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rolleitreks (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 08:58 AM Original message |
NYT Op Ed declares Obama Apostate Muslim |
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noel711 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
1. Yawn....that beaten horse died months ago..... |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
2. under only the most radical interpretaton of Islam would that be so |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
76. no, this is typical. If your father is muslim, you are a muslim. if you become a xian, then you |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #76 |
86. bullshit |
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chascarrillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
3. The old grey mare ain't what she used to be. |
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DLnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
52. Yes, I am wondering how much the RNC paid the New York Pimps to |
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lisa58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
4. This should actually go over well for him... |
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DangerousRhythm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. You know... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #4 |
23. That's actually a fair argument to make right back at them. |
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LTR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
5. Obama's paternal grandfather was a Christian who converted to Islam |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
68. Muslim - Christian relations are different in Africa. Both were introduced relatively recently |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
6. so now he's not Muslim enough? that's a new one. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
7. One more case of concrete proof |
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islandmkl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
8. ...and he is black, too.... |
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Frances (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
9. The author says that someone who leaves his |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. This works like Judaism (or Monty Python, for that matter). |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
10. Then I guess all of that Wright stuff was just a joke. |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
42. No, it confirms the premise of the Op-ed. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
11. The article's author |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
13. What is the NYTimes doing publishing this garbage? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
14. I see a lot of abuse heaped on the author of the op-ed, but I see little |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Ah yes, the originator of the phrase "Give War A Chance" NICE! |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. FYI to all, the article from "Foreign Affairs"... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
48. I've now read this entire article and, while the author is pretty cynical, you have to admit... |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
39. No, calling him an apostate. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. dunno about the author, but the article is agitprop |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:26 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. And the article, of course, says exactly *NOTHING* about the author's feelings on that issue. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I disagree; even the headline is inflammatory |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Inflamation is apparently in the eye of the beholder. (NT) |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. So where's Hillary's burqa? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. You seem to be arguing from the perspective that you think I think Islam makes sense. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
51. There is nothing in his biography to suggest that he is a scholar on any |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
73. You're welcome! |
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eek MD (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
78. What ever happened to freedom of religion? |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
83. Having lived many years in Islamic countries, having employed hundreds of Muslim employees, having |
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Erin Elizabeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
17. Man, they're really stretching HARD on that, aren't they? |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
40. How is it a stretch? Islam does not care about free will. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
19. CSIS is a hawkish foreign policy "think tank" with very strong ties to the MIC. |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
21. Hmm, no profile |
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Galway girl (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
22. In that case Hama's should not have endorsed him |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
69. Actually, some Christian groups in the ME are big supporters of Hamas and Hezbollah |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #69 |
100. Christians have even been Hezbollah suicide bombers n/t |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
25. Worse than murder, with connotations of rebellion and treason! |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
71. Why didn't the NYT allow an article to say this about Bush or Cheney? |
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amb123 (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
26. Once a Muslim, Always a Muslim. BS! |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
41. You should take that up with the Imams. |
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ImpeechBush (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
56. If that is Sharia, you are simply showing disrespect to Muslims |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
28. Ouch |
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panAmerican (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
29. What ABSOLUTE DRIVEL!!! "Conversion to" Christianity wrongly implies he used to be Muslim |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. Media contortions? Islamic law is Islamic law. |
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demokatgurrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
31. Whaddaya mean, "declares"? |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
32. We're all apostates from the Catholic church. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. And I am apostate from my Mennonite background |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Yeah, but Mennonites aren't known for choping peoples' heads off so you're safe! (NT) |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. The difference is the Pope won't issue a fatwa for your death. |
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galledgoblin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. dude, what the hell? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
72. But you can STILL be saved after your death by being posthumously baptized LDS. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
84. I checked that one... |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
35. Luttwack... A good Reaganian... |
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whistler162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
38. On page 3 or so of the comments..... |
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NotThisTime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
45. Under this antiquated law most of us are muslims if we trace our lineage |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
46. Last time I checked we don't live under or recognize "Muslim law". |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Our country doesn't but many countries in the world do. |
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ImpeechBush (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. As do hundreds of millions of individual Muslims |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. This is bullshit. People have a right to self determination. End of story. |
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ImpeechBush (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. So your position is that Sharia is bullshit. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Well, Obama is running for President of the USA. So why is this supposed to be an issue? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Because, as has been pointed out *MORE THAN ONCE*, it could impede... |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Have you ever stopped to wonder just how the same people would view a woman head of state? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Don't be (stupidly) insulating. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Then you have no point and might as well support McCain. Your fear mongering is noted. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #75 |
89. I don't want you to "be afraid" at all; don't project your fears (or your candidate's fears) |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #70 |
87. Then we're buggered either way |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. I don't know if we're buggered, but it's clear that dealing with Islamic nutcases... |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #59 |
74. Hillary CANNOT be allowed to acend to the Presidency then. RTFS!!!! |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Not in many pretty-commonly accepted religions. (NT) |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
50. This is ridiculous - |
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ImpeechBush (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. This is a question of fact, not what some friends somewhere said |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #55 |
79. The examples given here all relate to people who were |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
53. I think that's relevant... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
65. We're not (following Koranic law), at least, not yet, but many of the states... |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
77. Ergo, Hillary cannot be president because a woman cannot rule over man in Sharia law. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #65 |
92. Call me crazy, but... |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
57. I read that this morning... what a car wreck... |
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Arrowhead2k1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
60. Why does this silly garbage, |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
61. New York Times board of directors are Satan worshipers. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #61 |
88. Thanks a bunch |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
67. Muslims and native born Christians in Islamic nations have excellent relations. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
80. The author is a neocon's neocon |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #80 |
91. Gee... |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. Whiz |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 06:56 AM Response to Reply #96 |
107. You actually made one of my frequent points ( ;-) ) |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
81. If he doesn't call himself a Muslim... |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
82. i have some particular insight to this as a jew with an adopted brother |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #82 |
93. You know, I almost mentioned this exact sort of circumstance earlier. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 08:40 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. apparently no one seems bothered by my response. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 06:42 AM Response to Reply #95 |
104. You probably should have put this in your headline |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #104 |
112. ah, i'll learn one of these days! |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
85. Bullshit |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
94. That fat POS Sulzburger is shitting green nickles cuz his ringer got pwned. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
97. This should surprise no one who has read my three part "The Press v. Obama" journal. |
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Patsy Stone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
98. Crazy people should not write Op-Eds for the NYT |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
99. Good. If he is considered a muslim apostate then the Hillarybillies should love him. |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
101. Did Hillary sign her full name to this or just her initials? |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
102. So Obama is hated by Islam? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 06:47 AM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Certain sects of Islam, quite possibly. |
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judasdisney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
103. Anyone left who will defend the NYT? For any reason, ever? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 06:50 AM Response to Reply #103 |
106. I've been implicitly defending the Times throughout this thread. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:12 AM Response to Original message |
108. Crazy. His mother was a secular humanist. I guess that doesn't count. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
109. It should have nothing to do with the race |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:15 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Of course there is one problem. Obama's father left when he |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 07:32 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. To clarify: |
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