New Hillary Ad Stars Joe Wilson And Valerie Plame (oregon)~"If you care about ending the war,"

[rodeodance]

YEAH JOE and Valerie




New Hillary Ad Stars Joe Wilson And Valerie Plame

By Greg Sargent - May 9, 2008, 4:08PM

Hillary has a new ad for Oregon starring anti-Bush and anti-war heroes Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame...

WATCH THE YOUTUBE HERE!

The use of the Wilsons, who are revered among anti-war rank-and-file Dems, is designed to appeal to the large, young activist population in Oregon.

"If you care about ending the war," Plame says, "we urge you to join us in supporting Hillary Clinton for president."


http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/new_hillary_ad_stars_joe_wilso.php


and thanks for the link to the tube"

Topic subject Here's the link
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5910551#5910605
5910605, Here's the link
Posted by pirhana on Fri May-09-08 09:55 PM

&t=OEgsToPDskJUNOvig3Z8hcHYzTydG4UF&hl=en

[GarbagemanLB]

1. Who better to end the war than the one who helped start it?

As an Oregonian, she would put her money to better use building up her margin in West Virginia and Kentucky. She is losing this state.

[rodeodance]

4. YEAH JOE and Valerie

[Patchuli]

31. So if HRC is going to "end this war"

because it was a royal f*ck-up, then why can she not ADMIT IT SHE F*CKED UP BY VOTING FOR IT AND SAY I'M SORRY? Please use some logic, OK?

*edit for clarity

[rodeodance]

77. she has said she has regreted that vote. And yes. she WILL end it.

[jenmito]

84. Did she? Or did she simply say, when pressed, she'd like to have that vote back?

[Patchuli]

87. Do you have a link for that

or is it just your wishful thinking?

[Patchuli]

91. I didn't think you had any proof

As usual, you make these broad pronouncements that you can't back up.

Dismissed...

[Gore1FL]

106. I think she would end it.

The only one who wouldn't is McCain.

[Zhade]

107. How? She's not going to be the nominee or VP.

NT!

[MirrorAshes]

10. yeah. doesn't quite add up does it? are they trying to say Obama won't end it?

this is misleading as all-get-out.

[mod mom]

13. I think they forgot to mention her IWR and her Kyl Lieberman vote.

[rodeodance]

18. K-L bill. Obama was to chicken to show up to vote .

[zulchzulu]

23. So who the fuck decided to vote FOR IT?

The LOSER.

It's over. Keep playing basketball after the game is over and the audience is leaving. Just turn off the lights when you're done.

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

46. Who the f**** decided to fund it. ----the ENABLER --obama.

[Emit]

113. Clinton voted for it and repeatedly voted to fund it

What is your problem? Obama has consistently been against the war. You so badly want to find fault in him because you can't handle the fact that your candidate voted for it, still stands by her vote, has never apologized for her vote and continued to fund it AND she voted for the Kyle/Lieberman Amendment.

Deal with it. Stop spreading lies.

[mod mom]

26. Hillary DID vote for it even after listening to respected military officer/Senator Jim Webb give

this impassioned speech (THE VIDEO IS AT THE LINK AND WORTH WATCHING!!):

Sen. Webb blasts Lieberman/Kyl Amendment: “This proposal is Dick Cheney’s fondest pipe dream”

By: John Amato on Tuesday, September 25th, 2007 at 12:30 PM - PDT

Webb: We are about to vote on something that may fundamentally change the way that the United States views the Iranian military, and we haven’t had one hearing. This is not the way to make foreign policy. It’s not the way to declare war, although this cleverly worded sense of the Congress could be interpreted that way.

Those who regret their vote five years ago to authorize military action in Iraq should think hard before supporting this approach, because in my view, it has the same potential to do harm where many are seeking to do good. The constant turmoil that these sorts of proposals and actions are bringing to the region is counterproductive. They are regrettable substitute for a failure of diplomacy by this Administration.

I do not believe that any serious student of foreign policy could support this amendment as it now exists.

