer who not only made it on her own but while doing it put her husband through law School
and Boxer is a SD for Clinton but thats okay I still admire her and she is one of my favorite politicians regardless of gender

[MattBaggins]

104. I think she could have easily made senator

on her own merits. It is difficult to prove but she could have made a Presidential candidate on her own as well.

[sendero]

113. Sure..

.... a senator in NY, where she never really even lived.

You are delusional. HRC would be a NOBODY lawyer somewhere had she not married Bill. Name ONE exceptional accomplishment in her entire career.

You can't because she hasn't had any.

[gabeana]

121. you beat me to it

good reply

[MattBaggins]

148. 99.999999 percent of politicians have had no real

accomplishments in their lives.

I could point to her wikipedia entry or other sites if you really want me to waste time listing the things she has worked on in her life; when you are just going to dismiss them anyway.

[gabeana]

120. How?

what did she do outside of Bill that set her apart from the rest of us. The law firm she worked for(Rose), on the board of Walmart were because she was the wife of the governor of Arkansas. Don't buy the hype, we need to get away from this dynastic approach to politics of "because you are related to a politician automatically you are the front runner, reminds me of sone third world country, I mean thats how we got dip shit W, I don't know how many times I heard people tell me "well his father had good men around, they will him out"

I love Tracy Morgan's rant on SNL "Personally, I want to know what qualifies Hillary Clinton to be the next president? Is it because she was married to the president? If that were the case, then Robin Givens would be the heavyweight champion of the world"

and since Hillary told people to check out SNL, I think its okay I use it also

[MattBaggins]

150. Many folks argue that Bill got where

he was by having her working for him. Her early political work and job as legal counsel for Congress was done on her own. I haven't been following her day to day to see what she does, but I would imagine she probably had to do some kind of good work to make partner at the Rose Law Firm. I don't believe the Stepford wives we find on the Republican side have done such things.

[Mags]

103. The add speaks volumes for me..

[Erin Elizabeth]

48. What irony in this post. Want to see drama?

Read Hillary's ad.

Want to see crying victims? See any one of the Hillary supporter's posts about how victimized they are.

:eyes:

[Window]

63. They have cornered the market on victimization. LOL!

[rodeodance]

68. all the crying Obama fans on this thread see themselves as victims. The group putting

up the ad are empowering the voters.

[Erin Elizabeth]

75. Empowering the voters to do what?

Make Hillary the nominee?

Too late.

[rodeodance]

83. Read the OP--i am sure you are intelligent enough to figure it out.

[Erin Elizabeth]

136. You can't answer the question?

[rodeodance]

138. i understand the question but I think you can figure it out yourself.

[Erin Elizabeth]

142. Ah, so you REFUSE to answer my question.

Stay classy.

[barb162]

199. LOL

They're the biggest whiners in the world when their candidate has about a billion bucks and the whole Party apparatus behind him kissing his ass from one end of the country to the other. Poor little Barry, my eyes are welling up with tears.

[rodeodance]

72. More stupid DRAMA from you.

[Erin Elizabeth]

74. Irony again!

[LittleBlue]

186. Wow, truly awesome reply

That deserves a 10/10. :)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

213. well she does for me and mine!

[lligrd]

2. Count Away, Obama Still Wins nt

[DearAbby]

3. She doesn't speak for me.

[rodeodance]

14. It's not about you!!

[JTFrog]

27. Then who is this "us"? Pat Buchanan's us?

Cuz she sure as hell isn't speaking for "all of us" women.

[DearAbby]

52. It's about the future for my children and grandchildren

Hillary isn't it. She voted for a war, without bothering to read the NIE Report. I have children draft age. So it is about THEM. I don't trust her, she has already failed this country with that vote.

[rodeodance]

71. Mine also. I believe that Hillary has strong polices for America and the ability

to enact them.

[DearAbby]

178. I respectfully disagree...

She failed this country once already..I don't plan on giving her a second chance, for the sake of my children and grandchildren.

[cui bono]

139. Who/what do you think it is about?

At this point, what is it about to you and to Clinton? We know it's not about the good of the country or party for Clinton because Billyboy is out there SLAMMING the Democratic party today and PRAISING the Republicans.

