Buchanan: "Hillary's Coalition is Bigger and BETTER Than Obama's"

[K Gardner]

I knew I should never have turned the TV back on. It's just too soon.

On the disgusting pundit panel show "Race" with David Gregory, Eugene was reading his rather irate article on why Hillary's "white" comments were out of place and inappropriate for ANY Democratic candidate.

Buchanan responded, and I'll paraphrase until I can find video or transcript: "Hillary was right. She was saying that her coalition of hard-working blue collar workers and women was bigger and BETTER than Obama's coalition of Move On.Org people, children, blacks and eggheads."

Not word for word. But that is the new meme.

Eugene rightly pointed out: "Except for the fact that Obama's coalition has won him more votes, more pledged delegates, more states than hers."

Edited to ask for a clarification or better report on these remarks if anyone has it. The steam coming out of my ears may have interfered with my memory of what was said.

[anonymous171]

1. She has no coalition. She has a voting bloc that she will have to defend from McCain.

[cliffordu]

3. Yep.

[JVS]

44. That's a very good point. Once the GE campaign starts these people are up for grabs..

and unless Hillary were a particularly good campaigner (and she's not, as evidenced from her apple cart being overturned) she is very likely to lose her hold on those voters.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

82. Once the GE campaign starts, ALL people are up for grabs

We can't just assume Obama's blocs will vote for him. They probably won't go for McCain, but they could lose interest and just stay home. Keeping the voters energized, or getting them re-energized, will be a challenge.

:hi:

[PoliticalAmazon]

55. Hillary is not a threat,, not as long as we don't empower her by freaking out...

every time she or one of her minions, like Buchanan, spew some bullshit.

They WANT us to continue to react and be angry. That is the only way Hillary can win is if people are angry and hating each other.

Obama is doing the right thing by ignoring her. He has ceased empowering her with his reaction. This has caused her to get even more nutball, and when he doesn't react, she reacts by getting even more out there. He is allowing her the space to thooughly discredit herself, and to alienate her own supporters.

I think we should take our cues from him. Don't rise to the Hillary anger-bait. Don't empower he with you reaction. Show her that she truly is irrelevant and insignificant. Let her supporters see who she truly is, because I think she is going to totally lose it before this is over.

Just my opinion. I'm looking at the long-term goal here, and now focusing on how we can give the Hillary supporters the breathing time they need to make a non-reactive decision regarding how they will vote in NOvember. I think once Hillary has sufficiently discredited herself, every time Hillary spews another anger-bait, Hillary supporters will move just a little closer to Obama. ALong the way, I think Obama will be working his ass off to win the support of the Hillary supporters.

But none of this can happen if we continue to empower Hillary with our freaked-out and angry reactions, because she FEEDS off it.

[Egnever]

73. well said and spot on

This thing is won. Reacting to what hillary says now no matter how outrageous gains nothing.

[ReverendDeuce]

2. Understand that Gregory's show is very Clinton-friendly...

David Gregory is the chief Clinton cheerleader on MSNBC, so his show will have a decidedly anti-Obama stance to it.

[PoliticalAmazon]

51. Gregory's show is now SIMULCAST on our local progressive station....

that usually carries largely AAR programming.

I was darned used to driving home listening to Rachel Maddow, and now my choice is Gregory or no progressive radio.

[Stop Cornyn]

4. I'm just trying to figure out if I'm an elite or an egghead.

[K Gardner]

5. I don't even know what an egghead is. Does that make me an uninformed voter?

[roseBudd]

12. Eggheads are smart people who think logically and don't use magical thinking

[K Gardner]

17. Thanks :-)

[NotThisTime]

22. Is this egghead term a bad thing? I'm an engineer, I think logically, I'm sorry.

But no wonder why I support Obama

[Kber]

29. Engineers are eggheads. All of them. No exceptions.

Unless you are engineering cooler motercycles, maybe.

:)

We eggheads are intelectual nerds - that's the real defination, I think.

[NotThisTime]

61. Thanks... I think being intellectual is a good thing

[roguevalley]

75. the repugs in the fifties used it against Adlai Stevenson. Repugs

love to be stupid. they bask in it.

