Tell me why you think Obama can beat McCain~because I don't think he can.

[jillan]

I don't think he has what it takes, and I am NOT sold on him at all.


I know that this will probably be hard for some of you to believe, but I have never been
impressed with Obama. I tried. He was my first choice. At the beginning of the campaign season I kept my daughter home from school one day because Obama was in town. I left that event feeling very disappointed. When my candidate, Joe Biden, left the race after Iowa, I started to support Obama.
I was thrilled that Obama beat Hillary in Iowa. By the time New Jersey rolled around, he lost me again.

I don't see what many of you see in Obama....I've tried.


So tell me, what makes you so sure that Obama can beat McCain.

I see 2004 all over again.

[stray cat]

1. He can only win if democrats vote for him

[LisaL]

2. Well, if he wants to win, he better pick some states other than OH

and FL, because I fail to see how he is going to win these states.
Unless he can win some states that went red for Gore and Kerry, he is not likely to win GE.

[tekisui]

158. CO, VA, NC all in play.

He could win FL as well, not so sure about OH.

[AllentownJake]

3. This is over

and all you are doing is attacking the democratic nominee and helping John McCain right now.

We can't sell you on Obama. You have to look at the option and decide who you would rather have as President.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Because McCain is another Bush.

And Bush is just about the most unpopular president in the history of the country.

And Obama's run one of the best campaigns I've ever seen and he's just getting warmed up. He's got record breaking fundraising. He's charismatic.

And McCain's about as charismatic as a kick in the nuts.

[bighart]

76. I think your response is dangerous.

It reminds me of the Kerry will win because he is not bush statements I heard before the last election.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

81. 2008 is different then 2004.

2006 gave us the single biggest congressional pwnage in U.S. history, and the voters are only angrier now.

[bighart]

88. I wish I had your confidence.

I believe a lot of people will cross party lines for a senate gig to prove a point to those in power: do what you were sent to do or you're out of there. I am not so sure when it comes to the presidency. I think there will be a lot of republicans that won't cross that line for a presidential race.

[kwenu]

154. I think you're wrong.

I know too many Repubs. who are terrified that they will be the next person in the neighborhood to get a visit from the military chaplain. Iraq is unacceptable to them.

[Exilednight]

96. Kerry was the wrong candidate at the wrong time. His image had many problems......

that he never overcame.

[Carrieyazel]

146. A lot of voters don't see it that way. That's the problem.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

163. McKickinthenuts?

:think:

[anigbrowl]

5. He's smarter, wiser, and more in tune with the concerns most Americans have about the future. nt

[Selatius]

6. McCain has shit for an economic policy, and his position on the war is completely unpopular.

You'd have to be totally incompetent not to win against McCain.

Obama is a lot of things, but if you ran an attack ad against Obama, he actually responds.

John Kerry did not respond, especially to the Swift Shitter ads. People would rather the person defend himself rather than not respond at all.

[jillan]

14. That's exactly what I said in 2004.

[Selatius]

17. I edited what I said. Reread if you wish. Kerry did not defend himself when he needed to.

He did it far too late, and he had Ohio stolen from him.

[NewJeffCT]

33. Kerry defended himself

It just wasn't broadcast in the media at all.

[Selatius]

53. Even so, Ohio was stolen from him. n/t

[Cant trust em]

42. People were still on the fence about the war in 2004.

George Bush wasn't the most popular guy in town, but he hadn't hit rock bottom yet. It's been four long years and that's probably been enough for most people. I'm thinking of the old "fool me once..." adage.

[sandnsea]

7. Too bad, he's the nominee

So why don't you support him the way you supported Kerry. Unless you've decided to crap all over JK too, the way Hillary did.

[LisaL]

31. Yes, it is too bad.

[jillan]

49. That's just it. I was excited about Kerry as our nominee.

Obama does nothing for me.
Just because he will be our nominee, doesn't mean that I think he is the right one.

[Lautremont]

55. If you were excited about Kerry but you aren't about Obama,

I'm not sure what to tell you.

[sandnsea]

71. And a lot of people felt that way about JK

And once they put aside the campaign propaganda and gave him a fair chance, they came to be his biggest supporters. Why don't you stop listening to the out and out lies that Hillary has been spewing, and give the truth a chance for a change.

[featherman]

8. You tell ME how John McCain can possibly retain the White House for

the Republican Party? Frankly it's laughable. He's a terrible candidate and a worse campaigner trying to run for the 3rd term of the most unpopular President in modern history.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

50. Who believed Bush would win a 2nd term after

it was common knowledge that he had our country invade a sovereign nation based on a lie??

[mrcheerful]

114. I knew shrub was going to win in 2004 even before Kerry got swift

lied on. For the simple fact that most of america was scared shitless of 2 things, terrorists and gays. There were terrorists behind every bush on every main street in every city and town and gays were going to force hetero men into marriage because once gay marriage became legal there would be nothing to stop hetero men from dropping their wives in order to run off with a gay man. Yeah don't make sense any better then the wing nuts saying gays getting married would destroy marriage in america, but thats circler thinking for ya, nonsense.

[featherman]

121. Bush was the incumbent, 90% of all media was in the tank for him, and

he still had a medium high favorability rating, most of the country still (9/11) supported the invasion and occupation.

Despite all this and swift boating and Kerry's mistakes and screwy campaign, Kerry came within 300,000 votes in Ohio of unseating him.

Conclusion: This is a obviously Democratic Majority country and a good Democratic candidate should win every time. The only time they don't is when that deck is stacked against them or they get cheated out of it.

[ingac70]

9. People have had their fill of Republicans.

McCain IS a continuation of the Bush Administration.

[SoonerPride]

10. Because McCain is a terrible, weak, inept candidate

He has no core values and is confused and mumbly

Obama will mop the floor with him.

Obama beat the best brand name in politics rather handily, so beating McCain will seem like child's play.

[4_Legs_Good]

41. Agreed, when those two appear together you're going to see the future and the past

The distant past.

I don't mean to rag on him overmuch because of his age, but he will seem tired, and boring, but more importantly, his ideas and manner will be old news, old and uninspiring.

David

[GodlessBiker]

11. Who can be "sure" about anything in politics? You do your best and try.

[FrenchieCat]

12. You haven't specifically stated "WHY" you don't think Obama can beat McCain.

Your reasons of you "not being impressed" don't quite get it.

It is obvious that more people are impressed that Obama can beat McCain than they are with Hillary. So why don't you explain why that is?

