I personally think calling a presidential candidate a terrorist

[mmonk]

is dangerous given how many sick people there are in America right now. I think having that in conjuction with the racism card is going to keep me away for awhile. I plan a post tomorrow (a positive one), then I think I'm taking a vacation for awhile. Try to keep the hatred out of your heart. I know I have a hard time with that at times.

[rug]

1. How about calling a Democratic presidential candidate a racist?

[Warren Stupidity]

3. "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans" nt

[rug]

4. And?

[Warren Stupidity]

5. and I have no explanation for that comment

other than racism. If the Clintons aren't racist then they are at a minimum willing to exploit racism for their political advantage. I find little difference between a racist and a person who uses racism.

[rug]

7. Well then, your name suits you.

Stating Obama has problems getting the white vote and that Clinton has problems getting the black vote does not equal racism.

[Warren Stupidity]

9. shiftless, lazy Americans, black Americans

working, hard-working Americans, white Americans

If you cannot see the problem with her comment then you are willfully blind.

[rug]

11. That headline is yours, not Clinton's.

Bending over to search for nonexistent problems is not the best way to correct real problems.

[Warren Stupidity]

17. That headline simply inverts her statement

and in doing so makes obvious what the problem is with what she said.

working, hard-working Americans, white Americans
shiftless, lazy Americans, black Americans

[rug]

19. No, that headline inserts racism into a non-racist statement.

Good work.

[Warren Stupidity]

21. how so?

How is one of those phrases racist and the other not? Please explain.

[rug]

23. "shiftless, lazy Americans, black Americans". You tell me.

[Warren Stupidity]

40. "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans" you tell me

Either they both mean what they obviously mean and are racist statements, or they are both just groups of indepenent phrases that have no relation to each other.

The implication of Clinton's racist spew was that white americans are the hard working americans, other americans: not so hard working. She intended exactly that meaning with her deliberate phrasing. The implication of my racist spew, uttered to establish that this sort of phrasing has a clear inferential meaning, is that black americans are lazy americans, other americans: not so lazy.

[rodeodance]

20. NO one said that except YOU

[Warren Stupidity]

22. Yes that is true. Did you have a point?

Clinton: working, hard-working Americans, white Americans

Stupidity: shiftless, lazy Americans, black Americans

How many of those phrases express a racist sentiment?

[rodeodance]

24. point is do not blame it onto Clinton--as you said those words--NOT her.

[Warren Stupidity]

41. her words have a clear intent - as my words demonstrate.

[babylonsister]

6. If it walks like a duck...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5899563

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x358076

[rug]

10. Sorry, bablylon, GDP links are feeble evidence.

Conason and Robinson are entitled to their opinions but this is a far cry from racism.

[babylonsister]

12. So no one's opinion but your own counts; gotcha. nt

[rug]

13. Yeah, that's exactly what I said. Good comprehension skills.

:thumbsup:

[babylonsister]

15. That's exactly what you implied. nt

[rug]

16. Au contraire, it's your inference.

[Exilednight]

29. That sounds like a Rush talking point everytime someone calls him out for saying .........

something he knows is wrong. "It's not my words, it's your understanding of my words." It's bullshit. We have a language that contains words with a mutually agreed on meaning. You can parse and phrase all you want, but it's quite obvious that you have no problem dismissing peoples opinions that you do not agree with. Gee, I wonder who else does this? Oh yeah, that's right, rightwing talk radio.

[rug]

30. Stop listening to Limbaugh and read the post.

It's not that many words.

[Exilednight]

32. You called their opinions "feeble evidence", which is nothing more than your opinion. ..........

I will say this about the opinions that you call "feeble evidence". They use logic, reason, and historical reference to make an informed opinion.

You give us, "GDP links are feeble evidence", followed by, "it's not me, it's you".

It's easy to see who puts thought into their opinions, and those who don't.

[rug]

33. Opinions versus opinions is feeble evidence.

And it's worse when you use that as evidence for an outrageous assertion that a Democratic presidential candidate is racist, despite all historical evidence to the contrary.

When it's done to make cheap political points, it's not only feeble but dishonest, misleading and divisive.

Oh, as to your attempt at personal attack, your mother. . .

[Exilednight]

35. My mother was a good woman, may she Rest in Peace. n/t

[Buzz Clik]

28. I've had your sorry butt on my ignore list for over a month.

Get the hell back in the dungeon, you silly Hilly disruptor.

[mmonk]

34. My response to you is I'm talking about something else.

The rightwing in this country is going to push what I think is somewhat dangerous or unhealthy thinking. There are some sick people out there that take these themes to heart.

[Kolesar]

2. Who called who a terrorist? eom

[TeamsterDem]

8. Was wondering that same thing n/t

[mmonk]

14. Recurring theme that Obama is linked to terrorism

from Hamas to Ayers. (along with being Muslim before having a "radical black preacher" that "hates America") This kind of stuff is a theme in red America. Pretty sad when it's a recurring theme in our party as well.

[rodeodance]

18. Referring to a candidate as a traitor is also WRONG

[Doityourself]

25. Well, the Clinton Camp had no problem referring to Richardson as such..did they? Judas=Traitor.

That's from your girls' camp and she certainly didn't refute it.

[mmonk]

31. While that may have been in bad taste, that's not what I'm talking about.

That's more of a loyalty thing with the Clintons.

[Doityourself]

39. I was addressing Rodeo's post, not yours

[madrchsod]

26. he is....i just read it again this morning

and at least twice yesterday....i know these posters are very concerned so i asked them to call the fbi with their information...i thought it was the best thing they could do for america....

[mmonk]

27. Let me make it clear I'm not blaming this on the Clintons.

This is a theme the right was going to go with a long time ago. There really are crazies out there. Therefore, I think it's a dangerous theme to push. I run into a lot of people that fall for this kind of thing. I also know there are a lot of people that listen to Hannity and such and get all riled up with hatred in the hearts. I can't keep people from using those themes but I can ask.

[frickaline]

36. are you referring to recent comments by McCain attempting to link Obama to hamas

or something else? You are alluding to something inside the democratic party but I am unaware of the event you allude to. Do you have a source link?

[K Gardner]

37. Maybe he's referring to the multiple repeated posts HERE linking Obama w/ Hamas

It is disgusting, but evidently permissible at Democratic Underground.

[frickaline]

38. wow ... I totally missed those, not that I'm unhappy about that