Hillary Supporters - Remember You Are Democrats - Why You Should Vote for Obama

[Avalux]

I've been a member of DU for a very long time and remember what this place was like when Bush 'declared war' on Iraq. The vast majority of us were against it; so many of us knew Iraq was not the threat we were told it was; we knew our government was lying to us and there was nothing we could do to stop it. We watched "Shock and Awe" and the aftermath; the last 5 years have unfolded into a nighmarish I-told-you-so; we knew it would turn out this way.

We knew PNAC's plan for the Middle East and how Iraq was the first step. That group of twisted idealogues who more than ten years ago devised a plan to systematically knock off the governments of adversarial countries with our military might. The goal - create chaos in the region so we could step in and take control of their resources (oil). No matter the lives lost and shattered.

We must remember that PNAC has not gone away even though Iraq got so messy; the major players are still pulling the strings and this election will not magically render them powerless. We need a leader who will work to take the power away from them by changing policies. With a stronger majority in the House and Senate, Obama will be able to do so; he will be able to reverse so many of the GOP/Bush's horrible unconstitutional decisions. If McCain is elected, he will continue Bush's unilateralism and the war will continue and spread.

I was reminded of this fact this morning. McCain lover Joe Lieberman was on MSNBC extolling the virtues of his new best friend's foreign policy and the possible need to go into Iran to bomb 'military' sites. From his lips, I heard the f*cked up reason why - Iran is killing our troops in Iraq. Not insurgents, not even Al Qaeda, but Iranians. We are now to believe that if it wasn't for Iran, Iraq would be peaceful and we wouldn't lose any more troops. We are to believe this is why we must bomb Iran.

After listening to Lieberman, I don't think military action against Iran will happen before Bush leaves office. What I do think is that in the run-up to November, the argument for action will be framed just as Lieberman did this morning. The American people will be brainwashed (with the help of the media), into believing we must do so to protect our troops in Iraq. Lieberman is salivating at the thought of war with Iran, hence his cheerleading routine for McCain right now.

Every Democrat must face the truth about McCain. Allowing this man to become president will GUARANTEE more war, more death and further gutting of our country.

You may not completely agree with Obama's healthcare plan, you may think he is an elitist, you may think he is more style than substance. But unless all Democrats get behind him and do whatever it takes to put him in the White House, we can expect PNAC's plan to live on with a McCain presidency.

If nothing else moves you to get out and vote for Barack Obama, think of this: NO MORE WAR.

The future of our country is depending on his election.

[ccharles000]

1. I will happily vote for whoever our nominee is.

[Avalux]

3. That's good to hear.

And if Hillary were to be the nominee, I'd vote for her too.

[Beacool]

2. Sorry I "must" is not in my vocabulary.

I think that Obama is an inexperienced rookie who is not ready to be president. Will I vote for McCain? Of course not, but neither will I vote for Obama.

I would have held my nose and voted for a combined ticket, but since Teddy in his drunken wisdom thinks that Hillary doesn't have "leadership" skills, I feel the same way about him and the rest of the party leadership who enabled this primary to become a bloody disaster and has bitterly divided the party. Party unity for the GE? Fat chance!!!

[Lerkfish]

4. ironic, since even though I don't like hillary, I would have voted for her

I guess we can figure out who is the true democrat, between us, eh?

[Avalux]

5. Then you will be helping McCain.

The thought process behind your decision to not vote for the Democrat is foolish.

[Beacool]

20. I decided to stop voting for a candidate only because he has the D next to his name.

I voted like a dope for candidates who may have been good people, but were losers as candidates: Mondale, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry.

That's it, this time I'm not voting for a guy who I don't think is deserving of the presidency at this point in time. He may yet win it, but it certainly won't be with my vote. You all may be surprised to know how many other Dems. I talked to feel the same way.

You want party unity? Then start by treating Hillary with respect!!!

[Avalux]

21. You will be helping McCain become president then.

Along with the 'many other Dems' you've talked to. I don't understand this because of what's at stake. I would have voted for Hillary because I am a Democrat above all else.

