Not White? You Don't Matter To Clinton...

[BlooInBloo]

They're making progress!!!

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/hillary_chief_strategist_north.php

Hillary Chief Strategist: North Carolina Loss Represented Progress Because We Won Among White Voters

On the Hillary conference call, Hillary chief strategist Geoff Garin made the case for her electability in some of the most explicitly race-based terms I've heard yet.

Garin argued that the North Carolina contest, which Obama won by 14 points, represented "progress" for Hillary because she did better among white voters there than she did in Virginia.

"When we began in North Carolina," Garin said, "our internal polling and much of the public polling we were running exactly even with white voters."
...
In other words, it's an explicit, and unabashed, linking of her claim of electability to her success among whites.

http://www.eschatonblog.com/2008_05_04_archive.html#8375348015322310554

What the Clinton campaign is doing is saying that Obama has electability problems, and using their support from white voters as evidence of that. That's a wee bit problematic, and not just because it doesn't follow logically any more than the other electability arguments such as Obama can't win the election because he can't win the primary in big states.

[anonymous171]

1. Meanwhile, Obama won among voters.

[Debi]

3. Oh noes, they don't count either????

:banghead:

[2rth2pwr]

2. Well, when black voters are voting 92% or more as a bloc for Obama

you tend to concede that vote.

[Texas Hill Country]

4. that and the fact that he is continually weak in the white working class block is an issue because

those are the people that do defect to the Republican party.

[samdogmom]

9. Tell me once and for all how it helps this group to vote Republican?

The Republican Party will NEVER help white working class folks!!!!!

At some point, this group has to see the light! They've been fooled so many times in the past 7+ years. Do any of them see the truth?

WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE PEOPLE ONCE AND FOR ALL VOTE THEIR INTERESTS AND NOT THEIR FEARS??????

[PoliticalAmazon]

24. White working-class voters won't vote for another Republican. n/t

[Eric Condon]

56. And if they do defect, well, then, they're Republicans.

If someone is so stupid that they'd vote for McCrazed knowing all that we know, then I'm not sure one Dem over the other is going to convince them not to.

[ShortnFiery]

35. Oh stop! Dems don't win many Working Class whites. Besides, Bubba is responsible for losing

the Black vote for his wife. What is it Bubba said in SC? :crazy:

[Texas Hill Country]

44. that is a bullshit meme, and we shall see what happens...

[EffieBlack]

7. Or you can try harder to earn their votes

Just like Obama is expected to earn the votes of whites.

Of course, maybe it's the failure of the Clinton campaign to do anything to try to earn the black vote that is the reason it's getting only 6% of that demographic - a demographic that is clearly quite comfortable with voting in large numbers for white candidates in general and Clintons in particular if given a good reason to do so.

[BlooInBloo]

8. Or just try AT ALL.

[madmom]

11. Serious question here.. Why were the Clintons so popular with black voters before Obama?

[roseBudd]

27. Bill's got soul, seriously African Americans can tell. I can tell watching Bill Maher which RW guest

are faking it.

That being said they are currently according to several articles pissed at Bill & Hillary for their current underhanded conduct towards Obama

[ShortnFiery]

37. And AA will REMAIN "pissed at both Clintons" what they did showed "their true colors" - racist

when it suits them. Hell, I'd bet they'd sell their souls for the Presidency? Maybe they have. :scared:

[EffieBlack]

43. I think it's because they showed a genuine interest in our community, reached out to us consistently

and rose above the race-baiting games that so many other politicians (especially Southern) engaged in. And they showed real appreciation for our staunch support, both in his election campaigns and during the scandals through with African Americans helped see them.

[Beacool]

28. Yep, but no siree, it's not about race.

And if it is, it's all Hillary's fault. Don't you know it? She's a racist, her husband is a racist, her supporters are racists, bla, bla, bla.

I guess then that Obama won't need all of us racists in November. Good to know!!

:eyes:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. Or an egghead.

It's only stupid white people for Hillary.

[IronLionZion]

6. Or to many DUers

I've come across many liberal Democrats in this community who remind me of the white guy in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_szQz7RjoU

[OHdem10]

10. Please do make race an issue. Democrats must receive

40+% of this group votes. Middle working class.

[dogday]

12. Your candidate will need those white votes come November

be nice to them...

[BlooInBloo]

13. Bigots won't vote for Obama no matter what. The Whites Only strategy is only for Clinton.

[dogday]

16. That's bullshit, just cause Democrats pick their candidate, and

their candidate does not win, that does not mean they won't vote Democratic..


What will Obama supporters do if Hillary wins? will they vote for her, cause I have seen enough statements that say they will not.. Are they bigots too???

[EFerrari]

14. I don't think that being nice to bigots is a good long term plan. n/t

[dogday]

18. If they are Democrats, we need everyone... I still say people

have a right to choose who they support without these labels that everyone wants to apply and I believe Democrats will vote Democratic in November.. Otherwise Obama won't win it....

[EFerrari]

21. Applying the term bigot to people who say they will not vote for a black man

is self evident. No one seems to want to apply that label, just as most people don't want to believe there are still people like that in this country.

[dogday]

22. Not really, there are reasons some don't vote for Obama and it

has nothing to do with the color of his skin.. You know this, why do you want to further divide this party by labeling fellowing Democrats Pat???

[EFerrari]

25. You're asking the wrong party.

The Clintons have run on Obama's "unelectibility" for weeks now. Not on his policy positions, not on his record, not even on his personal conduct. They've been called out in our press and even in the foreign press, to our shame, for this tactic.

They all but said out loud and on mic, that a black man can't win the GE. Please.

So, if this tactic upsets you, please direct your upset to the source, not to those of us who are objecting to it in every way we can.

[dogday]

26. I am not upset because neither is my Candidate, I have my eye

on the bigger picture, the GE... I want all of us to come together and vote for the Democrat and get him or her in office.. If that offends you Pat, then you need to find another way to deal with the bigger picture... The GE is the end game and we need to win it....

I object to this constant labeling of other Democrats, we need them all of them... Labeling everyone, not just the Clinton's is a bad move and will bite us in the ass come the GE.....

[EFerrari]

29. Again, you are addressing the wrong party.

The bigger picture is that we will elect a Democrat in November. The Republicans haven't been this weak or in so much confusion since Reagan.

And if you object to the labeling of bigots as bigots, that's sort of your problem.

ETA: What is happening within this party is ugly and unfortunate, on that we agree. It will not help us in the longer term. But those of us calling out this racist bullshit are not the originators of the problem.

[dogday]

30. I object to the word being thrown around when it suits one purpose..

I am a native Indian and I don't see bigots, I see potential Democratic voters and so should you.. The party is the party of choice and nobody should be labeled for their pick...

I am not a finger pointer, and that is your problem...

On edit: I have always admired you and respected you as a poster on this board... I hope you understand that....

[EffieBlack]

41. One person's bigot is another person's base voter.

I get it.

I prefer our party not cater to bigots - whose views, goals and agendas are in many respects in direct conflict, not only with those of the party's strongest and most loyal supporters, but with our party's fundamental philosophy. Instead of prostituting ourselves chasing around after everybody and anybody we think will pull the lever for our side, our party should reach out to and attract those whose principles are consistent with ours. They're out there and there are more than enough of them to outpoll the folks on the other side if we just make the effort to bring them in.

[dogday]

46. Good luck with that... And I mean that sincerely....

I want a win in November, I guess I am not concerned in slapping a label on each and every Democrat.. I don't even know who the bigots are... Are they Clinton supporters? Edwards supports or what?

I can't afford four more years of the same when I have a Son who has been to Iraq and was injured, and may have to go again..

I will take any Democratic vote I can get.. That is what is needed whether folks like it or not...

[roseBudd]

47. The bigot base is owned by the GOP, they are low information, easily manipulated and they will end

up voting for McSame in the GE just like they voted for GWB twice.

[dogday]

50. Who are these bigots, I ask?

clinton supporters? edwards supporters? Where are they and how do I identify them?

[roseBudd]

54. They are the so called Reagan democrats who voted for Reagan & Reagan, 3 Bush terms & probably Perot

They are the subject of What's the Matter with Kansas

[Eric Condon]

57. And as others have pointed out,

when someone hasn't voted for a Dem since 1976, they're not really "Reagan Democrats" anymore - they're called Republicans.

[roseBudd]

59. And they have bought "tax & spend democrats". "frivoluus lawsuit" "gay agenda"

[grasswire]

51. that's just nuts and I urge you to stop it.

That is using Obama's blackness as a shield -- and if that isn't racist I don't know what is.

Nothing will drive centrists away from Obama faster than labeling them bigots. Policy differences are not racist.

[sudopod]

15. Hillary Clinton doesn't care about black people. :3 nt

[BlooInBloo]

19. It's good for Obama to see the Whites Only strategy now, in the scrimmage...

So he'll be sharp for the real game.

Clinton's Whites Only strategy, only just now being admitted, is also something her hispanic supporters might wish to take note of.

[billyoc]

17. Can I not matter even if I'm white, plzkthx.

:rofl:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. Well, when Obama starts singin' Dixie, puts on a stylish white sheet...

gets a 'Fedrut flag sticker for his pickup, and shuffles, maybe those "Democrats" will vote for him.

[IsItJustMe]

23. Pretty damn nasty, Isn't it? The msm is doing it too.

[AspenRose]

31. Excellent blog

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/hillary-clinton-has-a-palmore.php

"Hillary Clinton's campaign has a serious race problem -- specifically, a Palmore v. Sidoti problem, that is coming to infect the way we look at race in the Democratic Party. This piece explains the danger, and what we should do about it.

Palmore is the 1982 Supreme Court case in which two white parents separated, and the white mother began cohabiting with a black man. Florida took primary custody from her because a social worker opined that being a child in an interracial household could injure the child, because of societal prejudices. The U.S. Supreme Court reversed, because, it held, it violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution to give effect to the racial prejudices of persons outside the family. By giving effect to the racial prejudices of certain whites, the Clinton campaign has a Palmore v. Sidoti problem. Decent people should recoil from it."

[roseBudd]

55. I know it disgusts me, in a post Macaca world the democratic party should be concerned

[dsc]

32. that isn't what she meant and Tapper damn well knows it

She meant that she had gained, which incidently, she did (she was down 20 and lost by 15). The improvement was in white voters, which shouldn't exactly be shocking (we have virtually no Hispanic or Asian voters here).

[BlooInBloo]

38. As AmericaBlog notes, the Whites Only Clinton Campaign is in full swing!

WOOT!


EDIT: Phew - was so caught up in white unity, that I forgot the linky - heh - http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/clinton-disses-black-voters-three-times.html

[roseBudd]

48. That is beyond the pale

[TahitiNut]

33. "Racism-By-Proxy" (Funny how some just don't seem to "get it." Or want to.)

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TahitiNut/500

[BlooInBloo]

36. They get it fine. It's their cover, in good-cop-bad-cop fashion.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

40. It would cause them to look into that all-too-revealing mirror.

It's ever so much easier just to keep talking about "blue-collar workers", "the white working class", which are echoes of "the silent majority", "hard-hats", with new packaging that says "some of my best friends are...but the middle class will never vote for them."

[TahitiNut]

42. Yup. I find it tragic that folks focus on whether OTHERS regard them as racist.

It betrays a codependent society in which, even in parenting, we emphasize how others see us ... instead of how we see ourselves, if we're actually honest with ourselves. We constantly hear the sneers and derision in response to "self-esteem" ... and see how folks substitute ego and braggadocio for self-esteem and introspection. When I ask folks what's meant by "Virtue is its own reward," it's pathetic how many just don't get it. (Hell, it's pathetic how long it took ME to get it. Better late than never, I guess.)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. Yep.

While avoiding commercials last night, we stumbled on a program called "The Swan" in which some average looking woman is given the whole treatment..plastic surgery on every visible part of the body, teeth whitening, nails, the whole "self-improvement" catalogue. And, then some "psychologist" who will endow them with "self-esteem".

Which, of course, is dependent on having white teeth, a straight nose, and abs.

When the job is done they gasp and squeal with joy at their new-found "self" and prattle how "empowered" they now are.

They never seem to notice that they look almost exactly like all the other plastic figurines churned out by the crew.

I've always believed that most Americans aren't really apathetic. They're just the ultimate conformists dependent on what what others think of them. Thus we get politicians placing them neatly into "voting blocs" and appealing to their need to fit in with the rest of the herd.

"Freedom is the absolute right of all adult men and women to seek permission for their actions only from their own conscience and reason, and to be determined in their actions only by their own will, and consequently to be responsible only to themselves, and then to the society to which they belong, but only insofar as they have made a free decision to belong to it." Mikhail Bakunin

[ShortnFiery]

34. I'd bet big bucks that Bubba's planning a "Dukes of Hazard" rural white people tour - speech-I-fying

in WV from a big a** pick-y up truck. :crazy:

[Danger Mouse]

39. Heh..disgusting.

[NashVegas]

49. And Of Course Everyone on Obama's Staff Is Color and Gender Blind

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. What a relief!!!!!!!!!

I DON'T COUNT!!!!!!!!!

WHOOHOO

[stillcool]

53. I'm white and I don't matter either...

If she ever chooses to run for office again, she will have to pick an all white state, with uneducated, or old voters.

[LizW]

58. Race baiting. n/t