[Auntie Bush]

102. Well! SHE SPEAKS FOR ME!

Yes, I'm shouting from the roof tops! Gotta problem with that?

((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST))))))
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GO HILLARY GO!

[rodeodance]

108. :-)

[The Doctor.]

144. Quick question;

Do you presume to speak for everyone?

It would be just as silly for any group to claim they speak for 'all the men/women/minorities/religions of this nation'.

Why is it ok for this one?

[Auntie Bush]

149. I presume to speak for me.

I repeat. Well! SHE SPEAKS FOR ME!

Yes, I'm shouting from the roof tops! Gotta problem with that?

Gotta problem with reading? It clearly said she speaks for ME...

Whenever you post...do you speak for everyone? Well you don't speak for me...Hillary does! Now go tend some patients with more of your poor advice.

[The Doctor.]

153. Oh, so you agree that the presumption to speak for all women is innappropriate.

Why do you feel the need to be so defensive/offensive?

It was a simple question, and a rational point. That, and I didn't give any advice.


Here's some good advice; Get to the bottom of your hostility and learn not to take swipes at people who aren't trying to offend anyone. I'm not trying to be mean, I just think that you should save the hostility for those who aren't trying to be civil.

:hi:

[barb162]

201. And me too!

Yes, I'm shouting from the roof tops! Gotta problem with that?

((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST))))))
((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST)))))) ((((((NOT SO FAST))))))


GO HILLARY GO!

(Hope you don't mind my copying your lovely message!

[The Doctor.]

211. No problem with that at all, but do you think it's appropriate

for one political group to claim they speak 'for all women in the nation'?

[monmouth]

4. They sure don't represent me either, they're making fools of themselves...n/t

[Terran]

5. "She's speaking for all of us."

Patently untrue.

[fight4my3sons]

6. she does not speak for me

I agree with many of the points that democrattotheend made in a previous post.

[Name removed]

7. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Qutzupalotl]

93. No lines at this pole.

[TwilightGardener]

8. Fucking presumptuous and insulting to declare that they speak for all women, and

all women support Hillary. Ridiculous. Fuck them.

[OzarkDem]

21. They didn't say they did

Presumptuous of you to think so.

[Occam Bandage]

28. Yes, they did. "We are the women of this nation."

"We are the women" is a declaration that they speak for all women of America. Not "We are a group of women," or even "We are women of this nation." They said "we are the women of this nation," which is ridiculously presumptuous.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

41. No silly. They're only talking about "all women of America who count".

Which is, of course, the women who support Hillary Clinton. :sarcasm:

[Occam Bandage]

43. Ah, right. Same logic that gets her the popular-vote lead. "Well, if you count the states I won..."

[rodeodance]

61. Your 'logic' is ILL-logic.

[sniffa]

160. Did you "pouch" that?

[rodeodance]

223. there there. you will be ok soon. My rejection of your love is a bitter blow to you I know and that

causes you to follow me from thread to thread. too sad. I feel your pain.

[Erin Elizabeth]

54. Did you not read the ad?

"...and she’s speaking for all of us"

[rodeodance]

62. she is speaking for the groups she represents. get a grip

[Erin Elizabeth]

65. It also says all the women of the nation.

If the ad only meant to say she speaks for her supporters, then it needed to say that. Instead it says she speaks for all women.

Get a grip, yourself.

[RiverStone]

134. My mother, my daughter, my girlfriend all....

Women of this nation, all eligible to vote, and they are for Obama.

Hillary's ad does not represent them.

The words are wasted on a lost cause anyway.

[Barrymores Ghost]

193. FAIL

Please try your call again.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

151. She read the parts that "count". nt

[Occam Bandage]

How sexist. Believe it or not, some women don't vote on genitalia. nt

[OzarkDem]

24. Genitalia reference has to be the most offensive, disgusting, ignorant

and sexist meme of any presidential campaign in history.

Anyone repeating such garbage is a cretin.

[Occam Bandage]

26. I agree. I can't believe that these people are actually advocating voting on genitals.

[OzarkDem]

29. That they're dragging human rights through the gutter

is a black mark on the Democratic Party. Its not the way intelligent people talk and certainly not Democrats.

It probably gets a better audience response over at Free Republic.