This proposal is Dick Cheney’s fondest pipe dream. It’s not a prescription for success. At best, it’s a deliberate attempt to divert attention from a failed diplomatic policy. At worst, it could be read as a back door method of gaining congressional validation for action with one hearing or without serious debate.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/25/sen-webb-blasts-liebermankyl-amendment-this-proposal-is-dick-cheneys-fondest-pipe-dream/

[rodeodance]

47. old 'news'

[AtomicKitten]

64. ah "old news" -- that reminds me of Schwarzenegger

When Lumpy was running to replace Gray Davis here in California, his history of groping women reared its ugly head. He called a press conference and apologized and said he would answer more questions after the election. I recall after the election, he was on stage somewhere here in California and as he walked off stage a reporter yelled a question to him about dishing on his groping. Schwarzenegger turned his head and said "old news," and with a smug look on his face walked off the stage.

So, um, her YEAH WAR votes are old news? Really?

That kind of flippant disregard/disrespect for peace and all those who have died as a result of Hillary abdicating her Constitutionally mandated war-declaring powers to an idiot is precisely why Hillary will never have the opportunity to answer the red phone at 3:00 A.M.

Blessed be the peacemakers and that ain't her.

We have our nominee and that also ain't her. Time for you to pull up your socks and get over it. Your pointless and pathetic posturing here at DU is becoming tiresome, at best.

[Zhade]

108. Yes, rabidly delusional clinton supporters do term facts "old news".

The funny thing is, the rest of reality doesn't care about your false designation.

[Joe Bacon]

86. Like we really trust Bomb Bomb Iran Hill-Billy

Hill-Billy has made it quite clear that she wants to bomb Iran off the face of the earth in a manner that excites sicko John Hagee. No thanks.

[gateley]

2. No link - but I'd like to see it.

I really like them both a lot!

[rodeodance]

edited to add. sorry i forgot it.

[gateley]

16. Thanks - got it. nt

[MirrorAshes]

3. you forgot the link. and of course they are supporting her.

not exactly a monumental endorsement.

[rodeodance]

6. Great to have them on board for this NEW ad in OREGON. link added

[jillan]

5. Here's the link

&t=OEgsToPDskJUNOvig3Z8hcHYzTydG4UF&hl=en

[rodeodance]

8. thanks. i added it to the OP

[gateley]

7. They did a great job -- very impressive.

Of course I don't agree with their assessment (I support Obama), but they are excellent spokespeople for her. One of the best ads I've seen from both candidates.

[rodeodance]

11. thanks gately. it is a good ad.

[tabatha]

9. I added a comment to the Youtube video.

It has not been approved (was censored).

The message was "It would have been better if Hillary had not approved the war in the first place".

[rodeodance]

12. what a sweetie pie you are.

[tabatha]

56. Actually, no.

I am not a sweetie pie.

I think about what is happening to Iraqi innocents every single day - and feel absolutely terrible and guilty. I try to live a normal life - but I know it is at the expense of the soldiers and the Iraqis who were all duped by the Bush criminal enterprise.

And, for all of the big fuss the Wilsons made about the war and that Bush's claims were illegal - where was Hillary then - and why do they support her now. It makes absolutely no sense.

[rodeodance]

103. i was being sarcastic.

[Zhade]

109. You waste time with sarcasm on people, the other poster spends time caring about Iraqis.

I'll side with Tabatha's compassion over your heartlessness any day of the fucking week.

[Raine1967]

15. Was thinking that

as I read the OP.

[OzarkDem]

74. Except she didn't

I can't decide if Obama supporters are simply ignorant or dishonest when they use this talking point. Maybe a little of both.

[Mooney]

94. Do you really feel like she shouldn't be held responsible for her vote?

[Zhade]

111. ...says the person who denies the video evidence that proves clinton lied about Tuzla.

Do you have carry the mistaken impression that you still retain a shred of credibility?

[MirrorAshes]

14. anyone else having trouble getting these vids to load?

im a great admirer of the Wilsons and respect their support for Hillary so I do want to watch the ad, regardless of my other comments here.

[rodeodance]

20. Did you try both links in the OP?

[MirrorAshes]

32. working now. must have been something on my end. n/t

[rodeodance]

44. thanks--glad it was resolved

[kikiek]

17. She is the only one committed to ending it. Don't bother trying to tell me she

started it. That convoluted thinking is childish. Obama's claim he was against it, but then decided it was ok to fund it is pathetic. Anyone who tries to claim he is more antiwar than Hillary ignores the facts.

