McCain calls his wife a c*nt, yet 'feminists' want to enable him by not voting for Obama.

[bunnies]

Explain this to me. Because I dont get it.

[NewHampshireDem]

1. You get the gold star for the day

[bunnies]

5. Thanks neighbor!

:hi:

[NewHampshireDem]

10. Oh, hey, yeah!

Cool! :hi:

[helderheid]

183. LOVE your sig line!!

[PoliticalAmazon]

130. The gold star should go to posters who don't freak out over every threat the read...

What is the deal, here? I don't understand why Obama supporters continue to empower Hillary by reacting to everything she and her supporters say and do.

Surely you must realize that many Hillary supporters are a tad touchy these days, possibly angry and lashing out. So they are likely to say they will do something that will not support Obama in November.

But do you REALLY believe that is true? I don't. Been through this a few times now, the last time being the Dean campaign, 2004. Many of his supporters, after Dean withdrew, said they'd NEVER vote for Kerry, they'd leave the party, etc. Well, guess what. A few months later, when NOvember rolled around, the majority of Dean supporters obviously showed up at the polls and voted for Kerry.

I think we need to keep our eyes focused on the big picture and not feed their anger, or make them so pissed that they get so entrenched in their short-term angry reaction that they will not vote for Obama in November.

We NEED the Hillary supporters to win in November. We cannot win without them.

My advice: Try to be patient, and when you respond, respond with a good policy reason (not the overused, tired USSC threat) for them to possibly reconsider their stance against Obama.

It's a lot harder to take that approach than it is to just slam back, but, judging by the approach Obama is taking with Hillary, it is the right approach to take.

[seabeyond]

141. nevermind. read other posts. i get it. n/t

[Bucky]

2. McCain thinks his wife is only worth one penny?

I assume you meant to type "calls his wife a cent."

[Kittycat]

3. There's no explaining it - they'll come around. If not,

they're republican trolls.

[rzemanfl]

As long as she hides her income tax returns, she's a c**t to me

too. If she discloses them she moves up to rich bitch.

[LizW]

44. Obama supporter calls Cindy McCain a c**t

Is Democratic misogyny supposed to be more palatable to women than Republican misogyny?

I haven't noticed much difference.

[EmilyAnne]

104. No, its not LizW. It unacceptable coming from anyone. This person is obviously trying to shock

certain people just to cause trouble. Some people are just very desperate for any sort of attention. Its pretty pitiful.

[rzemanfl]

117. Her husband called her a c**t. I am only agreeing with him. n/t

[roguevalley]

165. that poster is responsible for his words. his support for anyone is

not the issue. Amazing how a person's words become the burden of an entire group.

[EmilyAnne]

101. This comment is so stupid. You are being intentionally offensive and I wonder what you get out of

it. I am a Democrat for many reasons, one of which is that this party grants more respect to the rights of women. Your post is nasty and not in the spirit of Democratic ideals in the least.

[Danger Mouse]

176. This is just disgusting and offensive.

[BlooInBloo]

4. Clinton don't care who gets elected, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT OBAMA...

Just have to get used to that.

[kwenu]

If we're supposed to get used to that. I think we are at least owed a logical explanation why?

It looks and smells like the ultimate in disloyalty to the Democratic party.

[BlooInBloo]

97. Who cares why? Just beat her and let her slink off and wither in her bitterness.

EDIT: Subject typo.

[kwenu]

132. BECAUSE--WE--ARE--DEMOCRATS!!!

But clearly that is not in your mind. Shameful.

[PoliticalAmazon]

134. With Obama's approach, she will beat herself, and her supporters....

will get a real clear picture of Hillary as she spirals out of control.

Because Obama isn't rising to her anger bait anymore, she keeps uping the bile and hate; he doesn't respond and she amps it up again. SHE herself will convince her supporters that she's not a good candidate for president.

We have to give the Hillary supporters some space to come to that realization on their own, and we have to give Obama the space he needs to win them over to support him.

If we try to force it, or if we continue to attack an increasingly sad and out-of-control Hillary, it's going to make the whole healing and uniting process that much harder: both for us and for Obama.

[EFerrari]

6. I've never met or read an actual feminist that was 1) voting for Clinton

and 2) that could mount a reasonable argument for supporting her.

On the other hand, making shallow and reckless charges of sexism is an activity any schoolyard bully can manage.

I expect the women's movement will recover from this toxic campaign but it will take time and work.

[bunnies]

9. Did you see this?

Bullshit site provided in another thread: http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/?p=913
Unfucking real.

[EFerrari]

14. It's not worth reading. n/t

[bunnies]

17. You're right about that! nt

[Barrymores Ghost]

56. What a bunch of feckin' IDIOTS.

They talk a lot of shit now, but they would rue the day John McCain ever took the White House. He'd stack the SCOTUS with 2-3 more right-wing theocratic zealots, who in turn would strip away every last remaining civil right -- including a woman's right to privacy.

Every one of the loons on that site who says she'll vote for McSame or stay home can, with all due respect, take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.

[bunnies]

73. I think they'll just blame it on Obama.

Its HIS fault it they enable McCain dontcha know? Some are apparently unable to accept responsibility for their actions. Remind you of anyone?

[Barrymores Ghost]

79. A bunch of W Mini-me's, I'd say. n/t

[Maddy McCall]

13. If you would step out of your house once in awhile...

perhaps you would.

I know quite a few who are.

[Beausoir]

33. Precisely. Outside this vicious little bubble of DU, I know plenty of women who are Hill Fans!

Neighbors, teachers, relatives, college women.

If you can't see that, you are truly hopeless.

[Warren DeMontague]

116. The question isn't whether they're "Hill fans", it's whether they'll refuse to vote for our nominee

if the nominee's name is Barack Obama.

