Salute To Dean, an Good Soldier, daring to speak the truth about Bush

[WiseMen]

administrations willingness to use ever tool under its control
to advance its political interests.

It is hard to believe that the media managers don't see that Rove
is running the entire apparatus as part of the campaign: --

- army of Republican officials at the DN Convention to slam Dem
speakers and blaring the Republican spin day after day through
the RW media channels

- Bush publicizing his "emergency meetings" on 9/11 during the
Convention.

- Having Colin Powell arrive in Bagdad the day after JK incredible
acceptance speech.

- And now, leaking terror alerts in NY and calling Terror ]
news conferences on Sunday to dominated the Sunday news programs.

And then they will call un-patriotic any one who speaks openly
about the obvious media manipulation.

[Pallas180]

1. Yeah I hear that -he layed it out very well-and plick Wolf sputtering

but but but dont you believe - but but

how could you believe the admin would use this for politics?

yeah sure Wolf....keep doing your talking points.

[wtmusic]

3. When Dean is on he's awesome

With the pressure of a campaign off him now he's going to be a helluva soldier to have on our side

[Joanne98]

2. I second that

"You can't trust Republicans with your money", Howard Dean. :)

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. Right on!

Howard is fearless and is great at telling it like it is.

[Tom Rinaldo]

5. Absolutely

Dean has been a Democratic Warrior for Peace, Justice, AND the triumph of average Americans over special interests. Democrats seemed hypnotized before Dean stood up.

[madfloridian]

6. I salute him again for being right a little too soon, and taking them on.

I was very proud of how he worded it, how he is so unafraid. All the alerts today were blowing our minds here, not for fear, but for the very outrage of it all.

When he spoke like that it cleared my brain a little, just like it did last year when we heard him.

If he never becomes president, he has earned the respect of everyone for how he has taken the crap put out by this bunch.

[WiseMen]

7. Repub event and media manipulation is a threat up to Nov.2. If Dean gets

the word out to the masses it can only help insulate from the
propaganda.

[sandnsea]

8. Totally disagree

You know full well that Dean's outrageous statements alienates most Democrats and moderates. Why are you saying this stuff?

[madfloridian]

9. How do you know that?

And ask yourself this....why are we so afraid of the truth now? Maybe it is the one thing that will save us.

[AntiCoup2K4]

11. FUCK what the "moderates" think

I'm sick of sacrificing everything that used to be good about this party for the so called "moderates". You guys got your DLC candidates, your neocon platform and ENDLESS war cheerleading and that STILL isn't enough for you.

No, you want to go even further to the right so you don't risk offending a bunch of wishy washy sheeple who can't make up their minds.

Bottom line is, if people don't realize how badly George Bush has fucked up this country by now, they aren't gonna get it. Why waste any more effort on them?

[madfloridian]

12. Applause!

:yourock:

[sandnsea]

23. Hey, we're winning

So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

[madfloridian]

25. Oh good grief. Your contempt for Dean is just too much.

I am sorry, but it is just overboard. You are defining yourself as better than I am, and I very very much resent it.

How dare you. What do you mean "we are winning, put that in your pipe and smoke it". You won't win without "us"!

[mzmolly]

27. Winning? Perhaps ... but with DEANS HELP! Just ask Clinton, our

former *moderate* President, who took special note of Dean earlier this year. You know, the mention of thanks, the standing ovation, the rousing applause at the convention.

Yeah, he sure is alienating people alright :eyes:

You sound like Al Mother Friggin From at times Sandnsea.

[sandnsea]

29. The ass kissing?

Yes dear, I know. Unity.

[mzmolly]

32. Actually, Dean was the ONLY beneficary of said ass kissing, so

your *unity* point is garbage.

We had NINE candidates for the nomination, only ONE got the so called unity treatment I spoke of above.

[ibegurpard]

46. Guess what?

Dean ain't going anywhere. So put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.

[mzmolly]

26. Bullshit. If he alienated people he would not have been in first

place before the Osama ad and the media slaughter.

If we win the election DEAN will be a HUGE part of WHY we won.

[TeacherCreature]

50. you are being sarcastic right?

LOL, because I don't think people here are getting your humor.

[JNelson6563]

53. Still spouting lies about Dean eh?

When are you going to get over your hatred/fear of this man?

Julie

[madfloridian]

10. Calling attention to it is the first step. People do not know it.

Then we can hope others quit being afraid and speak up as well.

[Martha Cook]

13. What proof?

Howard Dean and other “extremists” are going to cost the Democrats the election. The Republican National Convention is going to be test for America. My brother works in the financial district. For the first time, he called me and we talked for two hours. It is scary. There are a lot of Americans who have ties to New York, New Jersey, Chicago and Washington DC. They are concerned. Howard Dean does not have any proof of Bush and his lies.. He is just taking shots at Bush. Didn’t Kerry say that this campaign should be civil? KERRY has to prove to America that he can be tough on terrorists. The DEMOCRATS have to prove to America that they can be tough on terrorists. Kerry HAS NOT won the election.

