New Bloomberg/La Times poll: HRC over McCain 47/38, BO 46/40

[MonkeyFunk]

Being discussed on MSNBC now.

[Hailtothechimp]

1. It's over. Capishe?

None of the polls are going to change this fact.

The only number that matters now is 2,024. He will get it, and she will not.

[MonkeyFunk]

4. He probably will

unless she can convince the superdelegates that she's the better candidate. This is an argument for that position.

[Hailtothechimp]

6. Any superdelegate who trades a poll for the actual VOTE totals..

isn't so super, it appears to me.

[MonkeyFunk]

8. Well

then let's wait 'til all the votes are in, ok?

[Hailtothechimp]

16. I think 45 states and assorted territories have established a trend

and it ain't so good for Hillary. But if Kentucky and West Virginia are enough to overturn it, just go right ahead with that delusion.

[datopbanana]

7. THIS poll is not an argument. Go to poll reading 101.

[MonkeyFunk]

10. LOL

Well it's certainly not an argument that Obama's a stronger candidate!

[datopbanana]

13. So HRC should get the NOM cause they are equally as strong against mccain?

Now that's an argument that will persuade the supers.

[MonkeyFunk]

15. But they're not equally strong

Clinton does better.

[MattBaggins]

18. Margin of error

is not something you spread on your toast.

[MonkeyFunk]

21. Margin of error

doesn't mean it's likely they're tied. You should understand the concept better.

[datopbanana]

23. wow.

[MattBaggins]

25. Is this where we swing our e-peens around

and see who took more courses in statistics? Or is this where we try to paint the other as a liar?

You are a Hillary supporter what do you recommend?

[MonkeyFunk]

26. Do you really believe

the results as posted indicate that the most likely reality is that they're evenly tied?

[datopbanana]

29. Do you know anything about MOE?

[MonkeyFunk]

41. Yes

do you believe that the polls numbers show that it is most likely that they are actually tied?

[datopbanana]

19. MOE

jesussssssssss

[my3boyz]

49. If you think the supers are going to overturn the votes because

she polls slightly better than Obama then you are insane. If it showed him losing BIG TIME (and I mean landslide for McCain) then I'm sure they would think twice. However, they would not do that for ONE poll that shows her doing slightly better.

[WonderGrunion]

70. But Obama still beats McCain

So why saddle our party with Clinton's negatives?

[rodeodance]

33. epic fail

[Joe the Revelator]

50. Look at you jumping on another bandwagon years too late

If you're going to try to use these cutesy internet memes, make sure you use them correctly.

[cali]

20. How's that been going for your girl?

SDs have largely decided. Some are holding off so it doesn't seem that Hillary is being forced out before all the voting is done.

[cliffordu]

55. LOL -

That's some funny shit, man.

[wileedog]

71. Not a particularly good one

They both are beating McCain. The fact that she has a light edge (within MOE and with more undecideds) doesn't really strengthen the argument to overturn the vote.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-poll10-2008may10,0,6816866.story

[OzarkDem]

2. So why is she being pushed out of the race?

Surely not because corporate America wants to determine the outcome of the election. Nah, that would never happen.

The voting public doesn't seem to have gotten the message from the powers behind the Obama throne.

[NWHarkness]

5. PeeWee Herman would be leading McCain at this point n/t

[PBS Poll-435]

65. I thought he was. Tall? Check. Skinny? Check. Interesting attire? Check. Fun Friends? Check.

:hide:

[Jersey Devil]

39. What in the world are you talking about?

Obama leads in elected delegates, super delegates, states won, the popular vote. What "voting public" are you talking about that the vast conspiracy of corporate America is ignoring?

[datopbanana]

3. If your point is that they are tied, then okay. If your point is she does better, you forgot MOE.

[MattBaggins]

9. Shhhh it is coming from Monkey Funk

If MF posts it take it with a grain of salt. It is either misleading or an outright lie.

[MonkeyFunk]

12. Nah

I'm not one of the Obama fans. The facts I post have the benefit of being true.

[datopbanana]

14. In this case, it's pointless.

[MattBaggins]

17. Polls are measurements of opinion

and far from being facts. Being that you are a Hillary supporter I can understand your confusion.