[Lerkfish]

22. threats, extortion, what else you got? how does this make us respect clinton or you, for that matter

honestly. Your true colors are shining through, there.

[Beacool]

33. I'm not threatening anyone.

People will vote or not vote, that's their choice. I would say the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot. I only have one candidate in this race, the minute she bows out I will too. I'm so disgusted with the party and their crappy "leadership" throughout this primary that if it weren't for the state and local Dems., I would switch my registration to Independent.

[Lerkfish]

37. you're threatening to leave the democratic party....oops you did it again.

you threatened to switch your registration to independent.

when I said "threats" I didn't mean you were threatening a person, I thought that was fairly evident.

[PoliticalAmazon]

92. HOORAY! An independent thinker. I hope you will consider voting for Obama....

I think he would made a great president, as greater or even greater than JFK. He generally has a positive approach, doesn't try to scare people, and has tried to take the high road during the campaign.

I am very impressed at how he has started a multi-step voter registration drive. McCain has had months where he has been twiddling his thumbs and he couldn't be bothered with spending his energy or funds to get Americans ready to vote.

The fact that Obama is bringin in so many young people is so important, IMO. Obama is looking forward to the future with the expectation that we can start to address what's wrong with our country, and I think this forward thinking approach is a big draw for the young voters. Young voters often are someof the most energetic and enthusiastic volunteers, which will be important in the next few months, too.

About treating Hillary with respect....I won't vote for someone unless they earn my vote by convincing me they will be a good president. Likewise, I don't give respect away to those who haven't earned it. I used to be a loyal Hillary supporter, but she has done so much to make me not respect her that I can no longer be her supporter.

I voted for Kerry last time, too, and when he cut-and-run, conceding to Bush Jr the morning after election day, before many of us had even sobered up, I swore that was the last time I would ever vote for someone I don't think would make a good president. I'm in solidarity with your determination to make the right choice, and I hope that you will in the future consider the possibility of voting for Obama.

[Beacool]

99. That's just it, I don't think that Obama would be a good president.

I think that he's an opportunist, a slick operator and I have little respect for anyone who started running for the presidency before he actually had a resume to fall back on. Charisma and pretty oratory had the reverse effect on me than on the young, it repelled me. I don't trust him, nor even like him. Therefore, the only way I could remotely even consider voting for him would be in the event that Hillary was also on the ticket. Either way, I'm not even sure whether he's electable.

[Think82]

104. You're reasons for not voting obama aren't good voting reasons. issues? hello?

Anything beyong "I don't like that young whippersnapper." Obama is very likeable to me. Family man, honest, straightforward. You sound like a bitter old person, who may or not be racist.

[Beacool]

106. Old?

I'm Obama's same age. Too funny........

[PoliticalAmazon]

112. "Good" voing reasons? Sorry, but Americans have their right to choose....

and saying someone's reasons aren't "valid" is the kind of judgmental approach that is going to piss off ANY Democrat.

We need the Hillary supporters to win in November, but it is ultimately their choice whether they come over or not. Pissing them off isn't going to help.

[PoliticalAmazon]

111. I hope you can keep an open mind. But I do understand where you are coming from. n/t

[damonm]

117. "An opportunist, a slick operator"...

...are all terms that could well describe Bill Clinton in 1992. Look how horribly THAT turned out - 8 years of peace & prosperity. But if you wish to sit on your thumbs and enable 4 more years of Bush policies, that's your call.

[sellitman]

109. Here is your argument:

-My feelings have been hurt.

-Those bad men in the media said bad words about Hillary.

-Those nasty people on my favorite message board also have been rude, so screw the whole party.

-My candidates platform and ideas are so different from Obama's that I would rather deprive my own party of my precious vote.

-The Supreme Court be dammed. Along with Abortion Rights because no one likes my standard bearer.

_The Constitution be dammed too.

-A McCain win would be another 4 years of bush but that is ok with me, I'm going to sit this one out or vote for someone else who has no chance of winning just because I can.

_It's all about me.