Every America is concerned about terror. People of all races are concern about terror. Didn’t you guys watch the convention?

Whining about the Republicans on a conservative news channel makes you guys look bad.

[madfloridian]

14. Proof? Who mentioned proof?

Dean just supposed. He did it quite well and did not deny there was danger.

You want proof? How about the "proof" Bush took us to war on? How about some of that "proof."

[Martha Cook]

15. Dean needs to keep quiet

He needs to chose his words carefully. In a divided country, every word is going to be analyzed. It will all come back to haunt Kerry. I dont see him as a cabinet choice.


I was having a discussion on another website. The person said that Moore made the same mistake and it cost Clark.

[madfloridian]

16. Hogwash.

If it is such a danger right now, why did Bloomberg say today that it was based on info 2 or 3 years old? Hmmmm???

Sounds like you don't understand how powerful Michael Moore is right now? Or perhaps you don't want to understand?

[madfloridian]

17. And what about all the good "proof" Bush used for war?

How about all of that. Guess you have no answer.

Never mind, just caught this statement of yours about "you guys."

"Whining about the Republicans on a conservative news channel makes you guys look bad."

LOL never mind.

[Martha Cook]

19. Hello?

I am a Democrat. Why are Democrats going on a channal that is pro conservative. Why are Democrats online complaing about Republicans istead of coming up with intelligent responses? Democrats need to be pro active instead of complaining.

[skygazer]

22. Know thy enemy

I read many ultra conservative columns and listen to their idiots on radio and tv. I listen to the shrub's speeches, I will watch the RNC - I want to know what they're saying so I can counter it intelligently. You don't learn anything by listening only to those who agree with you.

[Cha]

45. Thanks for doing that...I know it is important to know your

enemy..I just couldn't be the one to go on reconnaissance..so thank you for all that you do.

[skygazer]

21. I thoroughly disagree

I think one reason so many people were fed up with the Democratic Party was because it sounded like a wimpy version of the Republican Party. Dean asks the questions people really want answers to instead of pussy footing around being so careful about what comes out of his mouth that NOTHING comes out of it. We need CHANGE and people need to know that we provide a complete alternative to the lying, corrupt, hypocritical butt munches that are in office now, not just more of the same only a "lite" version.

I'm sick of people saying that we have to watch what we say when the Bushies are so over the top all the time that you can barely keep up with it.

You rock, Howard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mzmolly]

28. Mr. Rove?

:hi:

Gosh, sorry I didn't get a chance to know you better round here.

[RogueTrooper]

49. It might have cost Clark

but Clark was going to loose anyway ( not enough experience and it showed ). Moore's "intemperate" reference to Bush's military record did more damage to Bush than anything the Washington Democrats could muster. Clark should his inexperience by letting Moore's remarks sink his campaign. Kerry should his experience by using those same remarks to win the Democratic primary.

[janx]

18. The current administration WANTS you to be scared.

That's precisely Dean's point!

Ridge even put in a plug for the Bush administration in his speech, for pete's sake!

Dean didn't say there was no reason for the alert; only that the current administration is coupling this with the reelection effort. There can be no disputing that.

Bush has said himself that he is campaigning this way. It's not something Dean made up.

[sandnsea]

36. It's just the wrong approach

The right approach is to address the lack of specifics about what people are supposed to do. Address Bush still out campaigning while the alerts are being raised. To point out what Bush is doing without being so politically stupid as to say it's all a campaign stunt. Even though I totally agree it is. Trust the American people to draw their own conclusions without sounding like a conspiracy theorist. That's always been Dean's problem. As Carville said, "he just doesn't appreciate the beauty of the unspoken word."

[madfloridian]

38. So.......that is how it is. Carville is the authority.

My My, is that same Carville working with the Chavez opposition in Venezuela? He is the standard for our party now? And believe me, the Democratic party does not belong to you and Carville anymore than it belongs to the rest of us.

[janx]

40. He did not say that it's all a campaign stunt.

He said that while some of this is necessary, even Bush himself has admitted that his campaign is using it. That's hardly conspiracy theory.

Relax. Kerry knows what Dean is about. Dean is a very valuable asset to the Kerry campaign.

As to your Carville quote, I'm sorry but I cannot trust any political talking head who is married to another political talking head from an opposing side.

That's not politics; that's media theater and money. It's probably time you realized that.

[Cha]

44. Oh, and carville does?

Dean's doing a great job by the way.