Hill fans? Great. At the end of the day, we're all Democrats. I used to count myself as a "Hill fan", too, but my level of fandom dropped off between her vote for the IWR and this primary season. Funny, though, none of the reasons behind that seemed to have a whole lot to do with her X chromosomes or her genitalia.

I don't have a problem with "Hill fans"; look, we disagree about who the best candidate for the nomination is. Obama wasn't even my first choice, my first choice never got in the race. But it's not about "Hill fans"; it's about folks so blind with idiocy or irritation or "but it was supposed to be her TURN" or their own limited view of a limited agenda or, yes, plain old bitterness that they will REFUSE to vote for the Democratic Nominee, or even vote for the Republican, nevermind what 4 more years of GOP rule will do to our nation, our deficit, our planet, our constitution, our civil liberties...


...and, yes, our Supreme Court. Justice Stevens is getting pretty old. Sooner or later, the man will retire. McCain is guaranteed to replace him with another knuckle-dragger who wants to give 14th amendment rights to stem cells.

When the birth control pill is illegal and John Cornyn is in charge of writing death penalty legislation for abortion doctors, any Pyhrric victory that might have been obtained by voting against "that usurper", Barack Obama, is going to feel pretty fucking empty.

Oh, and by the way- if Hillary Clinton had been the one to win the nomination, you can be damn sure I'd be voting for her.

[Barrymores Ghost]

119. Bravo. Don't expect a reasoned response, however.

That short bus has gone completely over the cliff.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

163. excellent post.

well said.

[Beausoir]

164. You stated that you don't know any feminists who support Clinton. You are simply wrong.

Most, if not all of the truly dedicated feminists I know, including my brothers, support Clinton.


Look, we ALL know the simple facts about the Supreme Court. You are not breaking new ground.

I also know that Barack Obama has a very serious problem with gay people. He views them as second class citizens and has gone out his way to pander to his bigot base by throwing the GLBT community under the wheels of the HopeMobile.

I have absolutely ZERO confidence that this empty suit will do ANYTHING...anything at all to help feminists and/or the GLBT communities.

ZERO.

Save your simplistic lectures for someone else. I've seen him in action and he does NOT speak for me.

Voting for a homophobic bigot, regardless of party affiliation, is STILL a vote for a homophobic bigot.

[Warren DeMontague]

186. "You stated that you don't know any feminists who support Clinton."-- I did?

Where?

Where did *I* say that?

Please, find it. I'll wait.

You "know" that Obama has a problem with Gay people- why? McClurkin? That thing has been beaten to death. For the record, I didn't like it either. But to extrapolate from that one data point to "Obama has a serious problem with Gay People" is a gimungous fucking stretch.

Has anyone told Steve Hildebrand, Obama's Deputy Campaign Manager, about Obama's "serious problem with gay people"? Hildebrand would probably want to know, seeing as he's gay himself.

Obama DIRECTLY addresses LGBT supporters and issues on his website:

http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome



Does Hillary acknowledge LGBT issues on her website? If she does, it's not very easy to find.


He was wrong about McClurkin, but there is no evidence to say that he's not at least as committed to LGBT equality as Senator Clinton is. Neither of them are willing to come out for full marriage equality yet, and that's to both their shame. But to try to say that Obama has a "serious problem with gay people" is utter baloney.

[Enrique]

189. then you didn't read this Gloria Steinem article

she supports Hillary, and discusses the feminist issues in the campaign in a thoughtful way.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/08/opinion/08steinem.html?_r=1&ex=1200459600&en=b89398531bea1916&ei=5070&emc=eta1&oref=slogin

I’m supporting Senator Clinton because like Senator Obama she has community organizing experience, but she also has more years in the Senate, an unprecedented eight years of on-the-job training in the White House, no masculinity to prove, the potential to tap a huge reservoir of this country’s talent by her example, and now even the courage to break the no-tears rule. I’m not opposing Mr. Obama; if he’s the nominee, I’ll volunteer. Indeed, if you look at votes during their two-year overlap in the Senate, they were the same more than 90 percent of the time. Besides, to clean up the mess left by President Bush, we may need two terms of President Clinton and two of President Obama.

[libnnc]

7. I can't esplain right now

I'm busy picking my brains outta the sofa...

Huge cranial explosion. Very busy. Gotta regroup. brb...

Hopefully.... this will

All. End. Soon.

:banghead:



edit to add...

there is no explanation. it's just a first class ticket to crazytown

[Mags]

8. Hillary has been called the same by some BHO folk. what's the difference?

[washingdem]

11. The BHO "folk" aren't a candidate, McCain is, and he used it ....

[Mags]

16. ok, BHO represents him on Du, same to me as him calling her a cunt. I guess

some of you folk think that things you say of DU stays on Du. Surprise, it does not. Du is copied to many other websited
every day, and see just what his supporters think, say and do , so congrats.

[NJmaverick]

22. Are you serious?!??!?! I am an internet junkie and that is not the situation

As for your claims that DUers are Obama's representatives, well that is simply insane (by the true definition of the word).

[Mags]

25. Hey, think what you want , but Du is copied to other websites

on the net. It certainly shows how hostile and thuggish his supporters are at times, and who wants to be intimated in to voting for anyone. Call me insane all you want,I could care less. You have the right to vote for and empty suit, the Pied Piper or anyone else you want to, but don't think that his supporters represent him and show what he really is.

[NJmaverick]

27. Why not post 3 examples?

[Mags]

29. do you need that many? wow. alittle dense don't you think?

[washingdem]

34. You can find internet idiots on any side. Doesn't define the candidate.

[Mags]

37. Everyone defines the candidates.

edited for spelling, terrible speller.

[washingdem]

43. That's quite the statement.

Anyway, look forward to your support in the GE.

[Faygo Kid]

59. Spelling is the least of your problems.

Time to get a grip. Your "logic" here is off the deep end.

[Mags]

66. OK , you folk are the only ones with logic. Don't worry about anyone else. You got it wrapped up.

[Faygo Kid]

78. Didn't say that, but it's clear you're right.

Not the logic part; nobody has a lock on that. But the nomination part - yes, it's wrapped up now.

I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. Best wishes.

[Mags]

90. does he have the delegate number that the Head of the Dem Party has declared him the victor?

[NJmaverick]

67. That would be ZERO examples, which is what I expected

[zabet]

45. 'Cause everyone knows that linking to one of those sites in particular is not allowed..

I know of at least 3 freeper sites that have forums specifically for making fun of DU and the posters here.

[Shae]

179. When they grow up and get jobs

they won't have time for that.

[bunnies]

35. By your logic,

everything Hillary supporters say on DU = those words coming out of Hillarys mouth.

You really want to go down that road?

[Mags]

46. sure will.

[bunnies]

52. So Hillary said:

"I just can't stand to look at him anymore, The arrogance on his face

he looks down on small America and thinks he is God's Gift to the world. How arrogant can you be or get. He seems so entitled."

[Mags]

89. yes, BHO does seem so entitled. Open the eyes and see reality.

[bunnies]

99. yet... "Its Hillarys TURN!" Barack cut in line!!!!

Who's entitled?

[Mags]

102. It is so easy to see thru you, chip on the shoulder, everything

that goes wrong is blamed on somebody else. Paranoid, self interest. Just the typical BHO folk.

[bunnies]

107. You're not even making sense anymore.

And I think you need to take a long look in the mirror. All the hate you've dished out in this thread alone is seriously disturbing.

[Barrymores Ghost]

108. Do yourself and the rest of us a favor. please...

For all of the rest of your responses in this thread, just type "Churlish, schoolyard, ad hominem whimpering. N/T." You can just copy and paste this into each Subject line, then click "Post message" for ease-of-use.

That what you've reduced yourself to, so you might just as well save the keystrokes and the time that others waste in opening your messages.

[Mags]

128. oh, getting childish, and worried about the Precious One again. I got it.

Let's just smoothe over any thing that is not for the ONE>

[Barrymores Ghost]

131. No, dear. It's just that basic grammar has completely gotten away from you.

You're no longer making any sense...and when I say "no longer," I'm giving you the HUGE benefit of the doubt that you, at one time, might have made some.

[Mags]

139. guess you are too enlist to understand. sorry there are a lot of us.

[helderheid]

18. Any TRUE Obama fan would NEVER call her that. Trolls.

[Mags]

68. what a cop out.

[helderheid]

121. oh?

[chknltl]

19. Here let me help un-confuse you:

One is a supporter of BHO and the other is a Republican nominee for POTUS. The old guy with the chipmunk-cheeks is the Republican nominee. The BHO supporter who called Senator Clinton a c*nt is either an ass or a freeper. There does that help?

[nomorewhopper]

60. the obama supporters aren't going to send your kids to die in a bogus war

[Mags]

70. My kids are to old to send to war, worry about your own, I don't anymore.

[Name removed]

80. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Barrymores Ghost]

82. Edit this, please. n/t

[Mags]

86. just what I have been saying, so much emotion and thrashing of a strong Woman

like Hillary, then you expect the Hillary voters to fall on their knees and worship the BHO one, the precious one that will fall on stage in a debate. Dream on

[bunnies]

92. Nice thing for Hillary to say Mags...

Dont forget, as you said, you speak for her. And you just told that poster that you dont give a shit about them or their family. :thumbsup:

[Mags]

95. you've got it.

[Barrymores Ghost]

103. Like I said: you've tipped over the brink and are plunging headlong into the abyss. n/t

[Mags]

105. just because I don't think I can vote for BHO. Yeah, right, so many millions are right with me.

[Barrymores Ghost]

113. Yes, I'm sure you speak for "millions..."

...who share that alternate reality that you hail from.

[Mags]

129. close your eyes and pretend that all Hillary folk will suddenly switch and vote

for BHO, the one that has tried to ruin any thing she has stood for, make light of her, call her anything you want and then turn around and expect us all to fall in line. That is maturity. That is intelligence, that is politics.

[Barrymores Ghost]

133. Welcome to the other side of the Looking Glass, Alice.

Please enjoy your stay. It appears you'll be there for a good long while. Ta-ta.

[Megahurtz]

114. Wow. FUCKING Wow!

N/T!

[Danger Mouse]

173. you're disgusting.

[Megahurtz]

111. I can appreciate your response

with a comment like that!

[Texasgal]

112. Please don't do this..

That kind of verbage no matter what is being said should not be tolerated period.

[myrna minx]

196. Wow. That's very callous and chilling. n/t

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

12. Sen. Obama says that the Operation Rescue folks are answering a "moral calling". Yet, feminists

support him. Go figure.

[bunnies]

Im sure the Operation Rescue folks believe they are.

And?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

142. Obama responded that way when asked about his friendship with an OK legislator who advocates

the death penalty for women/girls who have abortions.

He defended the POV of those who believe that, rather than denounce or disagree with that legislator's policy position.

That is all.

[lumpy]

190. I notice the Obamahaterists have steered away from your

post. Obama appears to pander to all sides by taking a neutral stance on important issues. God only knows how he feels about anything. He could be an uptight religious conservative for all we know.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

200. Yep, anything to avoid the dreaded "confrontation". Or so it seems.

[helderheid]

15. Best post .... EVER.

[bunnies]

24. Thanks helderheid!

:hug:

[Bucky]

20. The real explanation is this: people aren't terribly rational

I'm a good example. I'm a huge admirer of Clinton, but I refuse to support her for the nomination (Had she gotten the nomination it'd be a different story, obviously). People don't think much in terms of issues and what they want to see their government getting done.

For two million years humans lived and developed in an evolutionary environment in which survival was best assured by mistrust for other tribes of humans. We're constantly now on the outlook for signs of otherness in our fellow sapiens because of this. When the confrontation comes, our quickest instinct is to call out in the wilderness for allies against the Other.

The rational lines of argument about who's on my side vs who's on the other side are pretty irrelevant. People in stressed situations simply know, at an instinctive level, that they should denounce the otherness in others and use those differences to bring together their tribe to protect them, make themselves feel like they're part of a safe herd.

So once people self identify as the Clinton or the Obama tribe, any insult you hurl across the clearing at the Other serves as a psychological bandaid, a defiant, survival-affirming declaration that "I am not you, I am not the Other". Issues don't matter; people want to belong to a tribe. It just feels right to be in a tribe and compete against the Other. If there are no rocks to pick up and throw at each other, we'll throw talking points instead.

By November, I believe most Democrats will have realigned their passions and will be denouncing the real "Other" tribe in equally loud hoots and pants. And when I say "loud pants" that's not a dig at Senator Clinton's sense of fashion.

[bunnies]

23. Great post... and I hope you're correct.

Some sort of temporary insanity is over-taking many in the Hillary Camp. But as she continues bashing Obama at every possible turn, it seems to me that it can only get worse.

[redqueen]

40. You are teh smrt.

:)

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

21. That's because they're fake ass feminists. n/t

[NJmaverick]

26. I have found that many Hillary supporters don't use logic and reason, when it comes to their choices

I know one Obama basher, in her 60s, who hates the repukes and Bush with a passion. She has been very supportive of the democrats, but she refuses to vote for Obama. Her reasons:


He's a man, who talked down to Hillary in the debates, because she is a woman

He's an "arrogant asshole"


Ask her what policies she disagrees with- No answer

Ask her how his policies differ from Hillary's- No answer

Asked about what sort of future she would be leaving her grandkids- She doesn't care, she hates Obama

So it seems pretty clear that you have Hillary supporters who support her out of emotion, rather than logic and reason.

There also seems to be a tinge of sexism involved. As this Hillary supporter was looking for payback for all the mistreatment she had gotten from men.

[bunnies]

28. So.. their answer to perceived sexism is sexism.

And they dont give a damn about what happens to future generations. How fucked up is that?!

Not caring about future generations is one reason the earth is so screwed. If people would just use their brain for a second... we'd all be better off.

[Mags]

41. I just think you folk are overlooking so many of folk like what you just described.

There is a division in the party that will never be healed.

[Umbram]

51. There may be

but on both sides it is purely emotional and not at all rational.

[NJmaverick]

71. A division HILLARY CREATED

Her damage will take a long time to repair.

[Mags]

83. whatever, but BHO will pay the price.

[NJmaverick]

84. BUZZ! WRONG! All AMERICANS will pay the price for her horrible actions!

Although her followers will also shoulder some of the blame

[Mags]

93. You are already blaming someone else for his failures. Sounds like

the other empty suit, you know Mission Accomplished, GW Bush.

[NJmaverick]

109. Speaking of georgie boy, you sound just like him

Like bush you are unwilling to accept responsibility for your OWN actions

[Mags]

126. hey, let the next Pres. take care of it, that is what is going to happen. I'm sure BHO will smooth

everything over. Don't worry, be happy.

[Mags]

123. nah, if he is the Pres. he alone will shoulder the blame.

[NJmaverick]

127. If McCain is president, you (and Hillary) are going to shoulder the blame

because hillary selfishly destroyed the party in her lust for power, and because you enabled her (and abandoned the party and our Nation in it's hour of need).

[Mags]

135. oh, grow up, fast, if you can. Hillary would never destroy something she

has worked for many years for, Obama, he is just a fly by night guy who has not idea what the Dem party stands for. He calls for change, yet he has Kennedy, Sharpton, Jackson, Kerry, the old politicians, coming out for the bad stuff he wants to promote, like , Kennedy, the loser, saying that BHO doesn't need Clinton as the VP, BHO doesn't have the co jones to say it himself. He lets someone else to preform for him, he is just a lilly with no flaws. He is the kind of players that we all hate, but he is new, exciting, calling for change with the same old Kennedy, Kerry, Sharpton,,Jackson,McGovern, that have been


losers for the past I don't know how many years. So much for hope and change. Open your eyes before it is to late.

[bunnies]

140. Hypocrite.

You want to enable McCain and say 'to hell with everybody else' and you think YOU have a handle on what the Democratic party stands for?

Acid flash-back much?

NEWSFLASH: Hillary IS destroying what she 'worked so hard for' by tearing down our nominee.

Just switch to a Republican and get it over with. You already act like one.

[Barrymores Ghost]

144. Leave her alone, sweets...

...she's a little addled, and it's WAY past her bedtime.

Good posting. But at the end of the day, you just can't shine a flashlight through a concrete block.

Let her go back to "Golden Girls" reruns and her kittycat.

[bunnies]

154. *giggle* nt

[Mags]

146. ok , my dear.

[lumpy]

191. It just might be that Obama will destroy what many of us as well

as Hillary worked for like the woman's right to choose. When he doesn't defend ( as he hasn't done)Roe vs. Wade and panders to the far right on this issue it is telling that his agenda is to follow the fundy right religious nut cases. He is not firm on very important issues pandering to everyone in sight who he believes can help his egoistic desire to gain power. The Rev. Wright is just another example of pandering; it had to be pried out of him to denounce his dear friend Wright's offensive denunciations against whites and the US in general. You can be assured he only did this after being advised that it would hurt his campaign.

