So, why really, is Clinton still campaigning?

[Onlooker]

I could certainly understand if she decided to suspend her campaign and hold onto her delegates. But, at this point, she must know that her chances won't be affected by her campaign. Win or lose the next states, it won't matter. Her only chance of becoming the nominee is if Obama is caught in flagrante with Chelsea (or Bill) , and Hillary gets a massive sympathy vote from superdelegates. So, why is she campaigning? My guess is she wans to finish on a high note, and will suspend her campaign after West Virginia. Otherwise, it's awfully hard to figure out her motive.

[davidinalameda]

1. she can campaign all she wants to in WV

as long as she spends some of that money she just gave to her campaign there

[WillyToad]

40. Because it would look REALLY bad if Obama lost states to someone who is no longer running

Which is what would happen

[Clear Blue Sky]

49. True.

It didn't look good for McCain when he won slim majorities in states where he had no real competition.

But that assumes Hillary is staying in for the benefit of helping Obama, which I doubt.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

2. 'The Huckabee Effect'

[TBF]

67. That's exactly what I was thinking - what else does she have to do.

Perhaps she and Huckabee should team up and take their show on the road.

[TwilightGardener]

3. She doesn't want to finish on a high note. She's telling lower-class whites that they

aren't expected to vote for Obama when there's a white person in the race--either her or John McCain. She wants them to vote for McCain in the fall.

[madfloridian]

7. If were in KY or WV I would not like how she is portraying the voters there.

I would be angry that she would use that tactic. She appears to be painting with broad brush, a very undeserved portrait of many voters.

[TwilightGardener]

26. Sadly, the polls show that her comments are being borne out. She's just

reinforcing the trend.

[backscatter712]

4. Hillary 2012 - that's why.

[frickaline]

16. History has not looked kindly on democrats with failed presidential bids

We tend to discard them as damaged goods. If we go by history, she has no 2012 bid.

[gorekerrydreamticket]

72. I can't imagine the money coming in for her in 2012 after she mismanaged this

campaign so badly...

[dchill]

18. That's probably more true than most of us realize...

The problem for her is that every one of us will remember what she is doing today four years from now.

[backscatter712]

28. Oh, yeah, I won't forget, or forgive...

[DJ13]

5. At this point her only intent is to create an unreconcilable division

...between her supporters and Obama so he loses in the GE.

Theres no other rational explanation.

And no, Clinton supporters, if she suspended her campaign today the upcoming primaries would still take place with her on the ballot, so she would still be allowing "the voters to be heard".

:eyes:

[scarletwoman]

6. Because if she can't have the Dem presidency, then no one can. It's spite, imho.

It's the same kind of thing that drives boyfriends to kill their girlfriends when the woman wants to get out of the relationship.

sw

[ORDem]

8. I'm very afraid that you may be right. That is such a godawful thought , though that I don't want to

go there. To put her own selfish ambition above stopping the slaughtering of our troops and Iraqi and Afghani civilians. To risk the overturn of Roe v. Wade, etc., etc. just so she can run in '12. Some pundit needs to call her on this shit right now.

:spank:

[scarletwoman]

23. Yes, it's a "godawful thought", and I'd rather be able to think of a different reason.

But all I see is single-minded ambition.

sw

[dchill]

30. Yet we have seen no evidence to the contrary...

We should believe what our eyes and ears are seeing and hearing. Not to mention what our noses are smelling...
:shrug:

[dansolo]

47. I don't think it is about 2012 anymore

She has burned far too many bridges. It really seems personal right now. She wants to do as much damage to Obama as she can.

[cliffordu]

10. Or, in my Aunt Sally's case what drove her to kill her second husband....

She was cooking his eggs one morning and he told her he was leaving her. Aunt Sally snapped and killed him with a skillet.

[scarletwoman]

24. Except in your Aunt Sally's case, I can't help but sympathize with her just a little bit.

I have no such sympathy for those who would rule over me.

sw

[Freedom Train]

12. That's a bullshit opinion

that only Republicans or otherwise severely delusional people will espouse.

[scarletwoman]

20. Opinions are just opinions, everybody has 'em. Facts are "bullshit" or not -- opinions are just

opinions.

In my opinion, Clinton supporters are delusional.

Therefore, I obviously disagree with your opinion, but I would never call your opinion "bullshit" -- because it IS, after all, your real opinion, not a fake opinion.

;)
sw

[Freedom Train]

22. Republicans said the same about her in 2004,

when both her and Bill Clinton (right after heart surgery, I might add) campaigned extensively for Kerry. It wasn't any truer then.

[scarletwoman]

27. You know, I've about run out of patience with people who don't seem to have any political memory

longer than 4 or 8 years ago.