[Egnever]

119. I am with you

I don't buy into the vote because its a D thing either. I also don't buy into the fact that if obama doesn't win its all doom and gloom from here on out. I think Dem's will win this time around no matter what. One look at the turnouts so far should be enough to convince anyone we will have a majority in the Senate and house this go around.

So when it looked like Hillary might win this thing it didn't really concern me. I feel confident in our ability to gain strong majorities in the house and senate and it will be enough to keep us from any disasters john mcsame will try to foist on us. I would have easily left that top spot blank and voted dem all the way down ticket and will do so should she steal this thing.

My reasons are much different than yours though I am truly bothered by the IWR vote and the cluster bomb vote and the flag burning and the kyle lieberman crap. At this point I also don't like her but were it not for her votes i would easily vote for her come november.

Its your vote and you should absolutely cast it how you feel it will make your voice heard the loudest. If in the end you decide that going none of the above or even voting for mcsame works out best for you then I say do it.

Your vote should not be influenced by badgering or getting on bandwagons it should reflect what you believe and if you believe the danger of obama being an empty suit is greater than the danger of mcsame winning then I am all for your vote reflecting that.

Party loyalty is for suckers.

[bowens43]

8. So you would rather have McCain? Then why not vote for him?

Your post is dishonest.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

9. How does not voting help anything?

I do not understand this mentality at all. Especially after the 2000 election.

[JVS]

11. Obama has more experience in elected office than Hillary.

And she was unable to win despite having a very popular former pres shilling for her constantly. What an electoral failure.

[melody]

32. If you don't vote for the Democrat, you ARE voting for McCain

It's that simple -- that's one more vote on the GOP side you WON'T cancel out. So thank you in advance for the loss of legal abortion, the further destruction of our economy and everything else that will happen BECAUSE OF your inaction. YOU will be as responsible for it as the GOP.

Now, what's more important? The future of our country or that you pout in the corner because you're not getting your way?

[Lerkfish]

39. we're supposed to let them pout in the corner and start treating them nicer, as they vote for McCain

at least, that's my understanding.

[Beacool]

40. I don't owe the party a blessed thing.

Quite the contrary, I have given plenty of money and volunteered many days for quite a few candidates over the years. But, enough is enough!!

The party's leadership's behavior toward the Clintons is a disgrace and they can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

[Lerkfish]

43. I'm confused, then, as why you're still here

and why you're not under a granite cookie?

:shrug:

[Beacool]

45. Why?

Is this a democratic board or not? Dissension is good for any party. The nominee still has not officially been chosen.

[Lerkfish]

47. wow. the irony

[melody]

48. If you're not supporting the Democratic ticket, you're not a Democrat

You're just a non-voter. You just said the party could "go to hell". So why are you here?

[Beacool]

63. Because I will be voting for my senator (Lautenberg)

and the rest of the local Dems. on the ticket. The DNC is one thing and the state and local party is another thing altogether.

[melody]

76. If you do not vote for the Democrat for President, you might as well vote for the Republican

That is what you are -- a Republican. You might as well go over and declare yourself because you'll be helping
McCain win every bit as much as ANY Republican casting a vote. You will have become a Republican.

If my nephew dies in Iraq, it's on you just as much as ANY Republican.

[DemVet]

89. Not to mention all the Democrats supporting Obama that voted for the war.

[melody]

105. You are beacool, so I'd appreciate your using the one ID

You have three others but you use this one to make fun of our dumbest founding father who only has a place in history because his cousin John kept cleaning up after him.

If you don't understand the inequity of that statement (and the either/or simple-mindedness of it), then there's no point having further discussions with you. HILLARY voted for the war. I can forgive that. McCain is supporting and coddling the war -- and the sociopaths behind it. That is the degree of difference.

[melody]

46. Then you will have the blood on your hands from the destruction of our country

I will blame the Hillaryites who refuse to back the ticket every bit as much as I do the GOP voters.

My candidate was Edwards, but the party decided differently. I'm smart enough to know that ANY Democrat is better than the best Republican. If your hurt widdle feewings are more important than your family's future, then by all means go to hell yourself and stay there. We don't need you.

