How would including Florida and Michigan delegates "unleash hell upon earth"?

[Apollo11]

Some hardcore Obama loyalists have been opening panicking over the idea that the DNC Rules Committee might come up with a way to include pledged delegates from Florida and Michigan at the Democratic National Convention in Denver.

Here is one extreme example of the kind of reaction I am talking about:
"Hillary has made it clear that she intends to pressure the Rules Committee to seat Florida and Michigan, unleashing hell upon earth."
It was posted by Sundoggy on Wednesday May 7th:
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5863437&mesg_id=5865834

My question is - why does it even matter, if Obama is already 150 delegates ahead of Hillary Clinton? :eyes:

Personally I hope that the DNC will come up with a solution that is fair to the voters who took part in those primaries and is also acceptable to both our remaining candidates (or should that be 3 if you include Mike Gravel).

So please - let's stop with all the crazy talk that allowing these delegates is somehow a "nuclear option".

If you ask me - it would be much more dangerous for the Democratic Party to be perceived as ignoring the rights of voters in Florida and Michigan - which, lets not forget are both large battleground States we would like to win in November.

As far as I know, Hillary was happy to have do-overs in both states but the Obama campaign blocked the plans.

Maybe it is now too late to talk about do-overs, but it is not too late to find a fair and balanced solution.

As Hillary says: "it would be a little strange to have a nominee chosen by 48 states".

[randr]

1. The Florida voters have already unleashed hell upon earth

They allowed the Bush thugs to invade their state and control the MSMs image of the Florida recount.
They didn't appear to care if their votes counted in 2000.
Why should we care if they are counted now?

[Apollo11]

3. This is the kind of attitude I am talking about

You claim that nobody in Florida cared if their votes counted in 2000.

Astonishing. :wow:

[remember2000forever]

4. Ever Hear Of Randi Rhodes?

Became Popular during the 2000 Presidential Election, here in Palm Beach County. We were protesting in the streets! Yes, we certainly DID Care to have our votes counted!

[purji]

2. michigan is trying to work out a deal

but I saw this in the Detroit free press.

Meanwhile, Michigan party leaders said they would move ahead with a plan to ask the Democratic National Committee to seat their disallowed delegation with 69 delegates going to Clinton and 59 to Obama even though Clinton -- who would have won 73 delegates if the results of the Jan. 15 primary had counted -- rejected it.

http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080509/NEWS15/805090421

[stillcool]

6. Hillary already rejected that idea..

Clinton Rejects Latest Michigan Delegate Plan

By Marie Horrigan, CQ Staff Thu May 8, 1:29 PM ET

Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday rejected a compromise plan to seat Michigan's delegates to the national convention that would give 69 delegates to Clinton and 59 to Barack Obama.
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The Michigan Democratic Party's Executive Committee on Wednesday had endorsed the 69/59 plan offered April 29 by a group of senior Michigan Democrats including Sen. Carl Levin, Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, UAW President Ron Gettelfinger and DNC member Debbie Dingell.

Elizabeth Kerr, a spokeswoman for the Michigan Democratic Party, said the Clinton campaign's assertion that the votes "weren't honored" was "incorrect."

"This proposal honors the result of the January 15th primary but also takes into consideration that Obama's name was not on the ballot," she said.

If the state party ends up offering the plan to the national party, the DNC would consider it at the Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting in Washington on May 31. The DNC did not have any comment on the plan.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20080508/pl_cq_politics/politics2719785_2

[davidpdx]

8. Well of course she would

If she gives up the Florida and Michigan issue, her goose is cooked. It just goes to show you it's nothing but a ploy.

[Apollo11]

7. Hillary needs to net 18 delegates from Michigan.

I can see why the Clinton campaign would not be happy with splitting the difference.

It's already something that they are willing to give all the "uncommitted"s to Obama.

But in the final analysis Hillary might not have any choice but to accept this compromise.

[DemVet]

5. While some FL and MI residents here at DU...

...have said they won't mind if their delegates are not seated (hey, that's their opinion and I respect it), I still think it's a mistake to NOT seat them. THe GE is way too important to let this happen.

[PassingFair]

9. Um, because Michigan and Florida broke party rules?

How is it fair to the 46 states that followed
procedures if there is no penalty?

How are the results of those "elections" fair
when some candidates were not on the ballot,
and many did not vote, or voted cross-over
republican because the PRIMARIES WERE NOT
VALID.....?

[stillcool]

10. New Rules = No Rules

Who needs the Democratic National Party? Let's just have State parties. Who cares about the Majority in the Senate and Congress, as long as my State gets national exposure by cutting to the head of the line in the Primary calendar.

[Apollo11]

11. Fortunately, Howard Dean seems to be taking a more balanced view.

Dean has repeatedly said that he would like to find a solution that respects the rights of voters in Florida and Michigan, and that it is unfair to punish millions of voters for the decisions made by a small number of politicians.

[Apollo11]

12. Kick

:kick: