I have a problem with the way it is going, Are we going to hear "Whites Only" soon?

[LiberalArkie]

I am a white 60 year old man. I was beat up a lot as a kid in south Arkansas because I could not understand the "Whites Only" water fountains, entrances to doctors offices, hospitals, bus stations, schools everywhere. I still don't understand it. As an early Clinton supporter, I can not understand the comments being made, but I do understand what is being said. "No real white, working man would vote for a NIG***" That is what being said, that is what we hear in the south. I am afraid for the first time in my life I may not vote in the general election. I can vote for a black man, I can vote for a woman. I can not vote for a racist.

FLAME AWAY.... just the way an old southern man hears what is being said by someone who used to live in my state.

[babylonsister]

1. That seems to be what you're hearing, and good for you for being

offended. I am, too.

[grantcart]

2. I'd like to see her take the CA primary now

[Boz]

8. She wouldnt have taken it if it was justa week later than it was.

The only reason she won CA is because mail in ballots.

You could vote as early as late november and almost 50% of california votes by mail in ballot.

If she didn't have those name recognition votes from december and early january she would have lost.

He would have over taken them a week later.

[Raine]

25. I agree. I'm in Los Angeles County

he was catching up with her, if he had another week I know he would've won.

[rurallib]

3. MY mouth dropped when I heard that

still can't believe I heard that. I'd expect that from Tancredo or Dunky Huntyer or some such.
:wtf:

[anamandujano]

10. You didn't hear it. You read it here.

[NOLALady]

19. I heard it on Mike Malloy's show.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. and I will add other places you can get the sound

apart of Malloy

the DAILY SHOW

Countdown

where i have heard it... seen it and most people were shocked.

Spin away

You can go LOOK for the sound, google is your friend

USA Today is where that sound is coming from in an INTERVIEW

[cliffordu]

23. Spin spin spin

Little sock puppet!!!!

[rurallib]

34. I heard it first on KO's show

still can't believe it. What an incredibly stupid thing to say.

[Johnny__Motown]

4. I think we are all hearing the same thing. She needs the votes from the people who beat you up

Not that it will make any difference.


That is the worst part. She is willing to use this attack even when she has no chance of it helping her argument to the SD. If anything it just makes things worse.


It looks more and more like she wants our nominee to lose the GE so she can screw everything up again in 2012.

[Kber]

5. Thank you

I'm more generation x, but I am really uncomfortable with the tone.

Another (not so) subtext...

Whites without college degrees are "hard working".

Blacks without college degrees are something else (lazy, I assume).

Blacks with college degrees, on the otherhand, are elitist or uppity.

Not cool man. Not cool at all.

[Mz Pip]

6. It bothers me too.

I came of age during the Civil RIghts movement. I feel like we are being told that we need to choose our nominee based on the bigotry of a segment of the population who may or may not even vote for the Democratic candidate in November. I didn't like it back then and I am saddened to see it resurface 45 years later.

Is this what is really happening?: "We won't for for the Black guy!" So Hillary chimes in "Okay, I hear you! I'll see what I can do!"

I don't see how Hillary can spin this one away.

[Catherina]

7. Thank you for having been one of the thoughtful ones who made things change

If it hadn't been for people like you standing in solidarity against the demeaning injustice of "Whites Only" America, we wouldn't be where we are now.

Thank you LiberalArkie. I believe most people in America have gotten past the old time racism that suddenly became acceptable to express these last few months. You will vote in the General Election. You and I together for a man we believe in, whose content of character matters more than the color of his skin.

I thank you for making this dream possible through your love for all humanity.

The Fears of White People

September 08, 2005 By Robert Jensen

It may seem self-indulgent to talk about the fears of white people in a white-supremacist society. After all, what do white people really have to be afraid of in a world structured on white privilege? It may be self-indulgent, but it's critical to understand because these fears are part of what keeps many white people from confronting ourselves and the system.

The first, and perhaps most crucial, fear is that of facing the fact that some of what we white people have is unearned. It's a truism that we don't really make it on our own; we all have plenty of help to achieve whatever we achieve. That means that some of what we have is the product of the work of others, distributed unevenly across society, over which we may have little or no control individually. No matter how hard we work or how smart we are, we all know -- when we are honest with ourselves -- that we did not get where we are by merit alone. And many white people are afraid of that fact.

A second fear is crasser: White people's fear of losing what we have -- literally the fear of losing things we own if at some point the economic, political, and social systems in which we live become more just and equitable. That fear is not completely irrational; if white privilege -- along with the other kinds of privilege many of us have living in the middle class and above in an imperialist country that dominates much of the rest of the world -- were to evaporate, the distribution of resources in the United States and in the world would change, and that would be a good thing. We would have less. That redistribution of wealth would be fairer and more just. But in a world in which people have become used to affluence and material comfort, that possibility can be scary.

