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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:59 PM
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Hillary supporters demand civility as they retool gutter campaign for WV and KY
Obama supporters: Do not drop your guard.

"On the Hillary conference call, Hillary chief strategist Geoff Garin made the case for her electability in some of the most explicitly race-based terms I've heard yet.
In other words, it's an explicit, and unabashed, linking of her claim of electability to her success among whites."

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/hillary_chief_strategist_north.php



Hillary
YES on the Iraq War Resolution.
YES on Kyle/Lieberman bill that sets the stage for the US to take illegal military action against Iran (fool me once).
NO on Amendment No. 4882 that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.
YES on Bankruptcy bill which stripped protections for people in debt.
Hillary refused to sign the AFC Anti-Torture Pledge

McCain
YES on the Iraq War Resolution.
YES on Kyle/Lieberman bill that sets the stage for the US to take illegal military action against Iran.
NO on Amendment No. 4882 that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.
YES on Bankruptcy bill which stripped protections for people in debt.
McCain refused to sign the AFC Anti-Torture Pledge





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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:01 PM
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1. I don't think we need to be at DEFCON 1 over this. Let's try to work on a détente.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:03 PM
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2. Aparently it will continue
it will have no effect at this point other than to harden peoples positions. In the end Obama will still win.

Sad that part of this historic year has to come by way of the total destruction of a once upstanding dem and her ex president husband.

She could heal this rift so easily.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:22 PM
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9. Unfortunately, that means we need to continue returning fire. n/t
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:08 PM
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3. Obama's race based campaig required 80+ AA vote -and now it's Hillary's white voters that are prob?
Edited on Wed May-07-08 02:08 PM by papau
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:09 PM
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4. I assume you missed the Clintons' lovely little conference call today?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:09 PM
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6. It's only acceptable to discuss race
when the discussion involves how African Americans won't vote for Clinton. Any other discussion of the demographics involved is racist.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:22 PM
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10. The Clinton's tactics pushed AAs to Obama
As you know, the Clinton name is, was, revered in the AA community. From the beginning, Obama never wanted to be viewed as an ethnic niche candidate, always emphasizing our universality. Hillary and Bill's cynical exploitation of racial bigotry is well documented. Presuming West Virginians and Kentuckians are racist is an affront to all of us but that's their plan.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:09 PM
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5. So now she's horsetrading in White People?
Thats pretty close to Pimping...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:11 PM
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7. They'll get as much
fucking civility as they give out.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:29 PM
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12. Of course it isn't everyone on either side - but I am with you - I just ignore the worst
:thumbsup:
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:20 PM
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8. Obama will be the nominee. Civility must be restored, regardless of what else happens.
I believe Clinton will run a very different campaign than she has.

But even if she doesn't, SHE CANNOT WIN. Concern now should be for November, and not some pissing contest. We will need all voters - Obama AND Clinton supporters, to take on McCain and his media army.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:23 PM
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11. TAI-CHI.
Start Bashing McCain.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:31 PM
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13. Oh don't worry. Most of you won't let down your guard....
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:32 PM
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14. this is a gutter post
which cancels out all of the faux concern from the poster about negativity from the Clinton campaign
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:44 PM
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15. Not a gutter POST, but a gutter CLINTON STRATEGY. Did you go to the link? Here's
what it says about HRC's EXPLICIT STRATEGY to blow the "racial dog whistle" ) for example, "Elitist" = 'Uppity") to court downscale "ethnic white backlash" demographics. Her strategy is to split the Democratic Party by race as best she can, and then convince superdelegates that Obama cannot win, because the white Democrats she's greenlighted to be racist won't vote for a Black candidate!

From http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/hillary_chief_strategist_north.php

'Hillary Chief Strategist: North Carolina Loss Represented Progress Because We Won Among White Voters

By Greg Sargent - May 7, 2008, 11:15AM

On the Hillary conference call, Hillary chief strategist Geoff Garin made the case for her electability in some of the most explicitly race-based terms I've heard yet.

Garin argued that the North Carolina contest, which Obama won by 14 points, represented "progress" for Hillary because she did better among white voters there than she did in Virginia. "When we began in North Carolina," Garin said, "our internal polling and much of the public polling we were running exactly even with white voters." Garin said that the Virginia electorate was the "closest white electorate in the country" to North Carolina, and added that Hillary "started even" among whites in North Carolina, and "ended up earning a significant win of 24 points." ...

Put in the context of the Hillary campaign's chief argument that she's the more electable Dem, Garin's overall implication here is that her success among white voters in North Carolina yesterday is "progress" in the sense that it strengthens her case for electability.

In other words, it's an explicit, and unabashed, linking of her claim of electability to her success among whites.'
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:46 PM
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16. 487 posts and you are starting crap? really? who do you work for.. Obama or Move-on?
Edited on Wed May-07-08 03:47 PM by Texas Hill Country
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