West Virginian voters on who to vote for in the GE...in their own words.

[mckeown1128]

http://therealnews.com/web/videoframeworksjsauto.php?currentid=1507&thisautoplay=true


A must watch video. Am I a bad person for thinking that the gene pool in West Virginia has fallen behind? Well, chalk it up as an elitist comment from this latte liberal. Seriously though, I know it isn't pc to criticize someones genetic makeup... but it has been true for years that the "best and brightest" have flocked out of West Virginia to get a better education and better jobs in NC and other places.

[Ian David]

1. One day, their kids will watch this in school as part of a documentary on racism. n/t

[mckeown1128]

2. I suspect it will part of a documentary on the famous

President Obama... about the initial resistance to the change he brought. :) Then the documentary will move on to what he did to earn a place on our 10$ bill. :evilgrin:

[yellerpup]

37. Put him on a $20, please!

It's time to knock Andrew Jackson out of the pantheon.

[DevonRex]

3. OMG. Those "dems" who will vote for McCain are disgusting.

That video made me ill. Those people made me ill. And of course, they're not prejudiced or nothin'.

And to think that some people here will align themselves with those people. I say good riddance to bad rubbish.

Hell, even people in Mississippi, where I'm from originally, have enough sense not to say that stuff on camera.

[bluestateguy]

12. Could that be because Mississippi at least has black people, unlike WV?

These people in WV probably have no contact with blacks, as they live in a very white state, and all they know about blacks is what they see on TV (sports, entertainment and the evening news crime report).

At least in Mississippi, blacks make up 37% of the population.

[DevonRex]

27. I think that's part of it. But mostly I think Mississippi has been so

visible in issues of race that most racist whites there learned to keep their opinions private. And I'm not saying all whites there are racist, far from it. But I do tend to see it in the more isolated areas of the state.

[olkaz]

4. It's not elitist to look down on racists.

But, honestly, these days I'm sure there are people here that would argue that point.

[Independent-Voter]

5. Clinton supporters say Democrats should pander to these folks. I don't agree.

[mmonk]

9. No there should be no pandering to hate.

It serves no useful purpose to humanity. Just when one is elected, provide everyone with a better life and education. Then the sickness within them will die.

[mmonk]

6. I see no difference from that attitude

and that from when I was younger going through the sixties. Even though the violence and overt racism has declined, the soul of that backward darkness still breathes in America and has in recent years through rightwing talk radio has been given sustenance.

[calimary]

62. VERY good point. Especially about the hate radio part. It gave voice to all those

dirty little secrets and dirty little ideas that everyone, even the Deliverance crowd, knew they shouldn't talk about anymore, but still felt, deep-down. It validated all of that, and all of them, and gave them mainstream credibility as hate radio gained commercial dominance. And it's a shame.

I'm conflicted in one sense. It would be very easy for me to get snarky with these people. There's a part of me that's ITCHING to do so - to make some smart-ass crack about "ooooh, I get it. The closet-racism finally rears its ugly head!") at somebody who either trash talks Obama or promotes mcsame - to stick it in and twist it. Especially those people who still don't hesitate to sneer at me for being anti-war and anti-bush. I would like to pay them back, and kick them in the nuts and make them feel terrible about themselves. Don't know that I'll actually do that. We're supposed to be about healing and bringing more people to us, rather than pissing them off and pushing them away, and it's hard to promote conversions and other assorted political soul-saving. Honey versus vinegar and all that.

BUT IT'S WHAT I WANNA DO, DAMMIT!!!!! Rub it in. With salt, and dirty beach sand.

Revenge is mine, so sayeth the insufferable loud-mouth schmuck republi-CON despiser calimary. I'm basically a low-life shit.

:P

[bluestateguy]

7. That settles it: I now favor intelligence testing to qualify voters.

Test everyone. Only Americans with brains should be voting.

[SoonerPride]

8. Same thing for breeding.

Too many fucking stupid and ignorant morans in the world.


















I'm only slightly kidding.

[Armstead]

10. Obama is a Muslim.....Gimme a break.

That woman in the coffeeshop who said "We need to know about these candidates" and than says she doesn't like him because he's Muslim.

She probably also doesn't like him because he has a Black Christian Preacher.

She ought to just come to the point and she she doesn't like him because he is a ni******r.

[irish.lambchop]

11. We've not fallen behind -

we've just not advanced. It's frustrating - try teaching here - definitely not for the feint of heart or thin-skinned. I'm banking on Obama's plan of rewarding those who teach in certain areas to hit here and hit hard!

[mckeown1128]

19. I know every president tries to be the "education" president...

but I really think Obama is going to do a good job with education in this country. McCain on the other hand thinks the problem is that public schools aren't "competitive" enough with private schools. McCain=Voucher attempt round 2.

[irish.lambchop]

31. Exactly - and I'm looking forward to the Obama army of

teachers infiltrating this state and making a huge dent in ignorance on every level.

[Benhurst]

13. The people of West Virginia have elected Robert Byrd (D) and

Jay Rockefeller (D) to the United States Senate.

Your home state of Georgia's contribution has been right-wingers Saxby Chambliss (R) and Johnny Isakson (R).

And you look down upon West Virginia?

You seem to to look up to NC. Have you checked out our right-wing senators Dole and Burr? We may even have you beat in the race to the bottom of the Senatorial barrel.

[dorkulon]

17. I think you're missing the point.

I doubt the OP would deny there are plenty of ignorant racists in Georgia too.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

20. WVA lucked out with Byrd, Rockefeller won by name

Byrd used to be in the KKK but has changed alot.

Rockefeller came from NY to WV because it is the most economical way
to get a US Senate Seat.

Georgia is taken over by right wingers, but this happened when their state
switched to paperless Diebold machines.

Google "rob georgia" for the Diebold files that rigged the election.

I'm from WVa originally, and I know that the state is at least 10 years behind the
rest of the country, and young people either join the military or move to another
state.

[mckeown1128]

23. I don't claim GA as my home......

My wife and I are stuck here while she is in the military. We dream of returning to California...sniffle...one day.

[dorkulon]

14. I'm not prejudiced or nuthin'

I just don't like black people. Amazing the things that come out of some people's mouths.

[Occam Bandage]

15. Okay, the eugenics in the OP is just as disturbing as the comments made in the video.

[mckeown1128]

21. I'm sure there are lovely people in West Virginia...

I was talking about those like the ones in the video.

[Occam Bandage]

26. Claiming there is a genetic component to cultural behavior is a very bad path to go down.

I don't want to pseudo-Godwin the thread, but that was the exact same argument that post-Darwin, pre-Hitler racists used to justify discrimination against blacks. They said that only the stupidest and slowest were caught by slavers and shipped over, and that centuries of slavery had favored the strong and brutish over the intelligent and disciplined--and that by now, they were simply born stupider, wilder, and more physically dangerous than white people were. Similar arguments were also used by Nazi (Godwin!) "scientists" to justify mistreatment of Gypsies, Jews, and Slavs; European colonialists to justify mistreatment of, well, the entire globe, and Japanese to justify mistreatment of Chinese.

I don't mean to remotely imply that you are suggesting any sort of discrimination against West Virginians, and I agree that the people in the video are reprehensible and that pandering to them is the absolute wrong position. At the same time, saying that their genetic makeup is inferior? Scientifically backwards, culturally ignorant, and reminiscent of very bad points in history.

[mckeown1128]

55. you are reading too much into what I was saying...

I was trying to insult looks and the intelligence of the racists... I was not making a serious claim about the gene pool in WV. Though there is a cultural aspect to the fact that so many of their college educated citizens leave the state...leaving the "he's a muslim" crowd behind to vote.

[yardwork]

30. I agree. Apparently the irony is over the head of the OP.

[QC]

46. Lost irony is becoming a major feature of DU discourse now.

Like all those "how dare those inbred sister-fucking roadkill-eating genetic catastrophes accuse me of looking down on them??!!" threads of a few weeks back.

[QC]

45. Thank you for saying that.

I was beginning to wonder if old-fashioned eugenics was going to be part of the new politics of hope and change. Not a nice thought.

[sniffa]

16. I just don't agree with him being president. I'll leave it at that.

I think our country should be run by someone from here.

[K Gardner]

18. Stewart had some footage worse than this.. can't find a video of it tho. It was both hilarious and

sad.. and very scary.

[gcomeau]

32. Video link

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/West_Virginia_election_coverage_drives_Jon_0515.html

[wvbygod]

22. One person in the video mentions race and you write off the whole state?

I'm sure an edited video from where you hail could come up with one person
that would vote against Hillary because of her race. The video author
was looking for a race issue and found a bad tooth. That shot of a street
named Race St. was supposed to mean something too?

The video only proves that if you look long and hard enough for a negative
you will find it.

[mmonk]

24. I don't think that was the intent of the OP,

just making an observation based on comments.

[mckeown1128]

25. wow your defending it....

amazing... One said he was a muslim, another said race, other's said that they are voting for Hillary because she and McCain now the national anthem... and that she "wasn't sure" about Obama. If you can't see people dancing around racism and religious bigotry...you have your own problems.


Also the exit polls said 20% of voters voted based on race...20% admitted it... how many were too uncomfortable to admit it?

[yardwork]

29. The poster is pointing out that a similar video could be made anywhere, not defending the bigotry.

We have a huge problem with bigotry and ignorance in this country. It's counterproductive to point to a few states and pretend that the problem is unique to them.

[bigtree]

35. bullshit. the poster didn't defend it. what a pathetic lie

Looks like you're just determined to label folks you know nothing about with the tag of racism just because they disagree with your attempt to label an entire state based on the actions of a few individuals. You're 'playing the race card'. Welcome to the world of bigotry.

[wvbygod]

50. umm no, and I'm not about to say all of GA is illiterate either

due to you using "your" instead of the proper "you're".

I don't know any of my democrat kind here that are voting McCain but a few
have declared they will write in Hillary due to the ignorance that some Obama
supporters have displayed towards their home state. Likely they will vote Dem
in the end.

Most if not all racism anywhere can be blamed on upbringing and education.
That is what we need to work on and fix. Bigotry and racism are learned at home,
it is not confined to any set of states.

[yardwork]

28. A similar video could be made anywhere in the country. It's not just West Virginia.

I think it's a good thing to point out racism and backward thinking. I strongly disagree with singling out any one state or region of the country. The owner of Free Republic lives in California.

[cali]

42. you couldn't make that video in several places in the country

you'd be hard pressed to make it in Hawaii or Vermont- two demographically very different states. The cultural disapproval of such sentiments here is overwhelming. Not saying some folks don't think it here, but say it on film? Nope. Wouldn't happen. I'm sorry, but some regions of the country are more accepting of such sentiments being openly expressed.

[yardwork]

43. I'm 100% certain that it would be possible to make such a video anywhere in the country.

All the videographer needs to do is find a nest of white supremacists. They're everywhere.

[cali]

54. take a look at the SPLC map sometime that

documents where white supremacist groups are. I'm 100 percent certain that you'd have a very hard time making this video here. I've lived among a lot of rednecks in the Kingdom for a very long time, and though there's certainly some racism, it's just not easy to get people to vocalize it publically and not to strangers.

[yardwork]

56. As a monthly donor to the SPLC, I'm familiar with their maps.

What's your point? That Vermont is better than every other state in the union? It's great that you're proud of your state, but why pick on other states? I know some wonderful people who live in West Virginia, as progressive and open-hearted as you will ever meet.

In what way does picking on other states reflect progressive values?

[cali]

66. I haven't said one word against WV which is a state I've visited

many times and have a real fondness for. Fuuthermore, I wrote a thread defending WV a few days ago. Where in my posts is there ANY criticism of WV? Oh, that's right, there isn't any. You know what isn't a progressive value at all? Twisting someone's words or simply putting words in their mouth.

[yardwork]

67. You're obviously just trying to pick a fight.

[cali]

69. no. I'm offended by your outlandish accusation. You're the one

that tried to pick a fight by saying that I said something I clearly did not say.

bye bye.

[wvbygod]

51. Sorry cali but you are very wrong

I spent many years living and working in Vermont. There are still many
confederate flags flying high in Vermonter's yards. Once you get out of
Burlington the Queen city and away from Groovy UV you will find much bigotry
against people of color and those with differing values from Ethan Allen.

You either have never been there or never strayed off the sightseeing trail.

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[indimuse]

34. Does this make you feel better about Obama's Whoopass...41%...

Oh Yeah.... "Presumptive..."

[sniffa]

38. Makes me feel good that your thread got locked

[Name removed]

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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[sniffa]

49. You're quite clever

[yellerpup]

36. Why are we afraid of losing these ignorant a-holes?

We would be doing the country and the world a great injustice if we chose a candidate on skin color because of the prejudices of our most backward and uneducated citizens. That being said, I have a friend from Martinsburg, WV who is one of the most enlightened, nonprejudiced, liberal, intellectual people I have ever met. Not all West Virginians are hillbilly caricatures.

[BlooInBloo]

52. Because they're *for* the bigots.

[graywarrior]

39. Let em live where they live---steeped in racism.

I feel bad for non-whites who have to live with them and put up with that subtle they-know-it's-wrong racism.

[crankychatter]

40. yeah, you're wrong - link "Only a Pawn in Their Game" Bob Dylan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fffHzrtHhZM

I make that joke sometimes... "Something is awry with the gene pool."

But I've noticed that the humor is the tip of the iceberg, as with racism. If they were voting for progressive candidates all would be forgiven and we'd defend them with flamethrowers.

So, it's wrong. It's not OK to hate on the poor, especially with aspersions to their genetic quality.

I don't like classism. I like Southern and rural folks. I'm from that stock. So yeah, it's personal.

Underneath the jokes is genuine contempt. People are underinformed and my experience is they ARE TEACHABLE. That's more than I can say for many of their Yankee counterparts. Abuse is not helpful in the educational process.

[k8conant]

41. And the Republican woman will vote for Obama over McCain and

McCain over Clinton. I liked that. I wonder what they'd hear in Shepherdstown (where Obama won!) or Charles Town.

[Crunchy Frog]

68. And her "Democratic" McCain over Obama friend

looked so shocked and offended.

[marlakay]

44. When they say lack of education they mean it

unfortunately. It is just a true fact that people who don't pay attention like we do go for the scare ads and other things the right propaganda pulls out. I remember last election my older daughter voted for Bush because of the war and nothing I could say would talk her out of it, but she was just working and not online, and not watching the news so she didn't real know the truth.

Now...she is older (29) and watching the news, going online and she voted for Obama.

So what I am saying is the people in WV are like she used to be, not paying close enough attention to know the truth and when people try to talk to them like I did my daughter they just act like they know (when they don't have a clue) and get all huffy about it.

[mckeown1128]

57. You story reminded me of something..

When I was campaigning for Obama here in GA, me and my wingman(only term I know for buddy..lol) knocked on a door and when the lady answered we started to give her our pitch for Obama. Before we could get into it she interrupted to say that she will be voting for Bush again this fall. We were floored. She then went on to say how Bush is doing a great job and needs to stay where he's at. We didn't bother to correct her because it was clear that she was being serious. Amazing.

[MagickMuffin]

47. The sky IS falling.... The Democrat will vote for McCain, The repubicon will vote for Obama

The two ladies at the diner, what an interesting turn of events.

"We just don't know anything about him."

Here's a suggestion, do some research. Watch a C-SPAN Obama rally.

There is NO reason to NOT be an informed voter. There is still plenty of time to educate yourselves. Don't let your ignorance get in your way. You don't have to be ignorant, find out who Barack is if you have such concerns.

[UndertheOcean]

53. disgusting

[asdjrocky]

58. God what crap.

This is my take, if we elect McLame because there as still so many people in this country to afraid and or stupid to see beyond skin color, then we're getting exactly what we as a country deserve.

It's time to turn this page.

[DeaconBlues]

59. So, you point out that we should be outraged by the racism shown

by the individuals in the video, but then you use genetic background to explain the opinions of the people in the video?

Someday your post will be used to explain cognitive dissonance in the textbooks.:crazy:

And, incidentally, your comment does sound extremely fucking elitist.

[mckeown1128]

60. I wasn't making a serious genetic claim...

I was trying to insult the intelligence and look of those racists on the video... (I knew I should of gone with an imbred insult)

[DeaconBlues]

63. No, you were not just making a claim about the individuals on the video

You were making an argument about the residents of an entire state. And if it wasn't a serious claim, why make it?

I voted for Obama last Tuesday, and I have been with Obama since the beginning of the race. But the attitudes of some of the people here toward others who aren't "enlightened" enough to vote their way really pisses me off.

By the way, what is an "imbred?" Is it something elitist liberals make when they're not busy listening to NPR's food programs and drinking lattes?

[mckeown1128]

70. I have no problem with them voting for Hillary...

Thus I haven't had any problems with the voters in NY NJ MA CA AZ NV etc....


But there is a case to be made that a large portion of people who voted for Hillary in west virginia did so based on her being white and Obama being black (20% actually admitted race played a factor for them) Who knows how many were less open about it. Then we see interview's showing racism in WV...open in public racism.... Excuse me if I have a problem with that. Excuse me if I want to belittle and insult a state with such a high percentage of racists. (and this is the Dem primary, the percentage is most likely higher on the Rep side)

Ohh.. and I don't listen to NPR food programs...only the news reports.

[beandoc]

64. Ugh! This video should come with a warning.

[Cali_Democrat]

61. Yick

To be fair there are racists in all states. I guess WV has a higher concentration of racists though.

[Crunchy Frog]

65. "Ah don't feel like puttin' a black man in there. Ah ain't prejudice or nothin."

No wonder that place is locked in such poverty and misery. I really hope President Obama will be able to help those pathetic people.