A third fear involves a slightly different scenario -- a world in which non-white people might someday gain the kind of power over whites that whites have long monopolized. One hears this constantly in the conversation about immigration, the lingering fear that somehow "they" (meaning not just Mexican-Americans and Latinos more generally, but any non-white immigrants) are going to keep moving to this country and at some point become the majority demographically. Even though whites likely can maintain a disproportionate share of wealth, those numbers will eventually translate into political, economic, and cultural power. And then what? Many whites fear that the result won't be a system that is more just, but a system in which white people become the minority and could be treated as whites have long treated non-whites. This is perhaps the deepest fear that lives in the heart of whiteness. It is not really a fear of non-white people. It's a fear of the depravity that lives in our own hearts: Are non-white people capable of doing to us the barbaric things we have done to them?

A final fear has probably always haunted white people but has become more powerful since the society has formally rejected overt racism: The fear of being seen, and seen-through, by non-white people. Virtually every white person I know, including white people fighting for racial justice and including myself, carries some level of racism in our minds and hearts and bodies. In our heads, we can pretend to eliminate it, but most of us know it is there. And because we are all supposed to be appropriately anti-racist, we carry that lingering racism with a new kind of fear: What if non-white people look at us and can see it? What if they can see through us? What if they can look past our anti-racist vocabulary and sense that we still don't really know how to treat them as equals? What if they know about us what we don't dare know about ourselves? What if they can see what we can't even voice?

...

http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/5440

I thank you for sharing.

[anamandujano]

9. Fill us in with the theory behind Obama's 90% take of the black vote. TIA

[Name removed]

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[HuffleClaw]

14. how is stating a fact racist? n/t

[SeattleGirl]

15. I think she already has.

:puke:

[Forkboy]

26. When she called Obama "Bomba" after "Bomba the Jungle Boy" it was crystal clear.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5389336&mesg_id=5389452

[ellisonz]

32. Black people are smarter than white people.

Happy now?

:sarcasm:

[EffieBlack]

11. This is all so deeply disappointing to me

For years, I was one of the Clintons' staunchest supporters and also have felt enormous affection for both of them.

I am so sad that she is doing this and has decided to go out this way. I just don't understand it. Not at all.

[democracy1st]

29. Join the club took up for the Clintons plenty of times in the past

To see her get together with Richard Mellon Scaife was eye opening. Quite a few people had their reservations about the Clinton's over young black & Latino prison rates.

[EffieBlack]

31. I came close to losing friends over my vigorous defense of them during the South Carolina primaries

Sadly, it turns out that they may not have deserved the benefit of the doubt I insisted they get.

[Pisces]

13. YOU HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR. I have been disgusted for a long time, this is just a capper

[stratomagi]

16. Hillary Clinton 08: This candidacy is for Whites Only!

Can't say I understand the logic, but then again thats clearly not her strong suit with the way she's acting.

[TragedyandHope]

17. Thank you for telling it like it is

:kick:

[ProgressiveEconomist]

18. Do you know whether Bill Clinton ever had much to do with Orville Faubus? Wasn't

Faubus supposed to have been a fairly progressive guy before he was forced to take sides in the 1957 Little Rock school desegregation showdown with Eisenhower?

How would you compare Clinton with Faubus? All I know about Orville Faubus is an old recording by Thelonius Monk's band, stuck on replay in mid mind ("Fables of Faubus").

[Clintonista2]

20. Thank you hide thread!

[2rth2pwr]

21. This is such bullshit.

[madrchsod]

24. after reading stormfront for the last few day`s

i`m getting really bad feeling about hillary`s "white voters"....they won`t vote for her but she`s appealing to the hatred of the racist fucks in this country....

i traveled through the south in the 50`s when i was 9-10 years old. i saw those signs and white only lunch rooms. up here in the north we were to polite to use signs we just got the message across in more subtle ways....

[highplainsdem]

27. Deleting to repost as a reply to the OP.

[highplainsdem]

28. You completely misunderstood, and this topic explains why:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5896190


It was a horrible misunderstanding that has hurt her badly and surprised people who were certain she'd "never say anything like that."

But in fact she didn't mean that the way people took it.

She has used the words "hard working" consistently in her speeches to mean "working class." She does not use the words "working class" -- at least I couldn't find them in the speeches I checked. So she was referring to white working-class voters, in a reference to an AP story that referred to those voter demographics, and my topic provides a link to that story and a quote from it, too, in one of the replies.

What she said has been horribly misunderstood and blown all out of proportion.

Part of this is her fault because it is an odd word use. But it is one I saw again and again when I checked her old speeches. And if people had asked her what she meant, instead of being so eager to condemn her, she could have explained.

As for the complaint that she mentioned the voter demographics -- that was a national AP story about the campaign, and she had every right to refer to it. She was mentioning findings by the AP and TV networks, as the AP story explains.

Please check that topic.

[Skidmore]

30. Tortured language and excuses pretty much sums up the Clinton campaign.

Of course these always follow great gaffes and misjudgements. Some things are just unexcusable, and this is one of them.

[Undercurrent]

33. LiberalArkie, like you I am a 60 year old white person too.

I was shocked, and hurt by Hillary's comment, (“I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” Clinton said in a USA Today interview, citing an article by The Associated Press which “found how Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me... There's a pattern emerging here.").

It made me very, very sad that a person who has been the emblem of the Democratic party could sink to such a low.