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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:41 PM Original message |
As an Obama supporter I have never been so embarrassed by my fellow supporters. |
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mcctatas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. AMEN! |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Glad I'm not alone on this. |
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Labors of Hercules (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
63. No, you are not alone. |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. Chill out. Calling your "team" stupid isn't helping either. Let people vent. I think |
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mcctatas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. but on this issue? |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. Don't get me started on Larry King again.. grrr !!! |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
24. We know the m$$$fm has it out for Obama |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Not calling them stupids just pointing out that they are acting very stupid. |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. When and if something occurs, it needs to be explained so Obama donors |
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Andy823 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
59. You are not alone. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
86. where do you think our money goes? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
78. "your team" |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
4. Get bent you pompous blow hard! It's a long way down when you get knocked off that high horse |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. Next you will be calling me an elitist. Sorry but I defend Obama from stupid shit because |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. No, I think my description was spot on. Oh and you are not defending anyone |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Calling out people who say they will never donate to Obama again isn't attacking his true supporters |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:01 AM Response to Reply #38 |
97. Who made you the arbiter of who a "true supporter" is? |
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jezebel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
6. I agree 100%. I've been thinking I'm alone. I don't care how much he pays if she goes away, I'll |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
28. Exactly, this is about winning our Country back not punishing Clinton for her sins. |
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here_is_to_hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #28 |
110. I am one of those that says "NO!" but your |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
82. go away? |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. Thank you. Pleasure to read. |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #82 |
130. If Obama loses Clinton supporter votes he will be up the creek. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
7. Thanks for posting this. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
8. People do need to vent, but I'll go on record as supporting the pay-off. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Hillary used her money to extend her reign of destruction beyond |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. I can't stand the woman, nomad, and that was before this primary. |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
122. "Reign of Destruction?" |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #122 |
131. The stupidity of some people know no bounds. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
9. I trust his amazing team to make decisions that will be |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
10. oh there have been many other times as well but your right this is one of the |
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npincus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
12. Isn't the idea that Obama's supporters are neophytes |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
43. My OP was specifically to address the people stating that they would never donate to Obama again. |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
132. I don't believe harshness, judgment and condescension |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
13. Thanks for the education on |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
40. It is not legal. n/t |
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4themind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
14. I thought I read that he can't donate directly to her campaign |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
74. After the election his sequestered primary cash all goes into his PAC, |
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psquare (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
126. Absolutely right - the max the Obama campaign can donate to Hillary is $2,300 |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
15. I don't care if Obama pays off her debt. I thought that was standard procedure.. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
45. I wish I had the assest to max out my donation right now, but one month at a time I'll get close. |
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psquare (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
128. He can hold a joint fundraiser, or start a separate fund, but it is illegal to use primary |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
17. just a small point - when people donated to his primary campaign |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. That isn't actually how it works, you know that right? No one donates specifically to the PE or GE |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. right, so when you donate during the primary, you are funding the primary |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
20. If he can't use the money in the general election |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
71. The Ultimate Put-down is right. LOL |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
90. "belittle this loser?" |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
21. Stupid? I don't think it's even LEGAL for Obama to give GE or Primary funds to Clinton |
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nsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
22. Obama wouldn't pay off Clinton's debt with his primary election funds. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
25. Excellent post. |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
29. I'm willing to let Obama play that as he thinks appropriate. And I donate at least monthly. |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
31. I have NEVER heard of a parrallel case of paying off campaign debts among leading prez contenders |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
61. I agree with you on all points. In recent history Primaries haven't gone this long |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
32. So sorry, oh all knowing one! |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Everyone is allowed to their opinion, but I'm allowed to call them like I see them and this is silly |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. As I stated below. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. It happens all the time there are ways |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:55 AM Response to Reply #52 |
109. Sorry, I think you are trying to spread this rumor. |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
60. maybe you should take your own advice? |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #60 |
92. And I have addressed them all, gosh it's like you never heard of a PAC. |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:50 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. no. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:17 AM Response to Reply #96 |
98. 1 Clinton helped Vilsak pay off his rather sizable debt for his short campaign for the nom |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:23 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. So this is politics as usual? |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. My thrust is that A. it isn't funny business and B. If the Obama team decides that it a savvy move |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. you avoided the question... |
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Beregond2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