[Beacool]

64. Oh, please!!!

So much drama! The country has survived so far, and it will continue to survive no matter who gets into office. Granted that I would much prefer a Democrat, just not Obama.

[melody]

75. Damned right drama -- if my nephew goes back to Iraq for a 5th time and dies, it's ON YOU

You're running around pouting because your little sweetie pie princess isn't getting the nomination and you accuse ME of
drama?

I refuse to believe you are a Democrat -- no Democrat could be this childish and divisive.

[DemVet]

90. That's just ridiculous.

Why doesn't your nephew get out of the service?

[melody]

100. I can't believe I'm reading this on DU

My nephew gave his word -- something he values, unlike Hillary Clinton.

[IsItJustMe]

87. It's all about you, Isn't it? There are some things much bigger than our egos.

[PoliticalAmazon]

93. I disagree.. It's Obama's job to win our votes. If someone doesn't vote for Obama...

it doesn't mean they are "voting for McCain." It simply means they aren't voting for Obama.

No one OWES Obama, or any candidate, their vote.

I also don't think it is productive to say things like that. To me it appears as pretty transparent guilt-tripping, and I think, if anything, it's just going to piss off the Hillary supporters.

We really do need their votes in NOvember. I don't think Obama can win it without them.

I think Obama knows his job is to win over the Hillary supporters, and I am confident he can do the job. Let's not make his job harder by pissing them off before he gets a chance to win them over.

[melody]

103. Well, I'll put it this way, if these non-voters in November are happy seeing the US go to hell

Just because their little darling didn't get her way and we didn't all just capitulate to the coronation, then they owe themselves an education in the way the real world works. That pouting stuff may have worked with Daddy but we're dealing with sociopaths who don't care that their widdow feewings are hurt. They'll starve their children right along with the rest.

[PoliticalAmazon]

110. Again, it's Obama's (and our) job to win them over. Demeaning them does not help. n/t

[melody]

115. It's their jobs as thinking people to realize how dangerous a situation we're in

I was an Edwards supporter -- I'm only backing Obama because the alternative is unthinkable.

[PoliticalAmazon]

118. I was an Edwards supporter, too, but now I think it's probably better...

Edwards didn't do better in the primary. I think Obama will bring about change; don't know if Edwards could or would have done that.

[VolcanoJen]

42. I'm always just taken aback when I read posts like this.

I liked Hillary a lot more in January than I do now in May. I absolutely feel with every core of my being that Obama would make a much better President, and that he is the right person for this unique moment in history.

But were she to become the nominee, I would not hesitate to work for her, I would not hesitate to attempt to convince others to vote for her, and I would not hesitate to vote for her myself. This election isn't about me, it isn't about my personal preference. It's about this nation, and its future.

The stubbornness of some (and I think it's really a tiny number) Hillary voters is staggering to me.

[usrbs]

60. If you're in a swing state, you should remember year 2000, and vote for Obama

Your obligation as an American is to vote for the least harmful candidate, and you have to admit that BO's beliefs and actions are far closer to HRC than McCain's.

So that means that if you're in a swing state, you have to actually vote for the Democratic candidate. (You get a pass if your vote won't matter).

Look, I'm pretty bitter myself, and I'm expressing it by stopping my donations to DNC, Buzzflash, MoveOn, and a few other blogs that have not been fair. (I haven't donated to the DSCC or the DSSC for years ever since it became clear that impeachment or even plain integrity was not going to happen.)

But I will continue the political fight nonetheless and help Democrats downstream. Because it's not about me and it's not about Hillary. It's about trying to improve this planet, and unfortunately, for now, that means going with the Democratic party. And if it's really hard for you, just think back to 2000 and to Nader's statement that the Democrats and Republicans are the same. No matter how bad Obama a president Obama turns out to be*, he'll still be better than McCain.

* I don't know if he'll be a bad president, nobody at this stage can have any idea how he'll be.

[AZBlue]

96. No vote for Obama = a vote for McCain.

It's exactly the same thing. If you can live with yourself for that....

[Texas Hill Country]

6. I dont HAVE to vote for anyone?

[Avalux]

10. OK - I changed HAVE to SHOULD.

Maybe now you'll read the post and give me an opinion instead of just reacting.

