If Jack and Bobby had not been assassinated the Clintons wouldn't even be on the radar.

[dailykoff]

Yes, the Clintons are Democrats, nominally at least, and Bill was the last Dem president, so they're owed a certain amount of tribute, which they've collected and squandered twenty times over already. But their cowardly policies and wretched campaigns are no standard any Dem should aspire to. They were permitted to govern for eight years only by colluding and collaborating with their alleged enemies and in the end they wound up doing most of what Dumya has been doing only on a smaller scale.

And now we see just what thugs they've always been. Hillary doesn't have Bill's personality, so it's a little more obvious, but she's clearly expecting something "extraordinary" to save her bacon and we can all guess what it is. The fact that she bet 11 million dollars on such a contingency is another sign of their moral bankruptcy.

We'd have a much higher benchmark had the Kennedy brothers not been eliminated and now that we finally have a candidate to replace them it's time to bid the Clintons an overdue farewell and kick them off the national stage forever. They're done.

[BOHICA06]

1. Imagine Jack & Bobby in the post Nixon media ...

... and the 24hr news cycle. They'd be back on Cape Cod in no time .... chased by their own personal indiscretions.

[dailykoff]

6. Yes but it's a little more complicated than that.

The "media" turned on Nixon only after he pulled the plug on Vietnam. JFK got shot days after issuing orders to start ratcheting down US involvement in Indochina. LBJ lived to a ripe old age by keeping the war machine humming just like Halliburton paid him to.

In other words, the media in its current configuration is just another face of the thugs Kennedy was going after in the first place.

[99th_Monkey]

29. Nicely said. You may want to check out this post ... GObama.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5905595&mesg_id=5905595

[nichomachus]

33. Except, of course

if JFK, RFK, and MLK hadn't been murdered, there would have been no Nixon. It was only the furthering of the fascist agenda that allowed Nixon the traitor to get into office.

Had JFK ended the Vietnam War, as he wanted to, it wouldn't have allowed Nixon to get the North Vietnamese to abandon peace talks. Tens of thousands of American lives would have been saved.

[VolcanoJen]

39. Something tells me we would have discovered a lot more GOP "wide stancers" if that were the case.

:-)

[TheDebbieDee]

2. And you saw this in your crystal ball, did you?

[dailykoff]

12. Why do you think Obama is doing so well

with his two African names and crazy pastor? People know the real thing when they see it and he's got it. The Kennedys had it too. Listen to the old speeches. It wasn't for nothing that Bobby was winning in 68.

[TheDebbieDee]

45. I was merely pointing out that you were presenting speculation

and supposition as fact! As though in some alternate universe, things/events have unfolded just as you say they have.

That's what I meant by the crystal ball comment.

[BlueJac]

17. You are not a liberal.....

You are a Clintonista of todays world, and that is a Republican Lite. I actually feel sorry for someone who is so blind to the liberal cause and is so polarizing. You could of never lived in that time. It is so sad what you have become.

[TheDebbieDee]

46. Please see my subsequent post # 45...........

I didn't intend to solicit your torrent of hate and name-calling, I just questioned the presentation of the OP's "facts".

[BlueJac]

20. delete

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. One can rhapsodize about what might have been, since we'll

never know what might actually have happened.

[K Gardner]

4. Well, tonight on Larry King, the Clinton Surrogates, said "ANYTHING.. ANYTHING CAN

HAPPEN!" In addition to a long discussion about how white people would never vote for a black man, i.e., the Bradley Effect.

[dailykoff]

8. Chilling isn't it.

But I strongly suspect that's been the expectation all along.

[qijackie]

5. If they hadn't been assassinated, they wouldn't be folk heroes.

[99th_Monkey]

32. Well, they may not be folk heros, but we'd be in much better shape as a nation had they lived

to a ripe old age, I'll guarantee you that.

[LibraLiz1973]

7. but she's clearly expecting something "extraordinary" to save her bacon and we can all guess ....

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

PLEASE- SERIOUSLY, PLEASE!!! FUCKING TELL ME THAT YOU ARE NOT SAYING THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE OBAMA ASSASSINATED?
BECAUSE THAT WILL BE THE SINGLE MOST RIDICULOUS FUCKING THING I HAVE EVER HEARD.

[dailykoff]

9. You guessed wrong,

so you can turn off your caps key now.

[LibraLiz1973]

10. That's a fucking relief.

Now the post is just silly, not crazy.

[murielm99]

25. This is an incredibly stupid post.

You need to step away from your computer.

[99th_Monkey]

35. Who the f*ck knows what she's talking about. Sadly, we're only left to guess.

But the Clinton's cozy relationship with Papa Bush has not gone unnoticed.

and it's become painfully obvious that Hillary's not counting on winning the nomination honorably and
fairly according to the rules.

She's looking more and more like a vulture everyday, hoping against hope that something awful happens
to Barak.

You may want to employ that cap-lock button again, but first please read my OP at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5905595&mesg_id=5905595

[Ichingcarpenter]

11. John F. Kennedy Jr. Probably would have run for President in 2004

and won, he was 38 when he 'died' in 1999.




