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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:09 PM
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Hillary Campaign complains about Media pronouncement of "It's over"!
Edited on Wed May-07-08 09:16 PM by FrenchieCat
Hillary surrogates were all over the TeeVee today, indignant that the Media has written off the Hillary campaign as being "over".

The various talking heads had to explain why they had finally announced that the mathematical improbabilities of Hillary's quest toward the nomination feasibly can be called "it's over".
And so, with Charts and diagrams, the Hillary campaign were given the picture as to what is being meant exactly.

Now where were the Hillary campaign folks when the same media was busy pastorbating for the last 2 weeks, stating that Obama was over because of Rev. Wright? Weren't there sitting right there with the media? Speculating on how this was "serious" and could "hurt" his chance. Where was Lannie Davis? Was he objecting to the opponents' campaign being trashed all due to guilt via association, or was he feeding the beast?

Of course, now the Hillary campaign consistently "suggests" that she is staying in "just in case". Like WTF is that supposed to mean, "just in case something happens to Obama?"

I am tired of this suggestive bullshit that the Campaign is using to further stir doubt in voters' mind about Barack Obama. I find it downright mean spirited. Awaiting for a disaster to strike in order for her to get the Nom. That's like inviting anyone to lie and try to disseminate some kind of made up bullshit, and hope that it is debunked too late.

That's why I want her out of this race. Even now, she doesn't deserve "kindness"

I've also note that the corporate media (yes I watch cable news today) as well as the Hillary campaign keep insisting that Rev. Wright will come back in the GE. Why are they saying that, since they are the ones with the control? Why would it come back, considering that it has been where no one could have missed it if they tried for weeks on end? And doesn't McCain have his own pastor issues?

At least, to his credit, Obama said that Rev. Wright was fair game in politics.

So why isn't the math fair game? :shrug:


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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:11 PM
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1. because the math isn't being sensitive to Hillary's needs
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:13 PM
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4. There is such a double standard being applied here
until I'm sickened.

Hillary's tone is supposed to have changed, but I don't see it. Now, they are waiting for something horrible to "strike" Obama, and that's why she's staying in. And the Media is buying that line as "plausible". Why? What is so special about Hillary that she can get away with all of this shit?
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:18 PM
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11. Math is so hard
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:21 PM
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14. I know, I know !!!!
Doesn't that equal PONIES????
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:12 PM
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2. It is over for her, just wants to do more ugly tricks on Obama, ogh !
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:13 PM
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3. Reminds me of Hucky...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:15 PM
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6. But did hucky try to capitalize on unforetold impending doom?
I have a problem with that.

Anytime someone's success hinges on the misery of another, I find that problematic.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:23 PM
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16. Good point... Hucky complained and moaned about the pundits...
...calling it for McCain... but at least he didn't go full negative on McCain attacking him with policies and talking points of the other party.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:32 PM
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23. that's just purely terrifying.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:14 PM
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5. They should bang pots and pans outside Time Mag Corp.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:30 PM
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21. I was going to post that and say "Wait until she sees the Time magazine cover n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:34 PM
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25. :)
:toast: to Catherina! :patriot: :bounce: :kick: :party:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:14 PM
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28. To you for beating me to it
:toast:

What do you think about this business of paying off her campaign debt? I'm seeing red over it at the moment but some Obama supporters made a few good points. I'm disgusted by the idea and need some help here. Should we even entertain the idea? I hate these primaries!

:patriot:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:17 PM
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30. I say no...but then I'm in the
hilary is the vilest thing on earth camp and I don't like extortion. Next, she'll insist on being his VP. Cut her off now.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:54 PM
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32. My first reaction was hell no
but if this helps heal things is there any harm? Someone made the point that it will cost more to fight her for x more months than to retire her debt. That's the point that struck the hardest. Then there's also the fact that she has a lot of decent people supporting her who don't deserve to be drained drier than they are. I still hate her but something happened tonight, well a few things happened since last night but especially one thing, and I don't hate most of her supporters anymore. I thought it would take me a long time to forgive but some Clinton supporters made it easier to remember they're not the enemy.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:04 PM
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33. That's very nice of you..but
Edited on Wed May-07-08 11:07 PM by zidzi
she's my senator and she's betrayed us and the country and I will not stop fighting to keep her from doing more harm. She's sneaky and just waiting to pounce with her venomous, scorpionic sting.

I'm not giving her any of my money to go away..she can dip into her own bank account.

Edit~

"Hillary Rodham Clinton vowed Wednesday to continue her quest for the Democratic nomination, arguing she would be the stronger nominee because she appeals to a wider coalition of voters — including whites who have not supported Barack Obama in recent contests.
"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5878299

She's too creepy for words.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:37 PM
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34. I'm not thinking of her. The bad feelings I have towards her are here to stay
I'm thinking of Obama and our nation. If she had any ethics, she'd pay if off herself but we already know where she stands. Does America deserve this continued charade and does Obama deserve to have to face McCain with one hand tied behind his back by constantly being distracted by the Clinton machine and not being able to raise money for the General? I can't even give another dime to Obama until she's out of the race :(
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:15 PM
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7. Next: Hillary with a tooth missing, a jug of moonshine in her hand.
She looks like Snuffy Smith.

"Meet me in West Virginie, Obama!!" she screams.

