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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:07 AM
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NYT: Aides say Hillary now regrets comments lower-income white voters would not support Obama
May 10, 2008

For First Time, More Superdelegates Favor Obama

By JOHN M. BRODER

The trump card Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton held in her faltering bid for president — her support among the superdelegates who can control the fate of the Democratic nomination — began slipping from her grasp on Friday as Senator Barack Obama moved into the lead on this front, with uncommitted delegates declaring their allegiance to him as others deserted her.

The superdelegate movement toward Mr. Obama, of Illinois — giving him a net gain of six on Friday alone, with more expected —increased the pressure on Mrs. Clinton, of New York, to at least refrain from divisive remarks, particularly after her comments on Wednesday that lower-income white voters would not support Mr. Obama if he became the Democratic nominee. Aides now say she regrets the comments.

Democratic officials said what had been a trickle of superdelegates declaring for Mr. Obama was turning into a steady stream in the wake of Tuesday’s primaries, when Mrs. Clinton lost by 14 percentage points in North Carolina and narrowly won Indiana. Mr. Obama is just 166 delegates away from the 2,025 delegates needed to secure the nomination.

“I think the tipping point was reached around midnight last Tuesday,” said Representative James E. Clyburn of South Carolina, predicting a “significant and steady movement toward Obama” by superdelegates.

Clinton advisers say attacks on Mr. Obama are no longer enough to change the momentum or the outcome of the nomination race. So continuing to attack him on the campaign trail, at this point, would probably inflict more long-term harm on Mrs. Clinton than on Mr. Obama, her advisers said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/10/us/politics/10clinton.html?ei=5087&em=&en=8b78d3451fee8e53&ex=1210564800&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1210425620-A47KF4FapOztKUbtfbNqEg
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:08 AM
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1. K/R.
:kick:
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:34 PM
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69. ITA. Great OP. We need to look and move forward, not get mired in Hillary's anger quagmire. n/t
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:08 AM
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2. What? Like sniper fire in Bosnia, HRC *accidently* said *WHITE Americans* TWICE?
Oh no, some things are VILE. Those statements by HRC to AP were just that. :puke:
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:11 AM
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5. It was the way she said it...
...not just that she said "white americans". Nothing inherintly bad about the phrase, though I would have opted for different language. But making false equivalencies of white = hard-working = American = uneducated = racist probably wasn't in her best interest. She insulted her supporters, and everyone else.
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wvbygod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:38 AM
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28. At the very least could you get your facts right?
Hillary was quoting the AP reports. She was talking to MSNBC.

But you don't need facts because any smear against Hillary will do at this time.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:03 AM
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42. She was making the AP report a talking point NOT just quoting it...nice try though
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:53 PM
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89. so the words just looked like they flew outta her mouth?nt
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:39 PM
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109. The fact that she repeated them as part of her argument, denotes that she believes what she read...
Edited on Sun May-11-08 02:44 PM by Heather MC
was it written by some one else yes.
did she read it yes. did she internalize it yes.
That means, even though they were not her "Original" words
she certainly believes them to be true. So much so she wants to use them as a talking point as to why the SD's should take the nomination from Obama and give it to her.

Those are the facts, she brought this Hellstorm on herself.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:13 PM
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64. so basically, aides are saying she regrets her remarks because
they backfired and are harming her more than him. she is regretful for herself, not for the evil and harm she did. she is unrepentant. what a dipshit she is.
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WillyToad Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:33 AM
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97. Oh my god! There are White Americans??
Oh frigging brother, now acknowleging that some americans are white is evil.

More race card from Obama supporters
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:11 AM
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3. If she means it, she should do two things
1) Make a public apology and 2) Pledge to make the rest of the campaign about the issues

Both would go a long way toward starting to heal the party.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:12 AM
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6. Like Bush, HRC does NOT apologize ... EVER! eom
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:11 AM
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4. I think
The nine superdelgate endorsements yesterday got the message clear...keep it up you won't make it to KY.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:12 AM
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7. "Aides say. . ." Do the right thing and say it yourself, Hillary.
If she truly regrets the remarks, she ought to own up to it herself.