I'm an old lady who was 14 years old when JFK was assassinated. I've been paying attention ever since.

Bill Clinton did a few small cool things, but he enabled a whole lot of bigger bad things. One of the bigger bad things we got out of the Clinton presidency was the cancer of the DLC infecting the Democratic party.

It was the DLC that pushed that odious toad Joe Lieberman on Al Gore in 2000. I've been on this board for 7 years saying that the Democratic party has to get RID of the DLC.

I would NEVER vote for a Clinton again, period.

sw

[Freedom Train]

32. And this has exactly what to do with the unsubstantiated opinion

that Hillary does not want a Democratic win this year, and didn't want it in 2004? Also, what would you know about how far back my "political memory" goes?

I'll take even a DLC Democrat over a Republican, but you will obviously be enabling McCain if Hillary gets the nomination. Great way of paying attention, lady.

[scarletwoman]

35. Okay, I will "substantiate" my opinion: I hereby do affirm and attest that that which I have

previously referred to as being my opinion, is indeed, my opinion.

Sworn on this 10th day of May, 2008.
sw

[Freedom Train]

39. Getting a little cranky there I believe.

You'll note that I didn't call you old.

Also, if DLC hate is your thing, then Obama is out too. It's off to vote Green for you.

[Zodiak]

54. Obama is not DLC

He repudiated them and had them remove his name from their website when they tried to claim credit for him.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html

Another DLC hater here who does his homework.

[scarletwoman]

58. Thanks for answering that post -- since I was liable to just say something cranky.

:D

sw

[Freedom Train]

62. I didn't say he "is" DLC. But he has DLC ties.

Deal with it.

And the DLC will strongly support him if he is nominated. An anti-DLC candidate he is not.

[Zodiak]

64. Schumer has DLC ties

Because he gives speeches at their events and takes money from DLC to go on trips.

Can you show similar ties to the DLC with Obama, or is the endorsement of just a few DLC senators enough to call "ties"?

I didn't say he was the "anti-DLC" candidate. I said he is not DLC, as in takes no money from them, does not endorse their positions, doesn't give speeches for them, doesn't involve himself in their policy decisions, and doesn't marginalize progressives.

[Freedom Train]

70. Ahem

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/01/fords_next_move.html

Even Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) has expressed interest in "find ways he could work with the DLC," according to Ford. (Ford describes Obama as a "personal friend" and says they talk regularly.)

And you know exactly why the DLC would endorse Obama, right? He fits the DLC mold perfectly, he's just the kind of Unity & Bipartisanship candidate they've been clamoring for. Supporting Obama equals supporting the DLC. And since it's the same with Hillary, I guess we can take this little point off the list of reasons as to why one candidate would be better than the other. Hillary or Obama - same thing as far as the DLC is concerned.

[Zodiak]

71. He also wants to work with Republicans and progressives

I'm sorry, but that quote from Ford does not prove ties to the DLC.

And the DLC did not endorse Obama...that would be illegal. You do know that the DLC cannot endorse any candidate, right?

But if metrics are what you want, Clinton is endorsed by 10 DLC senators (including herself). Obama....five.

[reflection]

66. Nice logo!

I bet Geddy Lee would be proud. :)

[annie1]

56. everyone knows that whoever wins the nom wins the presidency.

[Freedom Train]

9. Because she still has a shot at winning

And as the fighter she is, she's not giving up prematurely. Especially not when Obama is on the verge of getting absolutely creamed in WV and KY.

[cliffordu]

11. She has a shot at winning like I have a shot at going back to

VietNam.

Bullshit. She's TOAST.

[Freedom Train]

13. Yeah I hear those charters ain't so expensive now.

Have a nice trip! :hi:

[cliffordu]

15. I'm talking about in the Army.

[Genevieve]

60. No she doesn't. eom

[billyoc]

14. It's not campaigning, it's fundraising. nt

[Telly Savalas]

61. That's my guess.

She's raising money to pay down the debt from her campaign.

Does anybody have a sense of what kind of money she's spending to campaign post-NC and Indiana? If it's not a lot, then it validates this theory.

[VolcanoJen]

17. She wants to be President of West Virginia?

That's all I can come up.

[BlooInBloo]

19. Don't know, don't care. Just beat her.

[Life Long Dem]

21. The reason why Clinton is

bashing Obama, even though she can't win is to keep us divided. It has nothing to do with her winning. She will go to the convention with division as her goal. If she keeps the party divided she can go all the way up as close to the November election with the hope the party doesn't have the time to unite and take McSame. It's not about her winning, it's about taking out Obama, so she can come back in 2012.

