It is INFANTILE to throw stones at the likes of Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and Bill Richardson

[Bicoastal]

simply because they didn't choose your candidate. The irony is that Bill Richardson was almost universally respected here until he dared to pick a horse--then, in some circles, they started calling him a drag on the party. On another post today, someone dared to ask "what has he done for us lately?"

What the F*** have YOU done for us lately, oh Internet warrior?

[MadMaddie]

1. Oh snap!!

:popcorn:

[Double T]

2. The old guard, business as usual politicians that are attempting a rebirth of their political.......

careers by supporting and promoting BO, are a drag on the Democratic Party. If this is BO's idea of 'hope' and 'change' there will certainly be NONE!

[99th_Monkey]

16. Ya, like all these new young Democratic & people-of-color voters are SUCH a drag

on the Party of "politics as ususal" Democrats so-called. Too fucking bad.
:sarcasm:

[Double T]

50. So what is YOUR point?

[cali]

47. really? Ted Kennedy's political career is in danger? bzzzt.

wrongo. His career is just fine and he's one of the most powerful dems in D.C. Pat Leahy? LOL! He has 70% approval ratiing in VT, and he's also one of the most powerful people in D.C. Kerry's career is secure. So is Richardson's. Your post doesn't even make any sense. Furthermore, these aren't business as usual politicians no matter how long they've been in Washington. They are the democratic wing of the dem party, and its leading liberal lions.

[Double T]

49. Ted didn't get obama elected in his own state of Massachusetts;..........

it was Clinton that won. Kerry didn't win the WH. Richardson didn't win the nomination; not even close. Pat Leahy may be a powerful Dem in Washington, but what the hell has he accomplished or done for the American people in recent years. If it is ALL ABOUT 'hope' and specially 'CHANGE' these guys are NOT part of the equation.

[dogday]

3. And John Edwards is not fair game either.... eom

[OzarkDem]

4. same applies to Bill & Hillary Clinton

and those good Dems who support her candidacy.

[Bicoastal]

6. Hillary's running for president. See, I actually don't mind half as much if you criticize Obama...

...but you won't find me criticizing Plame, Murtha, Fienstein (my Senator) and other Dems who are merely endorsing them.

Same goes for Obama's Dems. This smear-by-proxy stuff is complete BS.

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[ProSense]

7. delete n/t

[LibraLiz1973]

10. I am entitled to my opinion of that 2 faced jerk. He is trying to

SHIT all over my party and I am allowed to be pissed.

[ProSense]

13. So right, you're entitled to be vile. She lost, get over it. Kennedy has a point

look at the tone of her campaign and her supporters. It's disgusting.

[LibraLiz1973]

15. But you think HIS tone is ok??? After the life he has lived and the number

of passes HE has been given, it is APPALLING to me that he would try and talk shit about people he has been FRIENDS with for years.
Agree or disagree with them, I get it. But he is going OUT OF HIS WAY to slap her down and I find it offensive.
He can take his drunk driving ass back to the compound now and rot for all I care.

[ProSense]

22. "He can take his drunk driving ass back to the compound now and rot for all I care."

Kennedy is right n/t

[LibraLiz1973]

23. He has much in his life to answer for. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

He is doing more damage to this party with his continued ridiculous statements than her staying in is doing.

[ProSense]

26. Delusional and bitter. n/t

[LibraLiz1973]

27. lol. Whatever.

If he had said that about Saint Obama, this place would be on fire.

Hypocrites abound.

[ProSense]

30. But he had no reason to, did he? To quote Hillary: If you can't stand the heat...

Deal with it.

[LibraLiz1973]

19. This gave me a chuckle. The Obama crew has done more bashing

and shit talking than 15 of the top LA Gangs put together.

[Danger Mouse]

36. Look in a fucking mirror before you pass judegement on others, oh lord of the high horse.

[emilyg]

34. What's disgusting is Kennedy's past.

[PoliticalAmazon]

43. Just a little trivia fact: Kennedy was never sued for sexual harassment...

and Kennedy's wife never had to spend her OWN money to pay off the woman, AND at the same time knowing that her husband had started yet another affair during the sexual harassment investigation.

Kennedy's past is not clean, but he's not running for the presidency, either. The Clintons' past is not clean, and they are.

It's cool if Hillary supporters need to pitch a fit or two. They've had a lot of disappointments lately and surely are entitled to vent a little. I respect your right to do that, but to bring up Kennedy's past when Bill and Hillary's past is equally, if not more, problematic than Kennedy, deserves different insight.

[emilyg]

46. He's guilty of much more than sexual misconduct.

[cali]

48. Fine. How about Pat Leahy?

Never so much as a whiff of personal scandal. 34 years as a Senator without making hay off of it and becoming rich, (he the's 96th wealthiest Senator)a staunch liberal. No ambitions beyond being Senator. Senator for as long as he wishes. What's he guilty of?

[Bicoastal]

8. You'd like to cause physical harm to Ted Kennedy...well...

...I think you may want to edit this post before a Mod deletes it and no one knows what we're conversing about.

[LibraLiz1973]

11. Not physical harm. More like a knock in to reality.

He's been acting a damn fool

[JVS]

35. She'd better be careful or Ted might have to give her a ride home from a party in self-defense

;-)

[PoliticalAmazon]

44. I'd be more worried about Bill asking her to "kiss it." I doubt Kennedy...

does much of his own driving anymore, but I don't think Bill is at the stage yet where he has someone else ask a woman he doesn't know to kiss Bill's penis.