We'll see.
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:19 AM
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50. Very true. I watch very closely what the candidate says vs what their surrogates say.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:09 PM
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85. I think the party will have had their fill of the Clintons by the time this
process comes to a screeching halt. If she's so sorry about saying those things, why are her surrogates still all over the cable networks making the same claims? I think she's just sorry that she said it, and didn't leave it to her underlings. Her wounds are indeed self-inflicted.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:55 PM
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91. in 2 weeks she will claim an apology
that was never made
as she did after the bosnia shoot out
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:12 AM
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8. I forgive Hillary
because I realize she doesn't believe most of the stuff she's saying. She's just saying what she's saying in order to get elected. She might be bereft of a soul, but it's clear that she still does have a conscience.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:27 AM
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19. Don't be so sure she has a conscience. She's only sorry because she lost
some SDs. If Obama hadn't gained so many SDs do you think she would be sorry? I'm not so sure.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:34 AM
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25. Bereft of a soul, but has a conscience
look at the ABC debate for example. Did you see her body language when she was dropping the 'Hamas' and 'Farrakhan' words in that debate? She was looking up into the middle of nowhere, not at the cameras or the audience. It was clear to me that she didn't think that Obama likes Hamas. She just did it because she knew that she had to say those words to try to become President. She knew it was wrong to do it, but she did it anyway. Still has a conscience (knew it was wrong), but is bereft of a soul (refused to listen to her conscience).

This is hardly a compliment for Hillary, and really speaks to the fact that the Republican attack machine has destroyed her soul with its 15 years of attack on even her sex life. I don't want a President bereft of a soul.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:43 AM
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31. my wife noticed it first
"what's she looking at?" It then occurred to me that she was reading with her photographic memory-her eyes were reading imaginary words on an imaginary paper only she could see...the fix was in that night-she KNEW what questions were coming and what answers to give TO those questions
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:51 AM
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34. I disagree re: Hillary knowing the question
It really wasn't that much of a stretch to think that Rev. Wright might be a question. Hillary was prepared for it with the 'Hamas' and 'Farrakhan' bombs, I guess trying to scare Americans with terrorists and black militant images. I viewed Hillary's looking out into space as her knowing that what she was doing was wrong, but she still did it anyway.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:29 PM
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108. I thought she seemed clued into the questions too.
Edited on Sun May-11-08 02:30 PM by votesomemore
Especially the one about Ayers. She had her little 911 lie all ready.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:14 PM
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78. I do the same thing
I remember best if I write it down. I sometimes pull the answer by seeing it (including where it was) on the paper I wrote it on.

For example, I have an ink pen and a spiral notebook handy when I read the newspaper. I underline things in the paper and take notes. I usually only do this with the war. A lot can be said and missed in just one sentence, so I have to dissect and ingest the info this way. It also helps when reading subsequent articles for correlation or inconsistencies.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:25 AM
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52. Not meaning troubles me just as must
If she said these hurtful things, intentionally and for their potential political use, it means she has no moral, ethical core values that would keep her from using rifts that have somewhat healed for her own political gain. What does it say to black Americans, who were the strongest allies Bill Clinton had - even when his lack of morality likely offended them. As a woman, I can immediately see that if HRC was male and her opponent female - the comment would have been "hard working MEN"

HRC has been given pass after pass when she has said things that were insensitive. There are always apologists saying that she didn't really mean it. This is a time to draw a line - and acknowledge that this is what she said - twice - and it was likely not off the cuff. At some point, you become the sum of what you do - not what you say you did or your own self image.

In HRC's case, her admirers to the contrary, look at her actions. It might be good to concentrate on 2005 going forward. What did HRC do to unite a demoralized party, set an agenda, or create a vision going forward. When Bush appointed Alito, the NYT lobbied for the Democrats to block him - clearly inferring that HRC should lead this. When it became clear that Kerry and Kennedy were already pushing the party to do so - and HRC was one holding back, they switched to ridiculing the efforts of the two MA senators. Though after it failed, they chided the Democrats for losing a battle that could have been won. Look at the comments in "Hillary War" the NYT magazine story on HRC on Kerry/Feingold. She was angry that it was introduced and pointed out that we controlled neither house of Congress or the Presidency. This was defeatist - the Senate fight on Iraq led to the Republicans not being able to label the Democrats as not having a plan - though they tried. It also was a variation of that plan, hit by HRC as hard as by the Republicans, that by early spring 2007 was the defacto Democratic plan. In the years 2005 through 2008, I do not see ONE issue that the Clintons led on. In fact, I don't see one from 2001 - 2008 and as the NYT stated they still controlled the party through that time. They failed as leaders.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:30 AM
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53. I might have thought so until November 2006
She could have criticized Kerry for misspeaking - though as we've seen, everyone misspeaks sometime when monitored constatantly - as he was. That she used the term "inappropriate" bought the RW twisted meaning - ignoring the near 4 decades where no one has been a more consistent ally to veterans and troops than Kerry. That showed her true colors.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 12:14 AM
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93. I'm always so glad when this gets mentioned. It was the day I vowed to never vote for Hillary.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 09:39 PM
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111. It's not clear at all. In fact it's clear
she does not have a conscience or a moral center.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:12 AM
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9. Non, rien de rien
Non, je ne regrette rien...

