Question for Hillary supporters.

[MadHound]

How does it feel, knowing that a significant amount of your candidate's support is now coming from RW conservative assholes such as Rush Limbaugh. Many of the experts are already stating that Hillary's "victory" last night was due to the massive cross over vote coming from former 'Pugs. Do you think that it is right or honest to be accepting this sort of support, touting it as genuine, even though you know that in the fall, when it counts, you wouldn't have it?

[patrice]

1. Interesting that one so "experienced" is so open to being double-crossed. nt

[Maven]

2. Probably the same way it feels to know that much of Obama's support

comes from ultrareligious, socially conservative assholes who think people like me are subhuman and need to be cured.

In case you haven't noticed, many Hillary supporters (including myself) have now acknowledged the race is over and plan to vote for Obama. Digs like this only deepen divisions and help McCain.

[MadHound]

5. LOL, how many current threads do you want me to link to?

There are many up on the board right now, still attacking Obama and his supporters, yet you want the Obama people to play nicey nice while the Hillary folks continue to rip and shred. Riiiiight. Hell, you yourself are continuing to do the same, blasting Obama supporters by stating that they are "ultrareligious, socially conservative assholes" when you know damn well that isn't the case, especially here on DU.

I was trying to ask an honest question, yet you're insisting on taking it the wrong way. That friend is your problem, not mine. If this is your level of sensitivity, then I suggest that you either toughen up quickly, or go find some other forum to post on.

[Maven]

14. I didn't say all of them were

I said a good number of them were (see: SC tour) which was a valid comparison to your BS argument that Hillary's support comes largely from Republican disruptors. Likewise, I have learned to ignore the more trollish Obama supporters who do nothing but post personal attacks on Clinton (unflattering photos, etc.) You're free to do the same with Hillary supporters who attack Obama.

And you're not asking an honest question. You're trying to antagonize people. If you wanna start shit and then expect not be called on it, then it is you who needs to toughen up or find another forum.

[MadHound]

27. LOL, you're comparing the SC tour to Hillary's monetary and electoral support

From the likes of Rush, Murdoch, Hannity, Coulter, etc. etc. ad nauseum, who are actively using the media to have RW voters skew the results. Puhleeze Vulcan, wake up and look around.

Oh, and I didn't use the word "largely" I used the word "significant". Look them up in the dictionary and not the difference. Ten percent, which is the figure I'm talking about, isn't large, but it is significant, as we saw last night in Indiana.

And again, you're trying to state that I'm wanting to antagonize people. I'm not, but you with your marvelous mind reading powers insist that it's so. I suggest that you go into some other line than that of psychic, you are a miserable failure.

[OzarkDem]

20. as well as Wall Street and the Insurance lobby

who helped write his health care reform plan.

[MadHound]

32. Umm, Hillary was the largest beneficiary of the largesse of both of those lobbies

Whoops!

[OzarkDem]

42. Um, nope. Check your facts

and Obama is the one with the lobbyist designed health care reform plan. No caps on premiums + government subsidies = corporate welfare for private insurance companies.

Clinton's plan has caps on premiums and stricter regulation of private insurance companies, as well as forced competition with public insurance.

[MadHound]

46. Got any links?

Or is this just idle speculation on your part.

Oh, and if you go over to Open Secrets, you'll find out just how much the health insurance and Wall Street financiers contributed to each, and you'll see that it was indeed Hillary who received more monetary support.

[JuniperLea]

3. Why are Obama supporters such sore winners?

Are you trying to hurt his chances in the GE?

[femmedem]

4. We're not all sore winners.

Sorry about that. :hug:

[JuniperLea]

8. Back at ya...

:hug:


If you aren't part of the healing, you're part of the pain, right?

[Jersey Devil]

6. It's going to take a while for hard feelings to subside for both sides

Hopefully we will see less and less of this kind of thing every day from here on out.

[JuniperLea]

10. From your keyboard to Goddess' eyes!

I hope you are right.

[MadHound]

9. An honest question, borne from honest curiosity, is now being a "sore winner"

Have you ever thought that you're reading too much into a post? Perhaps you should consider that rather than jumping to conclusions.