[bunnies]

197. False.

Obama will never destroy womens rights. Thats a completely illogical statement.

As far as Rev. Wright... its been covered a zillion times. Im not even going to waste my keystrokes.

[lumpy]

198. When Obama comes out and states that he defends women's

rights regarding Roe vs. Wade I will know that he is for women's rights, maybe. So far no word on that from him. Maybe he will drag his feet as he did about denouncing Rev. Wright until his handlers urge him to speak up like they had to do about Wright. Appears the guy wants to pander to all bases including the fundy religious right and reagonites. Where is the logic in Obama not standing up on the issues and his smokescreening by not stating his views? I guess I can trust him when he comes out from behind the curtain of silence on the issues.

[bunnies]

199. Here:

Obama Statement on 35th Anniversary of Roe v. Wade Decision
Chicago, IL | January 22, 2008

Chicago, IL -- Senator Barack Obama today released the following statement on the 35th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision.

"Thirty-five years after the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade, it's never been more important to protect a woman's right to choose. Last year, the Supreme Court decided by a vote of 5-4 to uphold the Federal Abortion Ban, and in doing so undermined an important principle of Roe v. Wade: that we must always protect women's health. With one more vacancy on the Supreme Court, we could be looking at a majority hostile to a women's fundamental right to choose for the first time since Roe v. Wade. The next president may be asked to nominate that Supreme Court justice. That is what is at stake in this election.

"Throughout my career, I've been a consistent and strong supporter of reproductive justice, and have consistently had a 100% pro-choice rating with Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America.

"When South Dakota passed a law banning all abortions in a direct effort to have Roe overruled, I was the only candidate for President to raise money to help the citizens of South Dakota repeal that law. When anti-choice protesters blocked the opening of an Illinois Planned Parenthood clinic in a community where affordable health care is in short supply, I was the only candidate for President who spoke out against it. And I will continue to defend this right by passing the Freedom of Choice Act as president.

"Moreover, I believe in and have supported common-sense solutions like increasing access to affordable birth control to help prevent unintended pregnancies. In the Illinois state Senate, when Congress failed to require insurance plans to cover FDA-approved contraceptives, I made sure those contraceptives were covered for women in Illinois. In the U.S. Senate, I've worked with Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) on a bill that would make birth control more affordable for low-income and college women, and introduced the Senate version of Representative Hilda Solis' bill to reduce unintended pregnancies in communities of color. As President, I will improve access to affordable health care and work to ensure that our teens are getting the information and services they need to stay safe and healthy.

"But we also know that Roe v. Wade is about more than a woman's right to choose; it's about equality. It's about whether our daughters are going to have the same opportunities as our sons. And so to truly honor that decision, we need to update the social contract so that women can free themselves, and their children, from violent relationships; so that a mom can stay home with a sick child without getting a pink slip; so that she can go to work knowing that there's affordable, quality childcare for her children; and so that the American dream is within reach for every family in this country. This anniversary reminds us that it's not enough to protect the gains of the past – we have to build a future that's filled with hope and possibility for all Americans."

http://www.barackobama.com/2008/01/22/obama_statement_on_35th_annive.php

[lumpy]

192. Got a 'love note' from Sen. Ted Kennedy yesterday asking

us to send Obama money like anywhere from $35 to $1000 or more. Yeah like we can let our bills go to help Obama make it to the top. Of course Obama's 'love note' was all about the 'American Dream'. As if I haven't heard about that elusive dream before. "Dream when you're feelin' blue, dream that's the thing to do. Dreams never are as bad as you feel so dream dream dream"

[mrreowwr_kittty]

30. Because they need a course in Feminism 101?

They seem to be confusing feminism with essentialism.

[Beausoir]

31. S-t-r-e-t-c-h!

:crazy:

[bunnies]

36. How so?

What about my post is a stretch? I can back up my OP. Your turn.

[JackORoses]

32. Fuck the Reproductive Rights of our Daughters and Granddaughters, We want Hillary!

:sarcasm:

[Mags]

49. let them fight their own battles, they have not appreciated the women

before them, now they want a new, young party, so be it. It's their fight to win now. I could care less about the young and naive woman that has trashed Hillary. They are only voting emotion. Let them eat cake.

[ecdab]

58. So if the next generation doesn't give you what you want - screw 'em!

LOL, reminds me of somebody else.

[Barrymores Ghost]

85. Wow. I didn't know that was the guiding principle of the "feminist" movement.

"To fight the individual's battle for today, so that future generations of women can repeat the same effort, ad nauseum, ad infinitum."

You're a fraud. And a lunatic. Please get help.

[Mags]

87. ok baby boy. whatever.

[Barrymores Ghost]

100. Excellent riposte.

Let's hope the official spokesperson for the Feminists of America displays as much elocutionary acumen as you.

[lumpy]

193. Calling anyone a fraud and a lunatic is an example of

'elocutionary acumen'? I have one better than that how about 'hypocrite', hypocrite.

[ecdab]

96. Spot on.

[Warren DeMontague]

122. And GET OFF MY LAWN, TOO, WHILE YOU'RE AT IT!

Damn Whippersnappers!

[JackORoses]

170. in other words, you are extremely selfish

damn the future of humanity, you want Hillary!

[lumpy]

194. Jack of Asses said it.

x

[Beacool]

38. Nice try!

It ain't going to work..........

[bunnies]

53. Nice TRY?

Refute it then. Please.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

39. I am not voting for McCain but, I do not find the "c" word to be

offensive. Sorry, I can't help it. The word cracks me up. If someone called me that I would bust out laughing right in their face.

[bunnies]

61. Neither do I...

But it seems that every other woman on the planet does.