I'm sure that's closer to the truth.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:13 AM
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10. Senator Clinton owes U.S. voters an apology for her remarks.
I agree with Bob Herbert in this morning's New York TIMES.

IMO it is not enough to issue a remote statement of "regret" for racially-loaded attacks.

She needs to stand in front of the microphones and apologize, in a public forum, in broad daylight, in prime time.

Ever since Billy Shaheen and Geraldine Ferraro, this is the under-theme of the Clintons' effort to derail Barack Obama, and has soured quite a few Democrats toward "the Clintons."

In return for an apology, we'll give her back her kitchen sink.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:25 PM
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86. Can you imagine the spot she's placed her committed SD's in?
Especially the black ones. They have to be hearing tons from their constituents about her behavior. These people are in a most uncomfortable position, having to hear these sound clips played over & over. I am so embarassed for Hillary.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:11 PM
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87. Hi, Tarheel_Dem. Yes. She's seeking a job representing all Americans
by dividing some Americans against other Americans.

Dumb strategy.

And it has been a major reason why she is not the nominee-apparent.


:hi: :dem:
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:49 PM
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88. That she has not become the nominee-apparent, I am truly grateful.
I just wish that she and her husband had chosen to go out with class. They began trying to divide us after Super Tues., and in their desparation, they've gone into all out bigot mode. I think we'll see more of her SD's make the switch in the coming days.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 12:02 AM
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92. I'll lay hard cash down on the barrel on your predictoin.
Bob Herbert's column in this morning's NYTIMES really drove the point home for me.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:49 AM
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118. Don't forget Andrew Cuomo and Bob Johnson.
"Shuck and jive" and "Drug dealer" attacks, respectively.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:14 AM
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11. " probably inflict more long-term harm on Mrs. Clinton than on Mr. Obama"
Edited on Sat May-10-08 09:16 AM by 4themind
Key phrase, here as to what I think motivates this campaigns strategy(if this article is true). After her comments to USA today, the very next day obama picks up +9 in the super del count,(the most in one day IIRC) they need to send(and I think clinton may be coming around to this) that she's welcome to continue her fight, but if she keeps ratcheting UP the rhetoric, they will make her chances more remote by announcing their support. I think that's the principle "language" at this point that she understands> I wonder if she regrets the comments because the validity/empathy for barack, or if she regrets it because it seems to only be hastening the tide of super delegates declaring. Who knows
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panAmerican Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:31 PM
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77. That's why she regrets the comments: blowback
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:14 AM
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12. It would make a difference if she publicly stated this
Edited on Sat May-10-08 09:15 AM by EffieBlack
Otherwise, this comment will haunt and damage her far into the future.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:15 AM
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13. Words have meanings and words have power.
Hasty and ill spoken words are like feathers placed on a doorstep--regret them and try and retrieve them and you will find they are lost in the wind. Freed to do their mischief and damage.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:16 AM
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14. TRANSLATION: WV internal polls suggest Hillary's margin of victory
has shrunken considerably.

:headbang:
rocknation
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:19 AM
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15. It's more like an attack of caughtitis.
Edited on Sat May-10-08 09:21 AM by formercia
We have her by the short and curlies and she's squealing 'uncle'.

I'd bet she goes back to her old ways once she figures the coast is clear.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 09:42 PM
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112. hilary thinks she can say any ol' thing, to pander
for the latest primary, with impunity.