[BlooInBloo]

13. Awww. Killjoy.

:P

[Avalux]

15. ...

I really was hoping for discussion; not every post saying "don't tell me what to do". ;-)

[AZBlue]

97. Not if you don't mind President McCain.

[BlooInBloo]

7. Heh. This thread isn't gonna go over well. It'll be funny to watch tho.

[NJmaverick]

12. Well said and on target

[Marrah_G]

14. Of course I will vote for the Nominee

I think very few will actually not vote for him.

Lots of people were saying they would never vote for HIllary in the GE. I don't believe that for a minute either.

People are frustrated, or hurt, or angry and are speaking out from an emotional level.

When it comes down to Nov, the party will be united with the exception of a few stubborn folks that are unable to get past their own egos.

[Avalux]

16. I agree.

I would have voted for Hillary, even though in moments of frustration I said I wouldn't. I always remember our kids that may be forced to go to war.

[BlooInBloo]

17. Perhaps this is something sober Clinton supporters could/should help with...

... Since the I'm-not-voting-for-Obama crowd clearly won't listen to Obama supporters.

[Marrah_G]

18. I say it as often as I can

But Du is DU and you can't really force someone to think the way you do. All I can do is to say it over and over.

A McCain Presidency is scary as hell and in my opinion the WORST case scenario for Obama is that he is medicocre and doesn't really accomplish much.

AT this point just having someone not making things worse would be an improvement.

[BlooInBloo]

19. :) I hear you.

[Beacool]

44. Mediocre and not accomplish anything

is enough reason not to vote for the rookie.

Just saying.......

[Marrah_G]

50. When the choice is McCain, it sure is enough of a reason

[Lerkfish]

57. Marrah, I'm so sorry.

its becoming apparent some people were just pretending to be democrats here, and that unfortunately might confuse people into thinking ALL clinton supporters are that way.

[Marrah_G]

58. I have to agree with that

They've had pretenders playing on both sides making sure we get more and more divided as the weeks go on. I would bet 99.95 percent of Democrats will vote for the Dem in November.

[TBF]

49. I agree, Marrah. Emotions are high, and people are lashing out.

But in November, after months of republicans trashing our nominee, we will all vote democrat to take back the country. We've been held hostage by the oil barrens long enough.

[susankh4]

23. I am still open to hearing from all the candidates.

On why I should vote for them. That includes Mr. Obama.

They have til November to convince me.

After what I have endured at the hands of my fellow Dems this season... there is no "must" about it. I will vote my conscience.... as should every voter.

[Avalux]

26. Of course you should.

I decided at the beginning of the primary season that there's no alternative - a Democrat must become president and decided I would vote for the nominee, whomever it happened to be. I have never liked Hillary much and I didn't become an Obama supporter until I attended a town hall meeting and heard him answer questions in person.

My conscience told me we cannot allow a Republican back in the WH. Period.

[BlooInBloo]

28. I think they mean that they're perfectly open to voting for McCain.

[susankh4]

30. Follow your conscience.

And I will mine.

No matter how much we like to think it... nothing is ever so black and white.

[Avalux]

38. The choice between a Democrat and a Republican is in this election.

Good luck.

[xultar]

24. Just a day a go they were called Freepers, trolls, racists,Republicans,&Neo Cons by Obama Supporters

And now after beting targeted for banning and put on a mass ignore list they are being released from those ignore lists as if it were some fucking gift from gawd.

Now all of a sudden they are Democrats? :rofl: WTF changed? :rofl:

[melody]

34. The real Hillary supporters weren't ... the ones attacking the party and acting like the GOP were

I don't think they're real Hillary supporters.

Are you saying you're not going to support the Democratic Party? Then why are you here?

[Avalux]

36. Truth of the matter - some people here do have other motives.

You've been around for a long time; you know this. I am trying to speak to Hillary supporters who might be reluctant but hopefully will vote for Obama.

I would have voted for Hillary - I would have voted for the Democratic nominee, regardless of who it was.