[JuniperLea]

13. If I were a Clinton supporter, I might have that POV

But, no. I've never been in either camp, and I still trust my perspective.

Go count the anti-Clinton threads that are starting up minute by minute. There is a lot of shit still being stirred, and for what? To rub it in?

Nope. There are a lot of sore losers here... granted, they are being attacked by Clinton camp folk. Neither camp is perfect.

But if you aren't part of the healing, you are part of the pain.

[RaleighNCDUer]

66. I think it has something to do with dealing with all the sore losers. nt

[JuniperLea]

77. No...

Check out all the new Clinton hate threads... there are very, very few Clinton supporters around today.

[rock]

7. au contraire

If Hillary were to become the nominee I think she would get good support from pissed-off conservatives.

[MadHound]

12. Somehow I seriously doubt it

There is no other Democratic family that is so hated by the right than the Clintons. That is why folks like Rush are touting Hillary so hard, they know as well as other politically savvy folks that having Hillary head the ticket is a formula for a McCain win, because she would insure a massively high conservative voter turnout in the fall, and also insure that many, many people, such as the anti-war left, would either stay home or go third party.

[dogday]

11. Obama has a lot of Republican support.. Links provided

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_amer...

http://www.republicansforobama.org /

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23394070 /

http://georgiaunfiltered.blogspot.com/2007/07/more-geor...


The door swings both ways and I would not trust support for either candidate from the RSM...

[Arrowhead2k1]

15. Right, but Obama's support is genuine from the repugs,

Hillary got some votes from people that only wanted to clear the way for their true candidate, McCain.

[JuniperLea]

19. So... "genuine" Repug support is good?

What am I missing?

:shrug:

[Arrowhead2k1]

22. Why not?

It means they're starting to see the light and maybe even turning Democrat. Wtf is wrong with that?

[JuniperLea]

25. Why would they turn to Obama

If Hillary is more like their own? I'm getting mixed messages here... just trying to understand.

[Maven]

26. LOL!

Good point.

[JuniperLea]

34. It's just more dirty GOP tricks

And as you can see, too many Dems are being played like a fiddle.

We need to unite behind the party and against the right wing smear machine before it's too late. Now it the time.

[dogday]

35. All those racists voting for Obama? doesn't make any sense to me.....

[Arrowhead2k1]

36. Not all Repugs are conservative slimeballs...

Ron Paul's peeps might be just the kind of Repugs more attracted to Obama for instance. This isn't as black and white as you appear to think.

[dogday]

37. One word for you..... WRONG eom

[Arrowhead2k1]

41. Whatever you say buddy.

You see the quarter of voters who didn't vote for McCain yesterday in the Repug primaries? Guess who a big chunk of them were supporting. Ron Paul! Now you think they're willing to vote for 'bomb bomb bomb' Iran McCain?! No sir, it is you who needs to open your eyes to what's going on on the other side...

[dogday]

44. You keep trusting those old Republicans and let me know how

it works for you.. I have had 8 years of Republican leadership and that has left a bad taste in my mouth and an injured son in Iraq... don't lecture me on their values....

[Arrowhead2k1]

47. Stop acting like the Republicans are a single entity with a single core of values.

They're NOT, just like the Democratic party IS NOT. Hasn't this primary season taught you anything?

[dogday]

51. Do you love your whittle Republicans?

cause it sure sounds that way.. The republicans have gotten us into war, drove our national debt up so far my great-grandchildren will be paying for it..

The republicans are the enemy... Remember this is a Democratic board and used to promote DEMOCRATS....

[Arrowhead2k1]

54. You've totally missed my point obviously.

I'm a liberal Obama supporter through and through, I'm just trying to explain to you the reality of the situation with regards to Republican voters switching to Obama. This is a GOOD thing for Obama and the Democratic party. You however, seem too closed minded in your thinking making it seem like ALL Republicans are somehow the scourge of the earth no question about it... :rolleyes: I'm simply pointing out that things aren't as black and white as you think between the two parties and if Obama wants to be successful you can expect him to reach out to those in the grey.

[JuniperLea]

58. What you fail to see is that their Obama support isn't

as black and white as YOU think it is.

