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anamnua Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:59 AM
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Hill's political obituary?
From Mark Antony's eulogy for Julius Caesar in the Shakespeare play of the same name. For imperial Rome read the USA. For Caesar read Hillary. For Cassius read Dean or maybe Olbermann (who almost literally called for her murder). For the 'envious Casca' read Pelosi. For Brutus read Richardson.

I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him. The evil that men do lives after them. The good is oft interred with their bones. So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus hath told you Caesar was ambitious. If it were so, it was a grievous fault, and grievously hath Caesar answered it……….
When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept. Ambition should be made of sterner stuff………
You all did see that on the Lupercal I thrice presented him a kingly crown -- which he did thrice refuse. Was this ambition?............

I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke. But here I am to speak what I do know. You all did love him once, not without cause. What cause withholds you, then, to mourn for him? Oh, Judgment, thou art fled to brutish beasts, and men have lost their reason. …….
But yesterday the word of Caesar might have stood against the world. Now lies he there and none so poor to do him reverence. Oh masters, if I were disposed to stir your hearts and minds to mutiny and rage, I should do Brutus wrong, and Cassius wrong -- who, you all know, are honourable men…………

If you have tears, prepare to shed them now. You all do know this mantle. I remember the first time ever Caesar put it on. 'Twas on a summer's evening in his tent, that day he overcame the Nervii. Look, in this place ran Cassius' dagger through. See what a rent the envious Casca made. Through this the well-beloved Brutus stabbed, and as he plucked his cursed steel away, mark how the blood of Caesar followed it, as rushing out of doors, to be resolved if Brutus so unkindly knocked, or no. For Brutus, as you know, was Caesar's angel. Judge, oh ye gods, how dearly Caesar loved him. This was the most unkindest cut of all. For when the noble Caesar saw him stab, ingratitude, more strong than traitors' arms, quite vanquished him. Then burst his mighty heart. And in his mantle muffling up his face, even at the base of Pompey's statue, which all the while ran blood, great Caesar fell. Oh, what a fall was there, my countrymen. Then I, and you, and all of us fell down, whilst bloody treason flourished over us. ……..
Now you weep. And I perceive you feel the dint of pity. These are gracious drops. Kind souls, what weep you when you but behold our Caesar's vesture wounded? Look you here. Here is himself, marred, as you see, with traitors……..
They that have done this deed are honourable. What private griefs they have, alas, I know not that made them do it. They are wise and honourable, and will, no doubt, with reasons answer you………
I only speak right on. I tell you that which you yourselves do know. Show you sweet Caesar's wounds………..and bid them speak for me. But were I Brutus, and Brutus Antony, there were an Antony would ruffle up your spirits and put a tongue in every wound of Caesar that should move the stones of Rome to rise and mutiny.


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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:00 AM
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1. Oh good gawd
This is ridiculous on all counts.

Stop the drama, vote Obama. The End.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:38 PM
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16. Let the OP grieve in his own way
I'm sure it must be very dispiriting for Clinton's supporters that she lost. At least he is admitting the reality and not trying to pretend that she still has some hope of winning.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:43 PM
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18. Grieving is best done in private.
And I'm not about to sit back quietly while, in the course of one's grieving, they slander Howard Dean, Keith Olbermann, Bill Richardson, et al.

Of course it's dispiriting to lose. Tell me about it. I'm a Democrat. :-)
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anamnua Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:09 PM
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30. Grieving etc.
I wonder what political payoff (from Obama) was going through Bill 'Brutus' Richardson's mind as he 'as he plucked his cursed steel away' from Hillary's back?
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:11 PM
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31. If you really want to go there, why didn't the Clintons call Richardson a "backstabber"...
... when he actually was running against Clinton?