[rodeodance]

19. and there was the time he pandered and said he agreeded with Bush on the war.

[kikiek]

22. That is right! And he says he will pattern his foreign policies after Bush I.

Ignoring the love and admiration President Clinton managed to cultivate with his foreign policy record.

[MirrorAshes]

35. umm, got a link for that?

'cause im pretty sure it'd be common knowledge by now if Obama had ever said that.

[rodeodance]

41. seems you are not into the well known common knowledge. Now you know.

[MirrorAshes]

52. No, I don't, because nobody has offered a shred of evidence.

Or even alluded to any. Common knowledge ought to be easy enough to provide a link for, right? if its so common?

[rodeodance]

76. your google skils need to be worked on--If your even tried. Have you?

[Emit]

101. "well known common knowledge"?

a tired phrase from you for half-truths, innuendos and plain old falsehoods

[Emit]

98. see post #97

[BklnDem75]

80. I'd like a link, too...

so I won't go thinking you like to make stuff up. Thanks. :)

[Emit]

99. see post #97

[Emit]

97. And once again, you have your facts incorrect -- Here are the links to your claim, since you can't

be truthful in your assertions, I will set the record straight once again, although this is getting tiresome with you:

I just came from a Bill Clinton town hall meeting in Peterborough. The news nugget out of the meeting was his attack on Barack Obama for alleged inconsistency over the Iraq war. The former president reminded his audience that Obama had made a big deal out of a 2002 speech opposing the invasion of Iraq. ... Clinton then expressed surprise that Obama has been allowed to get away with a statement in 2004, "at the Democratic Convention," saying that there was "not much difference" between him and George W. Bush on Iraq. He also quoted Obama as saying that he "did not know" how he would have voted on the now-contentious 2002 Senate resolution authorizing military action in Iraq, had he been in the Senate at the time.

The way Clinton said all this, it sounded as if these statements were part of Obama's big speech to the convention, which marked his introduction to big-time politics. In fact, they are somewhat misleading snippets from newspaper interviews that Obama gave before the convention.

As the keynote speaker, Obama was trying to be loyal to the Democratic nominees, John Kerry and John Edwards, both of whom had voted in favor of the war authorization resolution, along with Hillary Clinton. In an interview reported by the New York Times on July 26, on the first day of the convention, he reiterated his opposition to the war but declined to criticize Kerry and Edwards, saying he was "not privy to Senate intelligence reports."

He then continued: "What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made."

(The Clinton campaign left out that important last sentence when it e-mailed reporters with backup material for the inconsistency claim, which was also made by Hillary Clinton in the televised debate Saturday night.)

In an interview published in the Chicago Tribune the following day (July 27,2004), Obama said that he would have voted "no" on the Senate resolution. But he said he was not in favor of "pulling out now." On the issue of whether to stay in Iraq , he said "there's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage." The context of his remarks makes clear that he was not referring to the original decision to go into Iraq, but the question of whether to remain.

His views on whether to stay in Iraq have changed, of course, as he now advocates a phased withdrawal.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/01/obama_and_iraq.html



Later that year in November 2004 appearing on The Charlie Rose Show, Obama made it clear that had he been in the Senate at the time, he would have voted against the resolution:

~snip~

CHARLIE ROSE: On Iraq, you opposed, made no question about it. Would the Democratic Party have been better off if a candidate had from the beginning opposed the war? Would that have been a winning political position in 2004, whether it was Howard Dean or not? I mean, Howard Dean, who has been a great guest on this program, but Howard Dean had a controversial personality.

BARACK OBAMA: Right. Hindsight is 20/20. I know what worked for me was consistency in my message.

CHARLIE ROSE: And that was the problem with John Kerry, right?

BARACK OBAMA: You know, what I was able to say was, I`ve looked at the evidence. I`m a hawk when it comes to defeating terrorism. I was strongly supportive of Afghanistan. I would have picked up arms myself to prevent 9/11 again. I don`t think the president has made the case on Iraq, because I don`t see weapons of mass destruction…

CHARLIE ROSE: You said this before…

BARACK OBAMA: I said this in October of — October of 2002, six months before the war was launched. I said, I don`t see — the evidence is paltry about the weapons of mass destruction. I don`t see a connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda.