John jr. speaking before the 88 Democratic Convention

[dailykoff]

19. Guess we don't have to worry about that.

:mad:

[Mooney]

23. Why do you put the word "died" in quotes?

Are you saying that he isn't actually dead?

[Ichingcarpenter]

31. I'm saying it wasn't an accidental death n/t

[Mooney]

36. I always suspected that it was an act of seppuku.

[TragedyandHope]

13. I keep thinking, "What have you done with the real Clintons?"

[doc03]

14. I remember JFK and RFK and Obama couldn't

carry either ones lunch.

[dailykoff]

16. Bill was frequently compared to Kennedy in 92.

It didn't really bother me until I realized he was playing us for suckers but that was only much later.

[doc03]

21. JFK wouldn't even recognize the Democratic party of today

by today's standards he would be considered a very conservative Democrat at best. Even further right than the DLC you all always rant about.


on edit: He may have been the Joe Lieberman or Zell Miller of today.

[dailykoff]

24. He ran as a cold warrior against Nixon, that's true,

but I don't think was conservative. He didn't blow Cuba to smithereens for one thing. For another he bucked the CIA and that's what's been keeping the military-industrial complex on life support since the end of WWII and the GOP is basically a PR function of the MIC.

[doc03]

27. He ran as a cold warrior, his theme was there was a

missile-gap with the USSR that we found out years later never existed, sort of the WMDs of that time. He planed the invasion of the Bay of Pigs then at the last minute pulled out and let the liberators get killed on the beach. He came within a hair of totally destroying the entire world in a nuclear war. He was the original supply side economics guy cutting tax on the rich to stimulate the economy.

[dailykoff]

30. Remember the line about riding the tiger in his inaugural address?

"remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside"? I've always understood that as a rebuke of the the Soviet Union for trying to out-missile us but also as a promise that he wouldn't do the same. And the Bay of Pigs was Eisenhower's baby, or at least Ike signed off on it. The CIA hustled JFK just like I suspect they hustled Clinton on the first Trade Center bombing.

[doc03]

34. I remember JFK as the first MSM darling they just loved the guy

His press conferences were great, he had an unbelievable wit he could get a laugh even when talking about the most serious subject. I also remember the Republicans absolutely hated him.

[dailykoff]

40. Yeah he had the media in his pocket didn't he.

I suspect Joe had a lot to do with that. Well those days are over and that's one reason I think Obama is in certain ways an even better candidate, because he's had to get by without the media on his side. Hopefully he can get that fixed when he's in office but that means getting the CIA out of the media business and that's going to be tough.

[gauguin57]

15. Jack might have died young. He was very sick and on all kinds of pills we didn't know about

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/july-dec02/jfk_11-18.html

DR. JEFFREY KELMAN: John Kennedy was sick from age 13 on. In 1930, when he was 13, he developed abdominal pain. By 1934 he was sent to the Mayo Clinic where they diagnosed colitis or it was called colitis. By 1940 his back started hurting him, by 1944 he had his first back operation, by 1947 he was officially diagnosed as having Addison's Disease.

And he was basically sick from then on through the rest of his life. He had two back operations, in '54 and '55, which failed. And he needed chronic pain medication from '55 through his White House years, until he died in Dallas. He was never healthy. I mean, the image you get of vigor and progressive health wasn't true. He was playing through pain most of the presidency.


DR. JEFFREY KELMAN: By the time he was president, he was on ten, 12 medications a day. He was on antispasmodics for his bowel, paregoric, lamodal transatine , he was on muscle relaxants, Phenobarbital, Librium, Meprobomate, he was on pain medications, Codeine, Demerol, Methadone, he was on oral cortisone; he was on injected cortisone, he was on testosterone, he was on Nembutal for sleep. And on top of that he was getting injected sometimes six times a day, six places on his back, by the White House physician, with Novocain, Procaine, just to enable him to face the day.

[dailykoff]

18. Can't wait to find out what Junior's been injecting.

He's so paranoid of us finding out he takes his crap home with him when he travels out of the country.

[Hippo_Tron]

22. I'm kinda curious how he got through military service with all of those health problems

[gauguin57]

28. ... and, frankly (not to be crude, but ...) how he had all those affairs while on so many meds

and always in so much pain, back and otherwise.

[Robeson]

43. Never-the-less, his health problems were a fact.....

...Gore Vidal chronicles them in many essays. Others have too.

[ccharles000]

26. The Clinton's are wonderful people.

[RC]

37. I'll be so glad when she goes away.

[Catherine Vincent]

38. And how would you know this?

[dailykoff]

41. The Clintons always seemed like a cut-down version of the Kennedys,

kind of a WalMart knock-off, and I don't think they would have hit the big time if the genuine article was available.

[Catherine Vincent]

42. Okay, I forget.

This is just your opinion.

[dailykoff]

44. Yes, my opinion. Maybe I should have said that.

:)