[LisaL]

24. Isn't it obvious? He is not doing well in states democrats need

to win in GE.
How do you propose he wins GE without OH and FL?

[democracy1st]

30. So the Democratic party has always won these votes ?

[LisaL]

No. And thus there have been plenty more republicans than

democrats as presidents.
How does someone win GE without FL and OH?

[cali]

51. OK. NM, CO and VA

and I think he can win Ohio.

[4_Legs_Good]

58. I never bought that argument. The blue states will be blue if a box turtle is running

Do you really think NY, CA and IL will possibly turn? Sure ocassionally a poll will show something weird, but I don't buy the argument that he can't carry them because Clinton won there. In fact, to me it shows the opposite. He will put into play states that Clinton could never have put into play, and at the very least force McCain to step back and waste his meager resources there:

States like Texas, Mississippi, Colorado, New Mexico, Georgia, Iowa, Missouri, New Hampshire, the Carolinas, Virginia.

Yes, Florida and Ohio need some work, but I think they'll come around...

David

[rocktivity]

63. Well, he's running against another Democrat!

That doesn't mean he won't be successful against another Republican! I mean, why SHOULD John McCain win?

:headbang:
rocknation

[jillan]

25. No I didn't say why on purpose.

I don't want this thread to be about ME.... I want it to be about Obama.

[mythyc]

32. of course not

Now that they know she can't win, hardcore HRC acolytes such as the OP has always been are shifting course to condescend and tear down the guy who beat their candidate, whom they claim, alternatively, can beat McCain in the General, despite her belly-flopping in the primary. The circular logic makes you dizzy, and you gotta love their contributions to the party too boot. Just a little while longer for DU finally pulls the plugs on the Clintonista goon squad, thank god....

:eyes:

[jillan]

72. I could make a looong list about the reasons why I don't think he can win, but I chose not to

because I want this thread to be about Obama's strengths rather than my concerns.

And for that - you can me a goon?
Nice

[mythyc]

86. I'll "can you a goon"

STFU and follow Billy's mandate:

in the primary you vote with your heart in the General you vote with your heart?

you only want to stir up shit. that's all your good for from this point on.

I can write up a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonger list of why your higness can't win too. whatever. not to long before you're lovely this:

[patrice]

80. Yeah, wouldn't you just love to know how much such types actually DO for the party?

besides post here . . . probably zilch.

[Egnever]

13. thanks for your concern

[bleuvixen]

This helps how?

[Egnever]

64. The same way hillary staying in does

[crim son]

15. Because disgusted republicans will vote for him while there's NO WAY

they'll vote for a Clinton.

[Guava Jelly]

74. Thank you!

Hey do I know you?

[crim son]

157. A little bit!

I haven't had a lot of time to play, lately. Hi, GoPsUx! :hi: :hug: :loveya:

[4_Legs_Good]

16. For one, we didn't choose him because he can beat McCain

We chose Kerry SPECIFICALLY because we thought he could beat Bush. I would 100x over rather have lost with Dean or Kucinich than with Kerry.

"Electability" is never a good choice.

As to why I love Obama - He lets me see the stars, and that is what I truly believe America needs right now.

Edit: Add -

I saw him in Califonria at the beginning of the campaign with about 3,000 other people, and I left feeling inspired and thought that I was looking at a future President, but not in 2009. I thought he was a good speaker, but not yet a great speaker.

When I heard his speech after New Hampshire, I fell head over heels for him, and he went from being my #1 choice to being my #1 dream.

David

[bleuvixen]

18. Thats why we need to come together and start building bonds.

I am not Obamas biggest fan either, but once he is the nominee I will bloody hell work for him and do everything I can. We need the WH this time and with all Dems together and united we will take it with ease. But can we get united?! that is the question... will we unite or will we sit here barbing each other? :(

[jillan]

37. I will vote for him in the GE - I'm just worried about his ability to win.

I guess I have never gotten over 2004.

[patrice]

92. I am now and will always be an Edwards supporter. No one has to stop caring for Hillary.

In fact, where I come frum, the whole is greather than the sume of its parts and, for that to be true, the parts have to retain their differentiation in order to contribute to the greatness of the whole. If all of us were the same, the whole would be less.

[searchingforlight]

19. I absolutely believe he can.

I believe that his populist message will sound even more appealing when it is contrasted with John McCain's old song. I believe that his ability to raise money is one of the strongest indicators that his support is deep and wide. He displays all the attributes I want in a president: intelligence, diplomacy, thoughtful consideration - on and on.

[babylonsister]

20. Because the majority of Americans cannot stand the thought of 4 more

years of Bush-like policies, illegal occupations? And that includes thinking rethugs.
There's one stark contrast right there.

McCain is 'tired'. Once the m$m start to actually cover his mess-ups and his weathervaning, he's going to be hardpressed to explain himself.

Old vs. new...

"Yes, we can" vs. "No, we can't"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5873132&mesg_id=5873132

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

21. Drumbeat 24/7, failed Republican policies, failed Republican

policies, failed Republican policies. Get it?

[cottonseed]

22. It's a Democratic year. Huge organization. New voters.

If he can attract the help of the Hillary supporters and unite the Democratic party I think this election should be in hand.

[scheming daemons]

23. Bottom line: the American people are ready to buy what he's selling...

Clinton supporters, like yourself, have continually misread the electorate this year.


When America sees a young, passionate man with vitality standing on the same debate stage as a tired old man (both chronologically and ideologically), it will hit them .... This is the guy.


It will be the JFK/Nixon televised debate all over again. It will be Clinton vs. Dole in '96 all over again.


Subconsciously, America likes youth and vitality.


Couple that with the fact that, on 8 of the top 10 election issues this year, the American people favor the Democrats.



You continually keep thinking this election is just like the ones in the past. Like the snake James Carville said... there is NOTHING typical about this election. This is different. 1.5 million donors is three times as many as ANY Presidential candidate has ever had. People, in large numbers, are not only emotionally invested in Obama - but financially invested.


Obama will win in November... and it will be surprisingly easy. Something like 53-47 in the popular vote and 320-218 -ish in the electoral vote.


America is ready. You people are misreading the electorate.

[billyoc]

26. McCain can barely get 3/4 of the Republican vote in the primary when he's the presumptive nominee!

:rofl:

[LisaL]

29. You have more people on democratic side saying they won't

vote for the "other guy" if their candidate won't get the nomination.

[bleuvixen]

35. we also

have an influx of liars and a lot of hurt people, start the healing or we are all in trouble.

[patrice]

106. Thank You.

You make us humble.