[Arrowhead2k1]

64. I'm not trusting Republicans!

I'm talking strategy. Gawd! You're acting like I just came out and said VOTE REPUBLICAN. Where the fuck did I say that? Seriously, grow a fucking brain.

[JuniperLea]

75. I'm talking strategy, you aren't

You don't see their sudden support of Obama as a strategy? Puhleeeese!

And my brain is just fine. We were having a decent conversation until you decided you couldn't win the argument and had to resort to insults.

[dogday]

59. The republicans voted for Bush twice... I rest my fucking case sir....

[JuniperLea]

56. You're kidding, right??

Republicans, thy name is lockstep! They can't take a poo alone! They are all about being stubborn.

Let me know how much you still trust them come November 1, after their October Surprise settles in.

Trusting Republicans... now I've heard everything!

[Arrowhead2k1]

60. Who's trusting anybody?

This is about acquiring votes. I'm certainly glad you're not strategizing Obama's campaign...

[JuniperLea]

63. Oh jeez...

You are trusting that their actions in the primary will come home to roost in the GE... amazing.

[Arrowhead2k1]

67. So why do we even bother having elections?

In your world, once a Republican, always a Republican? lol, if only it was that simple.

Does the same hold true for Democrats? Because a lot of them too will be voting for McCain if their nominee isn't nominated. But I guess in your world, that just does not happen. phew!

[JuniperLea]

74. That's not what I'm saying at all

My father was a life long Republican, until this last election, when he changed parties and voted for a Democrat. Now he is a Democrat, and is fully trustworthy:)

Don't put words in my mouth, and more importantly, you should read the words that are actually there.

[Arrowhead2k1]

81. I'm not putting words in your mouth, it's what I understood and now you're contradicting yourself.

You said earlier: "Republicans, thy name is lockstep! They can't take a poo alone! They are all about being stubborn."

Stubborn and lockstep you say, but now you admit that your father a 'life long Republican' is apparently not so stubborn afterall, he ended up switching sides! Thanks for proving my point! :) Maybe I'm in the wrong to be going off on you so harshly, it's that Dogday dude that really got under my skin. ;)

[JuniperLea]

83. dogday rules...

dogday is one of the most level headed people here... used to be a mod as a matter of fact.

I think there is a lot of miscommunication going on... maybe time to kick back, relax, and start over.

[dogday]

85. First of all, I am a woman, and one of substance at that...

I am not looking to endorse, defend, or understand anything that remotely looks, acts, talks, walks, or quacks like a Republican....

If for that reason, I got under your skin, then I have to ask myself why would that really bother you, my fellow progressive? I can't seem to find a answer to that question and the rules prevent me from saying what is popping into my head...

Let's just agree to disagree and vote Democrat in November, shall we??? Or are you voting for Ron Paul? Just sayin :shrug:

[dogday]

65. I hope they don't count on them come November.. Remember

republicans voted for Bush for a second time and that is all that is needed to say... Even knowing what a bastard he was for this country, they did it anyway.. Now defend that point....

[Arrowhead2k1]

68. Affiliating with a certain party doesn't brand you for life.

When we say Republican and Democrats, we may be using the terms loosely on certain people. Ever hear of the swing voters? They register for parties too. Not all those who put George Bush over the top were even considering themselves Republicans at the time. There are many more factors at play here. Jebus, there's a shitload of factors actually. People change their minds all the time!

[dogday]

69. That is crap, they all voted as one block to elect a mass murderer....

[Arrowhead2k1]

70. Yes, I'm sure that's what over half of the voters were exactly thinking...

:eyes:

[dogday]

72. Yep war, war and more war... that's what they were thinking

mindless drones....

[dogday]

28. No such thing with the republicans.. They will vote for the

Republican candidate come November... Democrats should be wise to their tricks now, we have been victims of so many of them.. Trust no republican vote.. A republican vote today= no vote in November...

[Arrowhead2k1]

45. Do you even know who Ron Paul is?

Do you even understand what kind of a following he attracted? This is 2008 pal, and no matter what people tell you, issue #1 is still the war to many people. Some of them have family serving right now and have been disillusioned by what has happened these past two terms. Look, I'm not saying they're in Obama's bag by any means at this point, but they're not impressed with McCain AT ALL.

Now, are you going to present actual arguments this time, or flatly tell me I'm 'wrong' again? :eyes:

[dogday]

49. Do you? Yes he wants to end the war and that I admire, but his

other policies are for shit... Maybe you don't know who he is or maybe you just made a wrong left turn and ended up here....

[Arrowhead2k1]

52. This is not about Ron Paul's policies. I AM NOT PLUGGING RON PAUL.

I'm saying that his supporters might be more attracted to Obama than McCain in the GE. Even Ron Paul himself has told them that Obama has the best plan for foreign policy out of the dems and he absolutely will not get behind McCain!. Watch for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNOpdE2Z0Ss

[dogday]

53. Please go shill for Ron Paul somewhere else.... eom

[Arrowhead2k1]

55. Wow, how dense can you get?

Let's see...

[dogday]

57. How dense are you shilling for a Republican on a Democratic Board???

[JuniperLea]

61. Seriously! I thought my cursor slipped...

And I was in Freeperville!

Trusting Republicans... what next?

[dogday]

21. bullshit, no support from the republicans is genuine.. You trust the

Republican slime machine to be good to Obama.. No freaking way.. They are up to something...

Take off your blinders man and realize, republican support=no support in November....

[Arrowhead2k1]

30. I'm not talking about hardcore right-wingers, they'll never support Obama. Period.

I'm talking about Repugs who aren't as attached to their party who may want to actually see an Obama presidency. In Hillary's case, we're talking about slimeball repugs who voted Hillary to prolong the pain in the Democratic party in their hopes to see a fucking McCain presidency.

[dogday]

33. One thing about Republicans, they march lock-step for their candidate..

Sorry but this is their mantra and it should be ours if we want our Democrat in the White House...

A vote from a republican today=no vote for a democrat in november.. that simple....

[Arrowhead2k1]

38. Have you ever met a true Ron Paul Republican?

Ask them about McCain...

[dogday]

43. One thing about Republicans, what they say, is not what they do...

Raul Paul may want to end the war, but his stance on other things sucks the big one...

[MadHound]

16. And yet does Obama have the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Murdoch, Coulter, Buchanan, etc. etc.

Ad nauseum coming out and advocating on public airwaves for things like Operation Chaos, and crossover voting to skew the vote? No, he doesn't, yet Hillary is receiving exactly this sort of RW support, all to get her nominated. The RW isn't doing this because they like Hillary, they're doing it because they know all too well that Hillary is the weaker candidate.

[JuniperLea]

18. Then why is the RW supporting Obama?

That is, afterall, the point here.

[MadHound]

39. What RW support?

I've seen no big RW names comparable to those who are pushing Hillary. Where are the Murdochs, doing fundraisers, or the Limbaughs on the radio, or Hannity's, Buchanan's and so many others pushing Obama, plainly and publicly?

All I see is some quiet crossovers by moderate 'Pugs who are going to stick around for the GE. None of the rabid RWers who are bent on disrupting and interfering in the Dem nomination. For Christ's sake, Hillary was schmoozing with Scaife of all people!

There is no comparison.

[JuniperLea]

76. Check it out...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5872475&mesg_id=5872759

[Maven]

23. Limpballs was on his show today "thinking aloud" about telling his minions to support Obama

because he thinks Obama is the "weaker Democrat {sic} candidate."

What's the lesson? FUCKING IGNORE RUSH LIMBAUGH.

[JuniperLea]

29. And don't trust the GOP!

They are playing a game here, and sad to say, a lot of Dems are being played like a fiddle. Doing the GOP's work without even knowing it. Sad.

[dogday]

24. They are doing it because they can and we fall for it...

No republican vote is worth a shit.. Wait till November and see just how many vote for a Democrat...

[JuniperLea]

17. Wish I could rec a post!

Well done, dogday... people need to open their eyes. There is a much bigger picture here that is going unnoticed. People should start feeling like violins any day now... played like a fiddle.