[seriousstan]

9. What did he say? I thought I kept up on this stuff, but I didn't hear this one. Anybody?????

In case the OP gets wiped because of a physical threat.....What did Kennedy say that riled people?

[LibraLiz1973]

12. I wasn't actually saying I'd hurt him. Gawd, people are sooooo

hysterical.


Chill.

[seriousstan]

14. Fine, I don't care what you said, I was asking what Kennedy said that made you mad.

[LibraLiz1973]

17. Here is what he said

HUNT: What's your view of an Obama-Clinton ticket?

KENNEDY: I don't think it's possible.

HUNT: You don't? And what type of vice president choice do you think he should make? What type of person?

KENNEDY: Well, the first is always a demand that you're going to have someone that's going to be able to assume the responsibility. I would hope that he would also give consideration to somebody that has –- is in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people. And I think if we had real leadership –- as we do with Barack Obama –- in the number-two spot as well, it'd be enormously helpful.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

If people want to throw down about the Clintons doing damage to our party, you tell me HOW the drivel he is spilling isn't as ...or worse?

[roseBudd]

20. Thinking that HRC could be VP is like thinking McCain could have been Bush's VP

[LibraLiz1973]

21. It isn't for Ted Kennedy to try and put a moral compass near HRC's head

He is the LAST person who should be trying to throw down about morality.

[ProSense]

28. You are entitled to your vile opinion, but Kennedy can't speak his mind?

You're a bitter and hypocritical. Hillary lost, it's not Kennedy's fault. She ran a stupid and divisive campaign.

[LibraLiz1973]

32. I'm not a Hillary supporter.

It's not Kennedy's fault she lost. I agree.
But his words and actions this campaign season have been low class and obnoxious.

[ProSense]

33. No, he spoke the truth, and who said anything about you being a Hillary supporter? n/t

[PoliticalAmazon]

45. My potted fern would make a better VP than Hillary Clinton. n/t

[lojasmo]

25. What's wrong with what he said?

He didn't dispairage Clinton. She deserves it, for her blatant race baiting, but he was fairly genteel in his criticism.

[graycem]

39. It's true isn't it?

You can't have a VP who doesn't believe you've crossed the threshold. She is the one who ruled herself out by claiming he's not at least as qualified as her and McCain. No matter how it gets twisted, she's done this to herself with her remarks. She clearly is NOT in tune with Obama, we will at least need someone who can give him a little bit of credit rather than cast him as worse than the Republican at every opportunity. Plus, she also states he's elitist as are Gore and Kerry, so let's go with someone who won't use Republican labels against our nominee. :)


---

"I have crossed the Commander in Chief threshold. Senator McCain has crossed the Commander in Chief threshold. Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

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“I think that since we now know Sen. (John) McCain will be the nominee for the Republican Party, national security will be front and center in this election. We all know that. And I think it’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold,” the New York senator told reporters crowded into an infant’s bedroom-sized hotel conference room in Washington.

“I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy,” she said.

Calling McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee a good friend and a “distinguished man with a great history of service to our country,” Clinton said, “Both of us will be on that stage having crossed that threshold. That is a critical criterion for the next Democratic nominee to deal with.”

---
Her reaction after Obama gives credit to McCain for his military service and says he's a step up better than Bush...

As people in the crowd shouted, “No!” Mrs. Clinton added, “We need a nominee who will take on John McCain, not cheer on John McCain, and I will be that nominee.”

See, we need a nominee to fight John McCain, according to her, so she has ruled herself out. Let's take her advice.

[Cha]

18. Yeah,

[NJmaverick]

24. DAMN RIGHT!!! They have gone off the deep end

[kerry-is-my-prez]

29. Ted Kennedy, John Kerry - yes. Bill Richardson - no.

I have a very strong sense of loyalty and I think he is a major creep. Used to like the guy too.

[scheming daemons]

37. Loyalty to who? Bill's not running and he owed Hillary NOTHING....

Richardson's loyalty is PROPERLY to his country first, his party second, and Bill Clinton third.


Richardson chose to go with the first two over the third.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

31. Bill Richardson made it much less likely that he would be the VP to Obama.

If he would have stayed loyal to Hillary he would have been seen as a "compromise" candidate. Now he would be seen as a "slap in the face" to Hillary and her supporters.

[davidpdx]

38. Bicoastal

I know who you are talking about and I won't say who that individual was. From what I've heard they've been given a fair shot at reforming their behavior and I've pointed out what they said earlier because it was pretty nasty. All you can do with people like that is put them on ignore. When this is over, they'll either have to live with Obama winning the primary or leave. It's as simple as that.

[Sapphocrat]

40. Yes, it is.

As infantile as it is to ostracize Maya Angelou, Robert Kennedy, Joe Wilson, and every other former "DU hero" who decided not to back Obama.

(And to think these people, and others, were untouchable saints on DU at one time.)

[Mushroom]

41. Those rich doods are protected

Domestic homicides more than doubled in Massachusetts, though.

[candice]

42. Richardson was promised something...the joke is that Bill Clinton kept trying to

find him a job he could do.

Obama sucked up to Teddy as soon as he was catapulted into the Senate (his opposition self-destructed). Teddy resembles the grandfather who raised him (a typical white person). Teddy wouldn't want there to be 2 Clinton presidents to his family's 1.

The Clintons came out of Arkansas and made it on their own merit, not inherited rum money from Boston.

Kerry is Kennedy light, but he did ask McCain to be his veep in 2004, which says something about McCain's acceptability to the Democratic Party.

[Forkboy]

51. Hell, Carter was a called a loser for hinting he may endorse Obama.

After that nothing surprises me anymore.