:hug:

[billyoc]

40. No, you don't.

You have a few dozen bloggers, not 25% of a political party.

[GodlessBiker]

48. Does that include you?

[Guaranteed]

27. Because he speaks better, looks better, has better ideas and ISN'T BUSH. nt

[dcindian]

28. because he has shown his mettle against a vile and mean spirited opponent.

McCain has nothing on the dem in republican clothing who is getting stomped now. What makes you so sure he can beat a true dem?

[democracy1st]

34. If you don't think he can win,you can vote for McCain its no big deal go right ahead

[bleuvixen]

39. No big deal

if McCain is the president? so you are not voting or do you think its a big enough deal to get a Dem in the WH?

[jillan]

43. I have never voted for McCain (in Az) and I'm not going to start now.

[brentspeak]

107. You didn't answer the OP's question

[Faygo Kid]

36. GD: Primaries will soon become GD: Election, and all this will go poof.

Along with disingenuous posts like this one.

You've been around here long enough to see months and months of answers to your post.

And it's not "hard to take" at all. We've seen it time and again.

If you can't see what we see in him, and have tried, then you won't. But make no mistake now: He's going to be the nominee.

That you can surely see.

[cali]

38. Sure. Obama has run a terrific campaign against a formidable

opponent. He's out strategized her at every turn. He's built the most impressive money machine in political history and it's a grassroots machine. He's brought millions of new voters in to the system. He's got teflon and charisma. He's got a great team that will retool and reconfigure for the general. The economy sucks and is getting worse. Dems enjoy greater voter confidence on the economy than rethugs. Iraq is deteriorating. McCain is at a financial disadvantage. McCain is actually pretty hapless. I could go on, but all you'll do is say that my points are unconvincing, so why bother?

[jillan]

97. Actually Cali -

You made some good points.

[KT2000]

44. He can talk about the future

McCain cannot talk about the future with confidence because he does not really understand it. I will bet that he does not even know how to use a computer. I doubt he undertands the power of the internet. I doubt he is familiar with any current books on the role of the US in the future. I bet he does not understand the importance of emerging markets in China and India. I doubt he realizes that we are failing to educate future generations to compete. I don't think McCain realizes the mood of the people who have been left behind and trampled the last 8 years.

McCain may have policies for the present but his vision for the future is nonexistent.

[DMorgan]

45. These are good questions........I salute this thread....as an Obama guy

We need to figure this out by July.....

And Hillary folks, PLEASE this would be the SAME issue with HER as with HIM.

Work with us.......

[jillan]

60. Thank you for understanding :-)

I want to be excited about Obama, I really do.

[DMorgan]

75. Well if you WERE a Clinton supporter, and now work as a

volunteer for Obama, you will be quickly impressed by 3 things.

1) Diversity.......men women black white brown rid blue green and lavender!

2) We seem to have a plan, our volunteer staff supers have figured out what we need to do and talk to us about it every week, in the meantime, volunteers who captain us, tell us our daily assignment, based upon what we are best able to do.

3) We get feedback, encouragement, snacks, soda pop, whatever.......and we spend very little time alone....most of us work in twos when on outside canvasses, most of the time.......there's just SO MANY volunteers, it works out best that way.


You will also note that we don't disrespect other candidates, don't disrespect their supporters, don't disrespect any human being on Earth, pretty simple way to get on the road to peace.

I hope Hillary's campaign adopts our strategies, but, last I heard, they were back in the old boiler room politics style, where volunteers were just left on their own to do their own thing, and the staff hoped for the best.

[Muttocracy]

100. that sound great! makes me want to get involved hands-on - wish I lived in a swing state. nt

[DMorgan]

115. If you have a cell phone with free minutes after 7 PM

You can volunteer from anywhere in the continental 48 states.

I called IN, and NC from my home in New England.....free on my phone plan.

I was supervised, instructed as to what to say, and how to treat people all over the USA with respect, no matter who they vote for.

Most of my calls were to Obama folks on Tues asking them to get out and vote, and linking them to help in their town if they needed a ride, etc.

I was on the phone for 4 hours, 50 calls.

Next week, W VA I will probably be calling another 50 Obama fans, or registered Dems.



You can work ANYWHERE ANYTIME if you have a computer, internet access, and a phone to make free calls.

Otherwise, there's other stuff to do close to your home, no matter where you are.

[Muttocracy]

119. yeah, need to get my butt in gear! nt

[DanTex]

46. The same reason that he was able to beat Clinton

Because he's a great candidate and a great campaigner.

A year ago you might have asked "what makes anyone think Obama can beat Clinton"? And you would've had a point.

By now he's proven himself.

[MarjorieG]

47. Elections are ALWAYS hard. And Hillary is hardly mor electable.

Just because she's white, and has a brand name, she's got MANY negatives.

Obama and McCain contrast is something we can work and win with.

[jillan]

54. The only thing I see is the age factor.

Young and fresh vs Old and the same.

[bunnies]

52. Im not going to waste my time spelling out the many reasons Obama will cream McAsshat

You're anti-Obama... and always have been. Sorry Biden dropped out, but its been several months. Time to move on.

[osaMABUSh]

Obama has already pre-empted the Fall repuke swiftboating

How many times of you heard Obama talk about the how the rethugs will trot out their bags of tricks, lies and deceptions? He is stealing a line from Rove's playbook - repeat something enough and people tend to believe it (it actually is the truth this time, however). And the media (CNN, MSNBC) also keep mentioning that the slime machine is coming. So come the Fall when the 527s, etc. try to swiftboat Obama everyone will see right through the crap and dismiss it as republican Rovian tactics and not believe a word of it.

[Muttocracy]

102. that's a good point - the slime machine won't be a surprise this time around

Americans will actually be looking for it more than in the past (some will be unreachable, but those are McCain voters anyway)

[NewJeffCT]

56. I think McCain is the favorite against any Democrat

I haven't supported any candidate in the primaries, but I think McCain is the heavy favorite against any Democrat.

The media coverage of McCain has been positively glowing when compared to the merely good coverage Bush got in 2000. The public sees Bush as far right, while McCain is viewed as a moderate centrist despite sharing many of the same policies as Bush.

If the Democrat hits back against McCain and his surrogate's attacks, it will likely get little to no coverage until well after the story has sunk into the public consciousness... As documented on DU, Kerry pre-emptively hit back against the Swift Boaters months before they ran their ad, and then hit back against them when the ad came out. However, Kerry got el zippo for coverage on his responses, and the NY Times' almost immediate debunking of the ad also got no coverage.

