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Missouri Blue Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 04:55 PM
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Obama vs McCain shouldn't even be close.

McCain is going to say dumb and contradictory things one after another. He has betrayed his reputation as a maverick, which was his only selling point in a campaign where "change" is the theme. In moving toward the center of his party, meaning to the right wing, he has betrayed Independents.

Dubya could get away with gaffes because they could be dismissed as innocent mistakes by somebody who was generally a very good person (according to Republicans). When John McCain makes a gaffe, as he has, it's going to look more like Alzheimer's. Worse far him, after years of it grinning and bearing Bush's idiotic communications skills, Independents are tired of stupid. They aren't willing to laugh when a candidate says things anymore. Otherwise, as shown, his speeches are going put supporters so completely asleep they might not even get out of bed on election day.

McCain won the nomination by default. He was the last guy left standing after running a horrible primary campaign, only good when compared to the others of his party. He is a weak candidate. Noth Obama and Clinton are very strong candidates, and at least neither of them dropped out early due to weakness, as was the case with all the Republican candidates.

Don't anybody worry. This election will continue to be about the strangest in history.
I bet you Obama is going to tear McCain apart. If we try, the Republican decline will continue.

But we can't be complacent. It's important that we bury the GOP so completely that no rescue is possible.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 04:56 PM
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1. Kerry vs Bush should have been a cakewalk too.
Of course, recalling those debates, I think Kerry wasn't the prepared one - unless it's wrong to ask the same question of the candidate who just asked the same question of the other...? All I remember is, those debates were a joke. And not in a good way.

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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:00 PM
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5. The full disasters of Bush's policies weren't realized back then
Compare the 2004 Congressional elections to 2006. More and more American's realize that the republicans are pushing the country in the wrong direction.

McCain offers nothing new, and will represent the old ways of the republican party. 9/11 and fears of terrorism can't save the party this time around with gas at $4 a gallon
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:02 PM
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7. Bush was an incumbent and his approval rating was much higher at the time
Even with that he came within 300,000 Ohio votes of being turned out.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:01 PM
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18. Debates will be a problem for Obama
if he makes it to the GE, he won't be able to parrot answers from McCain like he did w/ Clinton and Edwards. Then again, maybe he will. Look for Obama to make a hard right turn if he gets to the GE.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 09:34 AM
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23. Another Obama-hating Hillary supporter
your candidate would be so proud. :rofl:
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 04:57 PM
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2. Its going to be a very well deserved landslide
embarrisingly so.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 04:57 PM
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3. Don't underestimate the Republican Slime Machine and McCain
We may think that about him, but many others do not and this race is going to be very close and no walk in the park....
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 04:57 PM
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4. Agreed
It's not going to be a cakewalk, but America is ready to say goodbye to the Bush era.

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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:01 PM
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6. McCain came out today in favor of launching the League of Nations.
I shit you not. http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=54538§ionid=351020104

Turns out he meant a "League of Democracies", but it sadly reinforces the notion that McCain is at least Reaganesque in his grasp of real world facts.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:02 PM
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8. Ted Bundy could beat McCain..
With Jeffery Dahmer as his running mate. The only way to lose this election is to give it to them. And we are doing our best to make that happen.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:05 PM
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9. Bundy / Dahmer 08! If you cant beat 'em... kill 'em and eat em!
Its a winner! :rofl:
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:07 PM
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10. Agreed, this won't even be close
and it's an incredible opportunity to redraw the electoral map. Obama will bring in states that have been red for years and years.

What an exciting time!!!

David
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:09 PM
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11. This is what scares me....
Don't count your chickens yet.
Nothing suprises me anymore.

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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:12 PM
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12. October surprise?
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 09:24 AM
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22. Not so much
I've talked to Obama folks and Democrats in general who just assume it's a done deal, to me that's dangerous.
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DMorgan Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:14 PM
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13. I LOVE forward-thinking people like you!
These are the REAL issues, ideas, and concepts we need to be disgussing.

NOT, he said she said.

Let's move on, even if Hillary refuses to do so.
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old guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:35 PM
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14. The corporate media holds the keys to this election as they have in the past.
If they continue to protect and make excuses for McCain, the election will be a crap shoot at best.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:38 PM
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15. Obama v McCain.....? Here is one poll - worth bookmarking......
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:03 PM
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19. Obama will face an uphill battle against McCain
if he makes it to the GE. He's not in a position of strength right now.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:45 AM
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26. Its actually even right now, all the polling points to that.
Obama is in a stronger position as he does not have to defend Shrub. More people care about McLame's realtionship with Georgie boy then they care about Obama's with Rev. Wright per a recent poll.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:39 PM
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16. Shouldn't be, but if Florida remains unaddressed.....
...count my word on it, it will be close.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:59 PM
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17. It won't be.
We'll see the MSM trying all colors of lipstick on the McCain pig, but they won't be able to make him cool. Obama embodies cool, and has more on his menu than * leftovers.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:10 PM
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20. I agree it looks good for Democrats. And we cannot be complacent.
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:34 PM
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21. I love Obama strategy of pre-emption against the rethugs
How many times of you heard Obama talk about the how the rethugs will trot out their bags of tricks, lies and deceptions? He is stealing a line from Rove's playbook - repeat something enough and people tend to believe it (it actually is the truth this time, however). And the media (CNN, MSNBC) also keep mentioning that the slime machine is coming. So come the Fall when the 527s, etc. try to swiftboat Obama everyone will see right through the crap and dismiss it as republican Rovian tactics and not believe a word of it.

I think Obama learned something valuable from the 2004 election.
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:33 AM
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24. Corporate Media Require "IT" to be close: you're correct that complacency
Edited on Thu May-08-08 10:37 AM by NoFederales
is exceedingly dangerous. Ignore the goddamned media polls and punditry, just dump shitload after shitload after shitload of DISSENT on McCain and the Republicans and their Corporate Wurlitzers. Keep the Democratic messages going with unrelenting pressure, like a firehose on an ant hill such that NO RESCUE IS POSSIBLE! A landslide election will be more "difficult" to steal with our fucked up election processes.

NoFederales

On Edit: Thanks and welcome Missouri Blue
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:35 AM
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25. yup, if they want to play flip flop commercials this year, McCain doesnt have a chance.
He has literally flipped on every major issue, and that is just in the last fwe years.

And as far as smarts, McCain graduated at the bottom of his class of almost 1,000..
Ive got to admit Hillary was tough.. McCain will be easy compaired to her.
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