[IsItJustMe]

88. Take heart, most true Hillary supporters will. There are a lot of games that go on here. Any fool

can sign on to a board like this and post stupid shit. DU can easily give you a warped sense of reality sometimes.

[Lerkfish]

41. um, I'm guessing supporting the Democratic nominee made them democrats.

that's a good way to act like one.

[indimuse]

25. My vote has and ALWAYS will be for ...

[Avalux]

27. So you won't vote for the Democratic nominee?

I am sorry to hear that; blind loyalty to one person is folly.

[Lerkfish]

29. consistently, that seems to be the answer, and its ironic

because as many of us will recall, back when they thought Clinton was the inevitable candidate, they threatened to have many of those who had problems with her candidacy tombstoned, falsely accusing them of what THEY are doing now: threatening to vote or work AGAINST the nominee.

funny, eh?

who'da thunk?

sure, this might be just their emotions talkin. but it is an AWFULLY large number of emotional people all making the same threat, and it's in large part the SAME people who felt this would be a traitor move if their candidate won.

bizarre, and disturbing.

[indimuse]

52. Hillary is will be the Nom!

So, yes.

[Lerkfish]

53. "is will be the Nom"?

is that the "oficial" word on that?

[indimuse]

55. it IS what it IS....

[Lerkfish]

56. thanks for stopping the internet!

your little "keeping it real" is large an image to download quickly.

but by the way: "keeping it real" and "hillary is the nominee" is an example of oxymoron.

[JVS]

83. Is won't be!

[WinkyDink]

31. Enough with the trumped-up "worry" and "concern" and outright accusations

that HRC supporters will jump ship.

If anything, I can't see how an Obama supporter could vote for Hillary, were that to be the proposition.

[madmom]

35. I've been saying from the beginning that Obama can't win without Clinton supporters and vise versa,

so we should stop with all the divisiveness, but it went unheard. Now it may be a little to late. Let's hope not for all our sakes!

[LeFleur1]

51. Madness

Look, I get that those who have demeaned Hillary by using sexist terms don't recognize what they've done. I get that they are in denial. Older Women have been through all of that before, and just as you've found on this forum, we (Hillary Democrats...millions and millions of them) sure as hell aren't going to sit back and take it now any more than those women warriors did in years gone by. If that means that McCain wins, maybe it's time for the Democratic party to get its comeuppance. I don't see them stepping up to stop it. I see them piling on, with the exception of Jimmy Carter and Reid, war hero Murtha, and Wesley Clark, and a few more with a conscience. The big tent be damned. We have found out, by the comments on this very forum as well as by the Olberman, Matthews, Cafferty bunch, newspaper's slanted headlines and articles, and bloggers, and just plain Obama supporters on forums, that women are outside the tent and just maybe they'll tear the damn thing down.

The Democratic party can't sit back and win on its laurels. We see perfectly how Hillary has been treated by the party. In the words of
Mrs. Kerry...They Can Shove It.
See, we (feminists, of either gender, and Hillary Supporters) don't like the terms bitch, cunt, woman with testicles, etc. as descriptions of a woman in a political campaign. We don't like the twisting of facts to make a devil out of Senator Clinton, and or Bill Clinton.

Personally, I will read the platform. If I think it is worthy, I will vote Democrat. But I don't think the Democratic party should automatically count on the votes of millions and millions of Hillary supporters who think the Democratic Party has sold them out.
What I need is for Obama to come forward and say:
"I am very sorry that some of my supporters, in their zeal to take Senator Clinton down, have demeaned women and all they have worked for. I am sorry they have demeaned the job Bill Clinton has done, and I am sorry that I, too, have demeaned the things he has done. I ask you not to leave the party because you think this campaign has set back the cause for women, and I caution my supporters to stick to the issues without the name calling."

And don't start whining about racism. The Clintons have done more for minorities than Obama has done, and anyone who doesn't recognize it is probably incapable of surveying the facts.

[Lerkfish]

54. ANOTHER clinton supporter threatening to NOT vote democratic.

not such a myth, then.