Fade to Bill and Paul Begala in dueling banjos, with Begala reprising the role of the boy.

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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:30 PM
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20. Nah, Carville has to be banjo boy
Hell, he already looks the part......

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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:34 PM
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24. ROFL!!!!! Love it!
:applause: :rofl: :rofl: :popcorn: :rofl: :spray:


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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:50 PM
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31. I'm sorry
I know I shouldn't laugh at that.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I just can't stop laughing.

:banghead:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:44 PM
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35. I miss Snuffy Smth! He was one of
my mainstay's when I was growing up in Denver:)
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:15 PM
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8. Math was there for her once.
But math turned it's back on her and it's not fair to bring up past relationships that end badly.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:17 PM
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9. I wouldn't put too much stock in what the media says.. They can turn
on your Candidate in a hearbeat... Ask John Kerry...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:19 PM
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12. I don't put any stock in it.....I already saw a pastor morphed with a candidate
But I do see that the Hillary campaign appears to be two faced on this. Don't talk about the reality of the obvious math, but go ahead and exploit a pastor, they encourage.

I'm just trying to find a bit of integrity in the Hillary campaign approach to things, and I can't find it.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:22 PM
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15. When I hear the pundits throwing around the term October Surprise,
I get chills... what do they have up their sleeves I wonder... It was the media that buried Kerry, and the media, if they choose will try to bury Obama... Best to have a good offense and to deny, deny everything they throw at us asap....
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:18 PM
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10. It's over. She knows it. We all know it.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:20 PM
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13. Haven't you heard? Hillary math is the new electoral reality.
That means it's the will of the voters.** Unless of course she doesn't have the popular vote and has to come up with enough delegates to win that way....Then the voters don't matter...and if she doesn't have either delegates or the popular vote, then she'll strong arm the Superdelegates..which is what she's trying now...


And if they sell this load of bullshit to the public well enough there won't be blood in the streets because it'll just be sold to them as another "She's a great gal fighting the good fight for the little people"

Which is all bullshit, because she AND bill sold NAFTA to jimmy lunchbucket as a good thing. Before the whiskey drinking and pub crawl she could give a shit about people like me.

And she'll pander to ANYONE to get her way.

She's TOAST. A panderbear in a pantsuit.


** I know it's about delegates, I'm just running one permutation of the circular logic.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:23 PM
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18. The new goal post ?
I think the old goal post number 3 is about worn out.

:evilgrin:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:31 PM
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22. Wait !! I have a set right here!!
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:23 PM
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17. See here some of us (including me) are calling for some unity or at least
Edited on Wed May-07-08 09:26 PM by 4themind
a reduction in acrimony between the two sides and the recognition that one way or another, it's in best interests for the majority of us to agree to help each other when the time soon comes, then we see this stuff on the airwaves. Now they're reduced to "what-if's". Surely there comes a time when a candidates self-interest, doesn't necessarily mesh up with your own judging of the likely hood of success at achieving this interest, vs. the potential harm it can cause to you getting YOUR interests. I urge everyone to make their own evaluation on this.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:29 PM
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19. complain complain!
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aaaaaa5a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:38 PM
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26. Hillary should be thanking the Media...
This race has actually been over for months. The fear of a Saturday Night live skit has kept the MSM from reporting accurately. The MSM has been leaning over backwards to keep her in this contest ever since.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:40 PM
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27. Does it seem like Hillary's surrogates outnumber Obama surrogates in
amount of time on T.V. and total number? Maybe it's just me using an imprecise metrics, but if could help explain their sucess and their re-attempt to play the expectations game
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:17 PM
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The play the media game well, but suck at the actual organizing
That's why they lost so many states.

.....................among many other reasons, of course.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:17 PM
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29. The play the media game well, but suck at the actual organizing
That's why they lost so many states.

.....................among many other reasons, of course.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:45 PM
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36. More whining and feign indignation from The Goddess of ME Obliteration and Co. eom
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:46 PM
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37. Obama Campaign complains "What took you so long, numbnuts?"
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Bad Thoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:53 PM
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38. "Just in Case" LOL
Clinton doesn't need to stay in just in case a catastrophe happens. She can suspend, and wait for the sky to fall. If something happens to Obama, we'll know it, the party will know it, the electorate will know it. And they will go screaming for someone else. Had Clinton bowed out earlier, however, she would more clearly have been that person the party would run to. Unfortunately, she's burned many bridges and turned far to the right. The uniting figure who might 'save' the Democrats from Obama is ____ (I won't say here). Moreover, if she had dropped out before the Rev. Wright scandal, it would have been less damaging. Indeed, she and her surrogates drove the story to the hilt, exploiting it for all it was worth. It would have been, comparatively, an inconvenience for Obama.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:54 PM
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39. Even NPR sucks on this issue
Today they had an HRC campaign person on (I don't recall his name) and asked specifically whether the math now allowed any paths the the WH for Hillary. Of course the answer had no math in it, focussing rather on electability and manipulating the perceptions of the SD's. No follow up question.

And the same lame evasion, in a variety of ways, every other time the "delegate math" has been brought up. Its no wonder 50% of people recently thought Hillary and Obama were more or less running even...our media sucks.

I don't think she needs to get out now, but it is hard to leave stupid statements and obnoxious reasoning unanswered.
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