And, any gaffes or mistakes McCain makes will likely get little to no play at all - look at his repeatedly mistaking Sunnis & Shi'ites, and also repeatedly erring on al-Sadr,etc.

[HuffleClaw]

67. exactly. its the media that has been in firm control of this race from the beginning

and it is NOT in favour of a democrat win.

[patrice]

118. We are not powerless against the Corporate Media. nt

[Cant trust em]

57. If there's anything we've seen out of Obama in the last two months

it's that he just needs time for people to get to know him and he winds up picking up support in places that he didn't have it before. The last primary is June 3 and at that point he'll start working on these swing states. He's got 6 months to woo these people.

[patrice]

59. Business, not to mention the People, wants Health Care Reform, Obama has

the "cart behind the horse" by concentrating on cost efficiencies.

People are happy that Our "go it alone" defense policies are over now, because Obama understands the necessities of dialog in functional relationships and because The World is going to LOVE our NEW President.

The People know what

SHIT

the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq is; Obama will end it.

People are ready willing and able to engage in alternative energy entrepreneurship.

People are ready willing and EAGER to address Climate change.

Seniors will be attracted to Obama's tax breaks for those of them earning < $50,000.

Families will be attracted to his tax-credits for post-secondary education.

[L0oniX]

61. Hell ...even Skinner could beat McInsain.

:evilgrin:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

65. Romeo 2008!

[Bucky]

62. McCain is convincing me Obama can beat him.

Like you, I am not charmed and I am not thrilled by Obama's rhetoric. His above the fray act is straight out of George Washington's playbook--a detached, rational leader looking out for the common good and working hard to unify the country looks nice on paper, but isn't very realistic in today's rock'em sock'em political environment. He's kind of going for an Eisenhower approach to campaigning. It's shmaltz, but it's a shmaltz that sells. Obama is doing what Bill Clinton did in 1992, start off as a centrist until he realizes he's in the arena of bloodsport.

If Obama lack's the Big Dog's smoothness, he also lacks Mr. Clinton's self-destructive edge. I find him a little boring. That may not be a bad thing.

In the end, I've learned to respect the organization he put together, I've decided to trust democracy. While I'm not turned on by Obama, I see millions are, and I get no con-artist vibe from him the way I did when Bush Jr or Ronald Reagan spoke at the respective heights of their popularity. For that matter, I never saw the charm in John Edwards, either, when he was catching fire in Iowa 5 years ago.

So I put faith in the power of a pursuaded multitude. He's not a bad politician; he's not a bad man, but he's running against a Republican party that simply run out of tricks. He's in fact a pretty smart guy and a hell of an organizer. He's shown better judgment on the Iraq invasion than even my preferred candidate did. We wanted the same guy to be president--Joe Biden had both the chops and the passion to do the job. He probably would have won an epic victory had he broken out of the pack. But he didn't. Obama, then, was the next best thing. I can see him as president. I'll never swallow the hype, but in a fair assessment, he stacks up pretty good.

[Muttocracy]

105. nice post. nt

[mohc]

66. My take

There are basically 4 classes of voters in elections of a two party system.

1. Voters that continue supporting the incumbent party
2. Voters that continue supporting the opposition party
3. Crossover voters
4. New voters

1 and 2 are a matter of getting out our base and keeping their base down. McCain has a lot of issues with his base, and with Clinton not on the ticket, they are not going to have as strong a rallying cry with Obama. Meanwhile our base is much more active this cycle, and while it is two separate camps I believe it will be able to unite to avoid what is effectively a third Bush term. I think many have assumed 3 will be the issue with McCain, as he appeals to independents. But Obama has appealed to more independents during the primaries so far, and in head to head polling that breaks down independent support Obama is usually ahead of McCain among independents. But obviously just holding his own in 1-3 will not be enough to beat McCain, as Bush won 2004 and we will need to build upon the votes Kerry got. Which is where 4 comes in, Obama's true strength. Large numbers of new voters, young voters, have joined in support of Obama. McCain has very little appeal to new voters, and to overcome Obama's strength here he will have to go after one of the other classes. Going after swing voters puts his base in jeopardy, just as going after the base puts those swing voters in jeopardy. The only strategy that will work for McCain is trying to weaken our base, likely by going very negative. But there is a glaring weakness with this strategy: Bush. Or more specifically the current economic conditions, the unpopular war, and the generally sour mood the country is in thanks to the Bush administration. So long as the Democrats present a unified front I do not believe McCain will find a way to demotivate Democrats when they are so angry with Bush.

[Muttocracy]

108. good post. nt

[intaglio]

68. Obama can win IF

and it is a big if, people get off their asses and start working.

Use Hope and Change and Wisdom to obliterate the only card McCrime has got - Experience.

Remember McCrime means more war, more debt, more death.

Remember MCAnus is a Flip-Flopper.

Push that image of him embracing Bush.

Get behind the healthcare plans and point out how much it will save people.

Go long with Obama's Christianity (sorry but as an atheist lite that leaves a nasty taste in my mouth).

Push Obama's knowlege of, and respect for, the Constitution.

Check out Obama's website and find out his plans.

Point out McInanes health problems, how sad about how often his cancer has returned.

Play dirty when you have to - remember that many Goopers hate the guy and some even doubt his hero status

Above all to wavering Republican favouring voters point out Obama is not Hillary, beat Hillary and Bill, and kept his campaign clean (even if you do not believe that last)

Now get out there and start working!

[Kokonoe]

69. Why do you need to be impressed, he is just a person.

Do you think McCain will do a better job and appoint smarter people.

Its his veto pen and policies that count.

Hes our nominee.

[jillan]

147. I don't need to be impressed, but I do need a Dem in the WH.

[screembloodymurder]

70. Tell me how Hillary can beat McCain without the black vote

cause I don't think she can.

[jillan]

77. I'm sure you have seen the polls that came out last nite that about 39% of Hillary supporters

won't vote for Obama. And that was from 2 states where he did great.

Tell me how Obama can win without the blue collar voters and the 39% that won't vote for him?

The same question can be made for both candidates.

[DMorgan]

90. You fail to notice a few factors.........study a little history of politics

Kennedy Johnson for example.........1960........Nixon Lodge...same year.....(Lodge was BY FAR mor qualified to be Pres)......

There's lots of strange bedfellows and marriages in politics.........I don't yet think Hillary is dead......but I think we will never see her beat those same statistical polls you are looking at if she were the nominee.

Things have a way of changing with the seasons between summer and late fall, tempers cool, real life problems re-emerge..voting for your political same-party enemy of August is very tolerable a few weeks before Turkey day, when winter is settling in.

Life has a way.........

The REAL issue is the "won't vote at all".........an easy cop-out......those people tend to be very infrequent voters, and most of the party regulars come back to their own party by November, but the independents who choose ONLY to vote for one person in the primaries.......there's plenty of them in both Rep and Dem camps......you think ALL Ron Paul's people will show up for McCain?

I think you get the point.........make your message wide enough for most to understand, centrist enough for most not to object to, and keep the hot buttons off the table. Look for the MOST VOTES, not the most perfect campaign speech...........damn I hope Obama understands this too.

[TBF]

73. He just beat Hillary - and she's McCain's Identical twin

[MindMatter]

78. Wow. A bunch more names for my Ignore collection

Really. Why are you here?

(Don't bother to answer. It's on ignore.)

[brentspeak]

113. Another poster who refuses to answer the OP's question

[jillan]

148. You gotta wonder if some of these people are even old enough to drive.

[TragedyandHope]

79. 80% of Americans think the country has gone in the wrong direction

in the past 8 years under Bush and at least 30% of Republicans hate McCain. They were still voting against him in PA (for Huckabee and Paul).

Obama has shown a unique talent for management, leadership and politics in his career since he started out in Illinois.

Out of the three candidates, I truly feel that Obama truly puts America first and that motivates him to a much greater extent than any other reasons he has to run for President. Sure, he's a politician and has an ego. He's a person, so by definition, he's imperfect and will make mistakes along the way. However, I have the feeling Obama, eats, drinks and dreams about policy and getting things done with a passion unequaled by the other two.

Obama approaches problems with a thoughtful appreciation of various sides of the issues. He can reach across the aisle and has the character to make tough decisions that are better for the country, even if it hurts him in the short run.

As for his youth and "inexperience," I think those are both positives. It means he has incredible drive and energy and he isn't shackled by notions of how things ought to be and business as usual. He is also beholden to his broad range of grassroots supporters more than any other candidate.

His platform and campaign doesn't rely on bluster and saber-rattling, so he has no need to put on outrageous and disastrous displays of toughness by sacrificing our young men and women. He has also demonstrated that he is not afraid to back off and reverse a bad decision.

This is a new kind of toughness that we haven't seen in national politics lately.

President Obama will also set a new tone for international relations and re-establish our position of respect and leadership on the world stage. His background, experience and stated positions show that he is the best leader to work with nations around the world to head off the multiple crises facing the planet in the coming years, such as food, water, energy and environment.

In stark contrast, McCain seems to be on auto-pilot. He's happy to have his strings pulled and just go along for the ride, when he remembers what to say. Since last year, he's thrown away most of his old positions and adopted a Bush clone platform. You can tell he's been coasting for years by the way that he doesn't even know basic facts about subjects handled by the most important committees he serves on. Cue Joe Lieberman whispering in his ear.

From the tone of your post, it sounds like you're forgetting that a President doesn't run the country alone. A President selects the best of the best experts in their respective fields to serve in his cabinet and sets the tone for the direction of the country. Obama has repeatedly demonstrated his ability to quickly, honestly and successfully deal with crisis. I have no doubt he will roll up his sleeves and get to work on fixing our problems.

And of course, there is also the critical question of Obama's VP choice. A strong VP will do a great deal to balance out the ticket and compliment Obama's stregths. His choice should give you a good indication of the direction Obama will take this country.

This rough Primary season has been difficult for all Democrats and great for the Rethugs, but once we get our ticket in August I'm sure we will shoot out of the gate ahead of McCain.

The Rethugs will make this an ugly campaign, but I have the feeling it will backfire and remind many Americans of the worst things about the last 8 years under Bush.

It will be a tough fight, but Obama is the right candidate and he will make a great President. He has a habit of consistently exceeding expectations.

[RazBerryBeret]

82. have you not been paying attention?

Democratic registration has tripled. Voting in most states have doubled or more. There were more democrats who voted in NC yesterday than voted there in 04 for Kerry! A Primary!!!! this is amazing.

McCain: divorced a disabled wife after fooling around on her.

has eight houses w/his 20 years younger wife.

has admitted he doesn't know much about the economy.

has promised us there will be more wars.

Has a nasty temper that supposedly every Senator has seen.

is not well liked by most conservatives.

he didn't even vote for Bush.

hmmm...do you really think he can win??

[LucyParsons]

83. this, which we'll be seeing all day, every day, until November:

[izquierdista]

84. Organization and getting out the vote

When I didn't know much about him and wondered what his background was, I read that in the past he was a "community organizer". OH! What a revelation, he has spent his career organizing and motivating people. No wonder he has large groups of dedicated followers who will do what it takes to get the vote out for him.

I remember in the 2000 election, when it looked close, I wanted to go volunteer with Gore's campaign or the local Democratic party, but I couldn't find it. Just a storefront that looked like the Maytag repairman used to work there at one time. True, this was in South Carolina, but they weren't even trying.

Contrast that with Dean's 50 state strategy and Obama setting up campaign offices everywhere and I am sold on the fact that he knows how to campaign, how to mobilize his followers and how to win.

[Muttocracy]

85. posts 38, 44, 59 are right on; here's my thoughts

As a fellow Bidenite, with Dodd for 2nd choice, yeah, I wanted one of the experienced white guys to go against McCain, who I thought would end up being the nominee. I hated that the 3 left after Iowa were the 3 least experienced. I didn't vote in NY because I figured my vote wouldn't matter and I wasn't happy with any of them. But I'd be happy with any of those over McCain. Of the remainders, I've leaned gradually toward Obama. And I think he can beat McCain.

Some points were covered in the posts in my subject line; repeating some here:

*Excellent campaign. Whether it's him or him hiring the right people, they've raised gobs of money, from millions of people who can give more still (not maxed out), spent that money very wisely, recruited lots of volunteers, mastered use of the internet, responded very fast to attacks (in < 1 day)

*Compared to McCain. I hate to discriminate based on age/looks, but Obama is younger, better looking, plays a good game of basketball, tall, etc. Doesn't seem to have any liaisons with lobbyists/prior spouses/disgruntled older children, etc. Some voters are shallow, so hey, we'll take it this time.

*Clear contrast on the war. For anyone who is sick of the death, principle, military drain, or even just the cost of the war, it's a clear against-the-war-get-out-soon vs. for-the-war-and-for-keeping-it-going. The cost of the war isn't going anywhere down between now and November.

*Foreign policy approach. Confused and bomb bomb Iran vs. restore America's dignity.

*Gas tax holiday thing - excellent case of him being able to say, see folks, I'm not going to try to trick you into a false cheap buyoff, we've got to figure out better solutions. Meanwhile, McCain came out and said the war for actually for oil security - oops!

*McCain = former maverick, now flip-flopper- McCain used to have that as his honorable trait, now he's flip-flopped on torture, whole list of other issues.

*McCain = reputation for angry, Obama = reputation for staying cool under pressure.

*Obama will do far better in debates. McCain will look petty, angry, snide, or clueless.

Well, that's a start, and posters above were good. Hope that helps. :hug:

[Muttocracy]

116. oh and health care - how could I forget that one? McCain is a failure at that - buy your own! nt

[jillan]

117. I hope you are right.

About his campaign, even tho I disagree with some of their tactics and some of the crap that they have pulled, his team is a well oiled machine. And that will benefit him in the GE.

I don't agree with you about the debates tho.
Obama does much better addressing a crowd...he kinda sux at debates.

I'm with Hillary till she drops out, but reality is staring me in the face.
Trying to keep an open mind here, just as I did after Iowa.


:hug: back at ya!

[Muttocracy]

120. well, for debating I mean vs. McCain in particular

I watched a few bits of him in the GOP debates and he was obnoxious, sneering, cranky - made me feel for a moment like Mitt Romney was a nice guy!

Biden would have been THE kickass debater, particularly against McCain. Maybe Joe can coach Obama on McCain's weaknesses! ;)

[jillan]

124. I think Obama needs to pick Joe as his Veep,

Then I would be an enthusiastic supporter :P

[Jamastiene]

87. Cause he's got "hi-uh-i HOPEs. He's got hi-uh-i HOPEs."

I am inclined to agree with you, actually, but I just had to throw that song in there. It's been a bad bad earworm since I first heard the Obama campaign utter the word, "hope."

[jillan]

126. lol!

Now you've got that song stuck in my head....thanks alot :P

[femmedem]

89. Because both my MIL and my FIL--disillusioned lifelong Republicans in their '70'--will vote for him.

I thought they'd go for McCain. Months ago they even sent me stupid flag pin e-mails. But last week my MIL said she was disgusted with the media about Rev. Wright, and if Obama didn't get the Dem nomination she would either stay home or vote Green!

They are culturally conservative, rural, white, low-income, low education--not your usual Obama demographic group. And if Obama's got their vote, he can get anyone's.

[IntravenousDemilo]

91. America is ready for generational change in leadership more than you might think.

Time to lose the dirty, old clothes that don't fit anymore. Time to take a long, hot shower and put on a new outfit. Time for the country to feel excited about itself again.

[sellitman]

93. How about this...

He is 1-0. He has already beat Hillary. Not bad for a rookie huh? The Clinton machine has been laid to waste and you have questions about his ability to beat an old crotchety bush wanna bee? Please do better than that.

[shenmue]

94. He doesn't cut it on many terms.

Obama supporters' attachment to their candidate is based on emotion, not facts. Just read any thread of length for the vilification of Sen. Clinton, and you'll see what you're dealing with. They don't care about their man's questionable record, his lack of experience, his contradictions on many issues and his alarming connections to Wright and Rezko. Anytime you bring up the facts, they scream racism. They aren't into Obama because he's the best candidate. They're into Obama because he is a figure of redemption for them. He is the personification of 'getting back' at all the people and forces they don't like.

If substance mattered, none of these people would be here.

[jillan]

104. I agree with everything you said BUT

I would rather have Obama than McCain in the WH on 1/20/09. Believe me when I say I want substance. Biden was my candidate - you don't get much more experience, knowledge, and a record of getting things done, than that. From Biden to Clinton was an obvious move. :(

[patrice]

130. Are you really mistaking some people on the internet for Reality? nt

[TheFarseer]

95. Obama will have the following advantages:

black turnout will be off the charts and 99% of it going to Obama.

McCain is not a very good candidate. He has no plan for - well, anything. It is not going to play well in Ohio when he says teh manufacturing jobs and gone and we're not even going to try to get them back. People say Obama doesn't have a plan, but I know he does. I hope other people will find this out as the year goes on. I have seen him deliver good speaches on specific issues and I hope he will do more of this in the future.

Obama will have a chance in some states that have not been in play like Colorado, Virginia, NC, dare I say Montana(?) and a good shot in some close states too like Missouri. People think that the rural vote will kill him in Ohio, but I assure you, Hillary was not going to do well in rural Ohio either.

youth vote will get a bump from having Obama in the race.

Obama is a money machine and McCain is possibly the worst fund-raiser to ever run for president.

I am by no means certain he will win, but let's not pretend it's all doom and gloom. He has a good shot at winning and anyone that says otherwise is being far to negative.

[washingdem]

98. Fundraising advantage. Unpopular war. Unpopular economy. McCain's age. M's ties to Bush.

Obama's positive message that draws in huge crowds. Obama's personal popularity (as opposed to Gore and Kerry being "Jeez, we like these guys, but other people think they come off arrogant/insincere/etc., Obama is personally likable). Obama's expansion of the map electorally (some surprising states come into play).

[washingdem]

101. Another one I forgot...

Obama's counter-punching ability. He's held back against Clinton, but look at the exchange between McCain and Obama over "Al Qaeda in Iraq." Obama hit back hard and made McCain look like a fool.

[paulk]

99. the way he wins is that people reach such a level of disgust

with the Republican Party that they vote Democratic.

I'm trying to be optimistic. I share your concerns. McCain is beating Obama in electoral college matchups. The blithe assumption from so many in the Obama camp that we don't need the big swing states like Ohio and Florida, that we will somehow win the western mountain states and states like Virginia, makes me hope that Obama, at least, has more sense than his supporters.

[FlyingSquirrel]

103. Here's one reason

Way back in November '07 Paul Waldman from American Prospect did a pretty good opinion piece that analyzed the various candidates and who they would match up best against.

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_ideal_opponent

As I described in two earlier columns, successful presidential candidates weave compelling narratives around their candidacies. The most successful incorporate their opponents into those narrative as villains or goats, so that their stories paint the candidates as two sides of a finely etched coin, one strong and secure, inspiring and reassuring, the other twisted and ugly -- frightening or pathetic or both.

So who are our potential presidents crossing their fingers for, wishing to incorporate into their campaign narratives?

Obama: The candidate Barack Obama would most want to oppose is clearly John McCain. Whatever McCain's supposed appeal to independent voters, he is everything Obama is not. Obama's central argument is that he alone can deliver the country from the poisonously divisive culture war of the 1960s; the centerpiece of McCain's story, the fact from which all of his biography and candidacy flow, is that he was a prisoner of war in Vietnam. Obama could drain the inspiring story of McCain's courage as a young man of all its electoral power, to the point where any time McCain mentioned it, voters would roll their eyes and say, "Enough with Vietnam, let's move on." Obama is young, McCain is old (he'll be 72 on inauguration day, 25 years older than Obama), Obama is fresh, McCain is stale, Obama is the future, McCain is the past. A contest with McCain could be a referendum on whether we put the 1960s behind us or not, one Obama would be bound to win.

Of course, candidates don't get to choose their opponents. But a little over two months from now, both parties' nominees will be determined. What happens in the general election will be in large part a function of which nominee got his or her wish.

[applegrove]

109. I too would like to know more about how Obama handles a crisis. I'd like to see him

tougher. My fears are the same as the OP's.

[jillan]

123. He hasn't put the Wright issue to rest.

There were exit polls last nite of people that didn't vote for him because of Wright.


We all know what's coming in the GE. :(

[livetohike]

110. 4,000+ dead Americans in Iraq

The issue no one is talking about any more, but will become an issue in the GE.

[PassingFair]

136. Thank you for bringing that up! Because 70% of Americans think invading Iraq was a *UCK-UP!

Barack can go after the war-lovers with
both barrels!

[livetohike]

139. Yes he will!

The media has put the war on the back burner for months now. The Republicans think this will be a strong issue for them with McCain. They are in denial over the polls.

[PassingFair]

140. And Clinton supporters have been in denial over how POWERFUL we will be...

with a candidate that can outright ATTACK the
republicans over their illegal, immoral and
DISASTROUS war.

I CAN'T WAIT!!

[ProSense]

111. That's your problem, but why don't you explain why you think Hillary can beat McCain?

Also, what does this mean: "I see 2004 all over again."

How will the race between McCain and Obama be like the one between Kerry and Bush?

[sampsonblk]

112. This isn't a boxing match, its an election.

If we vote for Obama and the GOPers vote for McCain, then Obama wins. Simple mathematics.

[Bensthename]

122. Obama never supported the war..

That is something Kerry could not capitalize on last election.. They kept throwing his vote for the war in his face.

[jillan]

125. The only thing about that

is that he has voted to fund the war several times....
and they could use that against him.


Not trying to be difficult, just trying to be realistic.
:shrug:

[Bensthename]

128. He has said

as a senator he has voted to keep the troops armed. As president he can bring them home..
Also, "they drove the bus in the ditch with their vote, I'm just trying to get it out now".

I think he will be 10 x's more effective on the war then Hillary..
They called Kerry a flip flopper for political reasons. They can not do that with Obama.

And believe me, the war is McCain's only expertise and he will try to turn this election about Iraq like was done last time.

[patrice]

133. The funds are bundled. They don't get to pick and choose what they will fund and what they won't.

If he voted down the appropriations bill that contained the combat funds, he would also have been voting down the money that pays for some Veterans' medical benefits and Military Families support services. Also, the troops need to be re-deployed before you cut off the funding for their logistics, otherwise you're putting them in increased danger even if they aren't involved in combat operations.

Why IS it that people who bring his funding votes up NEVER mention the bundled nature of the appropriations bills? Looks either sort of ignorant or rather suspicious selective use of information. Which is it?

[Muttocracy]

134. I think she means it will be used against Obama (still voting for funding)

and that shouldn't work, but McCain et al. might try.

[patrice]

135. I know there are some hardliners who recommend that approach and I still

struggle with it myself. I wish I could say it would be okay to stop the war that way, but I can't be for it if it puts the Troops in more danger. As much as I really don't think they should have volunteered for this War, I can't agree with doing to them, taking their lives for granted, that I am against them doing to others.

[Muttocracy]

137. that's where despite being against the war

I could support Biden - he admitted his error, and has worked hard to make sure the troops get funding and protection. And no wish that we can just bring them all home tomorrow could make it so - the logistics alone will take a long time :(

[Hippo_Tron]

144. People understand that you continue to fund the war once the troops are in the field

70% of the country wants to see the war come to an end, but most of them don't want to see it come to an end by cutting off funding. Kerry was hurt more because he voted against the funding bill and gave the senatorial explanation of "I voted for it before I voted against it". Obama hasn't been in the Senate long enough to worry about him giving such convoluted explanations.

[RichardRay]

127. Can he? Or course. Will he? That depends...

The Obama campaign's success at voter registration, their GOTV framework, the boots-on-the-ground local organizing, incredible fund-raising capacity and well-managed application of the campain's energy and funds have served well so far. If we could get all (or at least most) the people who voted for any of the Democratic contenders to vote for the nominee we could beat McCain in a walk.

I have always said I would vote for Senator Clinton if she were the nominee. While that seems unlikely at this point, I will iterate that statement as often as needs be to convince you that it's true. I know there are some folks in the Obama camp who don't see it that way right now - I trust they'd figure it out before November and I would expect Senator Obama to help them see what's required. That's what I know about him.

It appears more likely that Senator Obama will be the nominee, so now it's up to you folks on Senator Clinton's side of the fence to decide what to do. Some Clinton partisans will be just as feral about not voting for Senator Obama as some of Senator Obama's would be about not voting for her. I will expect Senator Clinton to find her way clear to support Senator Obama, and to help her supporters move in that direction. I expect that because she is a grown-up Democrat and that's what grown ups do. It doesn't have to be next week, or the week after that, but by the time of the convention that's what she has to do. Failing that she will deserve every last bit of opprobrium she gets.

Assuming that she fulfills that responsibility and that a reasonable majority of her supporters remain loyal to the party we're all supposed to be part of, McCain is toast. If we split ourselves into warring factions and chew each other's throats out, McCain won't even have to campaign.

I know what side I'm on, do you?

[quaker bill]

129. It is real simple

Because he is not a product of the "electability" crowd and their faulty logic. "Electability", "most experience", and "best resume" lost us 2004.

Whereas in this case, we have a candidate who inspires, knows how to run a tight campaign, knows who his voters are, where to find them, and how to get them to the polls. My wife and I worked for Kerry, and unfortunately he was none of that. However, he was "Mr. Electability", the war hero with all the experience and the shiny resume.