[Stop Cornyn]

46. I think that makes you a non-elite egghead. I, on the other hand, aspire to elite egghead status

[Usrename]

47. Egghead was the first pinball machine I ever played.

[NJSecularist]

6. She does have a larger coalition.

She has working class whites, which by themselves are a larger general election electorate than blacks and affluent liberals. She also has Latinos and Asian Americans, along with a formidable white female voting bloc. Her general election coalition is larger.

[Indenturedebtor]

9. In the primaries she does. But I don't think McCain would dare

Racebait quite as much as she and her campaign have. But it doesn't really matter what "coalition" she had... it's over. Sorry.

[NJSecularist]

16. No, in the general election she has a much larger coalition than Obama.

In the primaries, they have about an equal coalition.

[KSinTX]

48. Her primary voting bloc gets subsumed by McCain in the GE

Obama's does not. The third leg - Independents - they share evenly at this point, so that depends on how the GE plays out.

[NJSecularist]

49. Obama's "overwhelming" independent support is all but gone.

He lost independents in North Carolina.

[catgirl]

56. Wake up, you're dreaming.... Wake up, please

(it may be too late, I'm sorry).

[KSinTX]

58. It may have been gone in NC. Not all across the rest of the country.

He doesn't lose independents in the national polls against McCain either.

[roseBudd]

60. in the GE she actually has to get more whites than McCain, the GOP is the white brand party

like Texas where she doesn't stand a chance

[Indenturedebtor]

62. Disagree

She has much higher negative numbers than Obama. And he polls better on the Iraq war by far, which is a big draw for pukes and independents.

And in any case she lost so what difference does it make? :shrug:

[MattBaggins]

79. Logic and Reasoning for 100 Alex

If her Bloc were larger than Obamas coalition she would be winning.

[K Gardner]

10. Strange then, that she lost the nomination to a "newcomer" .

[ProSense]

14. "She does have a larger coalition. She has working class whites..." Then why isn't she winning?

Hillary supporters are so eager to pick up and run with her race baiting talking point.

[roseBudd]

15. Then how come she is losing? Defectors?

[NJSecularist]

18. It is very hard to overcome block black voting.

She steps into every state down in that demographic 90-10. In a lot of states, she will have a hard time winning simply due to that.

[Cassandra]

23. Who knew that Iowa had enough blacks...

to form a block? :shrug:

[Kber]

32. Learn something new here every day!

[knixphan]

74. lol - The Iowa black panthers...

[lob1]

26. But she had the black vote in the beginning. She lost it.

[Kber]

33. Exactly right. Remember when Obama wasn't bringing in 50%?

Either she lost it or he earned it. Same result in the end.

[NJSecularist]

39. Which state did he not win 50% of the black vote?

Please, by all means, let me know.

[Kber]

64. Links to ancient history

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7299432

Black Voters Aren't Fully Sold on Obama
by Juan Williams

Listen Now <5 min 10 sec> add to playlist

Morning Edition, February 9, 2007 · Sen. Barack Obama may be the first African-American candidate to enter a presidential race as one of the front-runners. But can the Illinois Democrat command the black vote? That remains unclear.

...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7638021
Poll Shows Black Voters Shifting to Obama
Listen Now <59 sec> add to playlist

Morning Edition, February 28, 2007 · A new Washington Post-ABC poll shows increased support among black voters for Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois. It could be significant as Obama vies with a fellow Democrat, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, for the party's presidential bid.

...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/29/AR2007012900038_pf.html
No Lock on Black Voters for Obama

By BETH FOUHY and ERIN TEXEIRA
The Associated Press
Monday, January 29, 2007; 1:44 AM



NEW YORK -- Being black doesn't necessarily mean White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama has a lock on black voters.

In wooing a faithful Democratic constituency, Obama faces two-term New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, the party front-runner who enjoys strong support in the black community. She also is married to former President Clinton, so wildly popular among black voters that novelist Toni Morrison dubbed him "the first black president" in a 1998 essay.

