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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 03:16 PM
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Why are people still spreading the "no peace signs lie" at DU?
This was thoroughly debunked yesterday by multiple firsthand reports of DUers at the convention. So why are people still spreading this lie?

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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 03:17 PM
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1. no idea
I am gonna rely on the accounts of those who were there though.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 04:37 PM
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3. Well, it's a rhetorical question.
I think most of us know the reason.

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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 04:40 PM
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4. yeah to stir up
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 08:30 AM
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7. stir up?
wake up.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-04 03:23 PM
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2. The Medea Benjamin incident?
:shrug:
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 08:08 AM
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5. Anti-War Activist Dragged off DNC Floor in Handcuffs
http://www.codepinkalert.org/Press_Room_Medea.shtml

Boston As Teresa Heinz Kerry gave her prime-time address at the Democratic
National Convention on Tuesday night, Medea Benjamin of CODEPINK: Women for
Peace attempted to bring an anti-war message onto the convention floor. She
unfurled a pink banner that read “End the Occupation of Iraq” a sentiment
that is shared by the majority of Americans and vast majority of Democrats
and was promptly dragged out of the Fleet Center by the police.

MORE...
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 08:30 AM
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6. Taint no lie Im afraid why dont you acknowledge the truth?
http://www.fresnobee.com/special/2004/elections/dnc/story/8910480p-9802697c.html

how many examples of this behavior will you refuse to accept?
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 09:20 AM
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10. some of the article, forgot it required registration!
Lavery tried to enter the FleetCenter Tuesday with four of those signs - each not much bigger than six inches by eight inches - only to have them taken away by security at the entrance checkpoint. The bag checkers and wand wavers, however, missed one last sign that was in Lavery's pocket. Inside the arena, he wrote on the other side that the Democratic National Committee "would not allow this sign."

He then walked around the arena, showing both sides of the sign. Some people booed him. Others hissed. A few gave a surreptitious thumbs up.

On the bus back to the hotels after the Tuesday session, some delegates chided Lavery for not being a team player. "You're like a robot," Lavery said. "They hand you a sign and tell you when to raise it."

Lavery was a delegate at the infamous 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago. He hasn't been one since. He doesn't like the changes, he said. "It's a first amendment issue, from my perspective." Kerr is equally angry. And she's plotting.

She had plans Wednesday to try and smuggle a blank placard and a magic marker into the FleetCenter, then scrawling her own message: "My voice matters. My vote counts."
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 09:49 AM
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12. DN report about Michigan Kucinich delegates
While Gore spoke out against voting for 3rd party candidates, some delegates on the floor of the convention complained that the speeches coming from the podium did not reflect a clear enough distinction between the policies of President Bush and the platform of John Kerry, particularly on the issue of the occupation of Iraq and civil liberties. The events last night were highly scripted and everyone in attendance was expected to remain on message. And as Gore and other high profile Democrats spoke, some delegates charge that their rights to free expression were being denied last night. Delegates for former presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich alleged that they had some of their signs and placards confiscated, as well as scarves they wore that identified them as peace delegates. On the floor of the convention, as the speeches wrapped up last night we caught up with 2 Kucinich delegates from Minneapolis: Donna Cassutt and Charles Underwood.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/27/144247
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 08:34 AM
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8. Because it's possibly true?
Because it happenned to personal friends of mine?

Because I'd trust them far more than some anonymous poster (or spokesBot from a campaign) who thinks dissent on the floor of our party's convention is somehow "disloyal"?

Why do anonymous posters who believe stifling dissent is good hate America so much???
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 09:05 AM
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9. In fact, here's the link to the Medea Benjamin arrest video
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 09:29 AM
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11. It was not "debunked"
All the reports from people who "were there" were as of Tuesday and Wednesday, but the incident I reported happened on MONDAY.

Could it be possible that such things did happen on Monday, but when the higher-ups in the Kerry campaign heard about them, they put a stop to it?

If that's the case, I applaud the Kerry campaign and DNC for putting a stop to such things. In fact, by admitting that mistakes were made, they would certainly grow in esteem, to me and many other Democrats.

Unfortunately certain blindly obedient supports seem to think that ANY kind of dissent at the coronoation equals treason, and is unworthy of discussion or credibility. This is not better than the behaviour of extremists on BOTH sides who think that only ONE opinion is correct.

Not a good sign for a party that champions civil rights and free speech.
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