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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:44 AM Original message |
Why is it ok to say that Obama is winning the "black vote" but not ok to say |
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Bicoastal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. The Clintons and their supporters have become ardent foes of reverse racism. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
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DemVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #48 |
63. Do you have proof? |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Proof that he helped Farrakhan organize the Million Man March? |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
2. Because common-sense and reasonableness have gone out the window. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
25. Well said. thanks |
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bigbrother05 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
55. And how often is HRC called on the gender/sexism meme? |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
75. That's what I've been saying and thinking for a long time. |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
3. It's because Hillary is using it in the context of race baiting and |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
30. Big difference between stating demographics and saying... |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. ummm... |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Sorry. I was responding to your discussion and adding to it. The ... |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. no problem... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
61. maybe |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
4. Because Obama won in states with few blacks, so white working class people picked HIM? |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
60. isn't it racist for you to even say that? |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. Yeah, and I am a sexist. misogynist pig for not being in love with HRC too |
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marylanddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
5. Because Obama does not say his skin |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
35. .... |
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Nitrogenica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
6. Did Barack say he was winning the black vote, or is it the media pushing that? |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #6 |
32. Exactly! Barack never said he was "winning the black vote". The *media* did. Hillary, however... |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I reiterate; |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
7. Obama did not go on boasting about being the only candidate who can win the "black vote" ..... |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
57. well, you people sure have, and the #s show they're voting based on race. |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #57 |
70. you people?! |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
8. Because guesswork and supposition are all that's needed |
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BlueManDude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
9. Obama has never touted his strength among black voters. If anything |
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dcindian (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
10. Do you have some quotes from Obama? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
11. Is Obama making the argument that black people will not vote for Hillary? |
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marylanddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Thank you. |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
13. It's not that they say it but WHY they say it. |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
14. All Democrats win 90% of the Black vote |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
15. Because white can only be used when talking about Jenna's wedding dress n/t |
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nomorewhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
16. hillary is saying "barack can't win the white vote" because he is black |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
17. That wasn't the problem. |
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featherman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
18. Clinton is not "winning the white vote" in every primary so it is a fallacy |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
20. Is Obama claiming that black people won't vote for Clinton in the GE? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Well said. Thanks. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
73. . |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
21. Obama isn't saying blacks will only vote for a black person therebye using his skin color as a wedge |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
22. It would be ugly for Obama to say Hillary cannot win because she can't get hard working black voters |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. no shit. in fact it would be outrageous |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
23. threads like this are boring |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
26. REC. my hope is for a good discussion. |
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wvbygod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
27. There can be no good answer |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #27 |
42. There are plenty of reasonable answers on this thread. n/t |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
29. i dont know... i think both smack of racism in the population at large |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
33. it's not okay to suggest any group's votes are less/more important than others |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
34. Try this for starters - HRC supporters & surrogates saying "A Black Man Can't Win!" |
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RazBerryBeret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
37. there is a big difference....IMO. |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
38. I think it is |
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thevoiceofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
39. Improper predicate |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
43. Hillary can't win the black, under 35 or educated votors |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
44. The answer is quite simple. Hypocrisy thy name is Obot |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Provide ONE quote of Obama saying he gets the Black vote. Put up or shut up. |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. One of the many problems with Obots is they want the truth |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. The clown is YOU. Obama never claimed he gets the Black vote. Further, he never says Hillary |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
45. That's not what was said |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
46. Woot! Reverse Racism! Reverse Racism! |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Well, RW white folks, at any rate. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
49. Obama never SAID he's winning the Black vote. And he's never dismissed her wins as being |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
51. Tuesday evening ALL the pundits on ALL the channels were saying |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
52. because crying "racism!" |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
53. saying WHAT happened is different than saying WHAT will happen |
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Traction311 (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
54. Because Hillary isn't winning 90% of the white vote, unlike Obama |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
58. the danger |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
59. When Clinton implies that her white voters are racist, she crosses the line. |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
62. Well said. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
66. Obama supporters only RESPOND to the claims about Obama and black voters.. |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
67. That's a good question. Here's an answer |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Not just an answer but a good answer. |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
71. Because what she really is saying is... |
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lcdtelevision (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
72. It's the double standard |
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HuffleClaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
74. crying 'racism' is the only 'defense' the obama camp seems to possess |
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