Bloomberg: Best for economy: HRC: 32%, BO 26%, JM 23%

[MonkeyFunk]

Part of the new Bloomberg/LaTimes poll being discussed on MSNBC now.

[Skidmore]

1. Wall Street's chosen.

[melody]

2. I think it's hilarious that both of the Democrats are ranked higher than McBush n/t

[OzarkDem]

5. So why are they giving their money to Obama?

Actually, I'm beginning to think its the health insurance industry who is using Obama to push Clinton out of the race.

[hokies4ever]

22. Yeah, can't be the voters

in the 30+ contests that Obama has won. :rofl:

[Leftist Agitator]

51. Yeah, because the Health Insurance industry...

Is absolutely TERRIFIED of Hillary's plan to mandate that every American purchase health insurance from a private insurer.

:eyes:

Oh, you wacky Hillarites!

:rofl:

[OzarkDem]

52. They're afraid of her public plan competing w/ private insurance

they're also afraid of the premium caps and other restrictions insurance companies will have to agree to.

That's why Obama left it out of his proposal. Little things mean a lot.

[MattBaggins]

3. So what do you make of the polls showing that Obama would beat Hillary in CA

if the primaries were held today? If hypothetical what ifs are legitimate arguments to present to the SDs; is it ok for Obama to add that to his list?

[NJmaverick]

4. Interesting how your betray your biases with your choice of initials

You lose ALL credibility, as a reasoned poster, when you refer to Hillary as "HRC" and Obama as "BO".

You childish body odor reference is not lost on the average DUer.

[MonkeyFunk]

9. Don't be silly.

People complain about referring to his middle name. It's a no-win situation.

You're nuts if you think that was an intentional slight on Obama.

[Freedom Train]

27. Hey, look at this guy! He's saying we SHOULD call Obama "Hussein"!

Alright, if you said so!

[datopbanana]

6. INDEPENDENTS: HRC 35.... McCain 46

[MonkeyFunk]

10. Where do those numbers come from?

What do they refer to?

[datopbanana]

12. you are trouble

Where do those numbers come from?
THE POLL YOU JUST POSTED.

What do they refer to?
SUPPORT OF INDEPENDENTS BETWEEN HRC AND MCCAIN.

[MonkeyFunk]

13. How am I in trouble?

Those numbers weren't shown on MSNBC, and you didn't provide any information. It was a pretty logical question. I'm still wondering where you got them.

[datopbanana]

14. Read the POLL.

[MonkeyFunk]

15. You're being ridiculous

I said in the OP that the numbers I posted were aired on television. Those are the numbers I quoted.

You posted other numbers, with no link, no reference. Why not just link the online poll if you have it handy?

But anyway, the point is, she's beating McCain by more than Obama is.

[datopbanana]

17. google, its not new.

[MonkeyFunk]

29. LOL

awfully prickly, aren't you? A rational person, quoting numbers, provides the source of them and doesn't get all jerky when asked.

[roseBudd]

23. "the point is, she's beating McCain by more than Obama is" so?

she is not the nominee and this is a poll not an election in November

Are we supposed to believe that people who are polled are wise?

Or that POTUS waves a magic wand on Day One to banish those pesky coequal branches of government so that POTUS can be dictator and git er done.

[MonkeyFunk]

30. Obama's not the nominee either

:shrug:

[roseBudd]

36. so you actually think the SDs are going to give it to Hillary? They are not uneducated

they know that the Democratic party without African American support is a party that would not control congress. That many downticket house races lose without African American support. Since POTUS is but one coequal branch how does that benefit the Democratic party. If you want the party that defers to the white vote you should join the GOP.

Add HRC unfavorables including her high perception of dishonesty and you are looking at ain't going to happen. I don't have ESP but I can see the big picture.

[MonkeyFunk]

39. I think there's a chance

that if Clinton demonstrates she's the better candidate, they will.

Having the most pledged delegates is not the one and only measure, no matter how much you guys wish it were.

And no, I shouldn't join the GOP. I'm a lifelong Democrat. The exclusionary bullshit you guys keep pulling isn't going to help you much in the GE. It seems most of you are brand new to politics.

[cascadiance]

41. Why don't you find a "magic number generator" and buy some lotto tickets with them instead...

You probably have better odds of winning that and the results probably would be more satisfying too!

[MonkeyFunk]

46. Why is it inappropriate

to discuss polling here in GDP? I don't think I'm the first person to post new polling information.

[MadBadger]

35. delete

[Forkboy]

7. I suspect most people don't really trust any of them on the economy.

And will just hope for the best from any of them. I don't think I know anyone who has faith in the government for anything economy related anymore, if they ever did.

[Creideiki]

53. The economy is actually not so difficult this time

(Note--I'm going to alternate the order of use of Hillary and Barack throughout. I marginally (and only marginally) prefer Hillary over Barack--my guy was Edwards. If you want to see me cheerlead, let's start a discussion of the relative merits of either two weaksauce dregs we have left to him.)

1) Withdraw from Iraq--we can't afford to keep financing the occupation. Both Hillary and Barack are for a quick withdrawal.

2) Balance the budget. With Iraq out of the picture, much easier.

3) Support investment in alternative energy and infrastructure (including public transit that allows urban/suburban survival and subsidies to protect the breadbasket). Both Barack and Hillary *seem* likely to be willing to do this.