[Occam Bandage]

31. What? There's no human rights involved. They're allowed to run stupid, sexist ads if they like.

[OzarkDem]

34. The depths of your ignorance and sprirtual depravity are boundless

That wasn't what I was referring to, but that's no surprise it goes right over your head.

[Occam Bandage]

37. It's always nice to be the best at something.

[rodeodance]

69. Posters like that just show the world how foolish they are.

[rodeodance]

197. your posts are beyond the pale....

in terms of rudeness and utter stupidity.

[movonne]

55. You know hillary supporters say we who want Obama are cultist

but I have never seen such cultist as the hillary people...they will vote for mc cain if hillary doesn't get the nomination...or not vote at all and one here said she would vote for nader, which is the same thing as not voting at all...

[rodeodance]

77. I see the ad as a group of people who support Hillary and her policies. Please do not demean

their intentions to satisfy your need to smear Hillary or her supporters. It is really rude and petty.

[Why Syzygy]

85. Yeah. And no Democrats are racist either right? Genitalia is precisely the card these women are

playing.

[rodeodance]

98. you sure like to play cards. And you know nothing about these women, so stop insulting

them.

[DearAbby]

60. That ad is exactly that....vote your vagina!

WE THE WOMEN OF THIS NATION??? NO ONE FECKING ASKED ME...and the last time I checked I am a WOMAN! How presumptuous to claim they speak for all women...

[VotesForWomen]

165. hmmm, are blacks voting based on skin color? is that okay? just askin....

[janx]

9. DUPE

And the first one didn't go over very well, especially with women.

[Cali_Democrat]

11. I can only imagine the outrage if the situation was reversed...

and blacks put out an ad saying "Obama speaks for us." Can you imagine the outrage? Buchanan and Scarborough would be livid. What a double standard. And Hillary supporters want to complain about sexism?

[grantcart]

13. As this is a candidate ad and not an issue ad is this not a clear violation of campaign law?

[rodeodance]

16. I disagree with you.

[grantcart]

80. FEC v Wisconsin Right to Life -- No candidate ads 30 days before a primary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform...


In June of 2007 the U.S. Supreme Court held, in Federal Election Commission v. Wisconsin Right to Life, Inc., that BCRA's limitations on corporate and labor union funding of broadcast ads mentioning a candidate within 30 days of a primary or caucus or 60 days of a general election are unconstitutional as applied to ads susceptible of a reasonable interpretation other than as an appeal to vote for or against a specific candidate. Some election law experts believe the new exception will render BCRA's "electioneering communication" provisions meaningless, while others believe the new exception is quite narrow. The Federal Election Commission's interpretation and application of the new exception during the 2008 election cycle will determine the true scope and impact of the Court's decision.
Buddhist Democrat

[Ichingcarpenter]

18. I think so.... Interesting you just rang some alarm bells

I knew something wasn't right
I'm gonna check that out.

[XemaSab]

15. She's like the ex who DOESN'T GET THE MESSAGE

Hillary, it's over.

[Fox Mulder]

17. I was just thinking that same thing.

[rodeodance]

20. It's a wonderful gesture for these groups to do this for Hillary.

[rodeodance]

169. You should read the OP before you make another foolish comment.

[XemaSab]

207. I did read the OP

Obama is the nominee.

Hillary is just making an ass of herself.

[OzarkDem]

19. She speaks for me

and the millions of other women voters who support her candidacy.

BTW, did you know there's currently only about a 1% to 2% difference between Clinton & Obama re the popular vote?

[philk17088]

30. Really?

That means what exactly? Popular vote doesn't mean anything to the nomination process .

[OzarkDem]

36. Take it to the Convention

unless you're chicken.

[Occam Bandage]

39. Sure. We'll certainly have 2025 by then, so it'll be a pretty simple affair.

[sfaprog]

106. Let's make up an arbitrary number to decide the nomination - unless you're chicken?!?

That'll teach people to respect made-up statistics :eyes:

[Brundle_Fly]

84. and only if you use the fuzzy math of counting

states that wont be counted, because they broke the rules.

[emilyg]

171. And me.

[sniffa]

22. Did you "pouch" that?

[Forkboy]

23. She's a Neil Diamond fan.

[Az_lefty]

25. we've been counting the numbers and Obama wins.

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[Shakespeare]

33. Um, ok. Somebody bought an ad.

Still doesn't change anything.

[AllentownJake]

35. Tweety just mocked this

[democrattotheend]

40. Ugh...better if it was Rachel Maddow

A man like Tweety mocking this might make it worse.

[Occam Bandage]

42. Worse? It's a non-issue either way. People run ads all the time. All the Hillbots are excited

about it for the same reason they were about that dumb pie chart earlier--because the news has been so dismal for their candidate, they're absolutely desperate for anything positive to latch on to.

Even if it's just a dumb, sexist ad.

[AllentownJake]

44. That was pretty much what Tweety said

Other than Tuesday this has been a terrible week for them.

[rodeodance]

51. HA HA---it sure got you and other obama fans in a little drama circle-jerk. te he

[AllentownJake]

70. Actually I could care less

If you want to put ads in McPaper and consider it news. Fine.

Which was pretty much Tweety's point. Clinton people were calling about the ad. I say so what an ad in newspaper.

[Why Syzygy]

90. Your posts are easily the most despicable on DU.

They stand out like a sore thumb. Somehow your venom seems more profuse and vile than any other.
That puzzles me.

[rodeodance]

123. Look in the mirror

[cui bono]

145. Ah... so that's what it's about.

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

46. Tweet has wet stuff running up and down his legs also. his credibilty is zero

[highplainsdem]

49. Tweety's a long-time Hillary-hater known for his man-crushes.

[Indenturedebtor]

57. Well he's a puke either way... Tweety needs to FU

But seriously this ad is disgusting. truly disgusting, and a waste of money that could be spent in the GE.

[barb162]

202. Yeah, and he gets shivers up his legs over Obama. He's a weirdo.

[MethuenProgressive]

53. Tweety is a sexist pig, of course his kind would mock this.

Matthews' sexist displays go beyond Clinton
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801110011
Does Chris Matthews have a problem with women?
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801110002

[Indenturedebtor]

76. Is this ad not sexist? nt

[rodeodance]

78. to tell us why.

[Indenturedebtor]

119. Because it's selling a candidate based on gender And...

Grouping all women in together behind one candidate... based on gender. I thought the only part of public life that wasn't supposed to be gender-blind was dating. And then its a matter of preference no?

Or does that stardard only go one way?

[rodeodance]

132. It is grouping those who want to be involved. simple as that.

[Erin Elizabeth]

45. Wow, what ASSumptions she makes!

She does NOT speak for me, I don't want her to speak for me, I don't need her to speak for me.

And it's pretty arrogant to put herself in the company of Susan B. Anthony et al.

[Occam Bandage]

47. LMAO.

:thumbsup:

[Why Syzygy]

95. huh .. She COULD HAVE had a respectable place in history.

What an opportunity she has wasted! Now she will be known more for her evil doing than for any positives for women or anyone or thing else.

:thumbsdown: More like a Nixon legacy. Traitorous.

[CakeGrrl]

50. "Not so fast...now that I didn't win it in February like I just KNEW I would"

:eyes:

[Renew Deal]

56. They should change the name of that ad to No One Cares

Because no one does.

[rodeodance]

64. what a Foolish ASSumption --I care and so do the groups who paid for the ad.

[Renew Deal]

73. Like I said

No one cares.

[rodeodance]

79. too bad.

[powergirl]

58. That's my favorite picture of her

I'm an Obama supporter but I've always liked that picture. As for the ad, I'm a woman and I don't like being grouped in with other people based on my gender. People of different races must feel the same way.

[rodeodance]

66. We do have something in common. It is one of my favorite pics also. It was taken

in PA (or was in IN). she got caught in the rain-on the trail-and someone gave her a raincoat.

[powergirl]

116. It reminds me of that Diana Ross concert - years ago

It was an outdoor concert and the rain was pounding and the lightning lit up the stage. Diana kept on singing until there was a hazard of electrocution. I thought of Diana Ross when I saw that picture.

[rodeodance]

118. yes. it could have happened. Glad it did not--to either of them.

[Kool Kitty]

209. I remember that concert-it was held in

Central Park in NYC. Terrifying thunderstorms that night. I live in central NJ and we got them, too. The sky was actually dark green and the lightening was continuous. (I am frightened of thunderstorms so I remember the really bad ones.)

