In Her Own Words

[azmouse]

[marylanddem]

1. Wow - this is so right on. Thanks for posting.

[azmouse]

5. Benson is one of the best editorial cartoonists.... ever.

And he's impartial. He slams Dems and Reps equally.

[nichomachus]

32. Really?

Our local paper carried him a few years back and I always found him to be a right-wing hack.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. It's called "triangulation". K&R

[Boz]

11. Hillary may not be a racist, but she has been one for certain people

and for others she has been blue color and others she has been a pennsylvania born and bread down homer and others an abused wife and others a corporate figurehead and others an executive elitist.

There used to be a time you could tell people you were one of each of those groups individually to the exclusion of the other finding out, everybody can see you say it in this day and age and it is that flip pandering that has cost her and why most of her supporters jump to her defense because they only see one hillary they identify with and lock in on.

Therefore she cant be what others say she is, shes not that to me.

Thats why shes loosing, no one knows who she is.

[Skidmore]

17. Death and youtube are the great equalizers.

Perhaps we've finally come to a time when politicians will have to be authentic.

[Boz]

20. Thats why he has succeeded, he is what he is

I saw that in chicago before he became Gobama!

Hes the real deal and that makes alot of people afraid of him.

[MonkeyFunk]

3. Well

that cartoon is a horrible caricature of what she said, but do you disagree that a dem candidate has to do well with white voters to win?

[marylanddem]

7. Well

Obama is doing extremely well with white voters. And she knew damned well exactly what kind of racist crap she was spewing.

[redqueen]

9. Exactly. He has won predominantly-white states handily.

Racist crap is exactly what it is.

[MonkeyFunk]

18. But who does better

with white, working class voters?

[redqueen]

19. According to that AP article, she does.

However, without analyzing those statistics, and comparing them to other states, it's hard to see how it makes much difference at this point.

[MonkeyFunk]

21. So you haven't bothered

to check out the actual argument she's making, and instead, just jumped on the "she's a racist!" bandwagon?

[redqueen]

22. I know what argument she's making.

The fact is it doesn't matter. He has won.

I never said "she's a racist!"... most people here have not. That's just a sad, tired strawman that is used to avoid admitting that her campaign's latest tactic is to appeal to racist voters, or to try to convince the SDs that racist voters will not vote for Obama, so they should support her.

[JBoy]

23. Actually, what she said is also factually incorrect.

Her claim that Obama's support was weakening among whites and those without college degrees is not correct.

To support her argument, she used AP-Yahoo polling data from May 3rd, rather than more current and accurate exit polling data from NC and IN.

If you look at the exit poll data, Obama's support among those groups has increased since OH and PA.

TX OH MS PA IN NC

White 44 34 26 37 40 37
No College 42 40 58 42 46 56
College Grad 55 51 62 49 50 57
Over $50K 51 47 52 45 49 60
Under $50K 47 42 66 46 50 54

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/8/114550/1998/837/511733

[redqueen]

26. Thank you!

That is exactly what I meant about needing to analyze the numbers she was using.

This isn't the first time she's chosen to use numbers that weren't the most recent, in order to bolster her image in the press.

[MonkeyFunk]

31. so you're faulting her for not using the polling data

YOU want? She was using real polling data, and it's silly to say she was wrong just because you can find other polls.

she's making an argument - just like any politician does. The fact is, he's not doing that well with white, working class voters. There's nothing at all wrong with using that fact to make an argument to superdelegates.

[JBoy]

35. No, I'm "bothering" to check out the argument she's making, which was your complaint above.

Of course she's going to select any data that supports her case. I would expect nothing less from her.

[MonkeyFunk]

36. well it's not like it's easy to prove her wrong

she DOES do better with white, working class voters than Obama does. He got 37% of the white vote in NC. He had 44% in TX. So depending on which states you look at, you can argue that he's doing worse.

[mcctatas]

12. I always hesitate to respond on this issue because the obvious

answer is of course we do, that being said, I think this whole "he can't win them over" meme is bullshit. Of course if you point to the states where he has won the white male vote, you are immediately told "those were bullshit caucus states" (which have never seemed to bother democrats before this election, but I digress), so this argument is pointless until we have a nominee...

[Buzz Clik]

4. Not a podium -- the bed of a pickemup truk

[azmouse]

6. Ohhhh... that would've been perfect!

:)

[wvbygod]

8. What a hateful and ignorant cartoon

The artist must be very good at making shit up. I doubt the artist is a "typical white person".

[azmouse]

10. Like HRC is good at making things up?

[marylanddem]

13. And what, exactly, is a "typical white person"?

[mcctatas]

14. Dog whistle word alert...

i bet the poster has one of those "Typical bitter white person" bumper stickers...

[wvbygod]

29. wrong. I have Hillary and Gore stickers on my truck

Are there really such stickers out there?

[redqueen]

16. Isn't that how Obama referred to his mother?

[woo me with science]

24. The poster is quoting Obama. nt

[wvbygod]

27. Ask Obama since they are his words

I really don't know and I consider it a very ignorant remark from someone
who should know better.

[redqueen]

15. How do you feel about the practice of Mountain Top Removal?

http://www.appvoices.org/index.php?/frontporch/blogposts/obama_says_that_we_must_find_a_way_around_mtr/

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/3/19/16232/9817

[wvbygod]

25. MTR is disgusting and only makes the owners rich

Anti-MTR bumper stickers outnumber every other sticker here.
We need much more support and money from environmental groups than what
we are getting now.

[redqueen]

28. So glad to hear it!

It's a disgusting practice that needs to STOP ASAP, and I'm glad to see that Obama's responding the way I think a Dem should.

Hope you enjoyed the links... please spread the news!

And I also hope you and your fellow WVirginians enjoy your time in the media spotlight! :hi:

[mopinko]

30. she is in the wrong party.

that guy looks like a republican to me. let them keep that voter.

[Goodnevil]

34. I'm surrounded

by that voter here in AR, but you have to get whom you can get. As long as the leadership is strong and our base is still liberal I don't believe that there will be any dilution of our belief systems...even so, nothing lasts forever.

One thing Obama has that Kerry didn't...charisma score of 18. As long as he keeps his arms open I think that many will embrace him.

[nichomachus]

33. She is NOT a racist

She only plays one on TV