[TeacherCreature]

52. LOL, coming from Carville that is funny as hell

Dean was welcomed to the convention as if he had won the nomination. You are simply wrong.

[VOX]

20. Dean is an "extremist?" Then what in the hell does that make Bush*???????

Except the most dangerous radical to ever come down the pike. Along with his gang of thugs, our country is a divided, sputtering mess, that is choking on its own spew, and spoiling the entire globe in the process.

Excuse me, but I'll take Dean's loyal, patriotic "extremism" every time.

[janx]

37. Would you be so kind as to define who/what you mean by

"you guys"?

It's confusing.

[madfloridian]

39. "Us guys" who don't fall completely in line.

We who believe in speaking clearly and not worrying about polls. Polls like elections can be manipulated.

Telling the truth in a clear way is now wrong. This is what we have come to represent.

We have donated to Kerry, we will vote for Kerry. I am not required to praise his every move. That is NOT what being a Democrat is about.

[TeacherCreature]

51. dumb f**ing freeper

[madfloridian]

24. Transcript is up. Judge for yourselves.

I still say he opened the floodgates today, and though he will take criticism.......it is ok. Maybe that is what his role is.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0408/01/le.00.html

[mzmolly]

30. Thank GAWD someone called Bush on this bullshit!

:toast: to Dean!

Here is the meat of the snip:

The president himself has said he is playing politics with this. The president himself has said that he ought to be re-elected because of the terrible terrorist danger. I don't see what's the big deal about this. I mean, it's obvious politics has something to do with this.

BLITZER: Well, as I said before, that's a very serious charge that you're making against the president.

DEAN: I don't think it's a serious charge. It's something the president himself has acknowledged.

BLITZER: Well, when you say he's acknowledged, he says this is not...

DEAN: The president's campaign is based on...

BLITZER: Well, let me just say, he says that what he's doing is trying to protect the American people when he and his intelligence community, law enforcement community sense there are threats out there.

DEAN: I have no doubt that the president is trying to protect the American people. That's his job. And I think that's a good thing. I think that's good. That's what he should be doing.

However, when you're going to run on inspiring fear in American people, that's politics.

And there's no way you can get out of accusations and discussions about the relationship between politics and protecting us against terrorism in an election year when the president of the United States is avowedly running his political re-election campaign on the notion that he can protect us better from terrorism than John Kerry can.

BLITZER: Let's move on.

DEAN: I happen to disagree with that. But the president himself made the choice to inject politics into the campaign on terrorism. That was his choice. He's now going to have to live with the consequences.

[madfloridian]

34. It was beautiful to watch, mzmolly.

He was like a bulldog hanging on, and Blitzer was so outraged. I was so angry about the terror alerts and the manipulation that it was heartwarming to see.

[mzmolly]

35. And it sounds like it was a GREAT place to say it too!

*sigh* so sorry I missed it. Dean is always on top of it, saying JUST what needs to be said. He is STILL speaking for so many of us. :hi:

[Cha]

43. blitzer to Dean.."let's move on"...and Dean to blitzer...

"DEAN: I happen to disagree with that. But the president himself made the choice to inject politics into the campaign on terrorism. That was his choice. He's now going to have to live with the consequences."

Thank you, Dean!

[Sensitivity]

31. You have to love the Guv. He says what he thinks.

[mzmolly]

33. Thanks wisemen.

:hi:

[Johnny B. Goode]

41. I agree

Howard Dean is a great man. If it weren't for him, I doubt the turnout at the primaries would have been nearly as good

[WiseMen]

42. I hammered Dean during the Primaries, but I think he does a service to

all by showing skepticism.

After a few days, we are finding out that most of the "Terror" info may
be from 3 years ago. Bush is so incompetent and Rove is so
manipulative that anything is possible.

[Cha]

47. This just in from the Jon Stewart Show...

I didn't see it but asked on another thread if Jon talked about the terror alerts in NYC and this is the response I got ..

"jpgray (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-02-04 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #2

6. Yes! He did a great job too


He was in the middle of speaking about how united and energized the Democrats were when an aide suddenly handed him a note, and he interrupted to say 'forget that, suddenly we have a major terror warning'. It was hilarious. He also played the clip of Ridge attributing the safety of the nation and the interception of the threat information to the strong leadership of GWB--the obvious political pandering there was quite clear, and it was very funny to the audience"

[michigandem2]

48. Saw Dean on Hardball on Monday

and he speaks what many of us are thinking..that there is a real threat..that part is real but coming out on a Sunday afternoon...spewing this "alert" then not giving us the full story as in...(we've known for 3 weeks...AND the info is mostly 3 years old) its really rediculous..and I am glad he is around to say it...I am not unpattiotic but I have a hard time feeling "safer" with this guy in office...

Howard Dean is a voice we need