...

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/27/america/NA-POL-US-Obama-Blacks.php

Obama also is up against the formidable Hillary Rodham Clinton, the Democratic front-runner who enjoys strong support from black voters and is married to former President Bill Clinton, who is wildly popular in the black community.

The Associated Press interviewed Democratic voters across the state, including about a dozen black voters, and found evidence of excitement and doubts.

The South Carolina primary, coming after the heavily white Iowa and New Hampshire votes, and after Nevada casts its ballots, is crucial for Obama, because doing well could provide momentum in later state votes and provides a forecasts for his chances elsewhere, especially among black voters.

Obama gains ground, adding superdelegates and labor voicesPresident Evo Morales of Bolivia agrees to stand in proposed recall voteFormer CIA operative seeks to resurrect lawsuit against Bush administration

There's more. Google is our friend.

[NJSecularist]

66. Why are you avoiding my question?

Which primaries/caucuses did he not get 50+% of the black vote?

I'll be waiting.

[CreekDog]

71. didn't realize it was a bad thing

but that's just me i guess. :shrug:

[NJSecularist]

34. That is a myth. Obama won 72% of blacks in Iowa. n/t

[roseBudd]

59. Right ... because there are more blacks than whites... makes perfect sense

[rocktivity]

65. If her general election coalition was larger, she'd be leading Obama

regardless of who it was composed of.

:headbang:
rocknation

[roseBudd]

7. an important distinction is that voting rates decline for lower income uneducated demographics...

Presidential elections attract 50% of eligible voters. They don't come equally from educated and uneducated populations.

Hillary needs needs to win more low information voting whites in states where the low information voting whites aren't voting in higher numbers for the GOP. Our states electoral votes are winner take all. If McCain gets 1 more Bubba than Hillary in any given state she's will have lost that state.

[Missouri Girl]

8. I think you accurately summarized.

Again, as others have pointed out, when you are a Democratic presidential candidate and Pat Buchanan is on the sidelines, with pom-poms, screaming, "You go girl!" - - well, now that is a real problem.

[MadBadger]

11. He didnt say elites, he made reference to move-on.org people

[K Gardner]

20. Yup, you're right, thanks !

[L0oniX]

13. Well I think we all know that Buchanan is a bigot so why even listen to that asscarrot.

[Mimosa]

19. Well I think we all know that Buchanan is a bigot so why even listen to that asscarrot.

Loonix, a cogent comment which bears repeating.

[BlooInBloo]

21. Always good to see the bigots' side adequately represented.

[redqueen]

24. Jesus.

*sigh*

[TragedyandHope]

25. Honestly, don't even both repeating this drivel

Obama could not have won his numbers without broad support of whites of every size, shape, height, weight, sex, age, hair color, aftershave, income, education, pronunciation, deviation, hard working, lazy, whatever.

All the groups she claims to have the edge in have also voted for Obama and he has made steady inroads during this campaign. In the GE, he will have much higher numbers.

When the reality of McCain sets in, many of these "hard workers" will stick to their Democratic American values and vote for Obama. Sure, Obama may lose some, but he will win over more.

None of these labels mean anything when you get down to looking at people as people. Some will go one way, some will go the other.

It's a specious argument to begin with and it frankly, doesn't warrant serious consideration or worry.

[K Gardner]

30. You're right. I need to turn this crap off again. After Tuesday, I honestly thought this

Clinton-inspired race-baiting and division was over. I expect it from the republicans. I don't expect it from Democrats and to see it parotted on TV and HERE is infuriating.

[Cha]

40. I knew it wasn't..I know

hilary too well by now and it's only going to get uglier. You see how desperately cornered ratesque they are?

[anonymous171]

27. One group is not a coalition. It's a bloc.

She has no coalition.

[Kber]

28. Since Obama has more votes, her coalition is not bigger (fact).

as far as it being "better", well that's a totally subjective opinion informed by ones own personal views and prelictions.

[H2O Man]

31. Sad day

when Pat Buchanan is advocating one's position in the democratic primary.

