What I don't understand

[Madam Mossfern]

from the snippet I heard from Hillary today is that her argument is that if she is not the democratic nominee, that republicans will win in certain states. Is she assuming that democrats would rather vote for a republican if the democratic candidate is not her? Somehow I get the feeling that she is almost pushing the concept and 'forgiving' democrats for not voting their party.

[anonymous171]

1. She thinks all of her supporters are voting for her because they are racist.

I don't know why she thinks that. Hillary supporters are generally good people. Then again, what group won't Hillary throw under the bus in order to generate a new talking point?

[murielm99]

3. How do you know she thinks that?

Did she tell you?

[anonymous171]

8. Does she say "I have more appeal to the white working class?"

Or does she say "Obama can't get their votes"

[murielm99]

16. How is it racist when the polls show that it is true, and it is

what is happening?

A long time ago, I watched a Murphy Brown episode where Murphy got a new boss. The new boss was black. Every time the liberals in her office mentioned that he was black, they whispered the word "black." You guys remind me of that episode. Mention race, black or white, and someone is playing the race card. Do you think the republicans are not going to mention it? Grow up.

[anonymous171]

18. It's about framing, not statistics. Both could be true.

She's playing on fears about a race-mixer becoming president.

[walldude]

12. Yup every time she mentions "white, hard working people"

Many on DU have been using that quote to claim she is racist. I don't believe she is, but I believe she pandering to voters who may be racist. If it's not true then why include the word "white" in her statement. Why not just call them hard working "Americans". She is plainly pandering to the fear that America won't vote for a black President.

[MonkeyFunk]

2. She's not assuming it

the polls show it to be the case. She does better against McCain than Obama does.

[baldguy]

4. Except in most polls where she doesn't

[Madam Mossfern]

6. But....if she is not the nominee, won't

the dems vote democratic anyway? I always found those polls silly. I would assume that the party would unite around the candidate, no matter who it is.

[MonkeyFunk]

23. Not all of them, no

a lot of voters switch back and forth based on personalities, not party.

[rock]

5. It's the difference in a general election and the primaries

The demographics are different. You have to pull from the other side and not push from your own side.

On edit: I'm the worst speller on DU.

[baldguy]

7. She's admitting that her supporters are more likely to vote for McCain than Obama.

That speaks volumes.

[Madam Mossfern]

11. That's so sad

for our country.

[PoliticalAmazon]

9. VERY good observation. I didn't catch that. I think you're correct. n/t

[donheld]

10. If Hillary thinks we're going to lose those states

is she ready to work to see that we win those states? Regardless of who the nominee is.

[bluetrain]

13. Do you have no understanding of math? She's right. Obama's

bases consist only of urban areas and bloggers. He has failed to win over over half over of the Democratic party. A candidate cannot win the General election as a Democrat without including the the Democratic base which includes Seniors, Women, "The Working Class", Asians, etc. Clinton has that base. Obama pulls nothing but bloggers and the AA vote. He has failed to win over the Democratic party as a whole and to nominate him would be to surrender the presidency to McCain.

[anonymous171]

14. Hillary has failed to win over half of the party. Obama is ahead. He now wins CA.

[Madam Mossfern]

15. So you are saying

that her base would rather vote for McCain than Obama? I think there are larger issues at hand...ie SCOTUS. If she is not the nominee, wouldn't we expect her to work her base to support the democratic candidate?

[bluetrain]

21. There are poll results elswhere here which prove how many Clinton supporters will vote McCain,

sit it out or write Clinton in. This website is not representative of reality. Women make up 55% of the voting bloc.
Obama has made it clear with his near Roberts vote and his abysmal record with the IL senate, etc. that he has no interest in the female vote nor the gay vote....nor the vote of his own grandmother.

[anonymous171]

22. Reagan Democrats aren't fond of gays either.

[asjr]

24. She has stated she will support the nominee.

Everyone keeps putting words into her mouth when actually she had been quoting news articles and others. And all the Clinton haters jump right on to it even though it is out in left field. There is no way she would say her "base" will support McCain. No one but dumb bunny Republicans will support John McCain. We are not all suicidal!

[Exilednight]

17. There's one poll out there that Hillary keeps pointing to, but the other four polls show .......

that Obama beats McCain fairly easily. I don't care if he wins the White House with 272 EVs, or 320 EVs, as long as he wins.


Here's something that the polls do not know. They do not know what voter turnout will be like. Typically, a poll is taken and then someone calculates a percentage trend up or down based off of the primary vote vs the last Presidential election cycle. There is no way to honestly do that for this election. To say that X amount of any voter bloc will turnout the vote is next to impossible to tell.

In some state primaries we have seen as much as three times the turnout over our most recent primaries, and the demographics are very skewed over past primary cycles.

The African-American turnout is off the chart, while white men are down, and women (this one kind of surprises me) is only up slightly. Seniors have remained steady, but the under 30 vote is through the roof, and people in the middle (30-50ish) is up slightly.

This is what throws polling out of whack, and any poll you read now is hyperbole, and will be worthless come the GE.

[anonymous171]

19. ^^^^Truth

[DogPoundPup]

20. How many times must this be repeated? She is running as a

REPUBLICAN on the dem ticket! She has actually campaigned FOR

[RC]

25. It's like 9/11. No one want to believe the real truth.

People can post all the pictures and news sources they can find of Hillary hob-nobbing with the right-wing elite and they will blow it off or make excuses for what their lying eyes see and their lying ears hear.