33. Well I, |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. All the "I'll never donate to Obama again" posts got my Ire up, sorry it it was a tad too harsh. |
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Beregond2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #44 |
114. No problem. |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
136. They should just pretend the money they (might) have donated |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
35. I don't like the idea in principle. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Oh in principle I agree with you, in a perfect world Clinton should be paying for a lot more |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #42 |
111. In a perfect world |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
36. You're wrong. It is seldom done in this circumstance. |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
121. exactly. |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
39. Funny, I got a message from the Obama campaign that said |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. this story was started by pundits and has no legs |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #50 |
80. If you look at the comments section |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. and the UPDATE in it tracks my comments about how it might happen |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #85 |
91. I noticed that. |
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KansasVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
46. Please link to a story verifying other candidates pay off election debt. |
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Blondiegrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
47. I have no problem with him paying off her debt. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
48. Wow! An actual grownup Obama supporter. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
49. Oh that's just what we need: More self-righteousness and censor. |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
51. It maybe tradition but the difference is many millions were spent on his personal destruction... |
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graycem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
53. Hmm.. |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. I can live with that very ethical. |
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graycem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. Me too.. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. The easy and traditional way is to wait till after the election |
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graycem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. I don't have a problem with it |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Most campaigns take years and years to finish paying off their debts. |
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graycem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Yeah.. another point of contention |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #53 |
67. That is accurate. If he helps her at all, if will be fundraisers AFTER the general election |
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graycem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #67 |
94. Which would be totally fair |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 03:48 AM Response to Reply #94 |
107. contributors must know ahead of time who they're giving to, and he'll do that |
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graycem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 04:14 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. completely agree.. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
54. Actually it's a valid concern, and for legal reasons it's not going to happen |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. After the election the campaign money becomes Obama PAC money |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #64 |
119. Did you even read the article? They can't, what they can do is make an appeal on her behalf. n/t |
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benddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
55. actually you are wrong |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #55 |
81. Sequestered primary funds will become Obama PAC funds...and so on |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
56. Some people don't want to give Wolfson, MacAulliffe, Penn or Hillary a red cent |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
62. Exactly, she has many tens of millions that she cannot use now. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. My hope is that it all ends up working to win our house and senate seats. |
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Lady-Damai (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
70. How about you and other Obama supporters who want to pay Hillary debts start sending money to HER??? |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
73. "So grow up and stop being so freaking stupid " |
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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
75. Obama supporters ignorant, stupid and embarrassing? |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #75 |
84. If I was a Clinton supporter I would be embarrassed by you. |
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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:45 AM Response to Reply #84 |
95. I was just repeating your own words |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #95 |
105. I wasn't painting with a wide brush like you. Try not cheery picking peoples words out of context |
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futureliveshere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
76. Your point is correct... But your tone is not |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Check my post #44, I agree my tone was harsh, but then sometimes you have to slap the donkey |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
77. I AGREE! |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
79. YES |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
87. Agreed |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
88. k/r |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
93. I still say it was a scam |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:45 AM Response to Reply #93 |
101. I think it was a trial balloon. Clinton helped Vilsak out the the mess he made of his run and picked |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:53 AM Response to Original message |
103. Oh, poo. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:11 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Not Oscar poo I hope, that smell never goes away. |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:19 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. You could run your car on that stuff. |
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ekwhite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
112. Absolutely |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
113. Please cite specific past cases. You assert that |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
115. Whatever it takes to hurt Republicans -- I'm for it. |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
116. You just met my ignore list. C'ya! |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #116 |
123. Lalala I can't HEAAAAAAAAR YOOOOOUUUUUU! |
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KaptBunnyPants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
117. If it brings this to an end, finally, then it would be money well spent. |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
118. His campaign can legally contribute only $2300 to her campaign |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #118 |
129. Maybe only $2000, if this article is correct -> |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
120. bullshit. i DID donate to him to beat her. |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
124. the whole non-issue is a non-starter, wtf, eh? |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. you REALLY think a simple bribe will shut her up? |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #127 |
133. of course not.... but if it's part of the recipe, wtf? I couldn't care less |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
125. Also, I imagine there's a fair amount of good will in paying all those |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
134. She's a freaking multi-millionare. |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
135. Its a VERY common practice and totally forbidden by FEC rules???? |
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