[MonkeyFunk]

22. The numbers I posted

are the numbers from the poll, as presented on MSNBC. I didn't make them up.

Your accusation is unfounded - I don't post lies here. You may disagree with my positions, but when I post a factual item, it's real. I'm not an Obama fan.

[datopbanana]

24. Your interpretation is far from fact.

[MonkeyFunk]

27. What interpretation is there in the OP?

I justed posted the numbers and said where I got them. You're being ridiculous.

[datopbanana]

28. MonkeyFunk: "But they're not equally strong" "Clinton does better"

You are being intentionally stupid (at least I hope it is intentional)

[rodeodance]

37. MF is right.

[MonkeyFunk]

43. That's not much of an interpretation

it's what the numbers show.

Not all results within the margin of error are equally likely.

It is NOT most likely that they are really tied. It is most likely that she is, in fact, ahead.

[Maddy McCall]

51. What gives you that idea? He's one of the most objective posters in GDP.

[Forkboy]

11. I'd say it's a great sign that both are beating him without anyone really attacking him yet.

[skipos]

30. So she is lying when she says Obama can't win?

What else is new?

[IsItJustMe]

40. She is a politician playing a poor hand. I call it bull shit.

[MonkeyFunk]

44. No

you're lying when you say she said he can't win.

[skipos]

54. You are right, Hillary is running around telling every one that Obama can win

my ears just deceive me sometimes. Those Clintons are an honest bunch, and team players to boot.

[jefferson_dem]

31. So as we head into the General, our nominee is up by six points.

Not bad.

[Colobo]

32. So Obama whoops McCrazy too? Great!

[Upton]

34. Why put Clinton's percentage up there?

In terms of the GE, she's obviously no longer relevant.

[TwilightGardener]

45. Because Monkey thinks the SD's will snatch the nomination away from Obama

on the basis of a poll that shows Hillary doing somewhat better than McCain. If polls decided nominations, Hillary would have been handed the crown last October, when she was twenty or thirty points ahead of everyone else.

[MonkeyFunk]

47. Don't presume to know what Monkeyfunk thinks

I posted it because it's relevant to all the discussions going on here in GDP these days. If you don't like it, hide the thread.

[MonkeyFunk]

46. We're discussing the primaries here still

much to your dismay, I'm sure.

[rodeodance]

35. REC and thanks for the post-drats missed the discussion but glad it was discussed.

[PDittie]

36. Maybe McLame will name her his Veep

because that's as close as she is getting to the White House this cycle.

[pnorman]

38. Lieberman over McCain 49/39? Try that!

If getting a "Democrat" into the White House is all that matters, then how does THAT grab you?

pnorman

[TwilightGardener]

42. Jesus, you're just sad.

[MonkeyFunk]

48. Why?

Because I post a poll whose results you don't like?

It was being heavily discussed on MSNBC, and it's relevant to the discussions we've been having here for months. Whining about it is what's sad.

[Maddy McCall]

53. Much more relevant than some of the shit that's posted in here.

K/R

[MadBadger]

52. Poll taken May 1-8. Id like to see how 1-6 differs frm 7-8

[PBS Poll-435]

56. Excuse Me

Your sig pic does not fall within the rules.

Please fix it or remove it.

Thanks.

[datopbanana]

58. It falls within HILARIOUS

It's my new sig line.

[PBS Poll-435]

59. The image exceeds 20 kilobytes.

And looks like it has been smeared in Vaseline.

[PBS Poll-435]

60. So you are hotlinking someone else's pic?

Very frowned upon.

[datopbanana]

61. no use this link. its under 20kb

[PBS Poll-435]

62. You fixed it. Except for the Vaseline,

Of course.

[datopbanana]

63. it keeps the image moist and fresh

[PBS Poll-435]

64. So it isn't part of your sig line...

And can't you un-blur the image and keep it under 20k?

[datopbanana]

67. I could try but i'm happy with it as is, for now.

[PBS Poll-435]

68. So...back to hot-linking...

Classy

[datopbanana]

69. oh had the wrong one. thanks

[PBS Poll-435]

57. Why does McCain's support "harden-up" when Obama is his opponent?

N/T

K/R

[Warren DeMontague]

66. So does that mean that 1% of Americans are "hard working whites", or 2%?

I'm confused. :shrug: