Here's what needs to happen with MI and FL

[TheFarseer]

First off all, the Republicans only gave them half delegates for breaking the rules. We need to do that also. Second, we have 2 options. We can let the results of the primary count (with uncommitted in MI counting for Obama) or get up a caucus ASAP. Face it, if we don't seat these delegates and seat them based on some sort of vote, that would be a really raw deal for millions of Democrats. Also, we can end this once and for all and I don't have to hear from Republicans how the Democrats disenfranchised millions of minority voters. Agree, disagree?

[Zachstar]

1. They will more than likely be seated 50/50

The convention is where other things are talked about as well and Obama is not going to let those states go unrepresented.

If they do not like 50/50 then oh well. We have to move on

[bleuvixen]

2. Agree to do something

we need to do something, punish the state not the people. We won't forget come re-election time. I email that phrase to every sitting member on the FL site ever week!

Whatever it is, even a re-vote is a gesture they need to extend.

[rocktivity]

21. The DNC is scheduled to meet on the matter on May 31

though Obama will probably have 2025 pledged and superdelegates by then.

:headbang:
rocknation

[ShortnFiery]

3. Why? Both states' arrogant Democratic Representatives BROKE the DNC RULES!

BOTH MI and FL should be seated 50:50. If there's ANYONE to blame, look to your STATE REPRESENTATIVES who can NOT play by *the rules.*

NO SLACK FOR CHEATERS! Even if their last name may be "Clinton."

[TheFarseer]

9. the voters didn't break any rules

and they are punished by only counting half. Going forward, we need to totally overhaul the whole process or else some state is going to move their 2012 primary to November 5, 2008.

btw, I am NOT a Hillary supporter. I just think it's a bad idea to make millions of people that we need in November angry.

[ShortnFiery]

14. THEIR party leaders screwed them. Now, the DELEGATES can be represented 50:50 but just because

someone holds the last name CLINTON, is NO EXCUSE to break the DNC rules.

It's time for HRC to stop the whining and PLAY BY THE RULES that she originally agreed to.

Shame on HRC. She's embarrassing to her gender. :(

[LisaM]

4. My family in Michigan voted "uncommitted" and they are Hillary supporters

They voted that way in the hopes the delegation might be seated (and my mom, fyi, was a delegate at the last convention, she's not just some piker). So don't assume that there aren't some Hillary votes in the "uncommitted" tally.

[MadBadger]

5. Seat the Florida delegates as is, Michigan revote, no superdelegates

She'd get beat if a Michigan revote was held today.

[mohc]

6. At this point there simply is not enough time

Plans for a revote needed to start last year, or at the very latest in the weeks before the primaries early this year. But neither Michigan or Florida wanted to do that because it would be openly admitting they made a mistake and further remove legitimacy from their planned bogus primaries which they were still trying to protect. They waited until there simply was not enough time logistically speaking to perform a valid revote. The only plausible scenario at this point would be a revote by opinion polling after a period of open campaigning, which has been suggested by several parties. Somehow I doubt that would make anyone feel that much better than some agreement between the two campaigns.

[stillcool]

7. I don't want to hear about...

Rogue States fucking up our Primaries again. I don't want to hear about candidates usurping the rules to win an election. I don't want to hear about states not counting, caucuses not counting, and black votes not counting. I don't want to hear liberal Democrats who consistently vote for the populace being trashed and bashed. I don't want to hear about "Democrats on the Left".

[bain_sidhe]

8. Don't care anymore

There's no reason to do anything with MI and FL, because it doesn't matter anymore.

I voted knowing my vote wouldn't count, and some half-assed "lets all be friends" compromise isn't going to make a damn bit of difference.

Let us be disenfranchised. I can live with that, as long as it leads to REAL primary reform the next time around. Trying to pretend that some compromise will make it all better is the exact opposite of the goal in our "civil disobedience" rogue primary. The goal was to let somebody else go first. That's what was promised after the 2004 primary season, and that's what we still want.

Note, it should not be ANY of the states that broke the rules.

[suston96]

10. Nope. I have a better idea......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5870095&mesg_id=5873542

People are saying, and I agree, that Obama will win even if ALL the delegates from Michigan and Florida are seated. So? Seat them. That will avoid a tarnished nomination for Obama and placate some 3 million voters in those states.

While you are thinking about that, go to this link:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May07.html

Florida and Michigan will be players in the electoral race.

[TheFarseer]

13. I lean toward just going with the original vote tally

but I still think they should be punished for breaking the rule sand the other states should be rewarded for following the rules by having their votes count in full. I have to agree with other posters that re-doing now would be too difficult and keep this circular firing squad going when it seems to be finally ending. I think the reugs did something right for once by counting them half and I think we need to do something to get this over with. just my opinion.

[IsItJustMe]

19. If it can be worked out that their states won't make a difference with Obama's nomination, I think

that would be punishment enough. Knowing that in the end, their states made no difference at all.

[DanTex]

11. How about this

Hillary concedes the nomination to Barack. Soon.

Then we can seat MI and FL and whoever else, have a great, positive convention, win in November, get out of Iraq, pass universal health care, develop an energy policy, etc.

Yes we can.

[Kittycat]

12. 50/50MI, 1/2votes in FL with obama getting all votes Clinton didn't

Because she did begin campaigning the night before to sway voters, about getting their delegation seated.

[TheFarseer]

15. my problem wtih not basing on the vote tally

is that people's votes didn't count for anything if that is how they go about seating delegates.

[ShortnFiery]

16. THAT'S because they held *early primaries* and did NOT follow the rules.

There's no reason to FAVOR a Clinton just because she's considered "royalty" ... it's unfair.

50:50 split - both states. Anything other than that is bowing to "Clintonian Royalty" since SHE DID AGREE TO THE DNC RULES IN ADVANCE.

Do you REALLY believe that we should change the rules JUST FOR HRC?!?

[TheFarseer]

22. it's not just for HRC

it's for the voters in those two states. I can see we're just not going to agree. I admit I am much more willing to seat these delegates now that Obama is going to be the nominee anyway.

[ShortnFiery]

23. Hello?!? The reason it was "against the DNC rules" is that the candidates did NOT

get ample opportunity to campaign in either state. Now, WHO do you think would benefit from MORE TIME campaigning?

Anything other than a 50:50 split is giving into "a Clintonian tantrum."

Damn the Clintons, what's fair is fair! 50:50 split = delegates get seated but do not influence the Nomination - blame YOUR selfish democratic representatives if you wish to place blame. :shrug:

[Kittycat]

18. They broke the rules. At least they would have some delegate representation

MI has already been ruled void by a judge, couple that with Obama not being on the ballot - you just cannot seat it as is or even with the odd split. It really must be 50/50. FL I do see a bit different, but I think it needs to be 1/2 vote representation.

[rocktivity]

17. The DNC shouldn't completely disenfranchise the MI/FL voters (though they were warned

that the votes would not not count). But seating the delegates as is would amount to rewarding the MI/FL Dems who deliberately violated the rules (though THEY were warned that the votes would not count). The DNC also has to be fair to the states that DID obey the rules, and to those in MI/FL who didn't vote because they believed the DNC when they were warned that the votes wouldn't count--whew!

There's no solution that's going to (or should) make everybody happy, but it definitely shouldn't involve punishing the innocent. I think that splitting the delgates 50/50 and barring the superdelegates is the fairest solution all around.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Hamlette]

20. what is so important about the convention?

if this were the election, I'd worry about them not voting. But the democrats are going to meet in Denver in August for a big party but the results will already be known. The party will nominate Obama.

So why is it so important to go and vote for something when you already know what will happen?

And, if you think FL and MI should somehow sway the election in favor of Hillary then how fair is that? You tell two states their votes won't count and then give the ones who broke the rules veto power?

I don't see it.

[dnbmathguy]

24. Is there a way to punish the state leaders while still seating the delegates?

Take away committee chairmanships or something like that. It isn't the fault of the FL and MI voters that their party leaders broke the rules. The leaders knew what they were doing, and knew the consequences. They should have to pay the price for this.

The no superdelegate strategy would also work.

[TheFarseer]

25. no superdelegates - I like that

punish the guilty