We all saw the SDs that went to Clinton very early on. Most of the SDs that didn't go for Clinton early on did so because they really don't prefer her or they would have most likely done the same thing and went with her early on. So the ones left are mostly going to go with Obama for that reason. And that is what we are seeing. Very little have gone to Clinton, and that won't change. She knows the math and knows the SDs, won't do it. That leaves taking out Obama.

[dchill]

33. "...so she can come back in 2012."

There will be no place for her to come back to. The Clinton legacy and the Democratic party will be forever at odds.

[mystieus]

25. Pay off her debt. Donate today @ Hillary.com

[Kahuna]

29. To damage Obama so that she can run in 2012. nt

[invictus]

31. At this point, that would be the only reason for her to continue campaigning. n/t

[dailykoff]

34. Someone left the kook out in the rain.

She's running a right-wing campaign organized and funded by the right wing and they haven't bothered to pull the plug yet. Why should they?

[Ichingcarpenter]

36. Because:

Because

Someone's got to keep up the attacks on Obama after John McCain knocks off at 4:30pm for the Seniors dinner specials at Sizzler?

The campaign provides a good cover to explain why Bill spends so much time in Hotel bars?

She literally can't pronounce the words 'President Obama'"?

Every time she tries to leave she gets pinned down by sniper fire?

Because Rush told her to stay in 'til the end?

[applegrove]

37. I hope you are right. I'd love to see her go out on a high note. I'm a supporter of hers

but even I can see she is near the end.

[TragedyandHope]

38. One reason Huckabee stayed in

was to collect a database of supporters in as many states as possible for a future run.

I'm sure Hillary's campaign is compiling a long list of donors, volunteers and everyone who responded favorably to phone bank calls.

[Catherina]

41. Leverage to force herself onto the ticket

Makes you wonder what she forgot in the White House that's so important.

[Eurobabe]

42. I fear this too. She is a very

manipulative person.

[Catherina]

44. The good news is Pelosi, Kennedy and other heavy hitters nixed that idea

and she burned any bridge she had to it long ago.

[jordi_fanclub]

43. The more direct and shortest answer:

[VotesForWomen]

45. maybe because she's not a quitter, and some people respect that. sorry if that disrupts saint obama'

obama's coronation.

[DangerousRhythm]

46. One word, as I see it... EGO. N/T

[jazzjunkysue]

48. She looks really awful on CNN this morning.I know that's irrelevant.

But this endless campaign is now really starting to show in her face.

[ecdab]

50. If she can get off the topic of skin color she can finish up on a high note

by attacking McCain - by pointing out in clear terms to her supporters what McCain stands for (and set the table for her transition to supporting Obama and getting her supporters to transition to Obama). She can help register Democrats through the end of the primary cycle - the extended nature of this primary season has been uncomfortable for many, but it has produced a ton of registered Democrats that a short primary season may not have.

She needs to go ultra-negative on McCain. Keating 5, unstable temper, 4 more years of Bush, doesn't understand the economy, 100 years in Iraq - and do it all day every day.

Hillary can do more to get Obama elected by staying in the race than by dropping out, she can also do more to hurt him by staying in the race than by dropping out. The question is - what the heck will she do and how will she go about doing it. Much of her future as a leader of the Democratic party will be determined in the next few weeks. Here's hoping she chooses to support the future of the party (though I will be honest and say I have some serious doubts that she will).

[Bensthename]

51. because she is an attention whorenetode.

:puke:

[shadowknows69]

52. 2012

As if she'll win it then. Democrats have long memories.

[THUNDER HANDS]

53. because she has nothing else to do

[workinclasszero]

55. Because she wants Obama to lose the GE

to clear the way for her 2012 run.

[Teaser]

57. to kill time

.

[WeDidIt]

59. She's going for the big wins in WV and KY

in order to jump start fund raising efforts so she can retire her debt.

[Dems to Win]

63. She wants to force herself onto the ticket as VP

[MyNameGoesHere]

65. Why did the 1976 Buccaneers continue to play?

They should have quit. I mean it was Obvious they could not win. And the 1990 patriots should just have stopped and never played another game. Well that is not how Americans do things. See some of us against all odds and all the punditry still believe and hope. These are not just words that we vomit up and think it sounds nice. They really do mean something to some of us. And when it becomes a reality to me, your candidate will gain a supporter with the same beliefs he had for his losing candidate. But if you guys want to throw us away go ahead. It's your loss.

[vi5]

68. Because she's a patriot who loves her country...

..and she wants absolutely nothing more than to selflessly give of herself to make this country and this world a better place. She cares about the democratic party and wants to save it from imploding and then.......hahahahahahahahaha.....just kidding.

[Lilith Velkor]

69. To piss you off.