And I agree with you about the pic of Hillary-it is great. Probably the best one I've seen of her. She looks like a rock star. And she has great hair, it always looks so good.

[americanstranger]

94. I like that pic, too.

Very rock star-ish. For some reason, it reminds me of Freddie Mercury.

- as

[SoonerPride]

59. Fast? FAST??

Hasn't this campaign already lasted nearly a year and a half?

The people have spoken.

They chose Obama.

[rodeodance]

81. another arrogant obama fan.

[SoonerPride]

111. I voted for Clinton. She lost. I now back the party nominee.

Hillary will too. You know she will endorse and campaign for and vote for Obama.

Won't you?

If not, why do you call yourself a Democrat?

[Why Syzygy]

82. Never wear another Esprit garment again. Won't recycle them either.

I don't support disruptors.

[rodeodance]

87. **UNDER THE BUS**

[Why Syzygy]

100. Also under the bus: Scandalous Adulterers in the Whitehouse. Never again. Never again. Never

[rodeodance]

115. ah, another obama fan OBESSED with Bill Clinton's penis, Just like the RW is.

"Also under the bus: Scandalous Adulterers in the Whitehouse. Never again. Never again. Never"

[Name removed]

86. Deleted message

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[npincus]

92. a bit over-the-top, no?

[JTFrog]

122. No!!! I'm SERIES!!!!1111!!!!!

[Willo]

91. She does not speak for me.

Or a lot of other women I know.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WsPmZ1zDeA&NR=1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HexrafhffJc (6:25)

[rodeodance]

101. whatever.

[Beacool]

99. I find this very interesting:

The daily numbers: Obama's edge over Clinton narrows; McCain moves in front
Barack Obama's lead over Hillary Rodham Clinton among Democrats and other voters who "lean" Democratic has narrowed from 6 percentage points yesterday to 4 percentage points today, Gallup just reported. He's ahead of her 48%-44% in Gallup's national tracking poll.

In a hypothetical general election match-up, Republican John McCain edged past Obama. McCain now leads 47%-45%. Yesterday, the two were tied at 45% and for the eight days prior to that Obama had held 1- to 4-point leads.

Meanwhile, Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton is ahead of McCain in today's other hypothetical general election match-up; 48%-45%. She's now had between a 1- and 5-point lead over McCain for 11 straight days.

Gallup says its numbers on the Democratic nomination race "are based on combined data from May 13-15, 2008," reflect the opinions of "1,232 Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters," and have margins of error of +/- 3 percentage points. The general election match-ups are based on May 11-15 surveys of 4,366 registered voters and have margins of error of +/- 2 percentage points.


Go Hillary!!!!

:bounce:

[rodeodance]

107. Thanks very much. I had not seen those polls today.

[Beacool]

194. Despite all the dirt thrown at her she still stands tall!!!

That's our gal!!!!!!!

:D

[rodeodance]

216. and look--ads to run in oregon on monday.........

http://clintondems.com/2008/05/womencount-pac/

this is the good part.

ads in oregon :banana:


.......The big story is the overwhelming and enormous response to the PAC’s effort. Once we opened the PAC and started to spread the word, we had hundreds of contributions within three days totaling nearly $200,000 — and it’s still coming in. As a result, in addition to USA Today, we have already purchased ads in local papers throughout Oregon that will run on Mo nday and we are working on our Internet advertising strategy.

[Beacool]

217. Thank you for the info.

I'll be sending my contribution.

:thumbsup:

[rodeodance]

220. you are welcome. i did the same today. have a good day

[FatDave]

105. OK, let me get this straight.

She had no plan past Feb 5th. Obama immediately beat her in pledged delegates. He then beat her in popular vote. And now he beats her in superdelegates. And he just got the endorsement of the much loved other guy who came in 3rd.

But wait! Not so fast!

Give. Me. A. Break.

Disclaimer: This post is in no way an attack on Senator Clinton and her supporters. It is merely an attack on ridiculously faulty logic.

[rodeodance]

117. One just never knows what will happen. Let the voters in the upcoming states have their vote.

[cui bono]

109. I am a woman and I am AGAINST Hillary Clinton. She does not speak for me.

In fact, she and her supporters should stop the whining.

Real women don't whine about being treated unfairly, they make it change. Hillary and this campaign have potentially set back the women's movement with their false accusations of sexism. And with the extreme supporters stating that all females have to vote for Clinton. Blech.

[rodeodance]

112. you are one whining.

[cui bono]

147. I am? What is a whining?

[avenger64]

110. To the convention!

Take it all the way - let the superdelegates take their time and make the right decision.

[rodeodance]

125. they have been tasked to decide who is the best qualified to win the GE. yes. to the convention.

[gabeana]

127. Don't you think the SD have been making there decisions already

time line from first read
Here’s a timeline of superdelegate numbers:
- Feb. 5: Clinton 260-170
- Feb. 28 (after Obama's winning streak of 11-straight contests): Clinton 254-204
- March 6 (after OH/TX/RI/VT): 254-215
- March 14 (After Obama's wins in WY 3/8; MS 3/11): Clinton 253-217
- March 31: Clinton 255-222
- April 15: Clinton 257-231
- April 23 (the day after the PA primary): Clinton 263-239
- April 30: Clinton 268-248
- May 5 (day before Indiana/NC primaries): Clinton 272.5-256
- May 12: Obama 279-276.5

as of today

SUPERDELEGATES: Obama 292.5 to 276.5

according to first read and they are the most conservative in their estimate

[avenger64]

130. Their decisions don't count until they cast their vote ..

... they can change their minds, just like Barack Obama has done on Universal Health Care - favoring corporate domination over single-payer.

To the convention!

[gabeana]

189. only problem so far the only ones to have changed their mind

are Hillary SD to Obama:shrug:

[rodeodance]

221. time

[ShortnFiery]

124. Stop the INANE stereotypes. HRC does not speak for ME - this middle aged women.

Shame on HRC and her surrogates claiming that "Hillary" is *all women.* :thumbsdown:

[rodeodance]

128. Stop the inane drama.

[indimuse]

129. kickity KICK and REC!

http://bp1.blogger.com/_y7akKaUErMI/SC2TSJMyP7I/AAAAAAAAAOc/v8aJll_KHqg/s320/Oregon+banner.jpg
The Writing's On The Wall!
http://bp2.blogger.com/_y7akKaUErMI/SCyZMpMyP0I/AAAAAAAAANk/1r9N2Wh0HTU/s200/Oregon+Brick.jpg

[rodeodance]

133. Luv your new artwork.

[indimuse]

137. thx!

from Hillbuzz.com ? .org?

[dailykoff]

135. She's saying women need extra time?

Isn't that sexist?

[Ellen Forradalom]

218. She's not standing down

She has every right to take it to the convention.

Yelling at her to stand down already, when lesser candidates have taken it to the convention, is sexist.

[barb162]

141. That's a G.R.E.A.T. ad.

K&R

I hope Hillary is our nominee!

[publicatlarge]

143. Thanks for the link, rodeodance...

Just wanted to let you know you have support, although it is not at all pleasant to post here into the whirlwind of hatred that is instantaneously spawned herein with the least positive tidbit about Hillary Clinton.

The extreme irony of the Hillary hate posts here in support of a candidate who espouses unity and inclusion is entirely lost on them. Do they sense there is a similar cynicism and hypocrisy in their candidate?

[Lerkfish]

154. this has been posted 4 times.

[rodeodance]

158. thanks for the kick

[emilyg]

173. Great.

[jenmito]

159. She planned on running ONLY 'til Feb. 5th! Not so fast!

"So from my perspective, you get up every day and you get out there and you make your case and you reach as many people as possible. That's what I intend to do, so I'm in it for the long run. It's not a very long run. It'll be over by February 5th."-Hillary Clinton

[Lucky 13]

162. I would just like to point out that newspaper ads are what you run when you are out of money.

That is all.

[rodeodance]

168. the ad is not connected with the Clinton camp.

[Condem]

166. Was that some of your $$ helping pay for that, rodeo?

[avrdream]

172. Great ad.

And another fine place to send money if you are already maxed out!

To the convention!

[pompano]

174. Exactly where did....

this nomination process pick up sexist overtones?

Does it ever dawn on people that watched Hillary's poor campaign, riddled with lies, cost her this nomination? Am I sexist because the day she signed the IWR I made a mental note to myself that hell could possibly freeze over before she got another vote of mine? Is it sexist to be absolutely sickened by the thousands of jobs being sent overseas almost daily aided right along by a brain child of her husband..NAFTA?? What is sexist, pray tell, about being terribly concerned about these horrendous whoppers she tells when common sense begs you to look beyond the obvious chuckles these fabrications warrant and try to see why she could or would say something so asinine on the world stage? What she said, aside from insulting our men and women in uniform that have been attacked by snipers, could almost be humurous...but "why" she said it can't be that easily dismissed. When there is nothing more important to this country and the people that live here than the next election to wrestle the corruption from the crooks and then have a Democrat stand up and praise a Republicans experience in a sickening political stunt to divide and conquer the very Party she represents...what is sexist about saying thats over the top and unworthy of a vote?

Hillary not becoming the next President of the US has nothing to do with sexism. It has everything to do with her credibility issues, her voting record, this nasty scorched earth campaign her minions ran, her rude way she comes across to people, her attitude that someone owes her something, and her obvious phoniness to anyone capable of looking at the whole picture not through the prism of the bottom of a Kool-Aid glass.

If that sexist, then I guess I'm guilty as charged. But it'll be the first time in my long life I have been labeled that.

But, thats my opinion...and I'm not alone. Not everyone that doesn't vote for Hillary is sexist either. We aren't worried about her vapors. We are worried about this country right now.

[CreekDog]

176. she could've cancelled that concert in Central Park because of the rain

but she stuck it out instead! :applause:

[progressoid]

190. Jeez, one would hope so.

She's a politician running office, she better not wimp out because of some rain. :eyes: Not to mention that pissing off your potential supporters because of the weather would be a DUMB idea.


John Edwards showed up here for a midnight rally after his bus had broken down on a country road when it was 20 below zero. That's their job!

[krkaufman]

195. Well that's just ignorant ... given all the women who've voted for Obama.

Or maybe the group's title is just a shortening of their true sense that they're "The Women Who Count" -- while Obama-voting women no longer count.

[greguganus]

198. What a waste of money to place that ad. n/t

[Colobo]

200. It's over.

[AtomicKitten]

205. The display of crazy outlined in the OP is nothing short of delusional.

I suggest Hillary pull a Lieberman and take her ball and go home. The party can no longer sustain this pathetic, embarrassing display of poor sportsmanship.

[Kittycat]

206. They're they go ASSuming that they're speaking for women, when

in fact they're only speaking for themselves. Because they sure as hell do not speak for me!

[bvar22]

208. In other words:

[PerpetuallyDazed]

210. Obama speaks more to my "feminist" side than Clinton ever will

gender has little to do with it!

On edit: as I read through this post, I cannot help but think how historically, the civil rights and women's movements have usually been in tandem. But today it's as if Obama's "weakness" (his race) is winning the Battle of Bigotry and Hillary's "weakness" (her gender) is setting women back (because it's being used for political purposes?)... It's so sad :(

[LowerManhattanite]

212. Conference-call Astroturfing Part I—Nothing To See Here. n/t

[rodeodance]

215. oh but there is. Looky here:

... http://clintondems.com/2008/05/womencount-pac/

this is the good part.

ads in oregon :banana:


.......The big story is the overwhelming and enormous response to the PAC’s effort. Once we opened the PAC and started to spread the word, we had hundreds of contributions within three days totaling nearly $200,000 — and it’s still coming in. As a result, in addition to USA Today, we have already purchased ads in local papers throughout Oregon that will run on Mo nday and we are working on our Internet advertising strategy.

[LowerManhattanite]

219. Whatever you say, rodeodrudge. n/t

[rodeodance]

214. UPDATE: ads to run in OREGON on Monday.

http://clintondems.com/2008/05/womencount-pac/

this is the good part.

ads in oregon :banana:


.......The big story is the overwhelming and enormous response to the PAC’s effort. Once we opened the PAC and started to spread the word, we had hundreds of contributions within three days totaling nearly $200,000 — and it’s still coming in. As a result, in addition to USA Today, we have already purchased ads in local papers throughout Oregon that will run on Mo nday and we are working on our Internet advertising strategy.

[GarbagemanLB]

222. LOL. Newspaper ads...for those who can't afford REAL ads on television. As an Oregonian, I say

they are wasting their money here.