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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:14 PM
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Is running up her campaign debt part of the Clinton 2012 strategy?
Edited on Wed May-07-08 03:50 PM by Skwmom
Clinton is millions in debt, including 11 million + that she has LOANED to her campaign (and she's said she will CONTINUE to loan her campaign money). Plus, who knows how many other debts are outstanding. Now there's (a rumor, though it does seem very plausible) of her demanding that Obama pay off her debt. So by staying in she will run up her debt draining even more money from the general election fight with McCain. (Even if he doesn't pay off her debt it would still reduce the pool of overall money for the general election b/c most donors don't have unlimited resources and can only donate so much. And I'm sure a lot of congressional Democrats could use these donations for their own races). I can't help but wonder if this is part of her 2012 strategy to weaken Obama for the general election.

Furthermore, I read she will drop out on June 15th. Why would she wait until then UNLESS they plan to try to take it to the convention (thus the need to build up their delegate count). Staying into June 15th makes no sense.

Forget the "she needs to stay in to raise funds to pay off her campaign debt" b/c by staying in she continues to spend money and that was one of the excuses used after the first loan.

It's amazing how she appeals to the working class to donate to her campaign after saying that the "elites" didn't understand how much $20 means to a working class American. Yet in these hard times, she has no problem asking them to continue to fund her self-serving campaign.

Per dailykos:

Paying off her debts? VP?
by kos
Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:45:08 AM PDT

So Clinton vows to stay in through the end, and surrogates like James Carville are talking tough. But the feeling is that it's all posturing as the Clinton Camp negotiates for 1) having Obama pay off her campaign debt, and/or 2) a spot on the ticket as VP.

http://www.dailykos.com/
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:15 PM
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No
but it's always fun to invent things to pretend to be outraged about.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:16 PM
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3. Then why is she running up her debt when she doesn't have the resources to pay for it?
Unless the Clintons agree to donate the money to their campaign?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:46 PM
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8. then come up with a REALISTIC reason for her fucked up behavior
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:15 PM
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1. demanding that Obama pay off her debt?
more info please?
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:20 PM
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4. Here's a link.
http://www.dailykos.com/. Scroll down. Paying off her debts? VP?

They are talking about it on other sites also. I changed my wording to show that I don't think there's an actual confirmation of the demand but it makes sense to me.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:16 PM
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2. If HRC doesn't have enough "TEAM SPIRIT" to put either the American People or HER Party First ...
What does that suggest about "her leadership" (or lack thereof) if she should SOMEHOW, SOMEWAY become President? :scared: :nuke:
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:23 PM
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5. I remember reading the post about her draining campaign funds from Gore when he
ran in 2000. I believe it was discussed in some book.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:27 PM
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6. So now, after your edit, you are pissed about a rumor that might be plausible?
I guess your original "Now she's demanding" was such an obvious sack of shit lie that even you couldn't stand the stench of it.

You fail to see the obvious, this is Bill's payback for all the years of her turning a blind eye to his wanderings.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:43 PM
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7. Oh please. I've been reading about Obama paying off her debt on more than one blog and please
explain HOW ELSE she plans to pay off the debt? She LOANED the money to her campaign she did not GIVE it to her campaign.

I edited it b/c after searching for an easy link I thought in all FAIRNESS I should change the wording. Hmmm... maybe the Clintons should think about that. Of forget it, that would NEVER happen.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:48 PM
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9. Read it in more than one blog? Then it must be true or that would just make you gullible.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:52 PM
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11. People post about TALKING HEADS on CNN, MSNBC, etc so what is the difference?
Furthermore, it's not like Clinton's own surrogates haven't come out and discussed RUMORS (e.g., superdelegates are nervous about Obama, etc.)

Again, how does she plan to pay off the debt and do you think it makes much sense to CONTINUE to run up your debt when you have no chance of winning?

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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 04:05 PM
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12. The Clinton's have made out like bandits on the money train since Bill was in office. Let's see,
over 108 million dollars. They have enough money money to pay off their own damn debts, believe me. All Bill has to do is go out and do a few more speeches. And don't forget that they are connected to very wealthy people like Murdock and Scaife.
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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:52 PM
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10. What happens to the money she raised for the general election?
AFAIK a big chunk of the money she raised are for the general election. Since she won't take part in that, I was wondering what happens to this oney and can she use it to pay off her debt? Anyone knows the answer?
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 04:20 PM
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13. Rumors, Schrumers (oops...). But seriousy...what kind of Dem buys their way to success?
$11.4 million is a LOT of money to put into your personal campaign. She has now loaned herself Barack Obama's entire net worth several times over. He is spending good money that could be used for the GE running against a candidate who is tapping a large private fortune to stay in the race.

As I said on another thread, if I could write a check for $11 million I could probably pull votes too, and weaken whoever I was running against. And if she wins, the GOP will spend the whole campaign saying 'Democrats let Hillary Clinton buy the nomination - they're the party of corruption.' McCain will make huge play out of his public financing stance even though it was a choice made out of necessity rather than desire.
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