[lumpy]

195. I 've heard that the only women who refer to themselves as

c**** are prostitutes. Enjoy your profession.

[Mags]

77. shows what a person with no character or dept is. What ever for you.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

161. bwahahahahahahaha

:rofl:

dear Mags, whatever for you, too darling :*

[Tuesday Afternoon]

169. THIS is insulting --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5905755

[Raine1967]

42. Not this feminist n/t

[WeDidIt]

47. It's kind of perplexing to me, too

:shrug:

I don't get why they want more Alitos on the court, either.

[bunnies]

57. Actions of people that hate women.

Under the guise of those who seek to advance them. It doesnt get more distasteful than that, imho.

[OzarkDem]

48. We reject your premise

Surely you can come up with something better that doesn't sound so much like Limbaugh.


If you really support your candidate, see if you can come up with a better argument for him.

[bunnies]

55. As the original provider of this link said...

"read it and weep" http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/?p=913

[Barrymores Ghost]

91. Good God...I just mustered a second look at that site...

The arm-flapping lunacy and the raging hysteria and the bitter, bile-laden vindictiveness are PALPABLE.

These people are neither progressives, nor Democrats, nor feminists. They are idiots and zealots, and they would deliberately shit where they eat, just so they could continue to whine about the stink and the taste of it.

[bunnies]

98. And those are the people these Clinton supporters are defending.

Blows my mind. The people on the site dont belong in the Democratic party anyway. Good fucking riddance to them.

[Binka]

178. I Am A Woman In The Midst Of Menopause So I Know It Can Make A Woman Crazy

That said I eat right, run, talk to my friends about how I feel, laugh, and cry too. I also have a 6 year old, a "late age baby" if you will, so I have more to think about than just my body, hormones, and the general "weirdness" that has taken over my physical being. I am also a single parent thanks to the narcissistic fuckjob that hijacked my life, but I have Peyton, so something good came from that. :loveya: that baby girl to death, Oh I digress, back to topic. Many women of a certain age, and I am there with them chronologically, seem to go nuts. This is where I leave my age peers on the curb.

I try to steer clear of them because I enjoy my sanity, but they are EVERYWHERE. Their lives are at the mid point and they are very unhappy with the outcome. Many of them see Hillary as some sort of compilation of all the things they wished they could have been. Forgetting of course that Hillary married a dick happy cheat, forgetting that she is here today doing and saying these nasty vile things on the coattails of that same cheat. These same women want to call Obama supporters a "cult" although that moniker more aptly applies to them, when it comes to their alignment and adoration of all things Hillary.

So back to my point, there are many ignorant (because they will NOT be honest to themselves), unhappy, and bitter women going through a struggle in their lives and they just don't have a clue as to how to stop it. Then here comes Hillary and they hang their unhappy cap on her, because to them, she is gonna make it all better. She isn't and a thinking woman KNOWS that. I've seen and felt much in my 49 years here on our blue ball. I've been kicked in the teeth more times than I care to remember and I have danced in my underpants and hooted at the moon too.

Dancing in the panties is much more fun but it takes guts and COURAGE. These sad sacks that are parading around as wounded "feminists" don't even know the meaning of the word. Hillary is offering NOTHING to them, in fact she is diminishing them with her entitlement arrogance. I'm done here.

[Barrymores Ghost]

76. "We?" You got a mouse in yer pocket, sister?

Look at you, presuming to speak for the "feminists" of DU.

What a joke.

[Warren DeMontague]

120. You don't think the fact that the next pres. will probably fill Justice Stevens's seat on the SCOTUS

is a "better argument"?

Here's the argument for Obama: He's pro-choice. He's progressive. He will get our troops out of Iraq. He accepts science, like the evolution and global warming. 4 more years of GOP rule will be a fucking DISASTER. I don't care how angry, hurt, or "bitter" you are that your person lost, there is NO WAY IN HELL anyone could possibly imagine that having Barack Obama in the White House wouldn't be LIGHT YEARS better for all of us than John McCain.

[Hawaii Hiker]

50. Yeah, & I've mentioned this several times, how about the joke McBush made about Chelsea Clinton

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

Not only does McBush get a free pass from the media, he's getting a pass by some Hillary supporters, who think he's a better choice than Obama...

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Catherina]

54. Those aren't feminists. Those are Republican, war and DLC shills

hiding behind feminism when they don't understand the first thing about it. It's time we stopped playing this charade. The real feminists who were supporting Clinton, and some still are, would never consider McCain.

This McCain thing is Operation Chaos at its ugliest but it's not going to work.

Thank you. Great post.

[ej510]

63. McCain is white he can say whatever he wants as long as he isn't running against Hillary.

Whether people want to admitt it alot the election has proven that there are alot of racist people in this country. There are also racist feminist as well.

[dano81818]

62. you don't know what it's like to live with her, do you?

not excusing it, but maybe that's how they talk to eachother.

[eridani]

181. In private is one thing, in public is another

With absolutely zero provocation, unless ruffling his hair counts.

[sniffa]

64. Good luck to you on this thread

I haven't read it yet, but I know how much of it will turn out.

That's my mom's favorite word, btw.

[bunnies]

65. I got my big girl britches on.

They're flame proof! :hi:

[TragedyandHope]

69. It's called, "Cutting off your nose to spite your face."

No big mystery.

[Peterquagmire]

72. He left his wife when she had cancer

And indeed she died of cancer.

[bunnies]

75. Seriously?

I did not know that. What a total piece of shit. wow.

[Wetzelbill]

94. no it was Newt Gingrich who did that

His wife had a car accident in 1969, and was hurt badly in it. He came back and went threw physical therapy for his own injuries and then started running around on her. He ended up marrying his current wife who he cheated on his first wife with.