4) Support the State Department and diplomacy over the Big Stick. Again, both Hillary and Barack seem likely to follow this track. Hillary's statement on retaliating against Iran AND Barack's statement on pre-emptive invasion of Pakistan are both saying they would retain the importance of Israel's security and anti-terrorism as cornerstones of their foreign policies. That's not news. (If Iran decided to bomb Israel Barack would be protecting Israel also. If Pakistan were shown to be protecting Osama bin Laden--you know, the actual terrorist, not the Bush Administration's boogeyman--Hillary would move in.)

5) Maintain the social safety net. Neither Barack nor Hillary is going to propose dismantling it (although both would likely bow to political pressure if a Republican Congress were to come to power and force it on them.)

[rocktivity]

8. Consider the source.

:boring:
rocknation

[DogPoundPup]

11. Turn off your tee-vee ... stop supporting the talking head elitists

[MonkeyFunk]

16. I'll give your advice

all the consideration it deserves.

[ccharles000]

18. She is a smart lady.

[hokies4ever]

20. How do you explain the gas tax holiday then?

:rofl:

You're still my favorite Hillary supporter ccharles000. You praise Hillary without unfairly attacking Obama.

[saltpoint]

19. I gotta chuckle at McCain's last-place finish in this one!

Especially given the news source.

I hadn't seen this, MonkeyFunk -- thanks for posting it.

How good it would be to see a healthy economy framed on the global idea of dignity-in-life for people instead of which candidate would "be good for the economy."

In 1968, Robert F. Kennedy said,

“The gross national product is rising above $800 billion a year but that figure does not measure the health of our youth, the quality of their education or the joy of their play. It does not measure the beauty of our poetry or the strength of our marriages, the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials. It measures everything, in short, except that which makes life worthwhile.”


Adjusting the figures to our current global economy, RFK's point still stands, I think. The reporters and analysts who worked that piece for Bloomberg/LA Times should maybe put down their calendars and go outside and sit next to a stand of spring tulips.

Using Robert Kennedy's criteria, IMO McCain STILL finishes last!

[hokies4ever]

21. Sexism? How come Hillary gets the 'R' in HRC

Her middle initial is more special than everybody else's?

[cd3dem]

25. BRO vs. HRC: how is it sexism when a woman holds onto her maiden name?

Perhaps BO should add his wife's maiden name to his! Then he would be BRO

[hokies4ever]

26. BRO!

Hehe, I like it! :rofl:

Also, my other post was sarcastic, since it was responding to a poster who cries 'sexism' about 10 times a day on this site.

[MonkeyFunk]

32. I do?

:shrug:

News to me!

When people were calling her bitch and cunt, yeah, I spoke up. But my call out of sexism is about 1% of the average Obama supporter's call out of racism. And when I do it, there's evidence of real sexism.

[hokies4ever]

50. Did somebody's candidate lose?

:cry: :cry: :cry:

hehe :rofl:

[MonkeyFunk]

31. Because if I refer to his middle name

you guys have a cow. If I don't refer to it, you have a cow.

Clinton is commonly called "Hillary Rodham-Clinton". Obama is commonly called "Barack Obama".

Anybody who objects to this is just being a prick.

[Bonobo]

24. You seriously think, now and in the future, we should choose our candidate by polling?

If that is your argument, come right out and say it.

It seems that is what you are advocating.

[MonkeyFunk]

33. You're bad at reading minds

I posted some numbers. You invented the rest.

[Bonobo]

38. I'm dumb. Please explain your argument behind the numbers (if there is one) nt

[MonkeyFunk]

40. I didn't make an argument

I posted the numbers for discussion. It's what we do here, discuss politics. Voters think Clinton would be better on the economy than McCain or Obama. What do you think about that?

[Bonobo]

49. I think it is impossible to say since it is really a function of listening to economic advisors and

so far it looks like Hillary doesn't like to take the advice of Economists before making a decision.

[rodeodance]

34. ha ha Sour grapes is your 'argument" ha ha

[Freedom Train]

28. K&R

[MarjorieG]

37. Meaningless. Media reinforces Clinton brand; voters unaware of economists favoring Barack.

[chill_wind]

42. And yet-----

Pres '08 (D)

May 10 GallupObama 49%, Clinton 44% Pres '08 (D)
May 10 RasmussenObama 48%, Clinton 43% Pres '08 (D)
May 9 Hotline/DiageoObama 48%, Clinton 37% Pres '08 (D)
May 9 GallupObama 48%, Clinton 46% Pres '08 (D)
May 9 RasmussenObama 50%, Clinton 42% Pres '08 (D)
May 8 GallupObama 47%, Clinton 46% Pres '08 (D)
May 8 RasmussenObama 47%, Clinton 43% Pres '08 (D)
May 7 GallupObama 47%, Clinton 46% Pres '08 (D)
May 7 RasmussenObama 47%, Clinton 43% Pres '08 (D)
May 6 GallupObama 48%, Clinton 46%

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/pres_08_d/

[MonkeyFunk]

47. The same Bloomberg poll

shows Clinton beating McCain by 3 more points than Obama.

[Bluebear]

43. Sweet! Democrats = 58%, McCain 23%

[killbotfactory]

44. I'm sure this is based on extensive research into their positions

and not remembering the days of the Clinton white house with rose colored glasses.

[Hansel]

45. If Clinton is only getting 32% as being best for the economy I think she

is in big trouble. Considering the prosperity that take place in the 90's I would expect her to grab closer to 50%. This should have been her strongest attribute by far.

[MonkeyFunk]

48. lol

yet she polls better than Obama and McCain. You guys are funny.