[WinkyDink]

59. Really? Consider the source: "If I think it is worthy, I will vote Democrat."

NOT the term a Democrat uses.

[LeFleur1]

113. Okay Winky Dink

Let me correct that to read I WILL VOTE THE DEMOCRATIC TICKET.
I've most likely been a Democrat longer than you've been alive.

[democrattotheend]

71. Obama should not apologize for posters on a message board

If he or his campaign staff used sexist or demeaning language, I could understand not wanting to vote for him. But to judge a candidate by what his supporters on a message board say is ludicrous...none of us are on his payroll, he has no control over us, and I am convinced that some of the candidate partisans on both sides here are freeper trolls.

[dogday]

77. If they do it in his name and he is aware of it, then it would be

totally irresponsible of him not to mention it... And if this is how he inspires others, he will have a problem in the GE.. Me, just point me toward the booth and I will punch my Straight Dem Ticket...

[democrattotheend]

80. So he's going to give a speech saying "I'm sorry for the way my fans on Dem. Underground behave"?

Sounds a little silly to me.

[dogday]

81. No but if his supporters embarrass the shit out of him, you bet

he would come out against it for the record... A speech, no, a denouncement, for sure...

Sounds silly he would let something bad float around when he could correct the record...

[Beacool]

102. Hear, hear!!!!!

For all you have said and for plenty of things you haven't, Obama does not deserve my vote.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

61. As a former Hillary supporter, it's getting harder by the day to like fellow Obama supporters..

Well, actually just the posters on this board.


Threads saying West Virginians are racist, uneducated, low-lifes aren't helping matters.

[Lerkfish]

62. but hillary supporters announcing they'll vote republican is ok?

[dogday]

79. About as ok as it was for Obama supporters to say this... I

hate to bring this up, but it ain't over yet and I keep hearing this thing will be determined by SDs... What happens if there are more SD's voting for Clinton than Obama? Will you vote for Clinton then?

On edit: What if Obama makes Hillary his VP, will you still vote for him?

[Lerkfish]

85. I always vote democratic

but we weren't talking about me, since all the clinton supporters are the ones saying they won't. Nice misdirection

[dogday]

86. And you are just like all of the Clinton and Obama supporters here...

nobody wants to fess up.. Take off your one sided blinders man...You are influenced by the love of your candidate and in your eyes, he and his supporters can do no wrong...

Glad to hear you will vote for the Democrat, even if it was Hillary, which I don't believe that will happen... I feel Obama has this one in the bag, but that doesn't diminish the truth and the truth is BOTH CAMPAIGNS are guilty of saying they would not vote for the other candidate....

No misdirection, only the facts as I see them.

Since neither candidate had the Iraq plan I could get behind, neither is my candidate, however I will vote Straight Democratic Ticket...

[Lerkfish]

95. you make it sound as if I am lying, I have not done so.

if you want to paint me personally with a very broad brush, whatever.

I've always said I would vote the nominee. I just hoped and prayed it wouldn't be hillary.

[dogday]

107. I don't believe it is you, but all supporters on both sides of this campaign

I believe you will vote for the nominee and we need more people stepping forward now and saying as much....

[OzarkDem]

65. Why does he need my vote?

According to all of you, he is the undefeatable, all powerful Messiah.

You don't need my vote.

[lumberjack_jeff]

66. They do.

Idiots are generally not selective. If they're dumb enough to call the Clintons racist, they're dumb enough to think that 25% of the voters is a mandate. I'm convinced that Obama has the potential and the skills to be one of our better presidents.

What he needs is better policy and better supporters. If he "closes the deal" I can help with the latter while encouraging the former.

[democrattotheend]

72. Having volunteered for his campaign in several states, I can assure you that Obama supporters

offline are a lot more normal. Sure, there is some resentment towards Hillary, but nothing like what you see on this forum.

Have you taken a look at some of the policies on his website? If you have not already, check out the technology section. Seems like a minor thing, but his ideas for utilizing the web to engage citizens and keep them active after the election are really creative and really go to the heart of what he's about as a candidate.