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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:21 AM
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16. so surprised that Hillary is changing courses AGAIN
now that she played the race card for KY and WV, its time to change the tone and go after the voters in Oregon
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:37 PM
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60. EXACTLY! nt
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:21 AM
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17. Too Late, the damage has been done and the retraction needed to
come from Hillary and not an underling.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:24 AM
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18. she only "regrets" them b/c they backfired, not b/c they hurt anyone's feelings
everything about her is calculated, cunning, and fake. she says whatever people want to hear. she is a coward who has never taken a stand on anything that might be even slightly risky, because she doesn't believe in anything except her own bottom line. what major and even slightly controversial or risky legislation has she ever introduced? I have never liked her at all for that reason--she never does anything without sticking her finger in the wind to see which way it's blowing--too bad she was too stupid not to see the wind would not blow favorably on her latest scheme of courting the IWT ("ignorant white trash") she assumed the voters to be.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:27 AM
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20. K/R.
:kick:
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:28 AM
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21. Obama has had to answer REPEATEDLY for words that weren't even his.
She's not going to face the public and clarify her remarks or express her regret? Are you effin' KIDDING me? She essentially held ONE demographic up as far more important than all the others--low-income uneducated whites. She needs to apologize to all of us who AREN'T low-income uneducated whites.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:33 AM
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23. She needs to do more than apologize
She needs to make a Speech on RACE and Divison and the hurt that it has given to her country.

Her husband needs to join her in that message.
Anything less will be a "Misspoke."
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RedRocco Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:40 AM
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29. why?
are you top earning, educated, whites better then poor white trash like me? I find the classism on this board disturbing. I always have, and thats why I rarely post.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:45 AM
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33. No particular demographic should be held up as the gold standard
Edited on Sat May-10-08 09:46 AM by wienerdoggie
in an election. Hillary is saying that since lower-income, non-educated whites seem to prefer her, she's a better candidate for the GE than Obama. There's nothing "classist" about what I said--you are ridiculous.

on edit--perhaps you should go back to rarely posting.
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RedRocco Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:57 AM
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38. ok let me state up front Im no Clinton supporter.
and you came accross as insulted to be compared to someone like me. well, Im insulted that you are insulted.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:58 AM
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56. Could you expand on this?
Until these HRC comments, I really saw nothing that suggested that people's income or even education had any bearing on how their opinions were looked upon. I do not know who is poor or rich, PHD or GED here. In fact, the only time I saw it come up was on the part of some self identified poor Southerns who attacked people who were from the north - especially the northeast.

Also, why on earth would you identify yourself as "poor white trash"? I grew up in a large family with a dad who was a milk man, we would likely have been called poor by many on the board. We all went to our state's public Universities, did well and some of us went for advance degrees. We always thought of ourselves as intelligent, hard working and goal driven. We kids range from poor to wealthy now - because of the paths we took, but when we are together current net worth doesn't matter.

I take HRC's remark personally for a good reason. My family grew up in the white, ethnic areas of Lake County. She might as well have called us "white trash". I still have some family there - some voted for her. In December one did say nice things about HRC. She was a swing voter and still disliked my favorite Democrat for saying the war was "wrong" and not a war of last resort. I chose to be a good Democrat and did not attack HRC, who likely could be our nominee.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:52 PM
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61. I don't think there was
any such implication in the message you replied to. The point is simply that no one group is "better" than another, and even more important it is WRONG to try to pit one group AGAINST another. That's all.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:15 PM
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57. She should also apologize to low-income whites
whom she characterized for the world as ignorant bigots.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:52 PM
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62. Absolutely! n/t
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:32 AM
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22. Let`s see if her supporters will understand that too.I`m still waiting...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:34 AM
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24. "Regrets, she's had a few..." nt
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:37 AM
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27. But not too few to mention!
:evilgrin:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:37 AM
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26. I'm not going to beat her up on the issue anymore.
Surrogates are fair game though including Bill. But I want to move on.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:41 AM
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30. Then she needs to be human enough to get her ass out there and apologize for this. We all make
mistakes, but the simple truth is that until we recognize them as such, we go on repeating them. She has divided and hurt lots of people by her speech, she needs to heal that.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:43 AM
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32. Then she and her surrogates need to stop saying stuff like this, and she needs to campaign honorably
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michaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:54 AM
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35. Sorry, too little, too late. n/t
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:55 AM
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36. Notice something
"Clinton advisers say attacks on Mr. Obama are no longer enough to change the momentum or the outcome of the nomination race. So continuing to attack him on the campaign trail, at this point, would probably inflict more long-term harm on Mrs. Clinton than on Mr. Obama, her advisers said."

