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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:32 AM
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Why is the MSM (and others) so anxious to get Hillary out of the race?
Ted Kennedy went all the way to the convention battling Jimmy Carter as did Jerry Brown with Bill Clinton.

The only different thing about this race is that McCain's opponents dropped out so suddenly leaving him all alone in their contest.

The Democratic race is only proceeding to its natural conclusion as it should.

The MSM is having WAY too much influence over our race this year, first deciding our candidates (who were "allowed" to be in the debates, who was "crazy (Gravel) who wasn't "electable (Kucinich) etc.)and now they are trying to strongly influence our final selection itself.

Why should these highly paid, pampered talking heads be allowed to say when it should be "over?"
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:35 AM
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1. The vast majority of the country has said that it's over. Obama has an insurmountable lead.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:39 AM
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11. so what... it is 3 weeks...
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:45 AM
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20. And so what? Are you planning to come on here on WV primary night and start
screeching about how Hillary has the BIG MO and is TURNING IT AROUND and how it's all a NEW RACE and her fundraising is SURE to pick up, and the superdelegates should be newly worried that WV's particular demographics don't like Obama? The media's calling it over because that's the sense of the country. Most of the country has spoken, and Obama is still ahead, and has been tested and proved resilient and still on top of his game. There's no reason to keep him from being the nominee.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:55 AM
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26. How does letting the process go to the convention
keep Obama from becoming the nominee? For a group of people who are adamant about HRC following the rules, you sure are pretty loosey goosey when HRC HAS AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT to go all the way if she chooses. There is no rule that forces her to pullout except one. When the delegates officially pledge at the convention and she loses. That is called a process, and it is her goddamn constitutional right to go all the way if she chooses to.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:01 AM
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29. If it goes to the convention, Democrats lose. That won't happen. If Hillary
Edited on Thu May-08-08 11:02 AM by wienerdoggie
is hinging her hopes on Obama's plane crashing or compromising pics of him with little boys or something, she can always suspend her campaign and then step back in if the worst happens and still become the nominee. She's just beating him up now, promoting further racial/class division, and forcing him to spend money and effort, for no compelling reason other than her massive ego. He has proven to be a solid candidate, there's no big "red flag" for November in terms of "electability", and there's no reason why he shouldn't get the nomination he's EARNED by playing by the rules and working hard AND smart.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:26 AM
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36. When he gets to the magic number
he will be the nominee. until then he is the front runner only. She STILL has every right to go until that happens. Period.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:30 AM
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37. You keep using the word "right"--what about what's best for the Dem party and the country?
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 07:30 AM
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39. AS far as i am aware there has not been a nominee
selected yet. HRC meets ALL the requirements of the constitution to run for president. THAT IS good for the country and democracy. The Democratic party IS NOT the will of the voter.That belongs to the voter and is most sacred. It's funny you all say it is over yet she is still getting part of the RECORD VOTER TURNOUT. Sounds to me like those people are absolutely thrilled that they can cast a vote. But if you wish to tell them their vote is not good for "the party" or the country go ahead. I am sure they will welcome you with open arms.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:35 AM
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2. It's like anything else
people can say almost anything they want but it doesn't mean it's going to happen.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:36 AM
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3. and once it is "over"...
...they're going to target Obama. Obama supporters better be ready for this coming onslaught.

Remember what the MSM did to the Clintons in the 1990s? Can the Obama supporters survive the VRWC? Those now celebrating and crowing about how they can relax are in for a rude surprise. The press hunted the Clintons for a full decade.
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:41 AM
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13. the 'press' has not stopped hunting the clintons...
i suppose you think hillary would have it 'much better' than Obama as far as press treatment?

the RW has been licking its chops to get another shot at the clintons...bill & hillary are prime red meat for the RW...
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:48 AM
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22. Have you ever heard of a guy Obama knew named Jeremiah Wright? Apparently
he said some goofy things as a minister, and somehow that's very meaningful to us as voters. They had hour-long specials on it and everything. I can't believe you missed it.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:32 AM
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38. that was nothing
...compared to what's coming. Toughen up now. Those of us who fought the VRWC for the last decade are worn out, and we're handing off the struggle to Obamans. When a torch is passed, the fight with the VRWC is passed on, too.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:36 AM
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4. It's over. It's the math. nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:36 AM
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5. Because they got tired of lying about her chances, too? They knew since shortly after Super Tuesday
Edited on Thu May-08-08 10:37 AM by blm
that Hillary had no chance to win, because McClatchy did a survey of the supers who overwhelmingly went into Obama's column. The subsequent article was heavily edited to leave out the actual outcome of the survey, but no doubt media insiders knew, just as Clinton campaign knew.