Methinks thou doth protest too much. :-)
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:56 PM
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41. Did he OWE her something?
"Brutus"... :rofl:

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anamnua Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:39 AM
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43. they slander Howard Dean, Keith Olbermann, Bill Richardson, et al.
They are all 'wise and honourable'.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:42 PM
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24. I like that slogan! Stop The DRAMA!! Vote OBAMA!! n/t
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:55 PM
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28. I like it, too. Cool, Jen. n/t
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:56 PM
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36. 'Rack the vote!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:01 AM
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2. She came, she race-baited, she lost.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:02 AM
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3. that olbermann business- just a tad on the extreme side, no?
Edited on Sat May-10-08 11:09 AM by beezlebum
"almost literally called for her murder?" :wtf:

maybe you should tone that down...that's pretty extreme...or are my pain meds kicking in...forgive me if i missed something...
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anamnua Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:35 PM
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8. Olbermann etc
http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/04/olberman-calls-for-clintons-murder.html
I mentioned the 'envious' Pelosi. Ted Kennedy and Brazile would also fit the bill.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:12 PM
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9. that is PATENTLY ridiculous spin.
some of the most obscure reaching i have seen in this campaign.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:11 PM
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19. ha ha. guess you missed the Obama fan spin. But staying in bubbles do that to a person.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:14 PM
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21. Why would Pelosi be envious? She's the first woman Speaker of the House.
Hillary is a failed presidential candidate.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:36 PM
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22. My God, Hillary people are still grasping at straws. Keith reminded us
this week that he once supported Hillary.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:22 PM
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13. The Weak Always Band together To Take Down The STRONG!
you quote the Perfect examples!
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:40 PM
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17. drop the Ayn Rand and back away slowly
I am interested in politics so that one day I will not have to be interested in politics.

The man at the top of the intellectual pyramid contributes the most to all those below him, but gets nothing except his material payment, receiving no intellectual bonus from others to add to the value of his time. The man at the bottom who, left to himself, would starve in his hopeless ineptitude, contributes nothing to those above him, but receives the bonus of all of their brains. Such is the nature of the ‘competition’ between the strong and the weak of the intellect. Such is the pattern of ‘exploitation’ for which you have damned the strong.

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=objectivism_faq&printer_friendly=1 -Atlas Shrugged (who isn't John Galt?)
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:13 PM
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32. "It's like my mom says, 'The weak are always trying to sabatoge the strong.' "
Tracy Flick in the movie "Election"

:rofl:
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:14 PM
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33. Hillary is weak?! I thought she was a fighter.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:17 PM
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37. Well that explains the Hillaryis44 site.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:02 AM
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4. Huh. I just thought she ran a pretty crappy campaign. Who knew it was so...epic?
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JRicks_GA Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:07 AM
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5. Something is rotten in the state of Denial
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:09 AM
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:13 AM
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7. Poor St. Hillary.

St. Hillary, 1993
Watercolor and gouache over graphite
on illustration board
Published in the New York Times Magazine,
May 23, 1993 (8)


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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:16 PM
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10. Caesar was dictator with an ocean of blood on his hands.
Perhaps, you should rethink your comparison.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:54 PM
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40. As I recall from the recent play at NYC's Public Theatre, Conversations at Tusculum,
Caesar was no longer satisfied with the title of Emporer and was considering having the Senate declare him a God.

Here's the setup: Caesar has been victorious over Pompey, a Roman noble, in a civil war. Pompey's allies — the great orator, writer, and thinker Cicero (Brian Dennehy), Brutus (Aidan Quinn), Cassius (David Strathairn), and Cato — have surrendered to Caesar. Cato has killed himself to avoid Caesar's gloating, but the rest of the men have elected to face the Roman leader's psychological torment.

For example, Cassius' wife (who is Brutus' sister) is sent to Spain by their mercenary mother, Servilia (Maria Tucci), for Caesar's pleasure, to divert him from a bloody war campaign. Strathairn portrays Cassius as soul-crushed yet hoping to cure Rome someday of Caesar's despotism. Brutus weds Cato's young daughter Porcia (Gloria Reuben) to defy Caesar and his mother — and it's defiance you can sniff: Quinn limns a man boiling in fury and awash in patriotism, a stone with facets of irony, tenderness, and political pragmatism. This last quality is salient: Brutus and Cassius visit one last time with Caesar, pleading with him for the Roman good. Their failure to make headway, related in a long Act 2 scene, is what leads them to conspire, history says.

That place is Rome in 45 B.C., and the megalomaniacal, war-mongering man who rules it is Julius Caesar. But Mr. Nelson is clearly inviting you to substitute another name (W), time and place should you choose.

Set in country villas outside of Rome in the months before Caesar’s assassination, “Conversations in Tusculum” imagines the frustrations of fiery senators and warriors reduced to brooding in self-imposed isolation about the endangered civil freedoms of their republic.


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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 05:36 AM
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46. Yes. Definitely rethink it.
This is as inept a comparison as the recent Republican meme about Obama as "The Manchurian Candidate". For goodness sake, people, read the whole play, or watch the whole movie. Brutus is the hero for crying out loud. He doesn't act out of malice toward Caesar, but out of concern that Caesar is about to consolidate his power in ways that will be disastrous to the Republic...

Okay. So it's not an inept comparison after all.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:28 PM
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11. "almost literally"
Edited on Sat May-10-08 02:29 PM by Gore1FL
that translates into "almost actually" = not or did not. Probably "almost actually" what you intended. but not "almost actually" false.

I am "almost actually" not laughing at your language skills...
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:21 PM
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12. ...
:applause:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:23 PM
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14. WTF?? Holy Drama Batman... its the FALL OF ROME !
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:35 PM
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15. K & R
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:12 PM
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20. Thanks for the post.
Edited on Sat May-10-08 04:51 PM by rodeodance
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:40 PM
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23. You're still here? Rodeo. People are looking for you everywhere
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5868372#5869992

Anxiously awaiting a reply in that thread. Post 18 is where the serious questions start.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:54 PM
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27. DU has rules against stalking DU members.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:12 PM
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29. Stalking? Get over yourself. Since when is asking you to clear up up something stalking?
Edited on Sat May-10-08 05:20 PM by Catherina
No one needs to stalk you. You're all over the place except when you're really needed. Go figure.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:18 PM
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38. Awww, don't go drudging up the rules now.
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:44 PM
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25. It ain't over 'til it's over
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anamnua Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:49 AM
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45. 'It ain't over till it's over'
Edited on Sun May-11-08 05:30 AM by anamnua
The OP was inspired by the mental image of the more obnoxious Obamites
gathered around sniggering at Hillary's stabwound-ridden political corpse. Obviously I hope it is a premature obitituary. As Mark Twain said when his happened to him:
'Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated'
Brando monologue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNRoeMvzMVo
Or to use a slightly more modern analogy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqHIPY7lRfE
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:45 PM
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26. Well at least she isn't Catholic...
IIRC.... suicides can't be buried on consecrated ground, even political!
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IowaGirl Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:41 PM
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34. Thank you.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:46 PM
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35. For pro-McCain talk, which is what you really want, go thataway ---------->

freerepublic.com


That's where you'll be more comfortable.
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anamnua Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:33 AM
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42.  This is the standard Obamite response to anything pro-Hillary
I visited Freerepublic once and left in disgust - because of the anti-Hillary vitriol which is even worse than it is here.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:20 PM
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39. So we'll still be talking about the rise and fall of Hillary 2000 years from now?
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:39 AM
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44. Ha. Hilly as Caesar, that's rich.
Not even Caesar's wife. More like Brutus's nosy wife, and even that's a stretch.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 05:39 AM
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47. That's my favorite play
Are you saying Hillary believes she's as constant as the northstar?

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anamnua Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:59 PM
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48. If you want a Shakespearian analogy for Obama
'Macbeth' (with his scary wife) fits the bill.
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