CHARLIE ROSE: So, what did you…

BARACK OBAMA: Now, what I also said was, once we go in, then we`re committed. I did believe in the Powell theory of you break it, you own it.

CHARLIE ROSE: And the Powell theory also is if you get into a war, make sure you have the support of the American people, and then go all out to win it.

BARACK OBAMA: Exactly. So what I said was, once the decision was made, then we`ve got to do everything we can to stabilize the country, to make it successful, because we`ll have too much at stake in the Middle East. And that`s the position that I continue to take.

CHARLIE ROSE: OK, so therefore if you had been a member of the Senate, you would have voted against the resolution.

BARACK OBAMA: Yes.

CHARLIE ROSE: Along — you would have stood with Senator Kennedy and others, a few. A few.

BARACK OBAMA: Yes. I think it was a mistake. And I also — and this raises a broader issue of the Democratic Party. I think it`s important for us to stand our ground and take our licks, rather than what sometimes is our habit, which is to cave and then whine about it afterwards, which makes us not only look weak but also petty.

~snip~

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2465641270577481325

[Patchuli]

33. Clinton voted yea on the IWR,

she voted yea on Kyle/Lieberman. Don't try to tell us she's 'anti-war.' She cannot even admit she screwed up.

[rodeodance]

78. BHO FUNDED the war and did NOT bother to stand take a stand on the K-L vote.

[Patchuli]

90. And HRC votes yea on K/L

as well as voting at least 10 times to fund the war. Your argument is pointless as your gal has done exactly what you keep attacking Obama for. Also, she has spent her campaign attacking rather than convincing voters why she would be a better president. I am personally sick of the Rove play book and I thought other Dems were too. You are gleeful about your pointless attacks on BO and I for one, am unconvinced as to why HRC should win the nomination. I am curious about something though; if HRC were to (miraculously) win the nom, I would vote for her in the GE. If BO wins the nom (pretty much a given at this point), are YOU going to vote for McCain, stay home or vote for BO?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20941413/

http://aloneonalimb.blogspot.com/2007/10/will-kyle-lieberman-amendment-encourage.html

[MirrorAshes]

34. She didn't start it. She did help enable it.

Those are facts not to be ignored. Saying she is the "only one" committed to ending it is... well, I don't even have words for it. Ludicrous is about the nicest one I can come up with. Obama did not just "claim" he was against it. HE WAS AGAINST IT. And when he got to the senate he voted to keep the troops afloat while they were stuck there, and was a leader in taking care of vets when they got home from the war. It is the responsible course of action to take. And when he is president, he will end the war responsibly as well.

And if you or anyone else is claiming he won't, YOU ARE SLANDERING THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE WITH LIES. LIES. LIES. LIES.

let me say it one more time:

LIES.

So get your act together, for the country's sake, please.

[kikiek]

36. There isn't a nominee yet. And Obama is an enabler. He won't end it.

[MirrorAshes]

37. Care to back up any of the nonsense you just spewed?

Where on earth is this notion that Obama won't end the war coming from?

[kikiek]

38. If you paid any attention you would have heard it. I'm not doing your homework for you.

[MirrorAshes]

39. Ahh, the old "if you don't know I'm not going to tell you" strategy.

You do realize that you're making completely outlandish claims, refusing to back them up, and then running away from the discussion to just leave these thoughts dangling in the wind. In my world, thats called a trial balloon, and sorry to tell you, but this one just isn't gonna float.

[rodeodance]

42. do you realize the bubble mentality you live in??

[MirrorAshes]

48. why am i the only one in this argument with more than a subject line per post?

tell me more about my bubble. please.

[kikiek]

53. No actually it is well known. I suggest you do some research on your "hero".

[MirrorAshes]

55. Did I say he was my hero? Are you just here to antagonize with hit and run posts?

posts full of LIES?

seems if you were so certain about your position you wouldn't be so open to letting them fly as being called LIES. seems to me you'd make a minimal effort to make yourself look like something other than a LIAR.

but no. just single-line throw-away posts with no substance whatsoever. keep on fighting the good fight ...err... scratch that... fight.

[Emit]

102. You are spreading false information

what you and rodeodance claim is just not true. Please stop.

[kikiek]

117. Get a grip it is true. Check it out.

[Emit]

118. I know the facts. It is not true. Stop now.

You are only embarrassing yourself.

[kikiek]

119. You sound like a child. Hear no see no speak no evil. Group think. Can't investigate.

Good luck with that.

[Emit]

120. I did investigate. You clearly did not.

And resorting to adhominem attacks will not change the facts.

[rodeodance]

40. guess we will never for sure.

....Obama did not just "claim" he was against it. HE WAS AGAINST IT.......

[zulchzulu]

21. I'll make a version....this ad needs a laugh track

Someone who got SUCKERED by Chimpy and is now partially responsible for a war that has countless dead and cost $5000/second is the one who wants to "end the war".

What utter bullshit...

[LulaMay]

24. People who know what it will take, and the best person to do it. BTW-BO didn't HAVE to vote...

but he sure likes making it sound like he did.

Even after admitting he didn't know what he would've done, and voted exactly the same as Hillary afterwards.

[tabatha]

27. You did not understand his driving a truck into the ditch analogy.

Once the truck is in the ditch - there are very few ways to get it out.

The safety of the troops has to be taken it into account.

[rodeodance]

49. :-)

[marshall]

25. Hillary's still got some spunk left!

I don't think she can win at this point, but I see no reason why she shouldn't be afforded the dignity of going down swinging--to paraphrase the poet: "Do not go gently into that good night, rage Hillary, rage against the dying of the light."

It will do people good to see candidates so passionate about what they believe. We'll remember it when the election comes.

[denem]

28. I think any Democratic ad about ending the war is good.

We can bicker here, and there are some real points of difference but John McCain has sealed his fate on this one. In blood and money.

[zabet]

29. k and r

:bounce:

[Cass]

30. K & R!

:kick:

[milkyway]

43. Looks like a hostage tape.

I like them both, but they didn't seem to muster much enthusiasm.

And Joe, let your hair grow back.

[Terre]

54. I have to completely agree

Where is the life, and as you say, the enthusiasm? Granted, it's a serious subject, but I think it's a very downer ad. The Wilson's just don't look like the people that I remember just months ago.

BTW, if anyone wants to read other comments about it, you can also see the YouTube video over at MSNBC's FirstRead here:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/09/1005809.aspx

[foo_bar]

57. I got the same impression

Perhaps it's the shaky digicam aspect but their body language seems to convey, "I am reading a script. There is an AK-47 pointed at my head, I love you Mom."

Seriously, aren't ambassadors paid to be diplomatic? That's why you rarely see campaign ads by ex-State or UN people (never mind spies), it's not much of an endorsement when a professional dissembler says they like their boss.

[Name removed]

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[foo_bar]

70. not exactly; the next paragraph begins "Seriously, ..."

Typical gutless hormonal teen-aged kool-aid chugger.

It seems you could use a bit less thyroid yourself.

[Beausoir]

60. LOL! Joe Wilson could kick Obama's empty suit to the curb in a NY minute.

Too funny watching the Kool-aid kids bluster about Wilson.

[Emit]

95. My exact thoughts

on all three points

[Guaranteed]

45. You in particular are going to have some work to do, rodeo.

The war is over. The Dems need you.

[datopbanana]

50. Way to go after the crowd that probably made up their mind MONTHS ago

[merh]

51. Video no longer available.

edited to add - correct youtube link
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4dDO6Th0EHc

[pettypace]

58. How much did Clintons pay them

This is simply insider politics - returning favors to one another.


Someone ask Joe and Val, whadya say about Hillary wanting to destroy Iran when she's in office...f'ing hypocrites.

[ShortnFiery]

59. True. Krugman is the greatest disappointment. What a slobbering mass of flesh for Clinton he's

lowered himself to be. :thumbsdown:

[Emit]

104. A similar thought crossed my mind

what do the Clintons have on the Wilsons?

[Danger Mouse]

61. That's a good endorsement for Clinton.

edit: figured somebody had to say something nice. :shrug:

[VolcanoJen]

62. Trivial, but when did Joe start looking so awful?

I used to have the biggest crush on him. Sexy fella, he was. Maybe it was all in the sassy-long haircut?

Wha hoppen??

[Beausoir]

65. Not trivial....

incredibly shallow, infantile and typical of Obama supporters.