Notice she is more worried about the attacks hurting her than the party.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:55 AM
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37. Hillary Clinton is a good person who has let ambition get the best of her.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 09:47 PM
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113. How do you know
she's a good person? Not by her actions and her words. This campaign isn't the first time she's lied. Good people don't send other people's kids off to a political war that includes bombing another country.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:59 AM
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39. I'd like to hear from her directly.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:04 AM
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43. Me too
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:02 AM
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40. Why doesn't she say she regrets it and apologize
that would go a long way towards healing.

it would also get her most ardent supporters to stop defending what even she finds indefensible.

i can't reason with supporters who think what she said is the right thing to say, but it would be nice to be able to respond with, "why don't you just support what Hillary really thinks and she thinks her statement was a mistake?"

that MIGHT get through to them.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:03 AM
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41. I appreciate that there are regrets this occasion. Our party can only function best with
Edited on Sat May-10-08 10:05 AM by barack the house
cultural sensitivity from the plain diverse demographics of the party. So I applaud her wise move on this subject. I deeply hope this is the start of some soothing reconciliation and a clear move toward the GE.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:30 AM
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44. To Fucking Late!
IMHO
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:32 AM
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45. I guess that's why she sent her SURROGATE to LKL to say: White won't vote for a black man in
the GE, citing the Bradley effect and "goddamn america". Way to go, Hillary.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:38 AM
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46. Hill-Billy needs to put her brain in gear before she moves her lips!
She is the penultimate spoiled brat. Baby Jane Hillary has made it clear that if she cannot steal the nomination, then she'll sabotage Obama every way she can.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:05 AM
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47. Instead of working to heal a divide in the Democratic Party,
...the Candidate Who Shall Remain Nameless (CWSRN) fans the flames of racial hatred in an attempt to widen it.
Only AFTER her racial inflamatory strategy FAILS doe she have regrets, and then ONLY voiced by a campaign aide....not good enough!

NOT. THIS. TIME.
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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:09 AM
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48. So these comments really must backfire, otherwise I don't think she'd regret them. n/t
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:16 AM
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49. at least some the superdelegates appear to have some intelligence
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:20 AM
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51. Contrition is easy when something blows up in your face....
:think:

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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:57 AM
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55. Exactly. "Oh, they're not buying it. Well, in that case, I'm sorry."
Disgusting.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:36 AM
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54. it`s over....and she knows it.
at this point in time she is irrelevant. it is barack and john that is the focus now...
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Rubiconski2009 Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:22 PM
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58. Shrillary - a dreadful liar and a potential mass-murdering lunatic.
A grotesque insult to the intelligence and worse than meaningless.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 08:35 AM
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102. That was unneccessary and bordering on libelous
Obama has won the campaign. Continuing the nastiness against Senator Clinton is doing nothing but hurting the Obama campaign. Unless, of course, that was your intent...
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:23 PM
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59. Not enough. She needs to make a nationally televised apology!
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:07 PM
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70. And denounce and reject her comment.
:think:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:14 PM
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72. and denouce and reject herself
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:53 PM
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63. Oops!
She fucked up again.



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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:20 PM
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66. Yeah she did... Hey Swamp, que tal?
:hi:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:29 PM
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67. más o menos bien
¡Órale vato! :hi:

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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:19 PM
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74. Disculpe, pero que significa "Orale vato" ?
Did you catch my last reply to you the other time?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:23 PM
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81. "Hello dude" is what it means to me.
:hi: en 'chicano'. :D





No, I did not see your reply. Sorry I missed it. Can you post it here again? Bota aqui outra vez e eu volto aqui pra ver.

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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:16 PM
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106. Ah obrigado! Falas Portugues tambem? "Wow"...
It was something like "if you happen to visit your family in Cologne, I could be there in 30 minutes...".

;)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 09:29 PM
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110. Oi rapaz
Ja, ich hab' Familie in Köln. ;)

Falo português bem eu acho, mas faz muito tempo desde falar quasi tudo dia (cuando morei no Brasil, falei 'super-legal'). Agora falo muito melhor do que posso escrever. :D

Você é de onde? Bélgica? Desculpe, eu não lembro. À bientôt :hi:



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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:41 PM
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115. No Brasil?! Onde, Rio, Sao Paulo,...? Quanto tempo?
Sou nascido en Alemanha, meus pais mudaram se aqui. Tenho familia en muitos paises en Europa, en Belgica tambem. ( REALLY not sure if all this is correct ;) )

Tu viens a l'Europe quelquefois? :hi:

