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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:39 AM
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My WV story
I went through basic training at fort Knox Kentucky during winter. We were given a four day weekend for Christmas and one of my buddies from Michigan took me with him to stay with his relatives in WV. I really had good time and met some decent folks that I found to be quite likable. Was there the typical stereo types? Of course there was. There was moonshine, his 13 year old pregnant toothless cousin and her 15 year old brother who bragged to me about being the biggest kid in the 6th great. Not a single bit of that suprised me though. I grew up in Upstate New York; just as country as any town in the deep south. We had more than our fair share of toothless pregnant 13 year olds. Every year there would be the one 15 year old sixth grader who would without fail, drop out the next year. As for the moonshine; bring it on. I brew my own beer and wine. My father in law is German and makes his own schnapps. My Austrian born great grandfather kept his special schnapps as well. Don't see a damn thing wrong with making your own spirits.

His uncle was actually well off and a great funny guy and by no means a stupid person. I still don't get that one; very intelligent and witty, yet "honored" me by naming one of his fighting cocks after me. Really, I was told many times by townfolks what an honor that was.

There was one little problem though that clouded the whole experience. Some of the nicest people I have ever met who treated me like family yet thought it was just peachy to nick name "NY N@##$R" I actually got introduced around by that name. I pointed out the fact that I am one pastey white guy but it did not matter. I was from NY and there for "NY N@##$R". Strangest part about it is that despite this mentality not one actual word was uttered about black people, not a single stupid joke was told, no discussions about race at all. Just shy of 20 years ago and I still scratch my head over it.

I really understood where Obama was coming from when he supposedly threw his granny under the bus. I don't understand the nickname I was given yet genuinely liked the people I met and can't bring myself to hate them either. My brother in law is black and despite two wonderful neices; my parents never excepted him. They are the ones who won't vote for Obama because he is black. Some how they can have two beautiful grand daughters who are half black yet oppose Obama simply because he is one of "them" and we have to stand up to "them". That stupid kind of mentality isn't just in WV. Trust me, as a New Yorker it lives in the "progressive" North East as well.

I kind of feel like calling for a pox on both camps. Hillary supporters who say WV isn't a state steeping in racial stupidity are only fooling themselves. Those of us on Obamas side really need to listen to what he was saying when he tied Wright and his grandmother together. Throwing hatred around at people and dismissing them as stupid bumpkins isn't gonna help make changes. Don't apologize for the stupidity, but please do realize that yes most of them are still decent people and some times you have to let the racial comments slide off your back. Reaching out and influencing them is how you change the culture. Spitting at them and calling them retards won't help.

The entire state of WV is not some backwoods inbred bunch of morons to be tossed aside and forgotten. If you want to decry that bullshit of using the term Elitist Latte Liberal as an identity politics wedge; why are you falling for it hook, line and sinker with WV?

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The Great Escape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:45 AM
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1. I Actually Owe DU a Debt of Gratitude.....
I didn't realize that I was an uneducated, toothless, sister lovin', moron that had never travelled outside of my holler', until I came here this week. That gives me a good jumping off point.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:47 AM
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4. It is amazing, isn't it? People who would not sit for other forms of bigory
will sometimes exhibit all sorts of bigoted behavior regarding locations. Pisses me off and it probably loses us votes across rural areas everywhere in America.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:48 AM
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5. Hey! Not everyone on DU ... just remember that please.
The primaries have been rugged; don't take too much of this to heart please.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:50 AM
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7. I won't fault you
NY is no different. I have well over 50 first second and third cousins. I think about three of us went to college. Only two of us actually had our first kids after being married. Still good people though.
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The Great Escape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:06 AM
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11. I Appreciate Your Original Post...
I really do, truthfully, it would probably be easier for me to post a "Tell Your Best West Virginia Joke" thread on GDP. I might actually read one that I haven't heard before! I suppose I should have a thicker skin but I have had a 44 year love affair with my beloved state, that shows no signs of letting up. It stings no less now than it did the first time I travelled out of the desolate coal camp :sarcasm: I was raised in. I was truly amazed not everyone thought West Va. was a wonderful place.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:45 AM
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2. kick
nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:46 AM
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3. Thanks for your post, good advice, rec'd. nt
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:49 AM
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6. Thanks excellent point.. My ties to West Virginia
My ties to West Virginia

Robert Harper (Harper's Ferry) was a great, great, great uncle on my mother's side

In 1751, Robert Harper was given a patent on 125 acres (0.5 km²) at the present location of the town. In 1761, Harper established a ferry across the Potomac making the town a starting point for settlers moving into the Shenandoah Valley and further west. In 1763, the Virginia General Assembly established the town of "Shenandoah Falls at Mr. Harper's Ferry."

On October 25, 1783, Thomas Jefferson visited Harpers Ferry. He viewed "the passage of the Potomac though the Blue Ridge" from a rock which is now named for him. Jefferson was actually on his way to Philadelphia and passed through Harpers Ferry with his daughter Patsy. Jefferson called the site "perhaps one of the most stupendous scenes in nature.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpers_Ferry,_West_Virgin...

My Grandfather on my father's side was a poor coal miner in West Virginia and Kentucky
during the coal mining wars of 1900-1910, he had a 6th grade education, was a bigoted, xenophobic
but lovable old coot who died of black lung disease.



Growing up in Virginia, my dad would take us camping in the fall, up
on the Seneca Creek, West Virginia, on some land that his friend farmed.

http://dnr.md.gov/publiclands/central/seneca.html


My point is also ...... Ease off on West Virginia..

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DemsUnited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:54 AM
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8. Beautiful post. I agree that there are some people who will never
change. But I believe their children will -- like you, your sister and clearly your nieces. Each generation is increasingly blind to bigotry, or at least chooses to reject it.

The younger generation are the ones who must clean up the horrible mess we are leaving for them. And it is clear that our next generation overwhelmingly want Barrack Obama as their next President. More than anything, that is why I support him.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:57 AM
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9. I agree with you here and you are right:
Reaching out and influencing them is how you change the culture. Spitting at them and calling them retards won't help.

Which is why I hope Obama campaigns more in WV and other places like WV and reaches out to the people there as an example of how to change the culture there.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:02 AM
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10. yet hillary felt
she still had to pander to big coal. mountain top mining? why sure. just put the top back on.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:07 AM
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12. yet hillary felt
she still had to pander to big coal. mountain top mining? why sure. just put the top back on.
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:07 AM
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13. basic training is good for that, isn't it?
i spent many a night guarding a fork in the road in the backwoods of fort benning, ga, having really interesting, stereotype-busting conversations with corn-fed good-ole-boys, and we all came out the better for it-

i couldn't even fault them for their outrageous misconceptions either- i blame the insulated environments they grew up in; i can't even remember how many times i was told that i was the first Black guy they ever really talked to-

which led to the inevitable "you're not like THEM; you're so..." bullshit, but that's another story

and the things they'd admit to? klan rallies? gay bashing? heinous shit

but either way, i'd have trusted some of those rednecks with my life-

"low information" means just that: lack of information

doesn't mean they're stupid, just uninformed

i digress tho
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:12 AM
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14. Great line...
"Reaching out and influencing them is how you change the culture. Spitting at them and calling them retards won't help."

:thumbsup:
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