People tend to think, on our side, that they can sort all this out. They reduce an election to some sort of calculus called "electability". The term is easily defined as the theoretical qualities that a person imagines others will vote for. Unfortunately, these guesses are invariably wrong. Yes, we should vote for the most intelligent candidate with the longest resume and best policy positions. However if this were ever true, George W. Bush would not reside at 1600 Pennsylvannia Ave.

You can't formulate this stuff. When you do, Mike Dukakis looks "electable". People tend to vote from their hearts, not their heads. This is the only theory that can explain the consistently observed results, to include the entire gamut, from Carter, to Reagan, to Clinton, to both Bushes.

When it comes to the qualities that would cause one to vote from the heart, Obama is a vastly better choice. This is how and why he will win. It is also why Ms. Clinton was destined to a strong second, but never more nor less than that.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

131. Because he isn't a Republican. That (R) behind McBirdBrain's name is like anvil.

Thanks to Boobya, and the rest of the Republicans infesting the WH and congress, the GOP has been discredited beyond redemption.

Even a candidate as weak as Hillary would be elected by simply having a (D) behind her name.

[NC_Nurse]

132. Interesting. I didn't support him at first. I supported Edwards, not rabidly...

when he left I started looking at Obama. I have grown to like him more and more.
He seems so much more genuine to him than Hillary or John, frankly. The only other person
in the race who seemed thoroughly sincere was Dennis, and I knew he wouldn't go anywhere.

I liked Dodd a lot too, but he never really got off the ground.

The more I've listened to Barack and the more I've learned about his policies, the more I like him. I have
no idea why the opposite happened to you.

[Anexio]

138. Because he has to

Obama will be elected in November because he has to.

He just has to.

[mckeown1128]

141. Obama puts all kinds of new states into play...

Some polls have him beating McCain in:

Virginia
Ohio
Iowa
North Dakota
Colorado
New Mexico
Nevada
North Carolina (ties)
Nebraska (splits electors)


And within three points of:

Texas
Alaska
Missouri

The vast majority of the polls show him winning ALL the states Kerry won. Any two or three of these states and we he will win. All the tossups are republican states.


On the other hand Hillary is winning the following states in some polls:

Ohio
Florida
Nevada
West Virginia
Arkansas(in the bag)

But... she is at risk of losing:

Washington
Oregon
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa

[Hippo_Tron]

142. pirhana, American voters are highly irrational, Obama's rhetoric can appeal to that

Elections are won by the person who frames the election in their favor. Bill Clinton did it in 1992 by framing himself as the common man vs George Bush the out of touch elitist. People didn't vote for Clinton because of his 10 point plan to fix the economy. They voted for him because he could walk out on stage and answer stupid questions like "how has the deficit affected you personally?" in a manner that made him look like he was just a regular person. Bush on the other hand, answered the question honestly by saying that it hadn't affected him, and came off looking like an ass for doing so.

In this case it's not so much regular vs elitist, it's future vs past. Obama's rhetoric about "Hope and Change" may seem shallow to people who supported candidates like Biden and Hillary who were very policy oriented candidates, but the rest of the country doesn't like policy wonks, they like shallow rhetoric. Obama's message of past vs future will resonate if he plays his cards right. Democrats will set traps for McCain to basically prove Obama right and McCain will walk right into those traps.

[jillan]

149. Haha - you've definitely got me figure out ----

I go for those policy wonks.
Guess I find policy intellectually stimulating. I need to hear plans. And maybe that is what I am missing from Obama.


Just hope he can pull it off in November. I just want a winner.

[Hippo_Tron]

153. I go for them too, but I'm not like most Americans

I loved John Kerry. Most people found him dry and wonkish. Obama is the antithesis of that. And frankly I think that's exactly what we need to win this time around.

If it makes you feel any better, FDR didn't have a clue what kind of policies he was going to enact when he was running for President. He actually attacked Hoover for deficit spending.

[La Coliniere]

143. I really think that

those voters under 35 will put him over the top.

[Carrieyazel]

145. Obama will likely lose. He could very well be Kerry 2.0

He'll do respectably, but not enough to win. The arithmetic isn't there for him in the electoral college, much like the arithmetic isn't there for Hillary in the primary delegate race.

He's well behind in Ohio, New Hampshire, Nevada, and most troubing for him, a poll came out showing him slightly behind in Wisconsin today. That's a state where he should be slightly ahead. There aren't many other battlegrounds left. Pennsylvania, which he has a shot, is looking like it could go either way in the general.

And I can't see him turning any red states blue beyond Iowa or Colorado.

[PurityOfEssence]

150. Obama goes to eleven

How do we know? Because he says so.

[berni_mccoy]

151. Why Do Hillary Supporters Think Hillary Can Beat McCain and Obama, Who CRUSHED Clinton

Can't Beat McCain? Obama > Clinton > McCain.

[kwenu]

152. Tell me how Hillary can win. I think she is a rallying cry for Repubs and can be shown to be chronic

lier.

[IsItJustMe]

155. I believe he does. Who the hell are you and why do I have to convince you of anything.

Have a nice day.

[Steely_Dan]

156. I Find It Amazing...

that you ask a question in good faith and you get trashed by some of the Obama supporters. The OP is asking an important question. Why trash the OP?

Amazing...and sad.

-P

[Vinca]

159. A tree stump should be able to beat McCain, are you kidding?

Either of our candidates can. The problem is no one is running against him yet. The sheeple don't know anything about McCain beyond the fact he was a POW. Wait until they find out their health insurance will be gone under McCain. Wait until they find out he wants to privatize social security. Then, of course, there's the expansion of war thing. Of course, if all of Hillary supporters decide to sit home and pout, then we'll probably lose. Well . . . you'll lose. I'll be moving to Canada.

[Political Heretic]

160. Obama is on the popular side of every issue relevant to this election.

He is eloquent and inspiring, and no matter how much some of you cringe at that, its going to matter in the general.

He makes McCain look like he's on oxygen every time their pictured within 10 seconds of each other.

The republicans #1 issue, "fear terra terra terra" does not have traction with the electorate this year.

The Democrats #1 issue where they always do well, the economy stupid, is the number one issue on voter's minds.

Every political indicator for a change of party in the white house is met - we'd have the advantage even if we ran a turd as our candidate.

But the most cynical answer, and probably the most important one, is money. Money wins election, and he can outspend McCain 2:1.

[annie1]

161. he'll beat him b/c he's registered a lot of new voters, because black people....

will vote in HUGE numbers, and because the other day mccain wasn't sure where he was.

and i also have tried. i think he's not even close to up to par.

[moondust]

162. I am NOT sold on your amateur analysis at all.

Welcome to ignore.