PS : Dass Du Dich mit romanischen Sprachen auskennst, hast Du mir bewiesen! ;)
PPS : Like your work! ( hope you have backups of all the stuff you made over the years, believe me I know... )
PPPS Que é "lembro"?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 05:19 PM
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116. lembrar = to remember
Schlect ist mein Deutch und mein Deutch ist schlect. When I was in school in Österreich I could speak gut... not anymore. Conheço dez estados no Brasil, mas morei no nordestse (Ceará, Pernambuco, Sergipe). Agora, não tenho muito familia na Europa, mas ja tenho amigos.. tudo lado do mundo. Morei em Costa Rica então tenho muitos amigos lá. Estou morrendo de saudade do Brasil hoje. :cry: Ontem foi a Dia Das Mães, e minha mãezinha tá la agora e eu aqui. :(

Obrigado. Tenho um back-up aqui: www.swamp-rat.com

PS aonde está você agora? Eu tô aqui em New Orleans. ;)

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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:47 AM
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117. Sorry to hear...
...that's tough. I feel for you... :hug:

I am confused, had you living in CA, dunno... ;) I am in Düsseldorf at the moment...
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:16 PM
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65. Mmmmreeaaalllly??? Maybe she'd like to make a public pronouncement herself
Just to show she really means it?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:31 PM
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68. the poor baby misspoke again?
Too late Hillary, you will now go down in History as the Prejudiced Lady who tried to take down the First Black President.

An Excellent Epilogue to the Clinton Legacy...
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:18 PM
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80. Awww.. could we say she's "bitter"?? or "elite"??
Is she gonna weep & "cling" to her six-shooter or her fake European rifle for comfort?

No sympathy here..after the "HUGH" commotion she raised over Obama's mis-speak :)
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:08 PM
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71. I guess calling the good people of Kentucky and WV racist was a bad move.
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:16 PM
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73. Slow learners
:kick:

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:26 PM
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75. Slow Learners?
Well, thats Hillary's base.
She already said that all the smart people were voting for Obama.
Paul Begala agreed.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:29 PM
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76. She's lied too much for me to believe ehr now. n/t
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:16 PM
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79.  There once was a filly, named Hillie
There once was a filly, named Hillie
People may have thought it silly
She wanted to win the big race
Which was fine on its face
But she was undone as it all went south
Thanks to Filly Hillie's & Billy's big mouth
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:29 PM
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82. How 'bout she stops saying things she later regrets, ey?
Just a thought. If she's going to stay in the race long after the lights have been turned out, the least she could do is to stop bashing our nominee.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:48 PM
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84. her only regret is that she didn't win
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:47 PM
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83. the damage is done, Hillary.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:55 PM
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90. Oh, I'm quite sure there's a LOT she regrets.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 12:22 AM
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94. Interesting
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 12:51 AM
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95. But it was just fine when Obama wanted Pookie and Ray-Ray to
vote for him.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 09:52 PM
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114. Yes, we know you're full of red herrings and
you condone hilary and her sleazy campaign.














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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:16 AM
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96. NO, its SNL's skit tonight that she regrets! Hillary will need another shot of booze when
shesee's the skit. They threw her under a mac truck and backed up and ran over her again. Thats what she's going to regret.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:37 AM
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98. She only regrets it because it didn't work - not because race-baiting is wrong.
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:40 AM
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99. She misspoke. nt
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:40 AM
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100. Glad to see that her camp is beginning to get a clue.
Unfortunately for Clinton, the damage has long been done. If she's really looking to redeem herself somehow, she should concede immediately and give a heartfelt speech atleast explaining if not apologizing for her unbecoming attacks on a fellow Democratic nominee.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 08:32 AM
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101. Senator Obama has moved on to the general election
He has the nomination all but wrapped up. The primaries will finally be over in less than a month, and the outcome is a foregone conclusion. Senator Clinton should remain in the race until June 3rd, but should stop the attacks on Obama.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 08:35 AM
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103. she regrets being called on it..
:banghead:
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 10:02 AM
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104. I tend to regret shit that backfires on me too.
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 11:18 AM
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105. She regrets making comments that hurt HER
She doesn't regret making those comments because they are racist, rude, etc. I can't stand it when people don't actually apologize for the shit that they did. She has never, ever apologized to Obama for her any of her race baiting comments and it really makes me mad. I consider it a weakness of character for someone not to own up to their mistakes and apologize. Professional sports figures do it all the time and they continue to have careers. Why can she learn from this???
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:24 PM
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107. Yeah. She can stop beating herself and step ASIDE.
I'm glad she made the comments. They were true to who she is.
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