[Avalux]

67. I don't think you can find an instance where I called him an all-powerful Messiah.

Of course we need your vote, just like Hillary would need my vote if she were the nominee.

[democrattotheend]

69. Not all of us

I am an Obama supporter but I recognize that getting him elected is not going to be a cake walk. We need all the votes we can get, especially yours (since you live in Ohio). And for the record, I have encouraged fellow Obama supporters to be nice to you many times. But I don't think you should base your vote on people on a message board. There are a lot of kooks here and I am convinced some people are freeper trolls (I'm in the process of trying to out one suspected troll).

[Name removed]

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[Lilith Velkor]

68. The same media that was so wrong about the war is pushing the Obama good/Clinton bad meme HARD

I didn't trust them then, and don't trust them now. Something just ain't right.

I'd be ecstatic if my intuition were proven baseless. It would be a joyful first time.

[democrattotheend]

70. Right, because Obama got such glowing coverage in March and April

There was a time when you could argue that the media gave Clinton tougher treatment than Obama, but I don't see how you can make that case anymore. They certainly spent a lot more time covering Reverend Wright than they did on Snipergate.

[VotesForWomen]

73. a lot of us vote for principle, not party, and frankly, O hasn't really distinguished himself by doi

doing anything about the war.

[Avalux]

74. So what's your plan?

Will you vote in the GE and if not for Obama, for McCain? As a Democrat, I vote for principle as well. There are very stark difference between the two parties.

[rodeodance]

82. as a Democrat its none of your business

[Blondbostonian]

91. Rodeodance, just admit you will be voting for McCain when your girl loses.

The truth will set you free.

[JVS]

84. How is Hillary Clinton some kind of principle? She doesn't stand for anything but self-promotion.

It's like claiming that Joe Isuzu supporters are bound to him by prinicple.

I could understand this stuff coming from Kucinich supporters, but Hillary fans? :rofl:

[Rene]

94. Hillary gets my vote...as the Dem candidate...or as a write-in

I'll never vote for obama. There's no substance to the man. Any sheeple following him are going right off a cliff to chaos and confusion.

[Avalux]

98. Oh my.

I can't really say much else to someone who is so hopelessly misguided.

[dorktv]

101. Again with the "JUMP ON BOARD THIS FUCKING MINUTE!!!"

Good gawd people, give it some time. Sheesh

[TexasObserver]

108. Hillary has been out of step with DU on the war the whole time.

Even when she finally started moving the direction of the other candidates six months or so ago, she refused to admit her failures and acknowledge she was duped and stayed duped for years.

For the past 16 months, the Hillary supporters at DU have been at war with everyone else here. I watched it for a year as a lurker. Now that Hillary's loss is assured, the Hillary support group that has been so prevalent the past 16 months is in its death throes. My sense is that most are not Democrats so much as Hillary fans. There is a disaffection from the party commitments many of us have. It's as if the party only exists to serve the Clintons.

Soon enough, this race will be over, and many of the alleged Clinton supporters will have to declare support for the ticket or at least stop posting all the hate directed at our nominee.

Hillary has not had any progressive support in America for a long, long time. She has worked to reach other demographics, and shunned progressives. It's not surprising that she has been almost universally rejected by DU.

[LeFleur1]

114. Hillary Has Not Had Progressive Support

That's interesting. Why would that be?
How could that be justified? Her voting record is as liberal as Obama's. Or aren't you considering her long voting record in the Senate? Obama could have voted to not fund the war one of the many times he voted to fund it. He could have used his unifying skills to go around the Senate and get the Senators to vote not to fund the war, but to bring our troops home instead. He did not do that. He voted to continue the war. Why should we all pretend that he was/is against the Iraq debacle now? She has worked for the rights of workers, her constituents, the environment, and civil rights. She has asked the Pentagon for their plan to bring the troops home. Why wouldn't progressives support her?

[Beacool]

116. Hillary's support group is not "in its death throes".

They simply have moved to friendlier boards where they won't get bashed continuously by the Obama camp. Only a few of us remain here and there will be less of us once the nominee is officially designated. Then you can continue your love fest and try to elect your guy without thousands of her supporters.