Joe Wilson is an incredibly courageous and patriotic Democrat.

It's not surprising in the least that you would race for the bottom in order to denigrate him.

[VolcanoJen]

66. Ohfergawdssake

Get a sense of humor. I would never "denigrate" Joe Wilson. You might want to research my old posts on this topic.

But I hate the hair. When did "hating the hair" morph into some kind of goofy attack on Joe Wilson's patriotism? Can I say nothing that doesn't piss off Hillary fans, and make them call one "shallow" and "infantile"?

Clueless. :eyes:

[MirrorAshes]

67. I actually didn't recognize him at first.

I was worried he might be sick or something. Its pretty hard not to take note of when watching the video, he looks 10 years older than the last time I saw him. I seriously hope he's ok.

[VolcanoJen]

68. I think it's just a bad haircut.

He looked fine, but the haircut is awful. Valerie looked as stunning as ever. :-)

[MirrorAshes]

69. indeed she did. beauty and brains. rawr.

I was gonna say "balls" too, vis-a-vie her being a CIA agent and all that, but I don't want to get caught up in any kind of gender wars here. im deep enough into the twilight zone on DU today, heh.

[Emit]

114. I thought he looked like he has aged considerably

stress can do that, as well as, well, as well as the normal aging process -- we all know what that's like ... eventually, that is :)

The short hair-cut makes his gray more prominent

[NYCGirl]

83. Boy, I agree. I thought he was so sexy. That haircut is a disaster. NT

[judasdisney]

71. If Bill Clinton is a N.O.C., recruited at Oxford, that would explain a lot

[bigtree]

72. KICK!

:kick:

[OzarkDem]

73. Fantastic!

Really sad how Obama supporters have tried to throw these courageous people under the bus.

[alphafemale]

75. Yeah. As if "normal" people have any idea who they even are.

They are great. But only hard core political junkies like ourselves know who these people are. This is not something that would sway any of the low info undecideds.

[JimGinPA]

79. It's Too Bad They Decided To Throw Their Lot In With The Losing Candidate...

What the Bu$h administration did to them was a shame.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

81. She's still trying to put a band-aid over her vote for Bush's war.

Pathetic.

[Freedom Train]

82. Joe & Valerie are American Heroes

But that won't stop Obama supporters (who might once even have been swooning over Joe & Val on DU themselves) from turning right around to bash them because they do not now support the Anointed One. Just wait and see. :puke:

[jenmito]

85. I agree they ARE American heroes. I just happen to disagree with their opinion of who is best

to end the war. If Obama had heard Wilson's claim about Saddam NOT seeking material to get a nuke, HE would've listened, unlike Hillary.

[EmilyAnne]

96. Almost every Obama supporter on this thread has been gracious about them.

[Zhade]

112. I won't bash them (they can't help clinton at this point in her failed candidacy anyway)...

...but being as they oppose liars like b*s*, I don't understand how they can support a liar like clinton.

Have they not seen the Tuzla video?

[marmar]

88. The large, young activist base in Oregon probably isn't buying it.....

..... They're well aware of Clinton's Iraq vote. And respect for Joe and Valerie aside, in the end, it comes back to Hil. That ship has already hit the iceberg, folks.

[Arugula Latte]

93. Hillary will not do well here. She's widely disliked.

Broad Obama support is evident all over vote-rich Multnomah County (Portland), which is practically capable of outvoting the rest of the state as a whole.

[samsingh]

89. i continue to respect the Wilson's

[Arugula Latte]

92. I saw that ad ... It made me lose some respect for them, unfortunately.

I was yelling at the TV (yes, I'm aware they can't hear me). "Why are you supporting a candidate who ENABLED the fucking war?!?!"

Makes.No.Sense.

[AZBlue]

100. Great idea!!! Run up more bills for a dead campaign already seriously in debt.

Fantastic!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

105. Leadership!

:rofl:

[boppers]

110. The same Wilson who smeared Obama's overseas missions?

Yeahbutno. His credibility tanked when he started lying for her campaign.

[book_worm]

115. That's nice all Obama has to do is remind everybody of Hillary voting to start the war

and other militaristic statements such as obliberating Iraq.

[McCamy Taylor]

116. NIce ad. KO is going to have to smear the Wilson's now. It wont be pretty,