[bunnies]

137. ...

:wow: Yet they call Obama the misogynist? I'm seriously starting to get really pissed off. McCain treats women like shit... and Hillary sticks with a cheater. Go feminism? :shrug: :banghead:

[Faygo Kid]

81. Aren't you thinking of Newt Gingrich?

I think McCain just left his wife for a young hottie with a $100 million.

[Wetzelbill]

88. no it was after she had been seriously injured in an automobile accident

[alphafemale]

110. No. She'd been in a a serious auto wreck. McCain's quote about her was repulsive.

Keep in mind that she had not let anyone tell McCain about her accident so it wouldn't damage his morale as he was imprisoned.

And what does he say about her?

"She was several inches shorter and had gained a lot of weight."

I posted a thread about this.

And there was a photo of her posted therein.

[Barrymores Ghost]

74. They're the furthest thing from feminists... (K&R)

No feminist would vote for a candidate or support a party that would devote himself/itself to perpetuating an illegal occupation that has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children, and who would stack the SCOTUS with 2-3 more right-wingnut, theocratic, anti-choice, anti-civil-liberties zealots.

No, these strident windbags -- these FRAUDS -- are a special breed unto themselves: sycophantic misogynists who want a woman -- ANY woman -- to be president so badly that they'll turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to her racism, to her corporatist sympathies, to her egomaniacal self-possession, and to her shameless shilling for the opposition party.

God help the real feminists of America if their future depends on this dissembling band of freaks who are living in denial.

[MirrorAshes]

118. wow. well said.

this feigned outrage over Obama is completely manufactured, and anybody who genuinely buys into it is only doing themselves and the rest of the country an enormous disservice. I realize that the Hillary camp, and women especially had every reason in the world to be completely invested in her candidacy, but sometimes things just don't go the way you want. And when that happens, you take a look at the big picture and cut your losses. To take out the anger over Hillary's loss on Obama amounts to political treason, if you ask me.

[Barrymores Ghost]

125. Thanks, and your additional points are also well-met...

This crazy clarion call of "sexism" is nothing but a translucent shield they use to ward off the blinding rays of a reality that doesn't sit too well with them and their preconceived notions of Saint Hillary of Arc. Cognitive dissonance is a jagged, bitter pill to swallow. Political treason, in the guise of a self-righteous "protest" over manufactured oppression, is just the chaser they need.

[Forkboy]

106. Because for many of them sexism was just a tool to use against those they didn't agree with.

It's not something they genuinely care about, and their baby-like tantrums and threats illustrate it perfectly.

[bunnies]

115. Bingo.

Reading this thread, how could I not agree.

[VotesForWomen]

143. but the racism charges from O-nuts are perfectly legit, right?

[Forkboy]

148. Never said that.

But as you're one of the worst offenders here on DU, your word on either topic is worth fuck all.

[sociallybanned]

153. O - nuts is the perfect term

Hillary was misquoted by the O camp once again and the stupid mainstream media has stated she said it all. If people would pay attn, especially the Obama supporters, Hillary quoted by stated the media stated that she has uneducated white men voters. She just reiterated what they said. Just like McCain, he didn't say 100 years in IRAQ. I blame the media for the fault of this country. Mainstream media is no different than the National Enquirer or The Sun, all tabloids.

[bunnies]

155. Jezus. Here we go again.

Shes tough! Shes a victim! Shes tough! Shes a victim! :eyes:

[Danger Mouse]

175. Enjoy your stay. Have some pizza..

[knixphan]

124. good question, bunnies!

[VotesForWomen]

136. well, sometimes there are no good choices, you know?

[bunnies]

138. huh?

McCain will strip women of their rights. Obama will ensure them.

No good choices? Excuse me?

[Forkboy]

149. That's some deep thinking there.

[cornermouse]

145. Neither McCain nor his followers have insulted me.

And then there the uncomfortable feeling I get every time I look at what Obama has said about abortion and other issues on smaller more private venues where he may have thought his statements would go unnoticed. Between that and his repeated statement that he's going to reach across the aisle I'm not sure we should expect much in the way of change.

[sociallybanned]

150. Obama supporters divided the party

Obamas' statements do not get published in mainstream media. The mainstream turned from radical Bush supporting fools to radical liberalism as such as Hugo Chavez. Obama has been marketed so heavily and made a rock star, that it amazes me how easy it is to cover so much up. You know that movie, Snakes on a Plane, it was heavily marketed and people were so disappointed in it. But hey, that's what happens when you don't do your homework. I am campaigning for Hillary in Kentucky. Obama supporters have been so radical and display so little of class, it's turned me off that I will not vote for McCain or Obama. Yep, I once use to be an Obama supporter but then I did my homework and stopped riding on that bandwagon of YES, WE CAN! What can we do! Where are the solutions!


It is the Obama supporters dividing the party. I'm democratic all the way, however, it's the supporters that are turning me off and I might just as well as not vote this November if he is on the ticket. I refuse to vote McCain but I'm starting to feel these aggressive radical supporters. Why does Obama attract radicalism? We all know about the 20 years of sermons he wasn't forced to hearing but these supporters are unbelievable. While I'm supporting Hillary by volunteering visibility in KY, I get both of my Hillary signs stolen out of my yard. Another supporter had her car covered with Obama stickers to the point she had to take it to the body shop to get them removed. I'm not talking about 10 stickers, I'm talking about 100s of stickers. How sad is it that they are dividing the party. We get a lot of honks but we do receive the f bomb, and one girl had a white guy gesturing to her like he was shooting a gun. We get some fingers and of course the campaign headquarters were trashed. Do we think it's McCain supporters? Not when they carry an Obama 08 sticker on their car or yell out his name to us with F Hillary. This is worse than the Bush / Kerry election. I' m just amazed how Obama supporters can tear this party apart.