So - were you OK with corporate media LYING about Clinton's chances the last two months or just upset that NOW they are finally telling the truth when Clinton is still unwilling to be honest with her supporters?
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:37 AM
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6. Why do you think the MSM wants Hillary out of the race?
In what ways has the MSM's reporting changed since NC and IN?
Why do you think that might be?
Who are the "others" (is that like "some people"?) you refer to?
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:37 AM
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7. yeah the MSM is all in the bag for Obama
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:41 AM
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14. Suddenly they forget the 24/7 Wright coverage-even up to the day before the primaries!
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:52 AM
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24. Have no fear...
...the Wright issue will come up again. Guaranteed.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:53 AM
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25. And? Old news. But keep hope alive!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:03 AM
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31. So? Didn't stop him now. And apparently Hillary has NO WEAKNESSES, right?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:05 AM
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33. That's what gets ME. They always say something may come up that'll hurt HIM as if SHE has nothing
Edited on Thu May-08-08 11:06 AM by jenmito
that can hurt her. Or Bill.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:09 AM
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34. Bizarre and delusional. And I will never even understand why Wright is an issue to begin with,
frankly. The Clintons have many more unsavory characters than Wright in THEIR lives, for God's sake.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:13 AM
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35. That's the thing. I REALLY hope that privately, Obama is pointing out to the SDs that
the Clintons have WAY more baggage that the Repubs. will use against them, and that he, as a fellow Dem., refuses to bring out publicly.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:38 AM
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8. and what happened when Kennedy went against Carter? oh yes, the Dems lost
I'd like a win this year.
Turn out the lights the party's over
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:38 AM
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9. no kiddin, I agree.
Edited on Thu May-08-08 10:38 AM by Texas Hill Country
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:39 AM
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10. "So anxious"??? The MSM has given her more chances than ANYONE ELSE would've gotten. She
would've been written off after Super Tuesday if her last name wasn't Clinton.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:50 AM
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23. Right--the media were the ones who kept her on life support all this time.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:01 AM
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28. Yup. And they STILL are. They're covering her and Bill while campaigning in WV,
as if it means anything. They're saying whatever she WANTS them to say-"She's a fighter. She won't give up. She's down but not out." Blah blah blah...
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:40 AM
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12. Because its over? Just like it was over for Huckabee?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:42 AM
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15. Did Jerry Brown speak at the convention?
BTW in 1980....we lost.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:42 AM
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16. Even NOW they're using headlines like, "Down but not out-what's her next move?"
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:43 AM
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17. On the contrary, the media loves this
They ARE making the "race."
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:44 AM
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18. FUNNY! The media has perpetuated the myth that she has a shot for weeks
They are just coming around to the fact that she is our own Baghdad Bob.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:45 AM
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19. Because it's over.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:46 AM
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21. Dear Peregrine Took,
The "MSM" only has as much influence as we let them have.

Sincerely,

~Writer Baggins~
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:59 AM
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27. Hillary can no longer afford tv ads and so they want to get more McInsain's ad money by...
getting Hillary out of the picture. For them it is all about the ad money.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:03 AM
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30. Uh, because she can't win?
Edited on Thu May-08-08 11:03 AM by RandomKoolzip
:shrug:

Why is it so hard for Hillary supporters to face reality about this? It's not the media's fault that she doesn't have enough delegates to secure the nomination; that's just reality. Sorry! She was a great candidate, and I liked her a lot, but she can't win.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:04 AM
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32. I wonder that myself...
they had been beating up Obama with Reverend Wright for what 5 weeks? And now all of a sudden they're on the "Hillary lost" bandwagon. Perhaps they are back-tracking because the reality they were trying to create with all Wright all the time failed to produce the results they had wanted. Nothing has changed. She still can not win the nomination without destroying Obama. So why now?
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