Will Hillary Take This To The Convention? Yes or No.

[Bonobo]

Simple question with big implications for the General Election, so what do you think?

On edit: Please kick once in a while in addition to voting. Thanks.

[jenmito]

1. People from her camp keep naming June 3rd as the date they're in it 'til. They

also talk about the meeting May 31st re: MI and FL.

[TexasObserver]

2. she won't, because her delegate count peaks June 3rd

from that point forward, she will be losing, not gaining, delegates

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. Is Puerto Rico included?

[TexasObserver]

20. yeah, you're right. It will be June 7th, not 3rd.

Puerto Rico has to get its vote in.

[PM7nj]

21. Doesn't PR vote June 1st?

[TexasObserver]

30. you're right. I was right the first time. June 1st PR and June 3rd Montana

[gateley]

3. I think if she COULD she WOULD,

but I don't think she'll be able to. Either Obama will get the del count before then -- and if not, she just can't do it financially,.

So I voted no.

[RBInMaine]

4. FL and MI compromise by early/mid June. Supers flow to Obama 06/03. DONE DEAL FOR OBAMA.

[RBInMaine]

6. Bill and Hill will bow out gracefully in early/mid June. Don't want to be "sore loser spoilers."

[ORDem]

23. She's simply trying to angle for Veep, so she's putting on her nice face. nt

[MrSlayer]

I do not see any evidence that she won't.

I'm hoping she will shock me and show some class and bow out with a great concession speech but I just do not see it happening. She has the power make this thing right but will she?

[MrSlayer]

5. Dupe.

n/t

[Bonobo]

10. Link?

[Double T]

7. HRC will take her campaign ALL THE WAY to the convention..........

where she will have her VICTORY NOMINATION.

[sasquatch]

11. You forgot this

:sarcasm:

[Double T]

15. Hardly! I did forget...........

NObama!!!!

[Swamp Rat]

8. Not if she wants to keep her senate seat.

[sasquatch]

9. Only if she wants to set back our country 300 hundred years

[existentialist]

12. June 3

I also think that she will stay in until the last primaries on June 3.

When those two states (including mine) go for Obama, as the polling data indicates they will.

I believe she will finally drop then.

I believe that she will pretty much need to not so much because of the few delegates at stake in Montana and South Dakota, but rather because many of the superdelegates are waiting until June 3.

That's reasonable. I can't even fault Clinton for staying in until after the last primary.

What I can fault her for is for the kind of campaign that she has been running.

That, as much as any one other factor, is why I am now firmly committed to Obama. She could stay in until June 3 with my blessing if she'd just belatedly clean up her act.

That would give me the chance to cast a meaningful vote for Obama.

[John Q. Citizen]

17. wicasa, I hate to point this out to you, but MT is completely in the Mountain Time zone, where as

SD is only partly in Mountain Time and partly in Central Time zone.

That means Montana is truly "Last in the Nation!!!!" You guys are kind of second to the last in a way.

Anyway, I'm hoping enough super delegates keep moving to Obama that the voters in SD and MT put him over the 2024 mark with pledged delegates won in MT and SD. That would be best for everyone, because then the appearance is that the voters chose Obama, not the supers.

At that point a bunch of supers will also add their endorsements (after 2024 has been crossed) and a bunch will switch from Clinton to Obama.

Obama will have won with the voters putting him over, and Clinton will hopefully concede at that point.

[existentialist]

31. Well, you are correct about the time zones.

I don't know what the polling hours in Montana are. The polling hours are 7:00 am to 7:00 pm in South Dakota, with the qualification that if people are standing in line to vote, that the polls stay open until everyone in line at 7:00 pm has voted.


I am in the Mountain Time Zone (at least for purposes of voting in state and national elections).

[John Q. Citizen]

33. Our polls are open 7 am until 8 pm with a similar provision about people in line by 8pm.

But I'm just joking anyway about the coveted "Last in the Nation" status.

It's my attempt at comical revenge on those states who felt the need to violate the rules and cut in line. They covet the "First in the Nation" status, yet this year, the last are first.

Obama's site has him needing 150 more delegates total to win the nomination (2024.5 total delegates)since there are 217 pledged still up for grabs if Obama can win about half of those or 100, then he only needs another 50 supers in the next 21 days between now and June 3rd to have SD and MT voters put him over the top.

That would be very cool indeed for a whole lot of reasons.

First of all, the supers don't want to appear to be the king makers. It would give them all some cover if it were the voters and pledged delegates who put Obama over the top.

Second, it would be better for Obama. The narrative in the news would be, 'SD & MT voters put Obama over the top!'

and Third, it would allow Sen. Clinton to say 'The voters have spoken and I concede.'

[existentialist]

35. Well, it looks like Obama has two votes on June 3.

Actually I know that my wife intends to vote for him too.

[Zomby Woof]

13. No

She will concede by June. There is a lot of veracity to the idea that she wants to go out with a few solid primary wins. WV and KY will provide those, and then she will likely bow out. This way, she can preserve the tenacious image she has cultivated with supporters without appearing she has lost from a position of weakness.

I predict a conciliatory speech hitting all the right notes. I expect Senator Obama will accept her olive branch, and counter with some harmonious rhetoric of his own. The party will need it.

[WeDidIt]

14. It would make more sense to go independent

She'd gain as much animosity from the party as taking it to the convention and she'd at least have something resmbling a chance at becoming president.

[blackboard]

16. Can't happen

She's already 20 million in debt. She couldn't finance a independent party.

[Lerrad]

18. I don't think she will....

I think the race will go on untill May 20th. I think she will have no choice but to drop out then.

[curious one]

22. Yes, she will take it all the way.

[Joe Bacon]

24. Let her go to the convention.

She's already $20+ million in debt, aw shucks let her go all the way, as long as she tosses another $100K my way :-)

[GetTheRightVote]

25. yes she will, this is one determined woman I have to say

:kick:

[Lerrad]

26. Kick! n/t

[dailykoff]

27. She'll be lucky to get a speaking spot.

I'll be surprised to see the Clinton family get a ten-minute slot before prime time.

[democrattotheend]

32. I think Obama should give her a prime time speaking spot

She still has a strong following, and it would be stupid for Obama to snub her that the convention. I remember being really upset in 2004 when I heard that Dean wasn't getting a spot (I think Kerry changed his mind and gave him one, because I remember hearing him on the radio as we were driving home from work (in California, prime time on East Coast)).

I hope that she will campaign for him, and he can't ask her to campaign for him and then deny her a speaking slot at the convention.

[RareLubbockDem]

28. As a former supporter, I've lost so much respect, but...

if she can do the right thing here, I'll regain some of it.

[Heathen57]

29. I think she won't, (wait for it)

BUT I'm afraid she is so dazzled by her own self importance and arrogance that she will not even take the convention seriously when the officially nominate Obama.

The night before the swearing-in of Obama as POTUS, we may see Hillary standing before the white house Yelling "I can still win this thing!"

[SurfingAtWork]

34. I voted yes

However I believe that is with the caveat that things in the rules and bylaws committee go her way.

[Danger Mouse]

36. no. she'll concede before then.

[Oak2004]

37. No, the party will step in if she tries it n/t

[Bonobo]

38. 60:40 split is interesting.

A higher number of people believe she will go to the convention than I expected.

[WinTwins]

39. She's bleeding MoJo.

She will continue her brave campaign through the primaries, but increasingly she will find it very hard to maintain a political base separate from the new bOss of our party, that twO tOn gOrilla, BHO.

Can I get an O-men, brothers and sisters.