I always did feel that Obama and Clinton were two peas in a pod.

[RaleighNCDUer]

71. 1st, 3rd, and 5th links are non-functional.

The RFO site is normal for ANY campaign year - or don't you remember the Democrats for Nixon?

All campaigns make some effort to reach into the opposite camp, to get people who are disgruntled with their own candidate, or first time voters who are 'republican' for no more reason than Mom & Dad are republican, etc.

And there is a significant difference between getting real support from disaffected republicans and getting dittohead Operation Chaos support. You don't even have to look below the surface - Rush PROCLAIMS that he wants people to vote for Hillary just to fuck with our elections, because he knows that Obama will be harder to deal with than Hillary and her 35 years of experience.

Are there some racist republicans that voted for Obama because they think a black man can't win the GE? Probably. But they're going to be VERY surprised when they find out they helped ELECT him.

[dogday]

86. Here are the functional links, sorry about that, I like to get it right ya know...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1752381.ece

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/01/AR2008020102663.html

http://georgiaunfiltered.blogspot.com/2007/07/more-georgia-republicans-support-obama.html

[RaleighNCDUer]

90. Appreciate it.

BTW, you might re-think that last link - a blog about a poll that is 10 months old is hardly indicative of the current situation.

[dogday]

91. I could of posted one hundred links, but took the first couple

to illustrate a point.. One that I feel needs to be looked at closely.. I don't trust a Republican vote at all for any reason in the Primary... Let's see how this plays out in the election, if I was right, and they will vote as a block for the Republican Candidate..

After all Republicans voted for Bush twice.. Once, I could forgive, twice, no freaking way.....

[Crunchy Frog]

87. At least they're actually planning to vote for him.

[dogday]

88. Are you sure about that... The Republicans have their

own agenda and I don't trust them to vote for a Democrat in the GE... Remember the last two elections, they voted twice as a block to put a mass murderer in office...

When either candidate gets that type of support from republicans, it makes me speculate as to what their real motives are....

[AZ Criminal JD]

31. Why didn't you just ask when we stopped beating our wives and be done with it.

[MadHound]

40. Because I figured that most Hillary supporters were mature enough for genuine curiosity

I guess I was mistaken:shrug:

[Jamastiene]

48. Right back atcha!

Remember, Obama is the candidate that appeals to Republicans and Independents...for the primaries, anyhow.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

50. isnt he winning? so why the attitude? thats what i dont get. i think this is not about the candidate

at all, i think you just want people to feel bad that they supported hrc.

so petty.

[JuniperLea]

79. Petty and divisive

They are still being divisive, and it's stupid as all hell.

We will need every vote from every Democrat if we want to win the White House. GAME OVER! Time to heal, or we're doomed.

[onenote]

62. as an obama supporter can I just say that the OP's question is stupid and offensive

I know many many HRC supporters and they are not RW conservative assholes. Maybe a modicum of support has come from mischief making cross over voters in a couple of the primaries, but "significant" -- no.

And as far as whether its "right or honest" to accept this support, what sort of question is that? I don't like that sometimes voters vote to cause mischief, but its a fact of life and there isn't a damn thing that can be done about it. I'm sure that there have been voters who have crossed over to vote for Obama because they hate Hillary. Maybe not as many, but the point is that unless you want to make exit polls decisive in resolving elections, your point is, well, pointless.

[indimuse]

73. How does it feel YOUR BO...wanted it like that!

http://www.videospider.tv/Videos/Detail/3662885736.aspx

[JuniperLea]

78. I knew I smelled a rat in this mess...

What is the game here? Do they think they have major goods on Obama now? So major they think McCain will be a shoe in?

Bastards always have another card up their sleeves.

[Swamp Rat]

80. Leave us rats outta this.

O8)

[JuniperLea]

82. DOH!

Never YOU, swampy! LOL! You don't smell! LOL!!

I'll have to start saying there's a fungus amongus.

:hug:

[Swamp Rat]

84. Yeah! Blame the mushrooms!

:D :hug:

[highplainsdem]

89. MSNBC said this afternoon that their exit polls showed equal crossover votes

for Clinton and Obama in Indiana.