McCain supporters at least have class!

[Forkboy]

152. Here's another one the media saw as a rock star.

McCain supporters at least have class!

Enjoy your stay dumbass.

[MirrorAshes]

167. too funny. all 3 of us responded to this at the same time.

when i started typing up my quick little reply there, nobody else had commented.

good to know that despite the clinton/obama feuding the freep-dar is still in good working order around here!:evilgrin:

[Robeson]

157. "McCain supporters at least have class!"....

...at least you're out in the open. Enjoy, what I'm certain, will be a short stay...

[MirrorAshes]

166. "McCain supporters at least have class!"

oops, probably should have left that last part out.

enjoy your stay, it'll be a short one.

[bunnies]

184. McCain supporters have CLASS?

Kinda like that lady that stood up and asked how he planned to stop "that bitch"? Yeah. Thats class. You're on the wrong fucking board, my friend.

[Forkboy]

151. Are you really that fragile, thin-skinned and ignorant?

Your "uncomfortable feeling" is absurd.

Voting Record:
Sen. Obama received the following scores on NARAL Pro-Choice America's Congressional Record on Choice.
2007: 100 percent
2006: 100 percent
2005: 100 percent

"Thirty-five years after the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade, it's never been more important to protect a woman's right to choose... Throughout my career, I've been a consistent and strong supporter of reproductive justice, and have consistently had a 100% pro-choice rating with Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America... I believe in and have supported common-sense solutions like increasing access to affordable birth control to help prevent unintended pregnancies... As President, I will improve access to affordable health care and work to ensure that our teens are getting the information and services they need to stay safe and healthy."
http://www.barackobama.com/2008/01/22/obama_statement_on_35th_annive.php>

"A woman's ability to decide how many children to have and when, without interference from the government, is one of the most fundamental rights we possess. It is not just an issue of choice, but equality and opportunity for all women.

"I have consistently advocated for reproductive choice and will make preserving women's rights under Roe v. Wade a priority as President. I oppose any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's ruling in this case.

http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elections/statements/obama.html
+++++++++++++++++++

Voting Record:
Sen. McCain has an anti-choice record. He received the following scores on NARAL Pro-Choice America's Congressional Record on Choice.
2007: 0 percent
2006: 0 percent
2005: 0 percent
2004: 0 percent
2003: 0 percent
2002: 0 percent
2001: Because only one choice-related vote was taken in 2001 – to confirm John Ashcroft as United States Attorney General – no numerical score was given for the year. Sen. McCain voted anti-choice.

Sen. McCain told Chris Matthews, "the rights of the unborn is one of my most important values."


# "I’m proud that we have Justice Alito and Roberts on the United States Supreme Court. I’m very proud to have played a very small role in making that happen." McCain explained further that he "will try to find clones of Alito and Roberts" to fill future court vacancies.


# "If I am fortunate enough to be elected as the next President of the United States, I pledge to you to be a loyal and unswerving friend of the right to life movement."
http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=26539 (accessed January 30, 2008.)>

"I do not support Roe v. Wade. It should be overturned."


http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elections/statements/mccain.html
++++++++++++++++

Get over yourself and be a fucking adult.

[cornermouse]

156. Like I said.

It's not what he says when everyone's watching or on his Obama for President website. It's what he says when he thinks the real liberals won't find out about it.

As far as the rest of it. How do you Obama supporters call it? Plonk?

[Forkboy]

160. Oh please. You're a child.

Naral isn't Obama, and they are real liberals. 100% to 0% and you're trying to act like you're smarter than they are. Delusional much?

:eyes:

[Danger Mouse]

174. If you somehow think McCain would be a better president than Obama...

then you should look into signing up at Free Republic.
It might be a better place for you.

[VotesForWomen]

147. if O was a black woman would (s)he be our nominee right now? nuff said

[bunnies]

162. Only madam cleo knows.

It must be nice to be psychic.

[barack the house]

158. This is what destroys the feminist argumnt feminism is only supported via our party.

[Imagevision]

159. Quite obviously most feminists haven't heard this tale yet...

[hopein08]

168. I haven't, though I'm not a feminist so much, will you tell the tale, please?

[Mezzo]

171. Obama supporters called Hillary a fucking whore, and I'm supposed to go out of my way?

This was a national supporter, and he never said a word. I don't give a rat's ass if he had insight to the posting of this radio shindig on his website THAT IT WAS THERE AT ALL means he should have responded to it.

So please leave out what an old man said when he was irritated. Obama did that calm as a cucumber.

(edit: typo)

[Mushroom]

172. Pukes

mistreat women, have selective memory, lie like rugs, see enemies everywhere, overreact, and project without a serious bone in their bodies. With a lousy character like that, why would the nasty obama supporters have a problem embracing mccain?

It's a mystery.

[xchrom]

177. you're gonna vote for a anti-gay bigot called obama -- nt.

[last_texas_dem]

180. Is enabling a McCain presidency somehow "pro-gay"?

[Danger Mouse]

182. bwahaha...

:rofl:

[Warren DeMontague]

188. I know. He puts his anti-gay bigotry right there on his website, for all to see.

http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome



Whereas Hillary, friend of GLBT citizens that she is, expresses her solidarity by completely ignoring their existence and issues on her website.

[LowerManhattanite]

185. And someone in several threads has decided instead of discussing the OP...

...to pull a Slim Pickens and ride the bomb all the way down while going “Yeee-hah!” the whole time. “Sigh!” I hate *GBCW meltdowns.

Never mind McCain's noxious and verbally abusive sexism towards his own wife.





*GBCW=Goodbye Cruel World

[grantcart]

187. Why did he call her a 'cant' ?