[milkyway]

35. Buchanan would know.

[TexanDem]

36. Buchanan is in a panic! Gregory's show should be on Faux News!

[Cha]

37. Low Information Voters..yeah, who knew pat buchannan

was such liar. What is it about hilary that brings out the lies in supporters and surrogates? And, if they're not lying they're busy beatin' a dead horse.

[Raine1967]

38. It's time

to stop making Hillary relevant to this race.

And when I say race, I mean the primary. ;)

It is time to start focusing on the GE, and John MCCain. Forget her. It is over. Stop wasting time on her and START spending time on JOHN McCAIN!!!

[Bensthename]

41. What ever Pat says, the opposite is true..

He would love nothing more then this to go to August.

[ericgtr]

42. Her coalition needs a flush

[nichomachus]

43. The sad thing is

that Mom and Pop Buchanan didn't smother Pat and his harpy of a sister in their cribs.

[goclark]

45. Thanks Eugene ~ he is doing a fine job of smacking them down

Pat and MC are in the same generation and both have their eyes wide shut.

[PoliticalAmazon]

50. Just because Bcuchanan and Hillary say it doesn't mean it's true....

...Obviously she doesn't have a larger coaliation because she is not winning. Republicans will NEVER vote for Hillary, and she is more delusional than even I thought if she believes they will.

This is just me speaking, but I don't see how giving Buchanan and Hillary more play here on the forum helps our long-term goal of uniting the party so we can win in November.

Just my advice: Take a cue from Obama: Don't react to every bullshit thing Hillary and her minions, like Buchanan, do. He's not reacting at all, and her reaction to that is to get even more out there, and when Obama and his supporters don't give her the reaction she wants, she will get even MORE out there. Eventually she is going to convince her supporters herself that she is a bad choice for presdent.

[KaptBunnyPants]

52. That explains why she won.

How could Obama succeed in the face of such a mighty coalition?

[graywarrior]

53. Every night, Buchanan deletes his temporary files and the next day he

has all new files in which to make stupid comments about.

[catgirl]

54. Look up racist in the encyclopedia and you'll find Buchanan

What a piece of crap he is. CRAP, I said.

[Liberal Veteran]

57. Hey if you can't trust a frothing at the mouth bigot like Buchanan, who can you trust?

:rofl:

[Brundle_Fly]

63. if you cant see obama building a massive working class backing

then you don't know GºBama.

[mattclearing]

67. Haha...you know you played the race card when the last person defending you is Pat Buchanan. n/t

[rocktivity]

68. If Hillary's coalition is bigger and better than Obama's:

she'd have the pledged delegate lead
she'd have the superdelegate lead
she'd have the popular vote lead
she'd have primary/caucus win lead
she'd have the campaign funds lead
she'd be closer to clinching the delegate lead than Obama is

If Hillary's coalition is bigger and better than Obama's, she'd be winning.

:headbang:
rocknation

[cliffordu]

69. DING DING DING We have a winner!!!

Yep!!

[ShortnFiery]

70. Agreeing with Pat Buchanan should always be "a red flag" for one's moral compass.

:shrug:

[CreekDog]

72. don't you love how whites get to have all kinds of subgroups?

...but blacks are just "blacks", no subgroups, they all might as well just be Samuel L. Jackson. :eyes:

[SeattleGirl]

76. Buchanan needs to be TS'd from the television machine.

Fucking racist hack! :puke:

[judasdisney]

77. Why do the Neocons want Hillary for the nominee?

[Perry Logan]

78. Smarter than Obama's. That's for sure.

[FrenchieCat]

80. How's that? Smarter.

That coalition who's threatening to vote for a NeoCon who likes conservative judges, all because their girl didn't get the nod from voters? That's smart? :crazy:

[Forkboy]

81. Apparently not.

[Medusa]

83. The Repugs are positively desperate for HIllary to win this

because they know they can beat her in November. If they got any more transparent they'd all be made of glass.

[Hepburn]

84. So if her coalition is supposedly bigger and better than Obama's....

...why the hell did she lose the nomination to him?

:shrug: